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Dumping Pro-Tools for Linux. Is it feasable?
I have a Digi-01 system and after what I have been reading on the net
about Linux and lot latency, not to mention cost, I am considering moving over to the Linux platform. Has anyone in a professional venue done this or am I going to be a pioneer in this venture? Pitfalls? How do clients react to Linux? tia for any and all advice!! |
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unless you are a professional coder, stay away from linux. it's great
that it keeps Microsoft on its toes. but audio apps are finicky enough without adding more chaos. my advice is to pay the ferryman and get yourself Windows 2000 pro or Windows XP. linux is a never ending open-source project that computer pros add to on their spare time for fun. it's very sprawling and never-ending nature makes it a nightmare for audio app developers to write code to. most pro DAW companies don't bother with it...they have their phone lines flooded with enough tech support as it is. the main idea is for Apple and Linux to keep Microsoft on its toes. then you buy Microsoft anyway, but you are thankful other people are keeping the Darth Vader of software from completely ruling the galaxy. Final Cut Pro and iPod is what keeps Apple running these days. God bless them, because Microsoft needs competition just to keep them honest. so let others over-pay for Apple, and let others geek-out for no reason with linux. a "client" would think you are on mars if you are on linux. the advantage for Linux is with server farms. the stuff works well with servers, and since you don't have to pay a licence on it, it's a boon for a giant server farm that needs 1200 servers cranking along together. 1200 free operating systems is a big cash savings. and the people running the server farms are IT pros that enjoy and get paid for doing software tweaks. but for you, spend the $150 for God's sake and get Windows. |
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Load Sack wrote:
I have a Digi-01 system and after what I have been reading on the net about Linux and lot latency, not to mention cost, I am considering moving over to the Linux platform. Has anyone in a professional venue done this or am I going to be a pioneer in this venture? I don't think you're the first, but not many people have done this. I know I'd hesitate before doing this in a professional environment, and I wouldn't even _think_ about attempting this without a fallback system of some kind. If you're serious about it, set it up, but on a secondary system. If it works, use it. If not, you've still got the main system instead. If it were me, I'd treat the Linux installation as a kind of pet-project until it's ready to make the switch. Take what I say with a grain of salt, as I'm a Linux guy, and don't run a professional studio. Pitfalls? No VST plugins. There is a method of running Win32-x86 plugins inside Linux, but AFAIK it's still at the witchcraft-and-incantations stage, without a pretty interface to string it all together. Personally I think that plugins are of the Devil anyway, and that rack-mounted effects are the way to go ;-) How do clients react to Linux? Do they need to know? ;-) tia for any and all advice!! I'm going to stick with tape for as long as I can. But when I have to migrate, it's not going to be Windows acting as the recorder. -- JP Morris - aka DOUG the Eagle (Dragon) -=UDIC=- Fun things to do with the Ultima games http://www.it-he.org Reign of the Just - An Ultima clone http://rotj.it-he.org d+++ e+ N+ T++ Om U1234!56!7'!S'!8!9!KAW u++ uC+++ uF+++ uG---- uLB---- uA--- nC+ nR---- nH+++ nP++ nI nPT nS nT wM- wC- y a(YEAR - 1976) |
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:19:44 -0700, Load Sack wrote:
I have a Digi-01 system and after what I have been reading on the net about Linux and lot latency, not to mention cost, I am considering moving over to the Linux platform. Has anyone in a professional venue done this or am I going to be a pioneer in this venture? Pitfalls? How do clients react to Linux? tia for any and all advice!! Your Digi-01 box is not supported in Linux, so you'd need a new sound card for a start. I strongly advise trying Fedora Core 4 and the planet CCRMA rpm collection. I set up an Ardour box the other day with FC4 and it took a total of two hours from a blank hard drive to a fully working Linux DAW. Buy a new hard drive for FC4 and try it out with whatever compatible sound card you can find. You won't get decent latencies without a decent sound card, but you will at least get an idea of what software's available. As far as professional use goes, there was a good thread on linux-audio-user mailing list about users recently. Go have a look in the archives. You will probably get more pragmatic and useful replies by posting this question there too. Really, it's hard to say whether the audio software available will be suitable for you without knowing more about your requirements. If your digi system is working fine at the moment I'd think very seriously before committing yourself to changing platform. |
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Load Sack wrote:
I have a Digi-01 system and after what I have been reading on the net about Linux and lot latency, not to mention cost, I am considering moving over to the Linux platform. Has anyone in a professional venue done this or am I going to be a pioneer in this venture? Pitfalls? How do clients react to Linux? tia for any and all advice!! Upgrade to XP, upgrade PTLE to 6.4 (that's as far as you're going to get with a Digi001 anyways) and keep it moving. There's no real reason to go to Linux at this time. I've tried Ardour and Rosegarden and, while they're nice apps, they don't hold a candle to ProTools (Ardour), Logic or Cubase (Rosegarden). |
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In my opinion if you are a professional (ie:you make your living from
audio) it would be financial suicide to move to Linux. I run several Linux clients and a Linux server in my home because I believe Linux is better suited than Windows for that situation. However my studio runs Windows because for that situation Windows is better suited than Linux. The main problem with Linux is that the applications are immature, constantly changing and support is terrible. The people writing these applications tend to look at them from a programmer POV and not a musicians POV which means you will be talking bits and bytes instead of beats and ticks. Your digi will not work with Linux so you need a new board from the start. If you like tinkering with computers, writing your own code then maybe you can write drivers for your board? Join the various Linux mailing lists (there must be 1000's of them) and get to work! |
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on July 16 16:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Charles Karlsson wrote:
In my opinion .. No history Yahoo email account cross posting through Google and an open proxy and talking about his imaginary life as a record producer. Who could it be I wonder? |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:44:30 -0700, Charles Karlsson wrote:
In my opinion if you are a professional (ie:you make your living from audio) it would be financial suicide to move to Linux. I'm sure you do Flatfish. |
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Well put! I know several people using Linux as a back up and storage
facility, but not as a digital workstation for a professional recording studio. The Linux audio programs are just too unstable and featurless, for example VST support, to be used for anything other than experimenting. With a Protools system at least you can pick up a project, carry it to another shop and go to work on it there. With Linux? You'll be lucky if you can keep it running long enough to even get into a project. Linux was designed from the ground up to be a programmers tool, a tinkerers delight and the perfect OS for a person who wants to be able to tweak every aspect of the OS. Why should a layperson give a hoot about having the source code to programs? Most people wouldn't know what to do with it anyway, yet Linux users have orgasms over that stuff. I could care less about GPL and GNU. I pay my money and I get a program that works and comes with full support. Of course Linux users will whine about how unstable Windows is and how stable Linux is which is a complete fallacy. According to them Windows crashes (for them anyway) 10 times a day. What a bunch of malarchy. Linux was never designed for artistic types who look at a computer and operating system as a tool to create. That's one reason why the Mac is big in the arts although Windows is catching up. Who wants to tinker with programs when they have a song in their head just dying to be tracked? Clients will lose faith in your abilities because unfortunately in this business the kind of gear you have does make a difference. First question I get from prospective clients is "what kind of protools system are you running" and yes I know it's stupid and unfair, but that's the way it works. Answering a question like that with "well I don't run Protools, I run Linux" will be the kiss of death for your business. Linux just isn't ready for professional, or in some cases amateur digital audio work. It just isn't. |
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on July 16 16:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Charles Karlsson wrote: In my opinion .. No history Yahoo email account cross posting through Google and an open proxy and talking about his imaginary life as a record producer. Who could it be I wonder? It sure smells fishy It also seems to be real flat Could it be the same poster who appeared lately as Aftab Singh, allison_hunt1969, Anna Banger, anonymous, Archie Watermann, Baba Booey, Babu Singh, bill.gates.loves.me, bison, Bjarne Jensen, BklynBoy, Boyce Mabri, Buster, Charles LeGrand, Charlie, Choppers McGee, Christine Abernathy, Claire Lynn, Collie Entragion, Connie Hines, dbx_boy, Deadpenguin, Elliot Zimmermann, Emmanuel Arias, Fawn Lebowitz, flatfish+++, foamy, Gary Stewart, George Littlefield, Gilbert Hochaim, gilligan, Greg Finnigan, Greg Laplante, Hans Kimm, Heather, Heather69, hepcat, Ishmeal Hafizi, itchy balls, Ivan Mctavish, IvanaB, Jeff Szarka, juke_joint, kaptain kaput, kathy_krantz, Kendra, Les Turner, Lilly, Lindy, Lisa Shavas, long_tong_ling, Lukumi Babalu Aye, Luna Lane, Major Mynor, McSwain, Moses, , nate_mcspook, okto_pussy, Paddy McCrockett, Patricia, Peter Gluckman, Phillip Cornwall, phoung quoak, pickle_pete, Poopy Pants McGee, Quimby, Richie O'Toole, Robert Strunk, rothstein_ivan, Sammy, Sammy Whalen, Saul Goldblatt, Schlomo Smykowski, Sharon Hubbasland, Sean, Sean Fitzhenry, Sean Macpherson, Sewer Rat, sewer_clown, Spammy_Davis, spanny_davis, Stephan Simonsen, Stephen, Stephen Townshend, SuckyB, SunnyB, Susan Wong, Suzie Wong, Swampee, The Beaver, Thorsten, Toby Rastus Roosovelt III, Tori, Tori Wassermann, Tracee, trailerpark, Trina Swallows, Vince Fontain, Vladimir Yepifano, Walter Bubniak, Wang Mycock, Whizzer, Wilbur J, Willy Wong, Winnie Septos,Wobbles and zyklon_C. Plus many, many, many more. -- Like being presumed a thief and a liar before using a product? If so, use M$ XP |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:55:41 -0700, Charles Karlsson wrote:
snip Forget to nymshift before replying to yourself Flatfish? |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:44:30 -0700, Charles Karlsson wrote:
In my opinion if you are a professional (ie:you make your living from audio) it would be financial suicide to move to Linux. I run several Linux clients and a Linux server in my home because I believe Linux is better suited than Windows for that situation. However my studio runs Windows because for that situation Windows is better suited than Linux. Which is fine. If you're happy with that solution. Some are not. The main problem with Linux is that the applications are immature, constantly changing and support is terrible. The people writing these applications tend to look at them from a programmer POV and not a musicians POV which means you will be talking bits and bytes instead of beats and ticks. Maybe. maybe not. There have been a number of articles recently in a couple of the linux mags I buy, talking about Linux and artistic creation, and this includes music creation. Also, Windowsmusic apps did not spring fully developed from the head of Zeus - they developed. Linux apps develop at a tremendous rate sometimes, so your problem may go away sooner than you think, if you have nay interest in using Linux musically. The latest music/media Live CD MediaInLinux 3 (beta) is out now and worth checking out. I downloaded it the other day and it's pretty good, with a large variety of apps: www.mediainlinux.org/ There's the agnula project too: http://agnula.org/ Your digi will not work with Linux so you need a new board from the start. If you like tinkering with computers, writing your own code then maybe you can write drivers for your board? Join the various Linux mailing lists (there must be 1000's of them) and get to work! Surprisingly, that is exactly what a lot of musicians using Linux are doing, rather than moaning about lack of Linux support and tools. It's not for everyone, of course, but if more musicians get involved, it can only be to the good. Just saying 'it's not ready' without attempting to do anything to remedy the situation doesn't help much, IMO. (Fup2COLA) -- Kier |
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That's what I would do because there is nothing wrong with the Digi001
system for what it is. Save up the money you make and spring for one of the larger Protools systems later. Or consider moving off Protools to something like a high end RME card and Samplitude or something similar. Linux would be a complete nightmare for a person who has not used it before and you are right Rosegarden and Ardour are decent, but they simply are not in the same league as Cubase, Protools or Samplitude. And where is the support? When I have a problem and the clock is ticking, I make a phone call and from experience I am back in business real fast. With Linux? I'm forced to depend upon either a programmer who wrote the application, and generally is thinking from the programmers point of view, not a musicians pov or I have to dive into the seamy underbelly of the Linux help groups where I will be called an idiot, stupid, RTFM, Windope and every other foul phrase the Linux users seem to have in their box of Trix. Thanks but no thanks! Linux is not an option! |
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On 15 Jul 2005 22:19:44 -0700, Load Sack wrote:
I have a Digi-01 system and after what I have been reading on the net about Linux and lot latency, not to mention cost, I am considering moving over to the Linux platform. Has anyone in a professional venue done this or am I going to be a pioneer in this venture? Pitfalls? You (and lotta folks) need to adjust your mental model. A computer might just as well be a doorstop UNLESS the software is the right software for the job at hand. If the job requires Pro Tools, you need a computer that will reliably run Pro Tools. OTOH, if they job is firewalling, you need iptables (Linux). Mail, you need sendmail et all (Linux), File serving you need SMB (Linux), web serving Apache (Linux). I use Linux for MANY things. It's even good for NORMAL desktop applications via OpenOffice. But the SOFTWARE (remember, only SW really matters) for professional audio just isn't there yet. |
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on July 16 09:56:53 PDT Liam Slider wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:55:41 -0700, Charles Karlsson wrote: snip Forget to nymshift before replying to yourself Flatfish? This is just so funny ... He must be switching meds or something. Rolling On The Floor Laughing and trying to not burst a rib. |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:55:41 -0700, Charles Karlsson wrote:
Well put! I know several people using Linux as a back up and storage facility, but not as a digital workstation for a professional recording studio. The Linux audio programs are just too unstable and featurless, for example VST support, to be used for anything other than experimenting. With a Protools system at least you can pick up a project, carry it to another shop and go to work on it there. With Linux? You'll be lucky if you can keep it running long enough to even get into a project. Come off it. Linux was designed from the ground up to be a programmers tool, a tinkerers delight and the perfect OS for a person who wants to be able to tweak every aspect of the OS. That's true. But it's perfectly usuable as an ordinary desktop OS, and is making huge strides into that arena. Why should a layperson give a hoot about having the source code to programs? Depends on the layperson? Why do you lump all people together, as if all were equally uninterested, lay person or no? Most people wouldn't know what to do with it anyway, yet Linux users have orgasms over that stuff. I don't recall doing so.What is important is what the source code represents - Freedom. I could care less about GPL and GNU. So, because you could care less, everyone else must feel the same? I think not. I pay my money and I get a program that works and comes with full support. You can do just the same with Linux. Of course Linux users will whine about how unstable Windows is and how stable Linux is which is a complete fallacy. Is it? There are a great many in COLA who can tell you different. Linux is generally much more inclined to stability over long periods than Windows According to them Windows crashes (for them anyway) 10 times a day. According to whom? Everyone? I doubt you'll find that many who agree. What a bunch of malarchy. It doesn't crash much on me, but then I don't use it much, either. XP is pretty stable, and Win2000, but the rest have no great reputation for stability. Linux was never designed for artistic types who look at a computer and operating system as a tool to create. That is a very large and not too accurate generalisation, I'm afraid. It was designed in fact by people who look upon coding as creation that is just a valid as music. That's one reason why the Mac is big in the arts although Windows is catching up. Who wants to tinker with programs when they have a song in their head just dying to be tracked? Any 'tinkering' is done long before hand. Then you just let it run. That's what Linux does, once you set it up right it just runs. Clients will lose faith in your abilities because unfortunately in this business the kind of gear you have does make a difference. First question I get from prospective clients is "what kind of protools system are you running" and yes I know it's stupid and unfair, but that's the way it works. Yeah, we heard all this the last time. Answering a question like that with "well I don't run Protools, I run Linux" will be the kiss of death for your business. Linux just isn't ready for professional, or in some cases amateur digital audio work. It just isn't. You haven't shown any proof of that. Just some opinions, not backed up by much at all. (Fup2COLA) -- Kier |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:02:35 -0700, Charles Karlsson wrote:
snip I'm forced to depend upon either a programmer who wrote the application, and generally is thinking from the programmers point of view, not a musicians pov or I have to dive into the seamy underbelly of the Linux help groups where I will be called an idiot, stupid, RTFM, Windope and every other foul phrase the Linux users seem to have in their box of Trix. If you go into hepl groups with that attitude, is it any wonder you are not well-received? As for foul phrases, maybe you haven't seen what we are called by wintrolls and other malcontents, every day, in our own newsgroup. Thanks but no thanks! Linux is not an option! For you, maybe. For others, it can be. -- Kier |
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Load Sack wrote:
I have a Digi-01 system and after what I have been reading on the net about Linux and lot latency, not to mention cost, I am considering moving over to the Linux platform. PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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My studio uses Linux in the C room and I haven't had any troubles.
I'm using modified versions of the Agnula distribtution and it seems to work great with the Delta 1010 board I have. I would say Linux is better than Sonar, cheaper than Protools and not as good as Cubase but that is just my opinion. Don't get discouraged by people who are afraid of the unknown and prefer to be locked into proprietory systems. Steer clear of the Linux usenet groups because they are mostly inhabited with zealots and freaks that will never give you an honest answer about Linux and the problems you might encounter. They play this game where they will deny tooth and nail any problem you might ask about and in the end you will end up wondering why you even bothered to ask a question. Instead join a mailing list where the serious people hang out. The alsa list is a good start. Good luck and don't give up! It can be done and Linux ROKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Load Sack wrote: I have a Digi-01 system and after what I have been reading on the net about Linux and lot latency, not to mention cost, I am considering moving over to the Linux platform. Has anyone in a professional venue done this or am I going to be a pioneer in this venture? Pitfalls? How do clients react to Linux? tia for any and all advice!! |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:43:18 -0700, Suzie Linux wrote:
snip And here we see the other side of Flatfish....fanning the flames with s/h/it's fin. |
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Did you absolutely have to cross post this to
comp.os.linux.advocacy? Here we go again. Heavy sigh. Bob Charles Karlsson wrote: Well put! I know several people using Linux as a back up and storage facility, but not as a digital workstation for a professional recording studio. ... -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Troll Alert!
Charles Karlsson wrote: In my opinion if you are a professional (ie:you make your living from audio) it would be financial suicide to move to Linux. I run several Linux clients and a Linux server in my home because I believe Linux is better suited than Windows for that situation. However my studio runs Windows because for that situation Windows is better suited than Linux. The main problem with Linux is that the applications are immature, constantly changing and support is terrible. The people writing these applications tend to look at them from a programmer POV and not a musicians POV which means you will be talking bits and bytes instead of beats and ticks. Your digi will not work with Linux so you need a new board from the start. If you like tinkering with computers, writing your own code then maybe you can write drivers for your board? Join the various Linux mailing lists (there must be 1000's of them) and get to work! -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Ardour and Rosegarden are better than Cubase SX3 which tends to crash
all the time. Tell me how can you advocate using an application like Cubase when it is so unstable? Why are you throwing money away on Windows XP and overpriced programs when you can get better programs for Linux and Open Source and the programs are free? Only an idiot with a lot of money to waste runs Windows or worse yet the Mac which has to be the moet over priced computer on the market. Linux is free. Linux works great! Long live Open Source! Stephen Tisi |
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Ardour and Rosegarden are better than Cubase SX3 which tends to crash
all the time. Tell me how can you advocate using an application like Cubase when it is so unstable? Why are you throwing money away on Windows XP and overpriced programs when you can get better programs for Linux and Open Source and the programs are free? Only an idiot with a lot of money to waste runs Windows or worse yet the Mac which has to be the moet over priced computer on the market. Linux is free. Linux works great! Long live Open Source! Stephen Tisi |
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There is nothing wrong with the Linux help groups and they are
certainly much better than the Windows groups I have seen which are overloaded with kiddies. Linux does indeed rock, but acting like a zealot only hurts the cause of the Linux mission. We are like soldiers in a foreign country. We have to treat the enemy with respect and always be positive about our cause. Dissing our fellow Linux users is just playing into the hands of the Windroids. Think about it. Stephen Tisi |
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on July 16 21:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Stephen Tisi wrote:
msg: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.22.155.237 There is nothing wr .. What ever happened to Charles Karlsson flatfish? |
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Charles Karlsson wrote:
W Blah...blah...blah. Yet Another flamebait troll crossposted to cola and csma from rec.audio.pro, one of flatfish's favorite swimming holes. Ooh, and look at that, they even set f-ups back to rec.audio.pro! How considerate! Just say no to trolls. -- rapskat - 00:07:17 up 5:08, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.28, 0.58 We're upping our productivity with Linux - so up yours! |
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Charles Karlsson wrote: In my opinion if you are a professional (ie:you make your living from audio) it would be financial suicide to move to Linux. I run several Linux clients and a Linux server in my home because I believe Linux is better suited than Windows for that situation. Yes, Linux is very well suited to many situations. However my studio runs Windows because for that situation Windows is better suited than Linux. Have you looked at any of these? http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/linux/ The main problem with Linux is that the applications are immature, constantly changing and support is terrible. Are you comparing Linux FreeWare bundled with a freely downloadable distribution of Linux to commercial software purchased for Windows? You see, the problem with this comparison is that there are several commercial packages that were written for UNIX and have recently been ported to Linux. http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ This is a Linux package. You may also find that you can break down the big monolithic package you got for Windows and have each of the components competing in their niche. What do you want? A music editor system? A Midi Synthisizer controller? A Midi sequencer? A mulitrack recording system? A multitrack editor? Effects generators? Conversion to MP3? This reminds me of the days when WinTrolls were claiming that Excel was better than any spreadsheet for Linux. For a modest fee, you could purchase Applix, which had "live-cells" which made it possible to recalculate the spreadsheet and revise charts each time any of the cells was altered - all in real time. Live cells could be fed with statistics ranging from network statistics to stock tickers. At the time, most of the stock tickers similar to those offered by Ameritrade were not yet available, they weren't even feasable for Windows 3.0 or Windows 9x. It was even a challenge for Windows NT. Of course, if you really wanted complex triggering and charting, you could take an SNMP management system such as Tivoli, OpenView, or Solstace and monitor thousands of stocks in real time. Keep in mind that many of the really big studios actually DO create custom equipment based on the needs of their particular organization, artist and sound requirements. What you want is freeze-dried instant microwavable success. You want to be able to pull down free software have it all work perfectly, and then cut a platinum record with a band who hasn't even rehearsed together. If you were a real record producer, paying real money to real professional musicians and recording engineers, you would certainly not want to leave yourself at the risk of some software that could be down for several hours while you are paying a crew and band $600/hour. Your statement above - claiming that Windows has the best recording studio software available is suspicious. It's a bit like claiming that Windows has the best video editing and graphics animation software even though nearly all of the major studios use Linux and SGI software (OpenGL based) for their studios. They also use lots of UNIX as well. Windows isn't normally even a factor anymore. You would probably be better off using an X-box than Windows. The people writing these applications tend to look at them from a programmer POV and not a musicians POV which means you will be talking bits and bytes instead of beats and ticks. This is certainly true of the "freebie" software that is bundled with Debian and other "OSS Only" distributions. This doesn't mean that there isn't commercial software available - but you might need a very big wallet. Top of the line studio software can cost thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars. This is why many studios don't even blink at the cost of a couple of Sun or SGI workstations and servers. |
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To dump pro-tools would be a mistake. It's a fantastic Hardware/Software
solution. Pro-tools is better in an OSX environment than Windows. I know, I've used it in both. Linux has some great tools for amateur recording, knocking up a demo or recording for a small indie label. In the niche of home recording on a budget, Linux rocks! The quality factor is mainly in the realm of soft synths and effects although if you are using outboard equipment that problem disappears and that copy of Ardour you've been waiting to play with looks all the more attractive. It's only when you get to the level of perfection major labels require in sound quality and mastering, OSX and Pro-tools are the only real choice. -- Jafar Calley Producer - http://moonlife-records.com -------------------------------------- See the latest Mars and Saturn images http://fatcat.homelinux.org |
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"jafar" wrote:
Pro-tools is better in an OSX environment than Windows. In what way(s)? I know, I've used it in both. Me too. In fact, I go back and forth between the two every day. Seems essentially identical to me, but maybe I've missed something. What is it that's better about Pro Tools in OSX? -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:55:04 +0000, Lorin David Schultz wrote:
I know, I've used it in both. Me too. In fact, I go back and forth between the two every day. Seems essentially identical to me, but maybe I've missed something. What is it that's better about Pro Tools in OSX? Maybe it's just personal choice. It just seems .. more comfortable? Snappier? I've had lockups on windows protools systems but maybe thats just the particular person's OS installation rather than protools's fault. I guess making sure the protools system is isolated from the net helps too. Windows can be prone to viruses and malware coming up and biting you when you least expect it. Maybe next time it happens I should offer my services to the client as a computer engineer to clean and reinstall their systems for them. At extra cost of course Dreaming of Protools linux running on a custom low latency kernel... sigh... -- Jafar Calley Producer - http://moonlife-records.com -------------------------------------- See the latest Mars and Saturn images http://fatcat.homelinux.org |
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begin virus.txt.scr Jorg van Beem wrote:
Hello. I'm a dutchman and i'm looking for protools for windows xp. for privite us. Can somebody give me an idee You are in the wrong group here Windows groups with piarted software are over there --- You will find most windows users of this group also at those places -- Who the **** is General Failure, and why is he reading my harddisk? |
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Peter ?B?S8O2aGxtYW5u?= wrote: begin virus.txt.scr Jorg van Beem wrote: Hello. I'm a dutchman and i'm looking for protools for windows xp. for privite us. Can somebody give me an idee You are in the wrong group here Windows groups with piarted software are over there --- You will find most windows users of this group also at those places Given that Pro Tools Free is available for, well, free... why would anyone want to bootleg any other version? Given that he wants a copy for XP, why ask on Linux and Mac groups? I think this is a troll. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Given that Pro Tools Free is available for, well, free... why would anyone want to bootleg any other version? well, it IS free but: " Pro Tools FREE for Windows 98 SE & Windows Me (will not run on Windows XP, 2000, or NT) " so, the reason is simple... ;-) could also be, that he wants more than only 8 audio tracks. besides that, I´ve tried PTfree some years ago. Horrible latency etc. IMHO there are multitrack programs for XP with much better performance. Given that he wants a copy for XP, why ask on Linux and Mac groups? maybe he just didn´t notice that there was cross-post? Phil |
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"jafar" wrote:
Maybe it's just personal choice. It just seems .. more comfortable? Snappier? I've had lockups on windows protools systems but maybe thats just the particular person's OS installation rather than protools's fault. My XP laptop has never crashed with a Pro Tools Mbox setup. Our G4 tower locks up a couple times per week. Neither OS is perfect and neither is immune to cockups. My workday is proof that an XP machine can be a perfect Pro Tools environment, and that a Mac can screw up royally when there's no Macxpert around to tweak it up. I guess making sure the protools system is isolated from the net helps too. Windows can be prone to viruses and malware coming up and biting you when you least expect it. I have two Pro Tools machines running XP (one of them being the laptop mentioned above) that are on a wireless network connected to the net, and neither has any problems. I just don't play "free" online games or use P2P networks or install "helpful" toolbars or do any of the many other things that invite ****heads into my machine. Viruses and malware don't just magically appear all on their own; someone has to let them in. Using Pro Tools with Windows isn't a problem. Allowing one's machine to become unstable is, whether that machine runs OSX or XP. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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Lorin David Schultz wrote:
"jafar" wrote: Maybe it's just personal choice. It just seems .. more comfortable? Snappier? I've had lockups on windows protools systems but maybe thats just the particular person's OS installation rather than protools's fault. My XP laptop has never crashed with a Pro Tools Mbox setup. Our G4 tower locks up a couple times per week. Sounds like a faulty memory strip. Our G4 has never locked up in a year and a half of use. I've had XP Home mysteriously reboot on a new laptop. I suspect that the memory was faulty as well, which allowed me to take it back for a refund. To prevent this from happening, the best way is to buy a machine with ECC memory that prevents this from happening. Neither OS is perfect and neither is immune to cockups. My workday is proof that an XP machine can be a perfect Pro Tools environment, and that a Mac can screw up royally when there's no Macxpert around to tweak it up. I guess making sure the protools system is isolated from the net helps too. Windows can be prone to viruses and malware coming up and biting you when you least expect it. I have two Pro Tools machines running XP (one of them being the laptop mentioned above) that are on a wireless network connected to the net, and neither has any problems. I just don't play "free" online games or use P2P networks or install "helpful" toolbars or do any of the many other things that invite ****heads into my machine. Viruses and malware don't just magically appear all on their own; someone has to let them in. With windows it is a problem and is easier to happen than other os/es. |
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