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Will SACD die?
Will SACD die?
OK, 1st off i'm *not* trying to start a war! anyhow, i just got my 1st HD player (a 3rd gen Toshiba A35), and the HD sound isn't bad (based so far only the included 300 movie disk) given that there are probably already many more HD players out there than there are SACD players, will that cause hi-end audio multichannel sound to switch away from SACD? all ears.  bill |
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Will SACD die?
"willbill" wrote in message
Will SACD die? OK, 1st off i'm *not* trying to start a war! anyhow, i just got my 1st HD player (a 3rd gen Toshiba A35), and the HD sound isn't bad (based so far only the included 300 movie disk) given that there are probably already many more HD players out there than there are SACD players, will that cause hi-end audio multichannel sound to switch away from SACD? I think that DVD-A formats may turn up as compatibilty formats for HD and/or Blu Ray players. It would just be a matter of relatively simple decoding in signal processing units that are already pretty complicated. SACD could get pretty dead pretty fast because it requires special laser pickup assemblies because the initial content protection security is implemented there. |
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Will SACD die?
Arny Krueger wrote:
"willbill" wrote in message Will SACD die? OK, 1st off i'm *not* trying to start a war! anyhow, i just got my 1st HD player (a 3rd gen Toshiba A35), and the HD sound isn't bad (based so far only the included 300 movie disk) given that there are probably already many more HD players out there than there are SACD players, will that cause hi-end audio multichannel sound to switch away from SACD? I think that DVD-A formats may turn up as compatibilty formats for HD and/or Blu Ray players. It would just be a matter of relatively simple decoding in signal processing units that are already pretty complicated. SACD could get pretty dead pretty fast because it requires special laser pickup assemblies because the initial content protection security is implemented there. assuming you already have either a Blu-ray player or a HD-DVD player, one other question: is the HD multichannel sound on those disks (either Dolby TrueHD, or DTS high def, or "lossless" 5.1 PCM) comparable to SACD? bill |
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Will SACD die?
On 13 Dec 2007 00:32:19 GMT, willbill wrote:
assuming you already have either a Blu-ray player or a HD-DVD player, one other question: is the HD multichannel sound on those disks (either Dolby TrueHD, or DTS high def, or "lossless" 5.1 PCM) comparable to SACD? Yeah but what are the odds that there will be pure music audio discs of any consequence on those media? |
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Will SACD die?
Kalman Rubinson wrote:
On 13 Dec 2007 00:32:19 GMT, willbill wrote: assuming you already have either a Blu-ray player or a HD-DVD player, one other question: is the HD multichannel sound on those disks (either Dolby TrueHD, or DTS high def, or "lossless" 5.1 PCM) comparable to SACD? Yeah but what are the odds that there will be pure music audio discs of any consequence on those media? *IF* the music industry is at all interested in selling multichannel music, it would be insane of them NOT to move to these formats, since in a relatively few years, everyone will have DVD players that can play them (unlike SACD and DVD-A). ___ -S "As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy, metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason |
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Will SACD die?
On 14 Dec 2007 03:11:12 GMT, Steven Sullivan wrote:
*IF* the music industry is at all interested in selling multichannel music, it would be insane of them NOT to move to these formats, since in a relatively few years, everyone will have DVD players that can play them (unlike SACD and DVD-A). Mebbe. That's a big IF. I hope we will see some action soon but, more likely, there will be nothing until/unless the HD players become common. By then, audio in a physical medium will probably be gone. Kal |
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Will SACD die?
Steven Sullivan wrote:
Kalman Rubinson wrote: Yeah but what are the odds that there will be pure music audio discs of any consequence on those media? *IF* the music industry is at all interested in selling multichannel music, it would be insane of them NOT to move to these formats, since in a relatively few years, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ afaik, it's already true *now* i don't know the current numbers, but my hunch is that BD and HD-DVD players already outnumber by at least a 2-to-1 factor (maybe even more than that) everyone will have DVD players that can play them (unlike SACD and DVD-A). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ agreed most people don't know that SACD exists, and of course even if you tell them about it, they're not about to spend the typical extra 100+ dollars to get a player that can handle something called SACD and DVD-A and when you ask a store sales person if they have any SACD disks, what you get is a blank stare bill |
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Will SACD die?
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:32:19 -0800, willbill wrote
(in article ): Arny Krueger wrote: "willbill" wrote in message Will SACD die? OK, 1st off i'm *not* trying to start a war! anyhow, i just got my 1st HD player (a 3rd gen Toshiba A35), and the HD sound isn't bad (based so far only the included 300 movie disk) given that there are probably already many more HD players out there than there are SACD players, will that cause hi-end audio multichannel sound to switch away from SACD? I think that DVD-A formats may turn up as compatibilty formats for HD and/or Blu Ray players. It would just be a matter of relatively simple decoding in signal processing units that are already pretty complicated. SACD could get pretty dead pretty fast because it requires special laser pickup assemblies because the initial content protection security is implemented there. assuming you already have either a Blu-ray player or a HD-DVD player, one other question: is the HD multichannel sound on those disks (either Dolby TrueHD, or DTS high def, or "lossless" 5.1 PCM) comparable to SACD? bill I think I read somewhere that its comparable to 5.1 channels of Redbook PCM. |
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Will SACD die?
Sonnova wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:32:19 -0800, willbill wrote (in article ): Arny Krueger wrote: "willbill" wrote in message Will SACD die? OK, 1st off i'm *not* trying to start a war! anyhow, i just got my 1st HD player (a 3rd gen Toshiba A35), and the HD sound isn't bad (based so far only the included 300 movie disk) given that there are probably already many more HD players out there than there are SACD players, will that cause hi-end audio multichannel sound to switch away from SACD? I think that DVD-A formats may turn up as compatibilty formats for HD and/or Blu Ray players. It would just be a matter of relatively simple decoding in signal processing units that are already pretty complicated. SACD could get pretty dead pretty fast because it requires special laser pickup assemblies because the initial content protection security is implemented there. assuming you already have either a Blu-ray player or a HD-DVD player, one other question: is the HD multichannel sound on those disks (either Dolby TrueHD, or DTS high def, or "lossless" 5.1 PCM) comparable to SACD? bill I think I read somewhere that its comparable to 5.1 channels of Redbook PCM. Dolby TrueHD supports up to 14 channels of 24-bit 192kHz SR audio. DTS-HD Master Audio supports up to 8 channels of 24/96 audio ___ -S "As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy, metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason |
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Will SACD die?
On 13 Dec 2007 23:49:54 GMT, Sonnova
wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:32:19 -0800, willbill wrote (in article ): assuming you already have either a Blu-ray player or a HD-DVD player, one other question: is the HD multichannel sound on those disks (either Dolby TrueHD, or DTS high def, or "lossless" 5.1 PCM) comparable to SACD? bill I think I read somewhere that its comparable to 5.1 channels of Redbook PCM. More. It is capable of up to 24/96 multichannel although what you get varies from disc to disc. Kal |
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Will SACD die?
"willbill" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: "willbill" wrote in message Will SACD die? OK, 1st off i'm *not* trying to start a war! anyhow, i just got my 1st HD player (a 3rd gen Toshiba A35), and the HD sound isn't bad (based so far only the included 300 movie disk) given that there are probably already many more HD players out there than there are SACD players, will that cause hi-end audio multichannel sound to switch away from SACD? I think that DVD-A formats may turn up as compatibilty formats for HD and/or Blu Ray players. It would just be a matter of relatively simple decoding in signal processing units that are already pretty complicated. SACD could get pretty dead pretty fast because it requires special laser pickup assemblies because the initial content protection security is implemented there. assuming you already have either a Blu-ray player or a HD-DVD player, one other question: is the HD multichannel sound on those disks (either Dolby TrueHD, or DTS high def, or "lossless" 5.1 PCM) comparable to SACD? I don't have either a Blu Ray or DVD HD player. |
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Will SACD die?
On Dec 11, 7:22 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"willbill" wrote in message Will SACD die? OK, 1st off i'm *not* trying to start a war! anyhow, i just got my 1st HD player (a 3rd gen Toshiba A35), and the HD sound isn't bad (based so far only the included 300 movie disk) given that there are probably already many more HD players out there than there are SACD players, will that cause hi-end audio multichannel sound to switch away from SACD? I think that DVD-A formats may turn up as compatibilty formats for HD and/or Blu Ray players. It would just be a matter of relatively simple decoding in signal processing units that are already pretty complicated. SACD could get pretty dead pretty fast because it requires special laser pickup assemblies because the initial content protection security is implemented there. I think it's more likely in the short to medium term that audiophiles will buy an SACD player separate from their HD/BluRay video disk player, and continue to buy SACDs just as they do now. The question is, once the HD/BluRay war is settled, will the big boys try to relaunch a multichannel PCM audio-only format for the masses? And will it catch on? I have my doubts, given the SACD/DVD-A experience. If it did, however, that might reopen the question for the audiophile set. So, no, I think SACD is it, such as "it" is. bob |
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Will SACD die?
"bob" wrote in message
The question is, once the HD/BluRay war is settled, will the big boys try to relaunch a multichannel PCM audio-only format for the masses? Dolby TrueHD wants to be that format. And will it catch on? Time will tell. I have my doubts, given the SACD/DVD-A experience. If it did, however, that might reopen the question for the audiophile set. AFAIK, the market penetration of SACD and DVD-A were not all that great, even among audiophiles. |
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Will SACD die?
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:22:53 -0800, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ): "willbill" wrote in message Will SACD die? OK, 1st off i'm *not* trying to start a war! anyhow, i just got my 1st HD player (a 3rd gen Toshiba A35), and the HD sound isn't bad (based so far only the included 300 movie disk) given that there are probably already many more HD players out there than there are SACD players, will that cause hi-end audio multichannel sound to switch away from SACD? I think that DVD-A formats may turn up as compatibilty formats for HD and/or Blu Ray players. It would just be a matter of relatively simple decoding in signal processing units that are already pretty complicated. SACD could get pretty dead pretty fast because it requires special laser pickup assemblies because the initial content protection security is implemented there. Not according to a friend of mine who is an engineer for Oppo. Their players are pretty cheap ($149 for the cheapest) and will support/play SACD, and in fact will play just about any 12 cm optical disc format. He says that the Oppo transport is a general purpose chinese OEM. |
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Will SACD die?
On 13 Dec 2007 23:49:26 GMT, Sonnova
wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:22:53 -0800, Arny Krueger wrote (in article ): "willbill" wrote in message Will SACD die? OK, 1st off i'm *not* trying to start a war! anyhow, i just got my 1st HD player (a 3rd gen Toshiba A35), and the HD sound isn't bad (based so far only the included 300 movie disk) given that there are probably already many more HD players out there than there are SACD players, will that cause hi-end audio multichannel sound to switch away from SACD? I think that DVD-A formats may turn up as compatibilty formats for HD and/or Blu Ray players. It would just be a matter of relatively simple decoding in signal processing units that are already pretty complicated. SACD could get pretty dead pretty fast because it requires special laser pickup assemblies because the initial content protection security is implemented there. Not according to a friend of mine who is an engineer for Oppo. Their players are pretty cheap ($149 for the cheapest) and will support/play SACD, and in fact will play just about any 12 cm optical disc format. He says that the Oppo transport is a general purpose chinese OEM. Yup, The DV-980H will play CD, DVD, DVD-A and SACD. It will upconvert video up to 1080p. It will output full-bandwidth DVD-A, DSD and, optionally, DSD-converted-to-PCM via HDMI. It has multichannel analog outputs as well as coax and TOSlink digital outputs. It sells for $170. And it works. Kal |
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Will SACD die?
Kalman Rubinson writes:
Yup, The DV-980H will play CD, DVD, DVD-A and SACD. It will upconvert video up to 1080p. It will output full-bandwidth DVD-A, DSD and, optionally, DSD-converted-to-PCM via HDMI. It has multichannel analog outputs as well as coax and TOSlink digital outputs. It sells for $170. And it works. If only it offered HD as well... -- % Randy Yates % "She tells me that she likes me very much, %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % but when I try to touch, she makes it %%% 919-577-9882 % all too clear." %%%% % 'Yours Truly, 2095', *Time*, ELO http://www.digitalsignallabs.com |
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Will SACD die?
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:56:01 -0800, Randy Yates wrote
(in article ): Kalman Rubinson writes: Yup, The DV-980H will play CD, DVD, DVD-A and SACD. It will upconvert video up to 1080p. It will output full-bandwidth DVD-A, DSD and, optionally, DSD-converted-to-PCM via HDMI. It has multichannel analog outputs as well as coax and TOSlink digital outputs. It sells for $170. And it works. If only it offered HD as well... The the question becomes which one? Blu-Ray or HD-DVD? As long as Blu-Ray players remain at the $500 price-point and the combo players are $1000, I suspect that HD-DVD will remain the leader in sales. |
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Will SACD die?
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:51:28 -0800, willbill wrote
(in article ): Will SACD die? OK, 1st off i'm *not* trying to start a war! anyhow, i just got my 1st HD player (a 3rd gen Toshiba A35), and the HD sound isn't bad (based so far only the included 300 movie disk) given that there are probably already many more HD players out there than there are SACD players, will that cause hi-end audio multichannel sound to switch away from SACD? all ears. bill I don't think that SACD will die. There are lots of players and lots of titles out there. |
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Will SACD die?
"Sonnova" schreef in bericht
... On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:51:28 -0800, willbill wrote (in article ): Will SACD die? OK, 1st off i'm *not* trying to start a war! anyhow, i just got my 1st HD player (a 3rd gen Toshiba A35), and the HD sound isn't bad (based so far only the included 300 movie disk) given that there are probably already many more HD players out there than there are SACD players, will that cause hi-end audio multichannel sound to switch away from SACD? all ears. bill I don't think that SACD will die. There are lots of players and lots of titles out there. When I look at the commercials of classical music labels, almost a quarter of their new releases are SACD. So, SACD is very clearly not dead. Regards, Gijs |
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