Unhappy Democrats Must Wait to Get Into Canada

Wed Nov 3, 2004 02:41 PM ET

By David Ljunggren

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Disgruntled Democrats seeking a safe Canadian haven after
President Bush won Tuesday's election should not pack their bags just yet.

Canadian officials made clear on Wednesday that any U.S. citizens so fed up
with Bush that they want to make a fresh start up north would have to stand in
line like any other would-be immigrants -- a wait that can take up to a year.

"Let me tell you -- if they're hard-working honest people, there's a process,
and let them apply," Immigration Minister Judy Sgro told Reuters.

Asked whether American applicants would get special treatment, she replied:
"No, they'll join the crowd like all the other people who want to come to
Canada."

There are anywhere from 600,000 to a million Americans living in Canada, which
leans more to the left than the United States and has traditionally favored the
Democrats over the Republicans.

But statistics show a gradual decline in U.S. citizens coming to work and live
in Canada, which has an ailing health care system and relatively high levels of
personal taxation.

Government officials, real estate brokers and Democrat activists said that
while some Americans might talk about moving to Canada rather than living with
a new Bush administration, they did not expect a mass influx.

"It's one thing to say 'I'm leaving for Canada' and quite another to actually
find a job here and wonder about where you're going to live and where the
children are going to go to school," said one official.

Roger King of the Toronto-based Democrats Abroad group said he had heard
nothing about a possible exodus of party members.

"I imagine most committed Democrats will want to stay in the United States and
continue being politically active there," he said.

Americans seeking to immigrate can apply to become permanent citizens of
Canada, a process that often takes a year. Becoming a full citizen takes a
further three years. **"

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Unhappy Democrats Must Wait to Get Into Canada

Wed Nov 3, 2004 02:41 PM ET

By David Ljunggren

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Disgruntled Democrats seeking a safe Canadian haven after
President Bush won Tuesday's election should not pack their bags just yet.

Canadian officials made clear on Wednesday that any U.S. citizens so fed up
with Bush that they want to make a fresh start up north would have to stand in
line like any other would-be immigrants -- a wait that can take up to a year.

"Let me tell you -- if they're hard-working honest people, there's a process,
and let them apply," Immigration Minister Judy Sgro told Reuters.

Asked whether American applicants would get special treatment, she replied:
"No, they'll join the crowd like all the other people who want to come to
Canada."

There are anywhere from 600,000 to a million Americans living in Canada, which
leans more to the left than the United States and has traditionally favored the
Democrats over the Republicans.

But statistics show a gradual decline in U.S. citizens coming to work and live
in Canada, which has an ailing health care system and relatively high levels of
personal taxation.

Government officials, real estate brokers and Democrat activists said that
while some Americans might talk about moving to Canada rather than living with
a new Bush administration, they did not expect a mass influx.

"It's one thing to say 'I'm leaving for Canada' and quite another to actually
find a job here and wonder about where you're going to live and where the
children are going to go to school," said one official.

Roger King of the Toronto-based Democrats Abroad group said he had heard
nothing about a possible exodus of party members.

"I imagine most committed Democrats will want to stay in the United States and
continue being politically active there," he said.

Americans seeking to immigrate can apply to become permanent citizens of
Canada, a process that often takes a year. Becoming a full citizen takes a
further three years. "

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Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Audioist 4 Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

"WillStG" wrote in message


There are anywhere from 600,000 to a million Americans living in
Canada, which leans more to the left than the United States and has
traditionally favored the Democrats over the Republicans.

Yeah, the Canadians have leaned left, right into nationalized medical care
economic hell.

But statistics show a gradual decline in U.S. citizens coming to work
and live in Canada, which has an ailing health care system and
relatively high levels of personal taxation.

People who live in border cities like Detroit probably have more real world
experience with life in Canada than anybody else but actual Canadians.

There are so many Canadians and ex-Canadians in the Detroit area that most
Detroiters have a little or a lot of a Canaidan accent, eh?

A high percentage of the people who live in border cities like Detroit
either still are Canadians or were Canadians earlier in their lives.

Many of my co-workers have been folks who come over the border every day to
work here. If you stand at the exit to the tunnel or the bridge any wekk day
morning, the passenger car traffic has a distinct US-bound direction to it.

At times some people in the US would drive to Canada to buy gas or luxury
items. Not so much today. Not for the gas at all.

My wife's great-grandparents immigrated to the US from Canada, and my
daughter-in-law's grandparents were also Canadian immigrants.

Michigan's current governor was born in Canada. Pundits have noted that she
can't be the US's first female president.

A big chunk of post WW2 european immigrants came to Canada first, and then
immigrated to the US. A lot of recent immigrants from the Pacific rim
followed a similar path. In their minds, Caanda was a nice place to stay
until they could finish the job of immigration to the US.

We love Canada and Canadians, but we live in the US!

What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit,
vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's
minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands
Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of
living of the US.

Being a lover of the out-of-doors I vacation in Canada just about every
chance I get. Great place to visit but...

What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit,
vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's
minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands
Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of
living of the US.


I think it has more to with warm air in the winter than a lower standard of
living

"Don Nafe" wrote in message


What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit,
vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many
people's minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of
thousands Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the
standard of living of the US.

I think it has more to with warm air in the winter than a lower
standard of living

There is virtually no difference between the weather in Windsor, Ontario and
the rest of the Detroit area. In fact, the weather is a tad milder in
Ontario's "Sun Kitchen" than in most of Michigan. They even grow tobacco in
Ontario a bit east of Windsor. This does not seem to hinder immigration from
Ontario into Michigan, not one one little bit.

Depends, of course, on how you package those particular factors that
make up "standard of living". Every Canadian citizen has free basic
health insurance. It is very difficult to find a "slum" in any major
city. Crime rate is considerably lower. Our "social security" (Canada
Pension Plan) is absolutely sound (they fixed it a few years ago,
adjusted some rates, and presto: fixed. Something the U.S. should have
also done 10 years ago but didn't). Infant mortality, life expectancy,
education, all rank higher than U.S. Average income is slightly less.

The Canadian economy has been doing very well for about 15 years running
now, under a Liberal government (generally to the left of the Democrats).

Shocking fact: Canada does not run a deficit. The last few years have
seen substantial government surpluses. Yes, even with a national health
care plan.

We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being
attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes...

In most provinces now, gay marriage is permitted. Ever see "Invasion of
the Body Snatchers"? It's like that. Just yesterday, four more
co-workers turned gay. My boss, my mother. Cop cars are now pink...

Like everyone else, we could do better in some areas, but if you ask
most sensible people here they'll tell you it's a great place to live.

Don Nafe wrote:
What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit,
vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's
minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands
Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of
living of the US.



I think it has more to with warm air in the winter than a lower standard of
living

Captain,
I am real comfortable in beer-soaked flannel, but do I have to eat all
those sissy riche sauces n' stuff?
More ME in the mix!

"Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message
...

We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being
attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes...

There are a lot of Western countries with lower defense budgets, a benefit
due in good part to having a very powerful neighbor/ally who does spend a
lot in defense. If you have a big brother, you don't need to know how to
fight that well.

Glenn D.

Besides, here in Windsor, we're south of Detroit anyway.

And the beer's better too...
Even if the Casino is not.

There is virtually no difference between the weather in Windsor, Ontario and
the rest of the Detroit area. In fact, the weather is a tad milder in
Ontario's "Sun Kitchen" than in most of Michigan. They even grow tobacco in
Ontario a bit east of Windsor. This does not seem to hinder immigration from
Ontario into Michigan, not one one little bit.

"Larry Pohjola" wrote in message


Besides, here in Windsor, we're south of Detroit anyway.

Well you're south of my part of Detroit, but not all of it.

And the beer's better too...

That's a matter of opinion.

Even if the Casino is not.

I have no personal experience to go on.

There is virtually no difference between the weather in Windsor,
Ontario and the rest of the Detroit area. In fact, the weather is a
tad milder in Ontario's "Sun Kitchen" than in most of Michigan. They
even grow tobacco in Ontario a bit east of Windsor. This does not
seem to hinder immigration from Ontario into Michigan, not one one
little bit.

Arny, you live in the Detroit area?

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Larry Pohjola" wrote in message


Besides, here in Windsor, we're south of Detroit anyway.

Well you're south of my part of Detroit, but not all of it.
....

Arny Krueger wrote:

Yeah, the Canadians have leaned left, right into nationalized medical care
economic hell.

Tell me about it! What with Americans buying up our medications and flu
vaccines, it is getting harder and harder to get health care here.

Rob R.

--

Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"WillStG" wrote in message


There are anywhere from 600,000 to a million Americans living in
Canada, which leans more to the left than the United States and has
traditionally favored the Democrats over the Republicans.

Yeah, the Canadians have leaned left, right into nationalized medical care
economic hell.


As opposed to the US, where I pay $900 a month for health insurance, with
high copayments, and high deductibles.

And our economy? Its in great shape, lemme tell you! Well, until the bill
that Bush is busy running up comes due.

snip

What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit,
vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's
minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands
Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of
living of the US.

Take heart, we too will soon lack our standard of living.

--

Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.
"Glenn Dowdy" wrote in message
...

"Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message
...

We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being
attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes...

There are a lot of Western countries with lower defense budgets, a benefit
due in good part to having a very powerful neighbor/ally who does spend a
lot in defense. If you have a big brother, you don't need to know how to
fight that well.

Glenn D.



Just who the hell do you suppose we're defending Canada against?

"Roger Christie" wrote in message
...


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Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.
"Glenn Dowdy" wrote in message
...

"Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message
...

We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being
attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes...

There are a lot of Western countries with lower defense budgets, a
benefit
due in good part to having a very powerful neighbor/ally who does spend
a
lot in defense. If you have a big brother, you don't need to know how to
fight that well.


Just who the hell do you suppose we're defending Canada against?

Beats me. But if the US had a tiny armed force, would Canada's (and NATO,
etc.) maintain their present level of military forces?

Glenn D.

Uh.... probably. We haven't really ****ed anyone off. Well, not true, we're
not just pushovers that don't stand up for ourselves, but we're not bullies
either. The only nation that I'm afraid of attack from is the US. If we
weren't so willing to continue trade with the US, I'm sure we would be found
to "harbor terrorists and WMD's" and then..... we'd have the United States
of North America.


m.
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mikerekka at hotmail dot com hates spam




Beats me. But if the US had a tiny armed force, would Canada's (and NATO,
etc.) maintain their present level of military forces?

Glenn D.

"Greg Taylor" wrote in message
news

Arny, you live in the Detroit area?

True.

I'll probably be at the next SMWTMS (Detroit area audio club) meeting which
I think is this weekend.

For information on the club, visit the SMWTMS Web Site at:

http://provide.net/~djcarlst/smwtms.htm

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ...
"WillStG" wrote in message


There are anywhere from 600,000 to a million Americans living in
Canada, which leans more to the left than the United States and has
traditionally favored the Democrats over the Republicans.

What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit,
vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's
minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands
Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of
living of the US.


I don't know where you got this misconception Canada has consistantly
had a higher standard of Living than the United States, since at least
the 1960s.

The United States has a lower infant mortality rate than Cuba, it
also has a lower literacy rate than Cuba.

The American health care system, ( ah ? ) is on par with Brasil.

But America does blow more people up than any other country.

"Glenn Dowdy" wrote in message ...
"Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message
...

We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being
attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes...

There are a lot of Western countries with lower defense budgets, a benefit
due in good part to having a very powerful neighbor/ally who does spend a
lot in defense. If you have a big brother, you don't need to know how to
fight that well.

Glenn D.


If you don't get into fights you know all there is to know about
fighting. It's called evolution.

That the US millitary uses 60% of the fuel consumed by America, and
takes up how much of your GNP, is a testament to misplaced resources.

"it lacks the standard of living of the US."

Being a Canadian who lives 30 minutes from the boarderon the west coast I
can say Canada lacks the standard of living the USA has.......We lack
GUNS......we lack.....AMERICAN GREED......we lack.....AMERICAN
BIGGOTRY.....we lack.....GEORGE BUSH.....we lack
.......WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION......we lack
.........EVERTHING AMERICAN......WE ARE CANADIAN AND WE DON'T LACK ANYTHING
BUT THE AMERCAN ATTITUDE.





Arny Krueger wrote in message
...
"WillStG" wrote in message


There are anywhere from 600,000 to a million Americans living in
Canada, which leans more to the left than the United States and has
traditionally favored the Democrats over the Republicans.

Yeah, the Canadians have leaned left, right into nationalized medical care
economic hell.

But statistics show a gradual decline in U.S. citizens coming to work
and live in Canada, which has an ailing health care system and
relatively high levels of personal taxation.

People who live in border cities like Detroit probably have more real
world
experience with life in Canada than anybody else but actual Canadians.

There are so many Canadians and ex-Canadians in the Detroit area that most
Detroiters have a little or a lot of a Canaidan accent, eh?

A high percentage of the people who live in border cities like Detroit
either still are Canadians or were Canadians earlier in their lives.

Many of my co-workers have been folks who come over the border every day
to
work here. If you stand at the exit to the tunnel or the bridge any wekk
day
morning, the passenger car traffic has a distinct US-bound direction to
it.

At times some people in the US would drive to Canada to buy gas or luxury
items. Not so much today. Not for the gas at all.

My wife's great-grandparents immigrated to the US from Canada, and my
daughter-in-law's grandparents were also Canadian immigrants.

Michigan's current governor was born in Canada. Pundits have noted that
she
can't be the US's first female president.

A big chunk of post WW2 european immigrants came to Canada first, and then
immigrated to the US. A lot of recent immigrants from the Pacific rim
followed a similar path. In their minds, Caanda was a nice place to stay
until they could finish the job of immigration to the US.

We love Canada and Canadians, but we live in the US!

What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit,
vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's
minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands
Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of
living of the US.

Being a lover of the out-of-doors I vacation in Canada just about every
chance I get. Great place to visit but...

"Troy"

Being a Canadian who lives 30 minutes from the boarderon the west coast I
can say Canada lacks the standard of living the USA has.......We lack
GUNS......we lack.....AMERICAN GREED......we lack.....AMERICAN
BIGGOTRY.....we lack.....GEORGE BUSH.....we lack
......WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION......we lack
........EVERTHING AMERICAN......WE ARE CANADIAN AND WE DON'T LACK ANYTHING
BUT THE AMERCAN ATTITUDE.

Yes, yes, Troy, you are a proud Canuck, you have it all, lacking in
nothing and obviously you have no need of an "American attitude"....

As evidently, you prefer a *French* attitude...
g

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Audioist 4 Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

Nmm wrote:


Don't wait for the draft, rental prices in Toronto are still low right now.

How low?


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Glenn Dowdy wrote:


Beats me. But if the US had a tiny armed force, would Canada's (and NATO,
etc.) maintain their present level of military forces?

If the US had a tiny armed force most of the rest of the
world wouldn't feel the need for much of one either.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

I never said we lacked nothing .....I will take the "FRENCH" attitude any
day over the "EVERYONE SHOULD LIVE LIKE US BECAUSE WE ARE THE BEST COUNTRY
IN THE WORLD ......GOD BLESS AMERICA ATTITUDE"

Why is it terrorists chose to fly into American buildings?....not Canadian
buildings?.It's a shame so many innocent people had to die at the expense of
your goverment.After all they were the ones that got Sadam in power and
funded Osama's wars (among many others).

Your leader is a lier and now has another 4 years of lies to tell.Hope you
enjoy them.

Sleep well.....I know I will.






WillStG wrote in message
...
"Troy"

Being a Canadian who lives 30 minutes from the boarderon the west coast I
can say Canada lacks the standard of living the USA has.......We lack
GUNS......we lack.....AMERICAN GREED......we lack.....AMERICAN
BIGGOTRY.....we lack.....GEORGE BUSH.....we lack
......WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION......we lack
........EVERTHING AMERICAN......WE ARE CANADIAN AND WE DON'T LACK
ANYTHING
BUT THE AMERCAN ATTITUDE.

Yes, yes, Troy, you are a proud Canuck, you have it all, lacking in
nothing and obviously you have no need of an "American attitude"....

As evidently, you prefer a *French* attitude...
g

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Audioist 4 Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

The last line was suppost to read

I AM CANADIAN !!!!!!!



WillStG wrote in message
...
"Troy"

Being a Canadian who lives 30 minutes from the boarderon the west coast I
can say Canada lacks the standard of living the USA has.......We lack
GUNS......we lack.....AMERICAN GREED......we lack.....AMERICAN
BIGGOTRY.....we lack.....GEORGE BUSH.....we lack
......WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION......we lack
........EVERTHING AMERICAN......WE ARE CANADIAN AND WE DON'T LACK
ANYTHING
BUT THE AMERCAN ATTITUDE.

Yes, yes, Troy, you are a proud Canuck, you have it all, lacking in
nothing and obviously you have no need of an "American attitude"....

As evidently, you prefer a *French* attitude...
g

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Audioist 4 Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

"it lacks the standard of living of the US."

Being a Canadian who lives 30 minutes from the boarderon the west coast I
can say Canada lacks the standard of living the USA has.......We lack
GUNS......we lack.....AMERICAN GREED......we lack.....AMERICAN
BIGGOTRY.....we lack.....GEORGE BUSH.....we lack
.......WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION......we lack
.........EVERTHING AMERICAN......WE ARE CANADIAN AND WE DON'T LACK ANYTHING
BUT THE AMERCAN ATTITUDE.

I AM CANADIAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)






WillStG wrote in message
...
"Troy"

Being a Canadian who lives 30 minutes from the boarderon the west coast I
can say Canada lacks the standard of living the USA has.......We lack
GUNS......we lack.....AMERICAN GREED......we lack.....AMERICAN
BIGGOTRY.....we lack.....GEORGE BUSH.....we lack
......WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION......we lack
........EVERTHING AMERICAN......WE ARE CANADIAN AND WE DON'T LACK
ANYTHING
BUT THE AMERCAN ATTITUDE.

Yes, yes, Troy, you are a proud Canuck, you have it all, lacking in
nothing and obviously you have no need of an "American attitude"....

As evidently, you prefer a *French* attitude...
g

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Audioist 4 Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

Dear Unhappy Democrats:

I am an American who resides legally in Canada. However, I am
planning to retire to the United States ASAP. I'd be delighted to
trade or sell my beautiful home in Prince Edward Island, furnished or
unfurnished, to a fellow American . . .

I'm hoping to find a home in eastern Oregon or in New Mexico.

Cheers . . .

Dear Unhappy Democrats:

I am an American who resides legally in Canada. However, I am
planning to retire to the United States ASAP. I'd be delighted to
trade or sell my beautiful home in Prince Edward Island, furnished or
unfurnished, to a fellow American . . .

I'm hoping to find a home in eastern Oregon or in New Mexico.

Cheers . . .

Bill Van Dyk wrote in message ...
Depends, of course, on how you package those particular factors that
make up "standard of living". Every Canadian citizen has free basic
health insurance. It is very difficult to find a "slum" in any major
city. Crime rate is considerably lower. Our "social security" (Canada
Pension Plan) is absolutely sound (they fixed it a few years ago,
adjusted some rates, and presto: fixed. Something the U.S. should have
also done 10 years ago but didn't). Infant mortality, life expectancy,
education, all rank higher than U.S. Average income is slightly less.

The Canadian economy has been doing very well for about 15 years running
now, under a Liberal government (generally to the left of the Democrats).

Shocking fact: Canada does not run a deficit. The last few years have
seen substantial government surpluses. Yes, even with a national health
care plan.


universal health care (and still less than what the US spends per
capita), fiscally sound social security, no deficits, all under a
liberal government...

it's like a dream.




We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being
attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes...

In most provinces now, gay marriage is permitted. Ever see "Invasion of
the Body Snatchers"? It's like that. Just yesterday, four more
co-workers turned gay. My boss, my mother. Cop cars are now pink...


lol.



Like everyone else, we could do better in some areas, but if you ask
most sensible people here they'll tell you it's a great place to live.

Don Nafe wrote:
What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit,
vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's
minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands
Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of
living of the US.



I think it has more to with warm air in the winter than a lower standard of
living

Hey! Everybody was right! Will, you ARE an asshole! See, all this time I was
being "Canadian" and taking the name calling lighter than it was, giving it
up to just boys being boys. But... wow.

I understand now why GWB got another round. It would take the man himself to
prove that he was a psycho, low-brow, ignorant, bully who was about as
qualified to run the US as I am. I'm glad he didn't show that side....of....
Oh wait, never mind.

Enjoy the next four.

--


mikerekka at hotmail dot com hates spam


"WillStG" wrote in message
...
"Troy"

Being a Canadian who lives 30 minutes from the boarderon the west coast I
can say Canada lacks the standard of living the USA has.......We lack
GUNS......we lack.....AMERICAN GREED......we lack.....AMERICAN
BIGGOTRY.....we lack.....GEORGE BUSH.....we lack
......WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION......we lack
........EVERTHING AMERICAN......WE ARE CANADIAN AND WE DON'T LACK ANYTHING
BUT THE AMERCAN ATTITUDE.

Yes, yes, Troy, you are a proud Canuck, you have it all, lacking in
nothing and obviously you have no need of an "American attitude"....

As evidently, you prefer a *French* attitude...
g

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Audioist 4 Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

"geek" wrote in message
news:L6Cid.119197$%k.88049@pd7tw2no...
Hey! Everybody was right! Will, you ARE an asshole! See, all this time I
was being "Canadian" and taking the name calling lighter than it was,
giving it up to just boys being boys. But... wow.

I understand now why GWB got another round. It would take the man himself
to prove that he was a psycho, low-brow, ignorant, bully who was about as
qualified to run the US as I am. I'm glad he didn't show that
side....of.... Oh wait, never mind.

Enjoy the next four.

Thanks. Oh and plonk too.

Richard Crowley wrote:

Thanks. Oh and plonk too.


You sure showed him.

"WillStG" wrote in message
...

But statistics show a gradual decline in U.S. citizens coming to work and
live
in Canada, which has an ailing health care system and relatively high
levels of
personal taxation.


Actually, Canada's health care is really good, it's free, you have a choice
of doctors, and it costs less per capita than does American health care (for
those that have it.) The taxes are quite a bit higher.

jb

"Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message
...
Depends, of course, on how you package those particular factors that
make up "standard of living". Every Canadian citizen has free basic
health insurance. It is very difficult to find a "slum" in any major
city. Crime rate is considerably lower. Our "social security" (Canada
Pension Plan) is absolutely sound (they fixed it a few years ago,
adjusted some rates, and presto: fixed. Something the U.S. should have
also done 10 years ago but didn't). Infant mortality, life expectancy,
education, all rank higher than U.S. Average income is slightly less.


And don't forget that you have a trade surplus as well, something like 5 to
3 ratio of exports to imports.

jb





The Canadian economy has been doing very well for about 15 years running
now, under a Liberal government (generally to the left of the Democrats).

Shocking fact: Canada does not run a deficit. The last few years have
seen substantial government surpluses. Yes, even with a national health
care plan.

We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being
attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes...

In most provinces now, gay marriage is permitted. Ever see "Invasion of
the Body Snatchers"? It's like that. Just yesterday, four more
co-workers turned gay. My boss, my mother. Cop cars are now pink...

Like everyone else, we could do better in some areas, but if you ask
most sensible people here they'll tell you it's a great place to live.

Don Nafe wrote:
What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit,
vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many
people's
minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands
Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of
living of the US.



I think it has more to with warm air in the winter than a lower standard
of
living

Bill Van Dyk wrote:

Our "social security" (Canada
Pension Plan) is absolutely sound (they fixed it a few years ago,
adjusted some rates, and presto: fixed. Something the U.S. should have
also done 10 years ago but didn't).

Try 20 years ago. It's not like nobody saw it coming.

We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being
attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes...

Yeah, they have a bunch of blades on their Army knives.

In most provinces now, gay marriage is permitted. Ever see "Invasion of
the Body Snatchers"? It's like that. Just yesterday, four more
co-workers turned gay. My boss, my mother. Cop cars are now pink...

In Davidson county, NC, the walls in the jail are painted pink. I always
suspected Sherrif Hege was "different".

Pete Dimsman wrote:


Richard Crowley wrote:

Thanks. Oh and plonk too.


You sure showed him.


We all live in fear of the Killfile
ROTFLAMFFAO
G

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Don Nafe" wrote in message


What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit,
vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many
people's minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of
thousands Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the
standard of living of the US.

I think it has more to with warm air in the winter than a lower
standard of living

There is virtually no difference between the weather in Windsor, Ontario
and the rest of the Detroit area. In fact, the weather is a tad milder in
Ontario's "Sun Kitchen" than in most of Michigan. They even grow tobacco
in Ontario a bit east of Windsor. This does not seem to hinder immigration
from Ontario into Michigan, not one one little bit.

Actually I think the number of Canadians migrating to Michigan is a drop in
the bucket compared to the number of snowbirds who head south for the
winter....warmth, I need warmth!

Don

"Nmm" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"WillStG" wrote in message


What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit,
vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many
people's minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of
thousands Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the
standard of living of the US.

I don't know where you got this misconception Canada has consistantly
had a higher standard of Living than the United States, since at least
the 1960s.

I get it from all of the Canadians who move to to the US to get a higher
standard of living.

The United States has a lower infant mortality rate than Cuba, it
also has a lower literacy rate than Cuba.

Then why don't you move to Cuba? Fool that I am, I'm staying in the US.

The American health care system, ( ah ? ) is on par with Brazil.

Tell that to all the Brazilians who move here to find a higher standard of
living.

But America does blow more people up than any other country.

Please stay in Canada where you are.

Thank God for Molsen!!

"reddred" wrote in message
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"Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message
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Depends, of course, on how you package those particular factors that
make up "standard of living". Every Canadian citizen has free basic
health insurance. It is very difficult to find a "slum" in any major
city. Crime rate is considerably lower. Our "social security" (Canada
Pension Plan) is absolutely sound (they fixed it a few years ago,
adjusted some rates, and presto: fixed. Something the U.S. should have
also done 10 years ago but didn't). Infant mortality, life expectancy,
education, all rank higher than U.S. Average income is slightly less.


And don't forget that you have a trade surplus as well, something like 5
to
3 ratio of exports to imports.

jb





The Canadian economy has been doing very well for about 15 years running
now, under a Liberal government (generally to the left of the
Democrats).

Shocking fact: Canada does not run a deficit. The last few years have
seen substantial government surpluses. Yes, even with a national health
care plan.

We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being
attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes...

In most provinces now, gay marriage is permitted. Ever see "Invasion of
the Body Snatchers"? It's like that. Just yesterday, four more
co-workers turned gay. My boss, my mother. Cop cars are now pink...

Like everyone else, we could do better in some areas, but if you ask
most sensible people here they'll tell you it's a great place to live.

Don Nafe wrote:
What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit,
vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many
people's
minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands
Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of
living of the US.



I think it has more to with warm air in the winter than a lower
standard
of
living

Bob Cain wrote:


Nmm wrote:


Don't wait for the draft, rental prices in Toronto are still low right now.

How low?

They are a bit lower because a whole bunch of renters bought condos in the
last 3 years, increasing the vacancy rate to what is currently about 4%
which is huge for Toronto. For most of the last 10 years the vacancy
rate sat around 1% or so.

So I don't know what you call low. I think at the low end you will find
a basement bachelor (no separate bedroom) in the range of $600 which is
about $480 USD, in the downtown area. If you want something nicer
like a decent one-bedroom you can expect to pay about $800 ($640 USD) and
up.

Most of the decline in rent costs has taken place in the high-end
dwellings since the people who vacated them were more likely to buy a
home than people living in cheap apartments. This all happened because
of the super low mortgage rates. It did cause the housing/condo
market to go super-hot and as a result property values shot up in Toronto.

So, compared to NYC, these are dirt cheap. But I expect there are large
cities in the US where you can live for less than that.

Rob R.