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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:39:52 -0400, "Chris Mullins"
wrote: i think he meant that with the higher preamp voltage it'll be clipping earlier with the gains, since most people don't know how to set their gains its better to have lower preamps. There's been at least half a dozen people i've heard of blowing their subs cause it wouldn't hold the power from their amps they think the gain is a power setting so they want all the power they can get That's true - if you take a properly-adjusted system that uses 2V preouts from the head unit, and swap in a different head unit with 7V preouts and don't adjust the gain on the amp(s), you're only going to be able to use about a quarter of the head unit's volume range before you start clipping the amp. That's not an inherent disadvantage of high-voltage preouts, though - that's user error, plain and simple. -- Scott Gardner "Never get your heart set on a peanut butter and jelly sandwich until you're sure there's jelly in the house." (Linus Van Pelt) |
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Sorry, but I was getting somewhat frustrated by Mr Walds stupidity. That was
what I was trying to say. But I still don't see almost any upides of high voltage pre-outs. The only thing I can think of, is with my old EQ, was that it had .25 V outs, and it gave off a lot of noise. "Scott Gardner" wrote in message ... On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:39:52 -0400, "Chris Mullins" wrote: i think he meant that with the higher preamp voltage it'll be clipping earlier with the gains, since most people don't know how to set their gains its better to have lower preamps. There's been at least half a dozen people i've heard of blowing their subs cause it wouldn't hold the power from their amps they think the gain is a power setting so they want all the power they can get That's true - if you take a properly-adjusted system that uses 2V preouts from the head unit, and swap in a different head unit with 7V preouts and don't adjust the gain on the amp(s), you're only going to be able to use about a quarter of the head unit's volume range before you start clipping the amp. That's not an inherent disadvantage of high-voltage preouts, though - that's user error, plain and simple. -- Scott Gardner "Never get your heart set on a peanut butter and jelly sandwich until you're sure there's jelly in the house." (Linus Van Pelt) |
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B O B W A L D I S T H E D E V I L R E I N C A R N A T E ! -- robyncboyd ------------------------------------------------------------------------ robyncboyd's Profile: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/me...p?userid=25153 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/sh...d.php?t=228076 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! |
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scott in crutchfield....i think i just saw a top alpine, model
$1100.....n i dont think it was the 1 with the 7'' screen. i dont think i ever saw a alpine other than in a show room at ''wrights sound gallery''. i mean seen one in peron. |
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,25v LOL id rather have nothing than .25v...lol
hope you didnt pay more than $50 for it.... |
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i guess what i am saying is alpine.you buying a more upper class
unit....not the average dog so to speak. like with all polk/kicker could see alpine.not boss-jensen-pioneer-jvc-sony-even clarion. clarion i put between average n high class. i try to match my equipment. class wise. maybe i'm saying theres rare brands i dont see around much .. |
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i dont know who makes alpine.but if the japs have it.they bought it.who
where they before the japs got it..... |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:29:12 -0400, Scott Gardner
wrote: On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:32:34 -0500, (bob wald) wrote: scott in crutchfield....i think i just saw a top alpine, model $1100.....n i dont think it was the 1 with the 7'' screen. i dont think i ever saw a alpine other than in a show room at ''wrights sound gallery''. i mean seen one in peron. Shows what you know. I have an Alpine 7814 CD/receiver in one of my cars. It's an older model, and I consider it inferior to my JVC-KDSH77, which is even a few years old too. As a matter of fact, I took the Alpine out of my Mercedes and put it in my Honda, so that I could sell the Honda with the Alpine in it and keep the JVC. Never mind - I mis-read your post and though that you were claiming that *I* had never seen an Alpine head unit in person, not that *you* had never seen one. I used to see them all over the place in the 80's and 90's, back when they were the most-expensive units out there and people bought them for "bragging rights". Now that their prices are more in line with everyone else's, perhaps people are looking at other brands more. Your post reminded me of a boss I had in high school. He had an old, beat-up Jeep with an Alpine stereo in it. The funny thing was, it was an Alpine **8-track player**. To this day, that's still the only Alpine 8-track I've ever seen. -- Scott Gardner "What happens on cruise, stays on cruise." (Navy saying) |
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i only wish i was a VIP so they'd let me buy an alpine. They said my $350
wasn't good enough for them... "bob wald" wrote in message ... i guess what i am saying is alpine.you buying a more upper class unit....not the average dog so to speak. like with all polk/kicker could see alpine.not boss-jensen-pioneer-jvc-sony-even clarion. clarion i put between average n high class. i try to match my equipment. class wise. maybe i'm saying theres rare brands i dont see around much . |
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scott.i know all electronics get old price so i cant comment on the
$300 alpine. but i see lots of other decks $189 or less.so the alpine is more. I still think the alpines abit rare. |
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Ive never said alpine was better than any.i just dont know.i said its
rare.looks good too.Kinda classy/rare.specs look good. |
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bob wald wrote:
8track...mid to late 70s. you must be 40... Man you must be 12, I'm 29 and I remember 8 tracks and the late 70s (though not very well). |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, Kirby wrote:
Sorry, but I was getting somewhat frustrated by Mr Walds stupidity. That was what I was trying to say. But I still don't see almost any upides of high voltage pre-outs. The only thing I can think of, is with my old EQ, was that it had .25 V outs, and it gave off a lot of noise. I don't get any noise from my 10v output when it's down at low volume levels and therefore putting out only a quarter of a volt. I think something was wrong with your EQ. |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, bob wald wrote:
i try to match my equipment. class wise. That's evident. So what class are you? |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, bob wald wrote:
i just dont know. On this we agree. |
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I. Care Wrote: In article 1129492603.00cebcbe5d2b5100dee04d7334f00994@teran ews, says... B O B W A L D I S T H E D E V I L R E I N C A R N A T E ! -- robyncboyd ------------------------------------------------------------------------ robyncboyd's Profile: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/me...p?userid=25153 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/sh...d.php?t=228076 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! Glad you are enjoying him as much as we do. -- I. Care Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-} I find him a ****tard, but entertaining all the same. The classic thing is he thinks he knows something about car audio...Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha -- robyncboyd ------------------------------------------------------------------------ robyncboyd's Profile: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/me...p?userid=25153 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/sh...d.php?t=228076 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:19:02 GMT, MZ wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, Kirby wrote: Sorry, but I was getting somewhat frustrated by Mr Walds stupidity. That was what I was trying to say. But I still don't see almost any upides of high voltage pre-outs. The only thing I can think of, is with my old EQ, was that it had .25 V outs, and it gave off a lot of noise. I don't get any noise from my 10v output when it's down at low volume levels and therefore putting out only a quarter of a volt. I think something was wrong with your EQ. I was thinking the same thing. A clean-sounding unit with high-voltage preamps would still sound as clean with lower-voltage preamps. Likewise, if he was getting noise from his EQ, it probably wasn't caused by the preouts. More likely, either the EQ was faulty or inherently noisy. -- Scott Gardner "I've had a wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." - Groucho Marx |
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Scott Gardner Wrote: and the Alpine 8-track player was probably from the late 70's. -- Scott Gardner "It's easy to get a Friday off when you're unemployed." Nah, probably from the early to mid seventies. Late seventies were the domain of cassette. -- robyncboyd ------------------------------------------------------------------------ robyncboyd's Profile: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/me...p?userid=25153 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/sh...d.php?t=228076 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! |
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i think he was saying that he has sort of a pavlovian response now since his
..25v preamps sucked. He has to partially blame it ont he voltage even though he knows its probably not at fault. but thats just the impression i got, i could be as wrong as wald (i like that, i think i'll keep it) "Scott Gardner" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:19:02 GMT, MZ wrote: On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, Kirby wrote: Sorry, but I was getting somewhat frustrated by Mr Walds stupidity. That was what I was trying to say. But I still don't see almost any upides of high voltage pre-outs. The only thing I can think of, is with my old EQ, was that it had .25 V outs, and it gave off a lot of noise. I don't get any noise from my 10v output when it's down at low volume levels and therefore putting out only a quarter of a volt. I think something was wrong with your EQ. I was thinking the same thing. A clean-sounding unit with high-voltage preamps would still sound as clean with lower-voltage preamps. Likewise, if he was getting noise from his EQ, it probably wasn't caused by the preouts. More likely, either the EQ was faulty or inherently noisy. -- Scott Gardner "I've had a wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." - Groucho Marx |
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i think i speak for everyone when i say i only reply/read his posts when i
need something to laugh at I really love how he's changed his stance now that he's able to afford an alpine unit, he thinks he's something special because his mom is going to get him a nice x-mas present. "robyncboyd" wrote in message news:1129514795.b4cd423b55a8e61d9570d4ca65d415b0@t eranews... I. Care Wrote: In article 1129492603.00cebcbe5d2b5100dee04d7334f00994@teran ews, says... B O B W A L D I S T H E D E V I L R E I N C A R N A T E ! -- robyncboyd ------------------------------------------------------------------------ robyncboyd's Profile: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/me...p?userid=25153 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/sh...d.php?t=228076 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! Glad you are enjoying him as much as we do. -- I. Care Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-} I find him a ****tard, but entertaining all the same. The classic thing is he thinks he knows something about car audio...Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha -- robyncboyd ------------------------------------------------------------------------ robyncboyd's Profile: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/me...p?userid=25153 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/sh...d.php?t=228076 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! |
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So you know, I paid $20.. Canadian..
"bob wald" wrote in message ... ,25v LOL id rather have nothing than .25v...lol hope you didnt pay more than $50 for it.... |
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To the best of my knowledge it was a common problem with this sereis of EQ.
Pioneer DEQ-7200. If I can remember correctly, it was 14 band digital. I loved the look, and the screen saver type things. My only real beef with it was the noise and the fact that you could not read it for **** in the daytime. "MZ" wrote in message ... On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, Kirby wrote: Sorry, but I was getting somewhat frustrated by Mr Walds stupidity. That was what I was trying to say. But I still don't see almost any upides of high voltage pre-outs. The only thing I can think of, is with my old EQ, was that it had .25 V outs, and it gave off a lot of noise. I don't get any noise from my 10v output when it's down at low volume levels and therefore putting out only a quarter of a volt. I think something was wrong with your EQ. |
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i believe the website is 'sonicelectronix.com' (http://www.sonicelectronix.com) -- mike's dad ------------------------------------------------------------------------ mike's dad's Profile: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/me...p?userid=37404 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/sh...d.php?t=228225 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! |
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mark by class i mean cheap stuff to cheap stuff.expensive to
expensive.But alpines always interested me.thier decks-eqs anyways. i cant even think of high cost decks besides eclipse n nekimishi.lol the reason i dont own alpine already. i think thier outs are 2v.but thanks to clarion eq.Its Alpine time! 7vvvvvvvvv...... this Clarion has improved my life already.... Sometimes i admire myself.lol |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, bob wald wrote:
mark by class i mean cheap stuff to cheap stuff.expensive to expensive. Alpine's not very expensive. Compare it to some Eclipse, Nakamichi, and McIntosh models. |
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ok...i never said alpine was the most expensive on earth.
but if you look at alpines cheapest models thier higher than others cheap models..plus alpine id guess sells more stuff than the others thats priced higher.... |
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ok...i never said alpine was the most expensive on earth.
but if you look at alpines cheapest models thier higher than others cheap models..plus alpine id guess sells more stuff than the others thats priced higher.... That's because they sell Alpine in the department stores... |
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ive said be4 ive never seen alpine in person.just 1 or twice in very
high electronic stores.yo must be thinking of your kenwood-mitishbiti-panasonic-fujiten in department stores..... |
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You dont get out much do you? Almost all of the installers in my area have
Alpine, and same with the car owners.. You almost can't go anywhere around here without seeing it.. And by no means do these places have high end gear. "bob wald" wrote in message ... ive said be4 ive never seen alpine in person.just 1 or twice in very high electronic stores.yo must be thinking of your kenwood-mitishbiti-panasonic-fujiten in department stores..... |
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bob wald Wrote: ive said be4 ive never seen alpine in person.just 1 or twice in very high electronic stores.yo must be thinking of your kenwood-mitishbiti-panasonic-fujiten in department stores..... Throw Sherwood and Jensen in that list and you've got a car audio lineup from 1988 or so... bob, are you stuck in the eighties? Have you been out of your basement since the eighties? -- Jethro [(Vas/Vbox)+1]^.5 * Qts or Fs ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jethro's Profile: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/me...p?userid=18662 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/sh...d.php?t=228076 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! |
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well 80s were the best time in history so far.for music,stereos etc.
maybe different places might have alot of alpine.but not here. |
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, bob wald wrote:
well 80s were the best time in history so far.for music,stereos etc. maybe different places might have alot of alpine.but not here. Crank that Herbie Hancock, bob. |
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please dont be jealous of my
alpine-clarion-sherwood-jvc''speakers''.pioneer''sub''.LoL....we all cant be #1...... ***lanzer cap. a+ wirings/cables/battery.... i know i have no video/mp3 but so. dont need everything to be happy. rf-kicker-jl-re-kenwood....HAHahaHAhAhA...... |
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bob, have you ever actually seen an RE sub? i mean seriously, you think
alpine is rare, the only xxx you've ever seen probably had teenage boys in compromising positions. you talk about the other brands but so far once you get a good deal on one them you love them and talk about how high end you're getting. "bob wald" wrote in message ... please dont be jealous of my alpine-clarion-sherwood-jvc''speakers''.pioneer''sub''.LoL....we all cant be #1...... ***lanzer cap. a+ wirings/cables/battery.... i know i have no video/mp3 but so. dont need everything to be happy. rf-kicker-jl-re-kenwood....HAHahaHAhAhA...... |
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you must be on dope...LOL pioneer iz the bested sub ever......i asked
the sales guy.he told me. re lol..iz tis a joke? |
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