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In , Margaret von B. wrote :


Lionel_Chapuis wrote in message

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"Margaret von B." wrote:


Ah, it is Arny's self-appointed little gerbil. :-)


You prefer to be an hypocrit old whore, eh "Margaret" ?
squeak squeak squeak


:-)


:-D


Margaret


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whosbest54 wrote:
In article ,
says...
Here's a working link:
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkrueger.html

This is all I've seen of the debate other than the posts to this
thread. If there will be audio or video posted to this site, that
would be nice.


As I wrote in another posting, the audio recording of the debate
will be available some time in the next week as a streamed file.
Arny has already assured me that he trsuts me not to change anything
in the mastering of the file. However, I am sending him the original
AIF file so he can compare what we make available on the Stereophile
website with the original.

John, I suggest you correct the spelling of Arny's first name in
the text.


I haven't yet published anything on the debate, so have nothing to
correct. Please be assured that when I do, Arny's name will be
correctly spelled. And as one of the participants, I don't think it
appropriate for Arny or me to write any comments. I will leave that to
members of the audience.

I am sorry about the misspelling of Arny's name. I had registered
him at the Show as "Arnold Krueger," so I do not know why his
name tag said anything different. Put it down to brain fade on
the part of our hard-working event staff.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

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plonk this, Richie.......

"Richard" wrote

But it wasn't broken when it was first posted - was it, Richard?
You have a thing for Arny Krueger?

I can only tell you that, for whatever reason, it did not work for me
yesterday and that is a fact.


Yesterday isn't when it was first posted, dim. It worked when it was
first posted. But you chose to buddy up with Arny. Good choice.

Exactly what kind of "thing" would you be referring to Tom or is this
some kind of homophobic reference? If that is the case, it says
volumes about your character and mental state.


You're full of ****, richie. "Thing" could mean a number of different
things. But you chose to infer a homosexual thing. I guess that says
volumes about you.


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Arny Krueger wrote:
EddieM wrote:
Victor Martell" wrote



Could you be so kind as to post a blow by blow of the proceedings?


http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkreuger.html



Eddie can't get *anything* right, even the simplist thing.

Here's a working link:

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkrueger.html


The first link WAS correct though it was MY FAULT as i, in an honest
error, misspelt Arnie's last name. So i made the appropriate
corrections that were needed in the original file. Please accept my
apology for the error on my part.


The picture of me in question was no doubt taken during Harry Lavo's
108 minute, more or less, marathon

declaration-of-his-beliefs-about-audio-life-God-and-the-meaning-of-soy
-sauce, which he tried to pass off as a question. Why Atkinson didn't
stop him I know not. Harry is an even bigger boor and bore in person
than he is on RAHE. ;-(


Agreed his question was VERY long-winded. The photo was taken at the
very beginning of the debate (i was the person in the red shirt in the
front row just in front of you).

Enjoy the Music,

Steven R. Rochlin
www.EnjoyTheMusic.com



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Arny Krueger wrote:
It's possible that the earlier link worked - if the Enjoythemusic
author couldn't properly spell my name right the first time. It has
happened.

Note that despite my attempts with John to get my first name spelled
"Arny", my name-card at the debate was misspelled.


Will correct the first name error on the website right now. Was going
by your Stereophile show name card. You are 100% correct about my
previous last name error and made the correction. Excellent
observation.

Enjoy the Music,

Steven R. Rochlin
www.EnjoyTheMusic.com

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whosbest54 wrote:
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whosbest54 wrote:
John, I suggest you correct the spelling of Arny's first name in
the text.


I haven't yet published anything on the debate, so have nothing to
correct. Please be assured that when I do, Arny's name will be
correctly spelled.


based on the content of the site I give the URL for below, I had
assumed you had control over the text posted there.


No, there is no connection between Stephen Rochlin's "Enjoy the
Music" audio webzine and Stereophile.

It seems to say that the organization responsible for the site
had something to do with hosting the debate. If I was mistaken,
I apologize.
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkrueger.html

No apology necessary. The debate was hosted by Stereophile at
Primedia's just-finished Home Entertainment 2005 Show in
Manhattan. We unfortuantely spelled Arny as "Arnie" on the tent
card on the presenter's table. Stephen attended the debate as an
independent member of the press and posted his comments at his own
website.

As I said, the audio recording of the debate -- including Arny's
version of the "scream heard around the world" -- will be made
available at www.stereophile.com in the near future.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

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John Atkinson wrote:
whosbest54 wrote: No, there is no connection between Stephen

Rochlin's "Enjoy the
Music" audio webzine and Stereophile.


Agreed, there is no connection. FYI: got a :-) as my first name is
spelt Steven Hey, this is great! For the first time in many
years i am getting joy and a :-) from RAO.

BTW: JA, enjoyed listening to your jazz trio's wonderful musicianship
this afternoon during the show.

Enjoy the Music,

Stephen, er, um, Steven R. Rochlin
www.EnjoyTheMusic.com

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Richard wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote:
Note that despite my attempts with John to get my first name

spelled "Arny", my name-card at the debate was misspelled.


Please note that there were no "attempts." Arny brought the
unfortunate misspelling to my attention when I entered the venue.
I apologized and Arny said it was not a big deal. I thought that
would be the end of the matter.

I am also surprised to hear that someone of John Atkinson's
stature was not together enough to provide promised equipment
for the presentation.


If you read my explanation elsewhere in this thread, you will have
seen that Murphy's Law struck with a vengeance, taking out both the
supplied PC and the backup. Arny could have used my own laptop
for his presentation, but at the possible expense of the promised
recording. I explained what had happened, in the spirit of "the show
must go on," Arny said he would read from printouts of his Powerpoint
slide show, and we went ahead rather than keep the audience waiting
any longer.

I regret these two errors, of course, but please note that everything
else to do with the logistics of Arny Krueger's presentation in New
York appeared to go as planned.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

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John Atkinson wrote:
there is no connection between Stephen Rochlin's "Enjoy the
Music" audio webzine and Stereophile.

Agreed, there is no connection. FYI: got a :-) as my first name is
spelt Steven


Oh ****! Sorry Steven, I have just been copy-editing Stephen
Mejias' Day 4 on-line report from the Show and confused my
"v"s and "ph"es. :-(

JA, enjoyed listening to your jazz trio's wonderful musicianship
this afternoon during the show.


Thanks Steven. I kid my bosses that the real reason Stereophile does
a Show is to give my band a gig once a year :-)

But we did have some other great live music this year, though I still
don't fully get what Medeski Martin + Wood are about. I thought I saw
Arny and Tom Nousaine taking in their concert, BTW.

John Atkinson
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Michael Conzo said:

This, along with your failure to stop the Harry Lavo filibuster,

showed
incredible bias and abuse of Mr. Krueger in my opinion. It wasn't

necessary
to pay equal respect to the audience, for they didn't come to hear
nonsensical audience abuse of Mr. krueger. And your lack of proper
preparation for Mr. Krueger's side of the debate made the effort

clearly
biased by Stereophile. Any competent engineer tests his gear in situ

before
a big gig. Your failures in this regard are frankly inexcusable.


But completely expected.

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John Atkinson said:

I regret these two errors, of course, but please note that everything
else to do with the logistics of Arny Krueger's presentation in New
York appeared to go as planned.


I thought the plan was for Arnii's head to explode. ;-)





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Hi Everyone,

Ok, now that i have corrected the name spelling error (apologies to
all and was quite surprised there was so much debate about it and
slings/arrows thrown), how about we get back to the main subject at
hand? Arny did indeed appear to be less hostile in person. Found this
to be refreshing as the debate appeared to generally STAY ON TOPIC AND
FOLLOW A NATURAL PROGRESSION.

As someone who once truly enjoyed RAO many years ago, this newsgroups
appears to have really degraded. The arguing about spelling errors, the
constant name calling, and personal attacks that have nothing to do
with the topic/subject at hand is quite childish. Would truly enjoy
seeing RAO circa 2000 or so, though that time has long since past (am
referring also to pre Zipser).

So the blow by blow i posted was as fast as i could type and comprehend
without any topic/subject changing editorial. It appears neither JA nor
AK disagree with what was typed by yours truly. While i am leaving for
Munich shortly and may not be able to post here to fully follow this
thread each day, my hopes are that my posting may help to bring a sense
of "Ok, Steven of Enjoy the Music.com made an honest mistake and we
should try to make sure it is properly corrected." There is no need to
call each other names or make personal attacks about it. Could we
please, with sugar on top and a cherry, find a way to bring RAO's S/N
level to more signal?

Debates such as JA vs. AK is a good thing. It showed that two adults
can debate without name calling, personal attacks, etc. If we could
apply this same professionalism here on RAO it would probably be
greatly appreciated by many others. Please feel free to look at RAO's
archives and see how it was in the early days.

Wish everyone here all the very best and hope this post will, in some
small way, help others to see we truly could use more signal. Different
opinions are fine, provided they are debated in an adult manner. IMHO
JA and AK proved that at the PRIMEDIA (Stereophile) show.

Enjoy the Music,

Steven R. Rochlin
www.EnjoyTheMusic.com

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As I said, the audio recording of the debate -- including Arny's
version of the "scream heard around the world" -- will be made
available at www.stereophile.com in the near future.


Gov. Dean was there?



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John Atkinson wrote:
Oh f--k! Sorry Steven, I have just been copy-editing Stephen
Mejias' Day 4 on-line report from the Show and confused my
"v"s and "ph"es. :-(


Totally fine, no worries. Have done the SAME thing myself when
editing articles. When writing for a European magazine, then for my US
publication, i fine it favourable to remember which target country
colours and the proper English employed accordingly

Been a long time since i have really participated here on RAO. This is
as good a time as any


Thanks Steven. I kid my bosses that the real reason Stereophile does
a Show is to give my band a gig once a year :-)





But we did have some other great live music this year, though I still
don't fully get what Medeski Martin + Wood are about.



Agreed some music i simply do not fully understand. The first time i
heard King Crimson in the early 1980's... Now i love those (now old)
recordings.

Enjoy the Music,

Steven R. Rochlin
www.EnjoyTheMusic.com



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"Lionel" wrote in message
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Robert Morein a écrit :
"Michael Conzo" wrote in message
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In article , "John
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That was my fault. To save Mr. Krueger the inconvenience of having
to bring a PC, I had arranged to use one of my company's laptops.
Unfortunately, the Windows password had been changed, I had not
been given the new one, and my division's IT rep was on vacation.
Wes Phillips offered his iBook for Arny to use, but we did not have
a VGA adaptor for that computer's video output.

This, along with your failure to stop the Harry Lavo filibuster, showed
incredible bias and abuse of Mr. Krueger in my opinion.



"Michael Conzo" is actually Brian L. McCarty.
I advise everyone to avoid interaction with this person.
His history on usenet is unsavory, and involves harassment of others on
usenet by identity theft, as well as websites that may have been

attempts at
investment fraud.


We are on RAO Bob !!!

Lionel,
McCarty is not like us. His activities have in the past had the
appearance of investment fraud. His website, "Coral Sea Studios", was at one
time populated by many false endorsements, including my name. His
"worldjazz" website used fictitious front people and stolen identities from
unsuspecting people. I have copies of these pages. Many people suspect him
of email "bombing" and propagation of computer viruses. The FBI determined
that he used a false identity to infiltrate a film project I was running.
Charges were presented by the FBI to the U.S. Attorney's office, District of
Connecticut. At the time, they chose not to prosecute. However, this is a
discretionary choice of the U.S. Attorney's office, even if he may have
violated statutes. The records of the investigation remain in the records of
the FBI, available by subpoena to anyone who wishes to file a civil suit
against him.

Last fall, there was intervention at the level of "head of state" to
stop McCarty's schemes. This appears to have succeeded.

There is no one like McCarty on this group. Everyone I know and argue
with on rao is, IMHO, a good and upstanding citizen. This includes Arny. I
may argue with Arny, and my ridicule may be harsh, but he is someone who I
would change a tire for. As I would for anyone else.

I urge that we not give McCarty or his sockpuppets the legitimacy he
desires. He is not a good man.



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I would present him with a nice necklace.



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Arny Krueger wrote
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How did you prepared in as far as flexing some muscles for this
Debate?


Like I said, I had a plan A and a plan B. Plan B worked and that was
that. My major problem was staying awake while Atkinson, Fremer and
others recounted what should have been forgotten memories of what
should have been their audio childhood.




Thanks for your reply Mr. Krueger. Just as every audiophiles accross
audio newsgroups, I shall look forward to the recorded event of the
Debate on-line courtesy of the Stereophile organization.

Good thing this time, we won't have to be concern with unintentional
misspellings.







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Hi Everyone,

Ok, now that i have corrected the name spelling error (apologies to
all and was quite surprised there was so much debate about it and
slings/arrows thrown), how about we get back to the main subject at
hand? Arny did indeed appear to be less hostile in person. Found this
to be refreshing as the debate appeared to generally STAY ON TOPIC AND
FOLLOW A NATURAL PROGRESSION.

As someone who once truly enjoyed RAO many years ago, this newsgroups
appears to have really degraded. The arguing about spelling errors, the
constant name calling, and personal attacks that have nothing to do
with the topic/subject at hand is quite childish. Would truly enjoy
seeing RAO circa 2000 or so, though that time has long since past (am
referring also to pre Zipser).

So the blow by blow i posted was as fast as i could type and comprehend
without any topic/subject changing editorial. It appears neither JA nor
AK disagree with what was typed by yours truly. While i am leaving for
Munich shortly and may not be able to post here to fully follow this
thread each day, my hopes are that my posting may help to bring a sense
of "Ok, Steven of Enjoy the Music.com made an honest mistake and we
should try to make sure it is properly corrected." There is no need to
call each other names or make personal attacks about it. Could we
please, with sugar on top and a cherry, find a way to bring RAO's S/N
level to more signal?

Debates such as JA vs. AK is a good thing. It showed that two adults
can debate without name calling, personal attacks, etc.


I'm sure you mean well Stephan but the truth is that it was not informative,
it was not stimulating and it was certainly not entertaining. In fact it was
a major snoozefest. Even the Toney vs. Ruiz that I attended on Saturday
night was more of a surprise than the so called "debate". If you know
anything about boxing, it was Ruiz vs. Ruiz kind of matchup.

If we could
apply this same professionalism here on RAO it would probably be
greatly appreciated by many others.


A good idea Stephane but there are too many folks here who have no other
content in their lives and no other avenues to feel their power.

Please feel free to look at RAO's
archives and see how it was in the early days.

Wish everyone here all the very best and hope this post will, in some
small way, help others to see we truly could use more signal. Different
opinions are fine, provided they are debated in an adult manner. IMHO
JA and AK proved that at the PRIMEDIA (Stereophile) show.


The mayoral race here in San Antonio is 1000 times more interesting.

Enjoy the Music,

Steven R. Rochlin
www.EnjoyTheMusic.com


What do you have against the late Mr. Zipser, Mr. Rocklin? I never had the
pleasure of knowing him but in retrospect he was truly a witty and acerbicly
funny man. Men like that are extinct here these days. Sorry but I just
cannot agree with you except on one point. RAO really sucks because audio is
only an excuse to promote some of the most pathetic stuff on God's green
earth. Like one dorj named Festler and his plagiarized ramblings that got
him "published". But some people just love to be caned I guess.

Have a safe trip to Munich Stephanie!











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Clyde Slick wrote:

Robert Morein wrote:


may argue with Arny, and my ridicule may be harsh, but he is someone who I
would change a tire for.


I would present him with a nice necklace.


A Colombian necktie to precede the tire necklace for 'Conzo' McLardo?


GeoSynch




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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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EddieM wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote


EddieM wrote:


Victor Martell wrote


Could you be so kind as to post a blow by blow of the

proceedings?

Eddie can't get *anything* right, even the simplist thing.


It worked last night.


So you say.

Here's a working link:


http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkrueger.html


The picture of me in question was no doubt taken during Harry

Lavo's
108 minute, more or less, marathon

declaration-of-his-beliefs-about-audio-life-God-and-the-meaning-of-soy
-sauce, which he tried to pass off as a question. Why Atkinson

didn't
stop him I know not. Harry is an even bigger boor and bore in

person
than he is on RAHE. ;-(


On second thought, maybe Atkinson needed the comic relief that Harry's
blather provided. Harry kept me from making a couple of critical
points, and Atkinson needed any help he could get.


Is THAT what happened, Mr. Deer-in-the-Headlights? :-) :-) :-)

In fact Atkinson had you in his crosshairs most of the time but being either
a merciful or timid hunter did not pull the trigger, Mr. Deer.

I read that your powerpoint presentation got bungled up, what
was that all about?


Atkinson promised me a working computer and projector. He was a
standard video interconnect cable short of a working set. I manage a
bunch of video projectors at my church


WOW! I did not know you had a managerial background. Be sure to include it
in your resume.

- that exact cable accompanies
every projector that needs it and I have a spare on hand.


Organizing the Stereophile show is certainly nothing compared to that.
Verrry impressive!

As improvrished as the show was for presentation technology - someone
probably stole the cable.


I wondered what that was in Nousiaine's pants. I thought maybe he was just
happy to be with you. LOL!

Atkinson was a no-show with the promised presentation technology. He
seemed to leave everything to the last minute. He apologized but he
screwed up because he did not have his act together.


I agree. Atkinson should have clearly employed your extensive management
talent to pull off the show.

Stuff happens.

The presentation infrastructure failure was not a major bump in my
road. It was not unexpected. I already had working plan "B" ready to
execute. I executed it and moved on.


Too bad it wasn't apparent to the audience. Unless it was your "scared
ostrich" technique. You still have sand in your ears?

My plan "B" was to install the Powerpoint Viewer on the PC in the
press room and run it off so I still had something to speak from. I
knew I was in the back woods of presentation technology when I saw
that neither Powerpoint nor anything like it was already on that
computer. But, I was prepared, I brought my own copy of Powerpoint on
my USB flash drive. I consider PowerPoint and Word to be part of the
minimal configuration of a business computer.

I don't blame Atkinson - the whole show was a major disappointment to
me, based on exactly what failed him, on the grounds of presentation
technology. So, the gross failure of Atkinson's presentation
technology was just a reflection of the backwards context he was
working in.


You blended in that context exceedingly well, I might add.

Back on the topic of audio, I heard a lot of really bad-sounding crap
masquerading as audio gear. For example the Bosendorfer speakers were
really horrid, but nobody seems to have the guts to say so, right out.

Also, it's really pathetic to see so many people trying to wring
something new out of a 6 1/2 woofer and a dome tweeter and still get
it wrong.

I had never heard a modern SET, so I was unprepared for how horrid
they sound with the more complex music. There's a reason why almost
every SET demo I heard was based on a recording of a solo or a very
small group - when somone screwed up and played something a tiny bit
complex the SETs I heard (and I think I visited *every* room) tended
to load up with grunge on massed instruments and voices.

The fact that so many worship at this phoney altar of Luddite SET
technology is a testimonial to the fact that many high enders
apparently don't really listen to gear like us DBT folks do.

Frankly, faced with a choice between listening to good vinyl and your
typical SET, I'd take the vinyl in a heartbeat, tics, pops, and and
tracking distortion included.

A companion from the BAS said that he thought he saw more SETs than
ever. We agreed that this is an example of the depths that good sound
at the show has sunk to.

I walked into one room (I think it was Manley) and saw the glowing
signs that something was probably going to be sonically awry. Instead
I actually heard pretty fair sound. I looked again and noticed that
the output tubes were in pairs. Huzzah, someone had rediscovered 1933
technology. Push-pull can work! Do you realize how sad this is?

But far worse IMO, I saw a lot of really bad amateurish sales
presentations. Most of the advertising agencies must have sent not
their "A" teams but their "zzzzz" teams. If they had used high school
students to run their sales presentations, there would have at least
been some enthusiasm. IME some of the brighter high school students
actually get AV.


I'm sure AV is a piece of cake compared to managing MULTIPLE projectors at a
church.

How did you prepared in as far as flexing some muscles for this

Debate?

Like I said, I had a plan A and a plan B. Plan B worked and that was
that. My major problem was staying awake while Atkinson, Fremer and
others recounted what should have been forgotten memories of what
should have been their audio childhood.


Maybe they had happy childhoods. At least they seemed like a happy group
with no chronic bitterness in them.

If you look at our listening technology the PCABX and the LTT of today
is not the ABX of 10 years ago. We have been refining our evaluation
technology for over 30 years. High end evaluation is locked in a
broken groove - nothing has changed in decades.


Look in the mirror to find why your listening technology has failed. Even
better, listen to the recording.

What was your opponent's greatest strength?


Atkinson demonstrated no strengths. He obviously had nothing of
substance prepared. He looked harried and tired. His critical examples
were decades old. He misstated the outcome of one of his own
experiments.


In that case it is pretty sad that Atkinson handily outperformed you. You
never even got off the starting blocks, Mr. Projector Executive.

There was a rumor that Stereophile was going to be renamed by
Primedia.

And, Atkinson had that master of charm - the Fremer idiot-child, on
his side. Michael threw a major fit after the end of the debate. He
obviously lives in the past far more than the rest. But anybody who
reads his articles in SP should know that.


You could use some of Fremer's qualities, you know. I know it IS sad.

Well, did you had fun yesterday?


I hate to see so much failure and mediocrity, even when I don't I
agree with the core ideals.


I'm glad it felt like home! BTW, you strongly contributed to the above
climate.

The Hilton is still a great venue and the hotel staff seemed to be
really working hard to support the show. All of the service people I
had contact in Manhattan and Queens were great. Maybe all the
unfriendly New Yorkers died in 9/11, no they were innocents that can't
be it. The people I met were nicer than they were the last time I
stayed in Manhattan. BTW, the well-known hotel I stayed in then is no
longer. I hope this does not bode ill for the Hilton. ;-)

I wanted to give the vendors and their advertising agencies lots of
points for professionalism and performance even though many of the
products were sonic crap.


I'm sure they would have appreciated your church projector executive
experience. :-)

But a few bright spots aside, this was a
very dreary show. Can we say same-old, same-old?

How's the food?


Food is not a big thing in my life. I ate at a few different places
that were far from the top. The food was a reasonable value, it kept
me healthy and that was that.

Did you met any luminaries?


I met a few people I know from other Usenet groups. I met a few people
from Primedia. I never really even met Atkinson.

Which one did you find the most interesting?


I was surprised by all the bad-sounding high-end gear and all the
amateurish sales presentations and news conferences.

I did learn one thing, though. After seeing a number of high end audio
systems with cables the size of gas station pneumatic hoses, I figured
out that they were needed to inflate the prices.


I'm glad you enjoyed your trip so much. Next time don't forget to take the
cross on your back.

Good night, Jesus!

Margaret













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Robert Morein a écrit :
"Michael Conzo" wrote in message
...

In article , "John
Atkinson" wrote:


That was my fault. To save Mr. Krueger the inconvenience of having
to bring a PC, I had arranged to use one of my company's laptops.
Unfortunately, the Windows password had been changed, I had not
been given the new one, and my division's IT rep was on vacation.
Wes Phillips offered his iBook for Arny to use, but we did not have
a VGA adaptor for that computer's video output.

This, along with your failure to stop the Harry Lavo filibuster, showed
incredible bias and abuse of Mr. Krueger in my opinion.


"Michael Conzo" is actually Brian L. McCarty.
I advise everyone to avoid interaction with this person.
His history on usenet is unsavory, and involves harassment of others on
usenet by identity theft, as well as websites that may have been

attempts at
investment fraud.


We are on RAO Bob !!!

Lionel,
McCarty is not like us. His activities have in the past had the
appearance of investment fraud. His website, "Coral Sea Studios", was at
one
time populated by many false endorsements, including my name. His
"worldjazz" website used fictitious front people and stolen identities
from
unsuspecting people. I have copies of these pages. Many people suspect him
of email "bombing" and propagation of computer viruses. The FBI determined
that he used a false identity to infiltrate a film project I was running.
Charges were presented by the FBI to the U.S. Attorney's office, District
of
Connecticut. At the time, they chose not to prosecute. However, this is a
discretionary choice of the U.S. Attorney's office, even if he may have
violated statutes. The records of the investigation remain in the records
of
the FBI, available by subpoena to anyone who wishes to file a civil suit
against him.

Last fall, there was intervention at the level of "head of state" to
stop McCarty's schemes. This appears to have succeeded.

There is no one like McCarty on this group. Everyone I know and argue
with on rao is, IMHO, a good and upstanding citizen. This includes Arny. I
may argue with Arny, and my ridicule may be harsh, but he is someone who I
would change a tire for. As I would for anyone else.


I agree with you Bob. I would have an exchange with a tire iron with Arnie
as well.

Cheers!

Margaret




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"GeoSynch" wrote in message
nk.net...
Clyde Slick wrote:

Robert Morein wrote:


may argue with Arny, and my ridicule may be harsh, but he is someone

who I
would change a tire for.


I would present him with a nice necklace.


A Colombian necktie to precede the tire necklace for 'Conzo' McLardo?


GeoSynch

It's mystifying why he's so addicted to sockpuppets.
Even after we found out where he lives, where he works, what he owns, what
land he doesn't own, and who he's tried to go into business with.
Take a look at the below text version of one of his websites, "Coral Seas",
on 11/12/02.
At the time, I was pointing out that he was using fraudulent endorsements.
It seems he wanted to show me he could get away with anything; see line 5.

As for the necktie, it's not necessary. A scammer has great difficulty after
he is exposed. It's like he's been sprayed in fluorescent dye.

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"The First Resort Recording Facility with
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"Tell me when you're booking - I'll be there!" Director/Producer Bob Morein
BUILDING & DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS RECEIVED
ACCESS ROAD OPENED - INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADE STARTED
CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FINALISED
WEBCAM TO BE ACTIVATED SHORTLY
DESIGN TEAM:
ACOUSTIC DESIGN GROUP (U.K.) JOHN FLYNN / SAM TOYOSHIMA
TECHNICAL DESIGN: MARTIN BENGE / NEIL ALDRIDGE (MUSIC)
KEN SKIMMING (FILM, TELEVISION, MULTIMEDIA)
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EQUIPPED WITH EUPHONIX SYSTEM 5- II, DIGIDESIGN PROTOOLS HD,
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ARCHITECT VIEW OF STUDIO BUILDING - OCEANFRONT ELEVATION
Founders & Directors: Brian L. McCarty & Jeffrey Wexler
Asia Market Coordinattor: David C.L. Feng (Livewire Ltd. H.K.)
LIVE SITECAM FEED STARTS LATE NOVEMBER
Coral Sea Studios P.O. Box 31 Clifton Beach, Qld 4879 AUSTRALIA
+61 (07) 4059-2888 +61 (07) 4059-2574 FAX
U.S. Office +1 (310) 388-1054
NOTE: SEVERAL ATTEMPTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO "HACK" INTO THIS WEBSITE AS WELL AS
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IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF EMAIL YOU HAVE RECEIVED OR
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message

"John Atkinson" wrote in message

As I said, the audio recording of the debate -- including Arny's
version of the "scream heard around the world" -- will be made
available at www.stereophile.com in the near future.


Gov. Dean was there?


Surely you mean President Dean.


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But we did have some other great live music this year, though I still
don't fully get what Medeski Martin + Wood are about.



Agreed some music i simply do not fully understand. The first time i
heard King Crimson in the early 1980's... Now i love those (now old)
recordings.


I lost the thread... what exactly does MMW have to do with King Crimson?




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"Margaret von B." wrote in message

I'm sure you mean well Stephan but the truth is that it was not
informative,


A good idea Stephane but there are too many folks here who have no other


Have a safe trip to Munich Stephanie!


Were you high when you wrote this post?

Or is your spelling skill, or lack thereof, inversely proportional to the
length of the of the post.


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Schizoid Man said:

A good idea Stephane but there are too many folks here who have no other


Have a safe trip to Munich Stephanie!


Were you high when you wrote this post?

Or is your spelling skill, or lack thereof, inversely proportional to the
length of the of the post.


Have you ever met Rochy? If so, you wouldn't be so cavalier about the
virtues of artificial highs.





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In , Margaret von B. wrote :


...too many folks here who have no other
content in their lives and no other avenues to feel their power.


Sure that you are speaking about George M. Middius, I'm right yes ?
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Margaret von B. wrote

I agree with you Bob. I would have an exchange with a tire iron with Arnie
as well.


At least you have had a marvellous occasion to slap him in the face and what
have you done ?...
....You have left the room before the end of the debate, creeping like a
worm.

What were you recently writing about people who "who have no other avenues
to feel their power" ?


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In
,
Lionel_Chapuis wrote :

George "Betty Boop" Middius wrote:

No response from Krooger. Admission of lizardness noted.



Since Jim Morrison it's not an insult anymore...


major sucessful attack on your credibility, Middius.


snicker

Shall we compare credibility, O ****ful One? When the video comes online,
we can see if your bite is as bad as your bark. How many times did you
accuse JA of "fraud" to his face? Zero, you say?


Why to accuse JA to be a "fraud", eh George ?
..When the debate has proven that it's true !


*Ooops* !!!! I should have written :
"when the goal of the debate was to prove that it's true".

Personnally I don't think that Mr Atkinson is fraud.
In the world of the shoes-shinning edition, at least from a *technical*
point of view, Stereophile is doing a better job than 99% of the
competition.


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In , Robert Morein wrote :


"Lionel" wrote in message
...
Robert Morein a écrit :
"Michael Conzo" wrote in message
...

In article , "John
Atkinson" wrote:


That was my fault. To save Mr. Krueger the inconvenience of having
to bring a PC, I had arranged to use one of my company's laptops.
Unfortunately, the Windows password had been changed, I had not
been given the new one, and my division's IT rep was on vacation.
Wes Phillips offered his iBook for Arny to use, but we did not have
a VGA adaptor for that computer's video output.

This, along with your failure to stop the Harry Lavo filibuster, showed
incredible bias and abuse of Mr. Krueger in my opinion.


"Michael Conzo" is actually Brian L. McCarty.
I advise everyone to avoid interaction with this person.
His history on usenet is unsavory, and involves harassment of others on
usenet by identity theft, as well as websites that may have been

attempts at
investment fraud.


We are on RAO Bob !!!

Lionel,
McCarty is not like us. His activities have in the past had the
appearance of investment fraud. His website, "Coral Sea Studios", was at
one time populated by many false endorsements, including my name. His
"worldjazz" website used fictitious front people and stolen identities
from unsuspecting people. I have copies of these pages. Many people
suspect him of email "bombing" and propagation of computer viruses. The
FBI determined that he used a false identity to infiltrate a film project
I was running. Charges were presented by the FBI to the U.S. Attorney's
office, District of Connecticut. At the time, they chose not to prosecute.
However, this is a discretionary choice of the U.S. Attorney's office,
even if he may have violated statutes. The records of the investigation
remain in the records of the FBI, available by subpoena to anyone who
wishes to file a civil suit against him.

Last fall, there was intervention at the level of "head of state" to
stop McCarty's schemes. This appears to have succeeded.

There is no one like McCarty on this group. Everyone I know and argue
with on rao is, IMHO, a good and upstanding citizen. This includes Arny. I
may argue with Arny, and my ridicule may be harsh, but he is someone who I
would change a tire for. As I would for anyone else.

I urge that we not give McCarty or his sockpuppets the legitimacy he
desires. He is not a good man.


Sorry Bob I forgot the duplicity of the guy.
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In , Margaret von B. wrote :


I agree with you Bob. I would have an exchange with a tire iron with Arnie
as well.


At least you have had a marvellous occasion to slap him in the face and what
have you done "Margaret" ?...
....You have left the room before the end of the debate, creeping like a
worm.

What were you recently writing about people "who have no other avenues
to feel their power" ?

:-)

Cheers!

Lionel Chapuis
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Margaret von B. wrote:

I agree with you Bob. I would have an exchange with a tire iron with
Arnie as well.


Homocide becomes you, Maggie.


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Mike McKelvy wrote:
Michael Conzo said:

This, along with your failure to stop the Harry Lavo filibuster,
showed incredible bias and abuse of Mr. Krueger in my opinion. It
wasn't necessary to pay equal respect to the audience, for they
didn't come to hear nonsensical audience abuse of Mr. krueger. And
your lack of proper preparation for Mr. Krueger's side of the

debate
made the effort clearly biased by Stereophile. Any competent
engineer tests his gear in situ before a big gig. Your failures in
this regard are frankly inexcusable.


But completely expected.


Agreed. I saw this all coming and prepared for it the best I could.


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The Krooborg puns itself to death.

I agree with you Bob. I would have an exchange with a tire iron with
Arnie as well.


Homocide becomes you, Maggie.


Thank's for admitting Mr. Krooger that, its like you know you we're lying,
before, about the man in the rain-coat. LOt"S! ;-)







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The Big **** crows about his big defeat.

Agreed. I saw this all coming and prepared for it the best I could.


Unfortunately for you, your entirely unscientific preparation of eating a
couple extra TurdBars™ did nothing to energize your feeble mind.



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Margaret von B. wrote:
What do you have against the late Mr. Zipser, Mr. Rocklin? I never

had the
pleasure of knowing him but in retrospect he was truly a witty and

acerbicly
funny man.


Steve was a fun guy and in fact we enjoyed some great meals together.
In fact i hung out with him and stayed in his home in S. FL on the
beach. Was simply giving a timeline.

Have a safe trip to Munich Stephanie!


Thanks. Wheels up in a few hours. Fun fun fun on the autobahn

Enjoy the Music,

Steven R. Rochlin
www.EnjoyTheMusic.com

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Schizoid Man wrote:
"Margaret von B." wrote in

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I'm sure you mean well Stephan but the truth is that it was not
informative,


A good idea Stephane but there are too many folks here who have no

other

Have a safe trip to Munich Stephanie!


Were you high when you wrote this post?

Or is your spelling skill, or lack thereof, inversely proportional to

the
length of the of the post.


This is exactly what i mean. Ok, my name was not spelt correctly in the
post and i can simply ignore it.

Nothing else to see here, move along, move along

Enjoy the Music,

Steven R. Rochlin
www.EnjoyTheMusic.com

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Schizoid Man wrote:
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But we did have some other great live music this year, though I

still
don't fully get what Medeski Martin + Wood are about.



Agreed some music i simply do not fully understand. The first time

i
heard King Crimson in the early 1980's... Now i love those (now

old)
recordings.


I lost the thread... what exactly does MMW have to do with King

Crimson?


You are right, we went off an a tangent. Basically we were discussing
how, perhaps, we might not fully appreciate different musical genres in
today's musicals atmosphere.

Enjoy the Music,

Steven R. Rochlin
www.EnjoyTheMusic.com

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