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Arny vs. Atkinson debat - Could someone post a blow by blow?
Hello
I have to ask a favor to anybody attending the debate (which I believe is tomorrow, 4/29). Could you be so kind as to post a blow by blow of the proceedings? Thnx V |
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"Victor Martell" wrote
I have to ask a favor to anybody attending the debate (which I believe is tomorrow, 4/29). Could you be so kind as to post a blow by blow of the proceedings? It will be recorded and available for download. Is this not adequate? |
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"Tom" wrote in message ... "Victor Martell" wrote I have to ask a favor to anybody attending the debate (which I believe is tomorrow, 4/29). Could you be so kind as to post a blow by blow of the proceedings? It will be recorded and available for download. Is this not adequate? Not for post-betting. |
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Certainly - Just missed that info. However, it could be fun to follow
the thing in real time and comment as it goes, including audience reaction and debaters' expression, body language, etc. V |
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Victor Martell" wrote Could you be so kind as to post a blow by blow of the proceedings? http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkreuger.html WAHH hahahhahahah !! Just saw that teary-eyed picture of Arny K during the Debate. It looks like he still hasn't stop sobbing from that very moment. Lol! I wonder what made him cry. I'm sure he'll come up with something about the flight. Lol! ROTF |
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"EddieM" wrote in message http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkreuger.html WAHH hahahhahahah !! Just saw that teary-eyed picture of Arny K during the Debate. It looks like he still hasn't stop sobbing from that very moment. Lol! I wonder what made him cry. I'm sure he'll come up with something about the flight. Lol! I do think Arny is wrong, when he says that phase integrity is not important. If two speakers are truly out of phase, the audible difference is not only detectable, it is staggering. |
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I think they're talking signal polarity, which I agree isn't
detectable. Switch your speaker terminals and find out if you can tell. I got a couple test CDs with signal polarity reversals and I can't tell at all. But the question was phase integrity which is easy to detect channel to channel errors. How about phase changes at crossover points, thats a more interesting topic for speaker design. I don't think we got the whole question nor the complete answers on the summary. Bring out the movie.... actually those guys are too ugly for video.... audio will more than suffice. ScottW |
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On 29 Apr 2005 23:36:32 -0700, "ScottW" wrote:
I think they're talking signal polarity, which I agree isn't detectable. Switch your speaker terminals and find out if you can tell. I got a couple test CDs with signal polarity reversals and I can't tell at all. But the question was phase integrity which is easy to detect channel to channel errors. How about phase changes at crossover points, thats a more interesting topic for speaker design. I don't think we got the whole question nor the complete answers on the summary. Bring out the movie.... actually those guys are too ugly for video.... audio will more than suffice. ScottW "John says that most of the reviewing in magazines is done singly in a reviewer's system. Arnie argues that you have changed the consciousness of the listener as he is trying to evaluate the device under test so an opinion can not be made without changing the metal state of the listener to the same it was before he changed the amplifier". I don't know if Mr. Rachlin has mischaracterized Arnold's rebuttal, but this is a similar point to the one that says that by inducing a highly unnatural and artificial comparison between very small musical snippets, such as occurs in PCABX protocol, you have "altered" the conciousness of the listener and have made it difficult to evaluate the difference between components. IOW, the mindset (read conciousness) of the listener is far different than it would be if one were listening to systems in a manner more similar to the actual listening that one does when listening for enjoyment. Also, there's the additional stress of the test itself, trying to find differences in such small snatches of musical content. No, it's not white-knuckle stress of being held up at gunpoint like Mr. Ferstler likes to think that I'm saying, but it's stress nonetheless, and far more stress than a test that progesses in a more natural fashion. Any test is, by its very nature, going to alter the conciousness of the listener, so his point is really pretty meaningless, because it's true for all cases of testing. |
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"dave weil" wrote in message ... "John says that most of the reviewing in magazines is done singly in a reviewer's system. Arnie argues that you have changed the consciousness of the listener as he is trying to evaluate the device under test so an opinion can not be made without changing the metal state of the listener to the same it was before he changed the amplifier". Lordy! And he won't concede that listening in the ABX environment changes the conscious state of the listener. Basically, he is saying that the human emotional sate is merely another variable to be eliminated in evaluating a system. BORG ALERT!!! ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote: "dave weil" wrote in message ... "John says that most of the reviewing in magazines is done singly in a reviewer's system. Arnie argues that you have changed the consciousness of the listener as he is trying to evaluate the device under test so an opinion can not be made without changing the metal state of the listener to the same it was before he changed the amplifier". Lordy! And he won't concede that listening in the ABX environment changes the conscious state of the listener. Basically, he is saying that the human emotional sate is merely another variable to be eliminated in evaluating a system. The ideal reviewer: http://snltranscripts.jt.org/89/89mshortterm.phtml Stephen |
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"Schizoid Man" wrote in message ... "EddieM" wrote in message http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkreuger.html WAHH hahahhahahah !! Just saw that teary-eyed picture of Arny K during the Debate. It looks like he still hasn't stop sobbing from that very moment. Lol! I wonder what made him cry. I'm sure he'll come up with something about the flight. Lol! I do think Arny is wrong, when he says that phase integrity is not important. If two speakers are truly out of phase, the audible difference is not only detectable, it is staggering. It is known as absolute polarity, it is the inversion of pahase of both chanels simultaneously. It is not always noticable to me, it tends to be more noticable on cd's and on acoustic or vocal redordings. Sometimes, a cd has the wrong absolute polarity, nad inverting it during playback improvess the sound. Two cd's I remember with inversions are my copy of Jennifer Warnes "Famous Blue Raincoat" and the classic RCA, "The Reiner Sound.". My lp versions are not inverted. My Reiner lp is not original, it is a Clasic Records reissue ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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EddieM wrote:
Victor Martell" wrote Could you be so kind as to post a blow by blow of the proceedings? http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkreuger.html Eddie can't get *anything* right, even the simplist thing. Here's a working link: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkrueger.html The picture of me in question was no doubt taken during Harry Lavo's 108 minute, more or less, marathon declaration-of-his-beliefs-about-audio-life-God-and-the-meaning-of-soy -sauce, which he tried to pass off as a question. Why Atkinson didn't stop him I know not. Harry is an even bigger boor and bore in person than he is on RAHE. ;-( |
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****borg returns to his old pooping grounds. The picture of me in question It's not in question. You look more like a lizard than usual. Harry is an even bigger boor and bore in person than he is on RAHE. ;-( Do you expect us to take your word about somebody else's boorishness? That's like asking Ferstler to rate people's modesty. |
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So according to this writeup.... you folded. Completely different
Kreuger than on RAO showed up. Audio "hygiene"? WTH is that? Sounds like you were stupefied by the situation as exemplified by your metal (sic) state of mind. ScottW |
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George M. Middius wrote:
****borg returns to his old pooping grounds. The picture of me in question It's not in question. You look more like a lizard than usual. So Middius, how many times did you say here that there was no way that I was going to do this debate? |
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ScottW wrote:
So according to this writeup.... you folded. Still can't read, eh scooter? Completely different Kreuger than on RAO showed up. Since my name isn't Kreuger, you have to be talking about a different guy. Audio "hygiene"? WTH is that? I'd explain it to you if I thought you could understand an idea that complex. Sounds like you were stupefied by the situation as exemplified by your metal (sic) state of mind. Post again when you learn to read and spell, Scooter. |
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The Big **** stinks up the joint. ****borg returns to his old pooping grounds. The picture of me in question It's not in question. You look more like a lizard than usual. So Middius, how many times did you say here that there was no way that I was going to do this debate? I'm surprised you showed up, but even more surprised you didn't bring a bag of turds to throw around. Were you humiliated often? Did anybody try to put money in your cup? |
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First Howard reveals the magic surround, now you have a metal state of
mind with a concept of audio hygiene. Should I even bother watching the video when it comes out? Did you make a legit point or did you spin away your time in semantics like a reviewer for Stereophile? That's it! Arny showed up looking for a job. The suit gave it away. Guess the house remodel is costing a bit more than planned. Since Howie announced his impending retirement... you may find a job yet. ScottW |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... EddieM wrote: Victor Martell" wrote Could you be so kind as to post a blow by blow of the proceedings? http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkreuger.html Eddie can't get *anything* right, even the simplist thing. Here's a working link: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkrueger.html Eddies link worked last night. I got the page form that link and read it last night ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Arny Krueger wrote EddieM wrote: Victor Martell wrote Could you be so kind as to post a blow by blow of the proceedings? Eddie can't get *anything* right, even the simplist thing. It worked last night. Here's a working link: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkrueger.html The picture of me in question was no doubt taken during Harry Lavo's 108 minute, more or less, marathon declaration-of-his-beliefs-about-audio-life-God-and-the-meaning-of-soy -sauce, which he tried to pass off as a question. Why Atkinson didn't stop him I know not. Harry is an even bigger boor and bore in person than he is on RAHE. ;-( I read that your powerpoint presentation got bungled up, what was that all about? How did you prepared in as far as flexing some muscles for this Debate? What was your opponent's greatest strength? Well, did you had fun yesterday? How's the food? Did you met any luminaries? Which one did you find interesting the most? |
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EddieM wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: The picture of me in question was no doubt taken during Harry Lavo's 108-minute, more or less, marathon declaration-of-his- beliefs-about-audio-life-God-and-the-meaning-of-soy-sauce, which he tried to pass off as a question. Why Atkinson didn't stop him I know not. Because I allowed and paid the members of the audience the same latitude and respect I allowed you, Mr. Krueger. I read that your powerpoint presentation got bungled up, what was that all about? That was my fault. To save Mr. Krueger the inconvenience of having to bring a PC, I had arranged to use one of my company's laptops. Unfortunately, the Windows password had been changed, I had not been given the new one, and my division's IT rep was on vacation. Wes Phillips offered his iBook for Arny to use, but we did not have a VGA adaptor for that computer's video output. I had the appropriate DVI-VGA adaptor for my PowerBook, but I was already using that computer to record the debate. My thanks, Arny, for your graciousness in agreeing to proceed with the debate without being able to give your PowerPoint presentation. I hope to have the recording available for streaming on our website some time next week. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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"John Atkinson" wrote in message EddieM wrote: I read that your powerpoint presentation got bungled up, what was that all about? That was my fault. To save Mr. Krueger the inconvenience of having to bring a PC, I had arranged to use one of my company's laptops. Unfortunately, the Windows password had been changed, I had not been given the new one, and my division's IT rep was on vacation. Wes Phillips offered his iBook for Arny to use, but we did not have a VGA adaptor for that computer's video output. I had the appropriate DVI-VGA adaptor for my PowerBook, but I was already using that computer to record the debate. Care to upload the PowerPoint, Arny? |
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"Michael Conzo" wrote in message ... In article , "John Atkinson" wrote: That was my fault. To save Mr. Krueger the inconvenience of having to bring a PC, I had arranged to use one of my company's laptops. Unfortunately, the Windows password had been changed, I had not been given the new one, and my division's IT rep was on vacation. Wes Phillips offered his iBook for Arny to use, but we did not have a VGA adaptor for that computer's video output. This, along with your failure to stop the Harry Lavo filibuster, showed incredible bias and abuse of Mr. Krueger in my opinion. "Michael Conzo" is actually Brian L. McCarty. I advise everyone to avoid interaction with this person. His history on usenet is unsavory, and involves harassment of others on usenet by identity theft, as well as websites that may have been attempts at investment fraud. |
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George M. Middius wrote:
The Big **** stinks up the joint. ****borg returns to his old pooping grounds. The picture of me in question It's not in question. You look more like a lizard than usual. So Middius, how many times did you say here that there was no way that I was going to do this debate? I'm surprised you showed up, Under states the fact that my appearance is a major sucessful attack on your credibility, Middius. |
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Clyde Slick wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... EddieM wrote: Victor Martell" wrote Could you be so kind as to post a blow by blow of the proceedings? http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkreuger.html Eddie can't get *anything* right, even the simplist thing. Here's a working link: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkrueger.html Eddies link worked last night. I got the page form that link and read it last night. Prove it. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message Clyde Slick wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message Here's a working link: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkrueger.html Eddies link worked last night. I got the page form that link and read it last night. Prove it. It did, actually. |
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George "Betty Boop" Middius wrote:
The Big **** stinks up the joint. ****borg returns to his old pooping grounds. The picture of me in question It's not in question. You look more like a lizard than usual. So Middius, how many times did you say here that there was no way that I was going to do this debate? I'm surprised you showed up, Poor George, he is so often wrong that his life is a succession of pitiful denials. Under states the fact that my appearance is a major sucessful attack on your credibility, Middius. Don't make the mistake, NostraMiddius hasn't any credibility. He just makes sentences on RAO for narcissitic pleasure only. Apart Middius and his delusion of grandeur, this meeting is a funny setback for all the RAO's moronic spectators who were waiting for a wrestling fight. :-) |
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Robert Morein a écrit :
"Michael Conzo" wrote in message ... In article , "John Atkinson" wrote: That was my fault. To save Mr. Krueger the inconvenience of having to bring a PC, I had arranged to use one of my company's laptops. Unfortunately, the Windows password had been changed, I had not been given the new one, and my division's IT rep was on vacation. Wes Phillips offered his iBook for Arny to use, but we did not have a VGA adaptor for that computer's video output. This, along with your failure to stop the Harry Lavo filibuster, showed incredible bias and abuse of Mr. Krueger in my opinion. "Michael Conzo" is actually Brian L. McCarty. I advise everyone to avoid interaction with this person. His history on usenet is unsavory, and involves harassment of others on usenet by identity theft, as well as websites that may have been attempts at investment fraud. We are on RAO Bob !!! Conzo/McCarty is somewhere right. You can easily imagine the din, the cabal, the mockeries if Arny had made such mistake. I'm sure that without a big effort of imagination you read what Middius would have written. ;-) Now we just hope that, at Stereophile, the reviews are prepared with more care and more seriousness... Now gossips and scandal mongerers can pretend that such lake of professionalism could explain some technical divergences between Atkinson and Krueger... :-D |
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Robert Morein a écrit :
"Michael Conzo" wrote in message ... In article , "John Atkinson" wrote: That was my fault. To save Mr. Krueger the inconvenience of having to bring a PC, I had arranged to use one of my company's laptops. Unfortunately, the Windows password had been changed, I had not been given the new one, and my division's IT rep was on vacation. Wes Phillips offered his iBook for Arny to use, but we did not have a VGA adaptor for that computer's video output. This, along with your failure to stop the Harry Lavo filibuster, showed incredible bias and abuse of Mr. Krueger in my opinion. "Michael Conzo" is actually Brian L. McCarty. I advise everyone to avoid interaction with this person. His history on usenet is unsavory, and involves harassment of others on usenet by identity theft, as well as websites that may have been attempts at investment fraud. We are on RAO Bob !!! Conzo/McCarty is somewhere right. You can easily imagine the din, the cabal, the mockeries if Arny had made such mistake. I'm sure that without a big effort of imagination you can read what Middius would have written. ;-) Now we just hope that, at Stereophile, the reviews are prepared with more care and more seriousness... And we let the gossips and scandal mongerers pretend that such lake of professionalism could explain some technical divergences between Atkinson and Krueger... :-D |
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EddieM wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote EddieM wrote: Victor Martell wrote Could you be so kind as to post a blow by blow of the proceedings? Eddie can't get *anything* right, even the simplist thing. It worked last night. So you say. Here's a working link: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkrueger.html The picture of me in question was no doubt taken during Harry Lavo's 108 minute, more or less, marathon declaration-of-his-beliefs-about-audio-life-God-and-the-meaning-of-soy -sauce, which he tried to pass off as a question. Why Atkinson didn't stop him I know not. Harry is an even bigger boor and bore in person than he is on RAHE. ;-( On second thought, maybe Atkinson needed the comic relief that Harry's blather provided. Harry kept me from making a couple of critical points, and Atkinson needed any help he could get. I read that your powerpoint presentation got bungled up, what was that all about? Atkinson promised me a working computer and projector. He was a standard video interconnect cable short of a working set. I manage a bunch of video projectors at my church - that exact cable accompanies every projector that needs it and I have a spare on hand. As improvrished as the show was for presentation technology - someone probably stole the cable. Atkinson was a no-show with the promised presentation technology. He seemed to leave everything to the last minute. He apologized but he screwed up because he did not have his act together. Stuff happens. The presentation infrastructure failure was not a major bump in my road. It was not unexpected. I already had working plan "B" ready to execute. I executed it and moved on. My plan "B" was to install the Powerpoint Viewer on the PC in the press room and run it off so I still had something to speak from. I knew I was in the back woods of presentation technology when I saw that neither Powerpoint nor anything like it was already on that computer. But, I was prepared, I brought my own copy of Powerpoint on my USB flash drive. I consider PowerPoint and Word to be part of the minimal configuration of a business computer. I don't blame Atkinson - the whole show was a major disappointment to me, based on exactly what failed him, on the grounds of presentation technology. So, the gross failure of Atkinson's presentation technology was just a reflection of the backwards context he was working in. Back on the topic of audio, I heard a lot of really bad-sounding crap masquerading as audio gear. For example the Bosendorfer speakers were really horrid, but nobody seems to have the guts to say so, right out. Also, it's really pathetic to see so many people trying to wring something new out of a 6 1/2 woofer and a dome tweeter and still get it wrong. I had never heard a modern SET, so I was unprepared for how horrid they sound with the more complex music. There's a reason why almost every SET demo I heard was based on a recording of a solo or a very small group - when somone screwed up and played something a tiny bit complex the SETs I heard (and I think I visited *every* room) tended to load up with grunge on massed instruments and voices. The fact that so many worship at this phoney altar of Luddite SET technology is a testimonial to the fact that many high enders apparently don't really listen to gear like us DBT folks do. Frankly, faced with a choice between listening to good vinyl and your typical SET, I'd take the vinyl in a heartbeat, tics, pops, and and tracking distortion included. A companion from the BAS said that he thought he saw more SETs than ever. We agreed that this is an example of the depths that good sound at the show has sunk to. I walked into one room (I think it was Manley) and saw the glowing signs that something was probably going to be sonically awry. Instead I actually heard pretty fair sound. I looked again and noticed that the output tubes were in pairs. Huzzah, someone had rediscovered 1933 technology. Push-pull can work! Do you realize how sad this is? But far worse IMO, I saw a lot of really bad amateurish sales presentations. Most of the advertising agencies must have sent not their "A" teams but their "zzzzz" teams. If they had used high school students to run their sales presentations, there would have at least been some enthusiasm. IME some of the brighter high school students actually get AV. How did you prepared in as far as flexing some muscles for this Debate? Like I said, I had a plan A and a plan B. Plan B worked and that was that. My major problem was staying awake while Atkinson, Fremer and others recounted what should have been forgotten memories of what should have been their audio childhood. If you look at our listening technology the PCABX and the LTT of today is not the ABX of 10 years ago. We have been refining our evaluation technology for over 30 years. High end evaluation is locked in a broken groove - nothing has changed in decades. What was your opponent's greatest strength? Atkinson demonstrated no strengths. He obviously had nothing of substance prepared. He looked harried and tired. His critical examples were decades old. He misstated the outcome of one of his own experiments. There was a rumor that Stereophile was going to be renamed by Primedia. And, Atkinson had that master of charm - the Fremer idiot-child, on his side. Michael threw a major fit after the end of the debate. He obviously lives in the past far more than the rest. But anybody who reads his articles in SP should know that. Well, did you had fun yesterday? I hate to see so much failure and mediocrity, even when I don't I agree with the core ideals. The Hilton is still a great venue and the hotel staff seemed to be really working hard to support the show. All of the service people I had contact in Manhattan and Queens were great. Maybe all the unfriendly New Yorkers died in 9/11, no they were innocents that can't be it. The people I met were nicer than they were the last time I stayed in Manhattan. BTW, the well-known hotel I stayed in then is no longer. I hope this does not bode ill for the Hilton. ;-) I wanted to give the vendors and their advertising agencies lots of points for professionalism and performance even though many of the products were sonic crap. But a few bright spots aside, this was a very dreary show. Can we say same-old, same-old? How's the food? Food is not a big thing in my life. I ate at a few different places that were far from the top. The food was a reasonable value, it kept me healthy and that was that. Did you met any luminaries? I met a few people I know from other Usenet groups. I met a few people from Primedia. I never really even met Atkinson. Which one did you find the most interesting? I was surprised by all the bad-sounding high-end gear and all the amateurish sales presentations and news conferences. I did learn one thing, though. After seeing a number of high end audio systems with cables the size of gas station pneumatic hoses, I figured out that they were needed to inflate the prices. |
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John Atkinson wrote:
EddieM wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: The picture of me in question was no doubt taken during Harry Lavo's 108-minute, more or less, marathon declaration-of-his- beliefs-about-audio-life-God-and-the-meaning-of-soy-sauce, which he tried to pass off as a question. Why Atkinson didn't stop him I know not. Because I allowed and paid the members of the audience the same latitude and respect I allowed you, Mr. Krueger. I didn't come a thousand miles to have my time wasted in great volume by idiots like Harry Lavo. |
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Schizoid Man wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in message EddieM wrote: I read that your powerpoint presentation got bungled up, what was that all about? That was my fault. To save Mr. Krueger the inconvenience of having to bring a PC, I had arranged to use one of my company's laptops. Unfortunately, the Windows password had been changed, I had not been given the new one, and my division's IT rep was on vacation. Wes Phillips offered his iBook for Arny to use, but we did not have a VGA adaptor for that computer's video output. I had the appropriate DVI-VGA adaptor for my PowerBook, but I was already using that computer to record the debate. Care to upload the PowerPoint, Arny? This is a text-only newsgroup. I'll see if I can work something out. |
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Michael Conzo wrote:
In article , "John Atkinson" wrote: That was my fault. To save Mr. Krueger the inconvenience of having to bring a PC, I had arranged to use one of my company's laptops. Unfortunately, the Windows password had been changed, I had not been given the new one, and my division's IT rep was on vacation. Wes Phillips offered his iBook for Arny to use, but we did not have a VGA adaptor for that computer's video output. This, along with your failure to stop the Harry Lavo filibuster, showed incredible bias and abuse of Mr. Krueger in my opinion. It wasn't necessary to pay equal respect to the audience, for they didn't come to hear nonsensical audience abuse of Mr. krueger. Thank you. A muzzle for Fremer would have also been a good idea. And your lack of proper preparation for Mr. Krueger's side of the debate made the effort clearly biased by Stereophile. Any competent engineer tests his gear in situ before a big gig. Your failures in this regard are frankly inexcusable. The infrastructure failure is more excusable if you consider the context - HE2005 was a IMO wasteland of modern and competent presentation technology. |
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Robert Morein wrote:
"Michael Conzo" wrote in message ... In article , "John Atkinson" wrote: That was my fault. To save Mr. Krueger the inconvenience of having to bring a PC, I had arranged to use one of my company's laptops. Unfortunately, the Windows password had been changed, I had not been given the new one, and my division's IT rep was on vacation. Wes Phillips offered his iBook for Arny to use, but we did not have a VGA adaptor for that computer's video output. This, along with your failure to stop the Harry Lavo filibuster, showed incredible bias and abuse of Mr. Krueger in my opinion. "Michael Conzo" is actually Brian L. McCarty. This would be an unproven claim. I advise everyone to avoid interaction with this person. I advise everybody to avoid interaction with Morein because he's nuts. His history on usenet is unsavory, and involves harassment of others... If irony killed! |
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"Lionel" wrote in message Apart Middius and his delusion of grandeur, this meeting is a funny setback for all the RAO's moronic spectators who were waiting for a wrestling fight. You hit the nail on the head, Lionel. |
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George "Betty Boop" Middius wrote:
"Something in the air... stinks" I see that you still have sphincters loosening, eh George ? ---------- Sent via SPRACI - http://www.spraci.com/ - Parties,Raves,Clubs,Festivals |
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George "Betty Boop" Middius wrote:
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Richard wrote:
"Clyde Slick" wrote: Eddies link worked last night. I got the page form that link and read it last night Not for me! I got the same error message when trying to access it today as then: The page cannot be found The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. It was broken then and remains broken but the one Arny Krueger posted works. It's possible that the earlier link worked - if the Enjoythemusic author couldn't properly spell my name right the first time. It has happened. Note that despite my attempts with John to get my first name spelled "Arny", my name-card at the debate was misspelled. |
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You know the debate didn't go well because the Kroo is in full "debating trade" stride immediately afterward. http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkreuger.html http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi200...onkrueger.html Eddies link worked last night. I got the page form that link and read it last night. Prove it. Stop whining, Arnii. Rochy fixed a spelling error in the original URL (your name). You frequently use typos to score your "debating trade" points. Here's a case of somebody fixing a typo, and you, in response, denying the existence of something we can all see plainly. Does your "debating trade" rulebook give you that kind of flexibility, or are you just being a ****? |
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