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I think Scott actually gets most of his information about politics,
the military and other topics from RAO. I believe he sees a blog post
that catches his interest and uses us as a sounding board. He then
goes out into the real world armed with a more balanced view of the
topic. He's just too much of an asshole to give us credit for
educating him about these issues.

Oh, what am I talking about? He's a tool.
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vinyl anachronist said:

I think Scott actually gets most of his information about politics,
the military and other topics from RAO. I believe he sees a blog post
that catches his interest and uses us as a sounding board. He then
goes out into the real world armed with a more balanced view of the
topic. He's just too much of an asshole to give us credit for
educating him about these issues.

Oh, what am I talking about? He's a tool.


Right the second time.

I think when Witless said he comes to do battle with the "liberal" dragon,
he was sincere. He believes he can slay our pernicious smartness and "save"
America through endless yapping on RAO.


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vinyl anachronist wrote:

I think Scott actually gets most of his information about politics,
the military and other topics from RAO. I believe he sees a blog post
that catches his interest and uses us as a sounding board. He then
goes out into the real world armed with a more balanced view of the
topic. He's just too much of an asshole to give us credit for
educating him about these issues.

Oh, what am I talking about? He's a tool.


No, he holds on to bad info pretty much forever. Look how he brought up
that Cronkite Vietnam defeat thing. Back when I was taking him
seriously, I looked up the source of that canard and found that it was
attributed to a book and speeches by a former VietCong propaganda
minister. And the book doesn't exist. Oh, well.


In the interest of accuracy you can feel free to research this topic
yourselves.

The two Vietnamese Army representatives I think Stephen is claiming I
refferred
to are
Vo Nguyen Giap, commander in chief of the People's Army of Vietnam throughout
the war against the United States.
and/or
Bui Tin, an officer on the General Staff of the NVA.

Both have written numerous books and given interviews on the subject.

Here's an interview with Tin.
http://www.viet-myths.net/buitin.htm

and one with Giap.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/peoplescentu...aptranscript.h
tml

Feel free to conduct your own search and draw your own conclusions.
Stephen's recollection, is as usual for him, distorted by his ideology.


Hi, nym-shifter! Please cite the "numerous books" on the subject to
which you refer. While you're at it, please explain the chronology of
the Vietnamese military actions compared to the date of Cronkite's
statement.

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On Sep 19, 11:54�am, ScottW2 wrote:
On Sep 19, 9:37�am, vinyl anachronist
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I think Scott actually gets most of his information about politics,
the military and other topics from RAO. I believe he sees a blog post
that catches his interest and uses us as a sounding board. He then
goes out into the real world armed with a more balanced view of the
topic. He's just too much of an asshole to give us credit for
educating him about these issues.


Oh, what am I talking about? He's a tool.


�More mud from the self proclaimed sty cleaner.
�It's all he's got.


It's enough to send you into a tizzy.
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Oh, what am I talking about? He's a tool.


?More mud from the self proclaimed sty cleaner.
?It's all he's got.


It's enough to send you into a tizzy.


Witless has lost many more friends on Usenet than you have. So there.




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In article ,
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In the interest of accuracy you can feel free to research this topic
yourselves.

The two Vietnamese Army representatives I think Stephen is claiming I
refferred
to are
Vo Nguyen Giap, commander in chief of the People's Army of Vietnam throughout
the war against the United States.
and/or
Bui Tin, an officer on the General Staff of the NVA.

Both have written numerous books and given interviews on the subject.

Here's an interview with Tin.
http://www.viet-myths.net/buitin.htm

and one with Giap.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/peoplescentu...aptranscript.h
tml

Feel free to conduct your own search and draw your own conclusions.
Stephen's recollection, is as usual for him, distorted by his ideology.


No, my recollection is from my research from last time around.

http://hnn.us/roundup/archives/16/2004/10/#8232

Ed Moise ... [in a review of] Vo Nguyen Giap and Van Tien Dung, How We
Won the War. Philadelphia: Recon Publications, 1976. 63 pp.:

This book has been the subject of several unfounded rumors on the
Internet. The first one began in the late 1990s. Supposedly, General
Giap had written in How We Won the War that in the aftermath of the Tet
Offensive of 1968, the Communist leaders in Vietnam had been ready to
abandon the war, but that a broadcast by Walter Cronkite, declaring the
Tet Offensive a Communist victory, persuaded them to change their minds
and fight on. This rumor was entirely false. Giap had not mentioned
Cronkite, and had not said the Communists had ever considered giving up
on the war.

Several variants of this rumor appeared in 2004. In these, Giap is
supposed to have credited either the American anti-war movement in
general, or John Kerry's organization (Vietnam Veterans Against the War)
in particular, for persuading the Communist leaders to change their
minds and not give up on the war. Giap is sometimes said to have made
this statement in How We Won the War, sometimes in an unnamed 1985
memoir. All versions of the rumor are false. Neither in How We Won the
War, nor in any other book (the 1985 memoir is entirely imaginary), has
Giap mentioned Kerry or Vietnam Veterans Against the War, or said that
the Communist leaders had ever considered giving up on the war."

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On Sep 19, 12:47*pm, "ScottW" wrote:

In the interest of accuracy you can feel free to research this topic yourselves.


No. Your claim, you provide the proof.

That's how smart people do it, 2pid.
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On Sep 19, 9:03*pm, ScottW2 wrote:

In reality, the only thing they accomplished was political in part
thanks to Walter.


The conclusion is not supported by the material you posted.

Oh well, back to the drawing board!
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On Sep 19, 1:56*pm, George M. Middius
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I think when [ScottW] said he comes to do battle with
the "liberal" dragon, he was sincere. He believes he
can slay our pernicious smartness and "save"
America through endless yapping on RAO.


Shades of Howard Ferstler and his famous
"wrecking ball." :-)

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I think when [ScottW] said he comes to do battle with
the "liberal" dragon, he was sincere. He believes he
can slay our pernicious smartness and "save"
America through endless yapping on RAO.


Shades of Howard Ferstler and his famous
"wrecking ball." :-)


Speaking of Howard, I see that he's again (still?) writing for Sensible
Sound. I thought that he retired.


I'd guess Mrs. Ferstler unretired him.


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Witless has lost many more friends on Usenet than you have. So there.


As far as I know 2pid only ever had Clyde.

Were there others at some point?
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Here's an interview with Tin.http://www.viet-myths.net/buitin.htm


"America lost because of its democracy;"
"Train South Vietnam's generals. The junior South Vietnamese officers
were good, competent and courageous, but the commanding general
officers were inept."
"Cut the Ho Chi Minh trail inside Laos. If Johnson had granted [Gen.
William] Westmoreland's requests to enter Laos and block the Ho Chi
Minh trail, Hanoi could not have won the war."

So according to your source, all the US had to do to win in Vietnam
was to give up our democracy, replace the General Staff of the ARVN
and declare war on another country. Add in get rid of the corruption
in Vietnamese leadership and escalate further and perhaps we would
have had a chance. LoL.

So what are you yapping about? LoL.

and one with Giap.http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/peoplescentu...lawars/giaptra...


"Who, then, were the ones defeated? Those who were after aggression at
any price."

You lost, 2pid. Poor you. LoL.
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Witless has lost many more friends on Usenet than you have. So there.


As far as I know 2pid only ever had Clyde.
Were there others at some point?


Oh yes. Well, if you count RAO alliances, that is. He was friends with most
of the 'borgs and nerds, including Harold and the Kroo. Curiously, he hated
Paula Wagnerette and Gregipus, but because I was hostile to them, Witless
tried to nuzzle them.

It's all so sordid.




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*"ScottW" wrote:
In the interest of accuracy you can feel free to research this topic
yourselves.


The two Vietnamese Army representatives I think Stephen is claiming I
refferred
to are
Vo Nguyen Giap, commander in chief of the People's Army of Vietnam throughout
the war against the United States.
and/or
Bui Tin, an officer on the General Staff of the NVA.


Both have written numerous books and given interviews on the subject.


Here's an interview with Tin.
http://www.viet-myths.net/buitin.htm


and one with Giap.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/peoplescentu...lawars/giaptra...
tml


Feel free to conduct your own search and draw your own conclusions.
Stephen's recollection, is as usual for him, distorted by his ideology.


No, my recollection is from my research from last time around.

http://hnn.us/roundup/archives/16/2004/10/#8232

Ed Moise ... [in a review of] Vo Nguyen Giap and Van Tien Dung, How We
Won the War. Philadelphia: Recon Publications, 1976. 63 pp.:

* * This book has been the subject of several unfounded rumors on the
Internet. The first one began in the late 1990s. Supposedly, General
Giap had written in How We Won the War that in the aftermath of the Tet
Offensive of 1968, the Communist leaders in Vietnam had been ready to
abandon the war, but that a broadcast by Walter Cronkite, declaring the
Tet Offensive a Communist victory, persuaded them to change their minds
and fight on. This rumor was entirely false. Giap had not mentioned
Cronkite, and had not said the Communists had ever considered giving up
on the war.

* * Several variants of this rumor appeared in 2004. In these, Giap is
supposed to have credited either the American anti-war movement in
general, or John Kerry's organization (Vietnam Veterans Against the War)
in particular, for persuading the Communist leaders to change their
minds and not give up on the war. Giap is sometimes said to have made
this statement in How We Won the War, sometimes in an unnamed 1985
memoir. All versions of the rumor are false. Neither in How We Won the
War, nor in any other book (the 1985 memoir is entirely imaginary), has
Giap mentioned Kerry or Vietnam Veterans Against the War, or said that
the Communist leaders had ever considered giving up on the war."


See also:

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/giap.asp

If it makes Snopes it might as well be an Ethiopian Prince who needs
help getting the contents of his bank account to the US. LoL.
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On Sep 19, 6:31*pm, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article ,





*"ScottW" wrote:
In the interest of accuracy you can feel free to research this topic
yourselves.


The two Vietnamese Army representatives I think Stephen is claiming I
refferred
to are
Vo Nguyen Giap, commander in chief of the People's Army of Vietnam
throughout
the war against the United States.
and/or
Bui Tin, an officer on the General Staff of the NVA.


Both have written numerous books and given interviews on the subject.


Here's an interview with Tin.
http://www.viet-myths.net/buitin.htm


and one with Giap.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/peoplescentu...lawars/giaptra...
tml


Feel free to conduct your own search and draw your own conclusions.
Stephen's recollection, is as usual for him, distorted by his ideology.


No, my recollection is from my research from last time around.

http://hnn.us/roundup/archives/16/2004/10/#8232

Ed Moise ... [in a review of] Vo Nguyen Giap and Van Tien Dung, How We
Won the War. Philadelphia: Recon Publications, 1976. 63 pp.:


quote snip

See also:

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/giap.asp

If it makes Snopes it might as well be an Ethiopian Prince who needs
help getting the contents of his bank account to the US. LoL.


Bui Tin is the propaganda officer to whom I referred. I think I cited
Moises last time around, too, so Scott has already seen it! IIRC, he
rejects evidence he considers too "academic."

Stephen
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Witless has lost many more friends on Usenet than you have. So there.


As far as I know 2pid only ever had Clyde.

Were there others at some point?


Yeah...me, unfortunately.
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I think when [ScottW] said he comes to do battle with
the "liberal" dragon, he was sincere. He believes he
can slay our pernicious smartness and "save"
America through endless yapping on RAO.


Shades of Howard Ferstler and his famous
"wrecking ball." :-)


Your comparison is apt, John, but I'm mystified as to why
you keep bowdlerizing my nicknames for certain individuals.


After the furore over my quoting someone's term for Mrs.
Krueger, I guess I am gunshy, George.

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On Sep 20, 2:39*pm, George M. Middius
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After the furore over my quoting someone's term for Mrs.
Krueger, I guess I am gunshy, George.


Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?

I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
about it.


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On Sep 21, 12:56�pm, wrote:

On Sep 20, 2:39�pm, George M. Middius
wrote:
After the furore over my quoting someone's term for Mrs.
Krueger, I guess I am gunshy, George.


Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?

I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
about it.


He's been running away a lot lately.
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On Sep 21, 6:15*pm, vinyl anachronist
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On Sep 21, 6:11 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Sep 21, 12:56 pm, wrote:


On Sep 20, 2:39 pm, George M. Middius
wrote:
After the furore over my quoting someone's term for Mrs.
Krueger, I guess I am gunshy, George.


Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?


I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
about it.


He's been running away a lot lately.


He doesn't ever "run away". He is just silently agreeing with you.
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On Sep 21, 6:11 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"


wrote:
On Sep 21, 12:56 pm, wrote:


On Sep 20, 2:39 pm, George M. Middius
wrote:
After the furore over my quoting someone's term for Mrs.
Krueger, I guess I am gunshy, George.


Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?


I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
about it.


He's been running away a lot lately.


He doesn't ever "run away". He is just silently agreeing with you.


That makes sense. LoL.

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Shhhh! said:

Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?

I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
about it.


Did I ask him about that? I don't recall. My reaction would more likely have
been "Who cares about 'accuracy'? What matters is whether they sound good to
you."

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Shhhh! said:

Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?


I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
about it.


Did I ask him about that? I don't recall. My reaction would more likely have
been "Who cares about 'accuracy'? What matters is whether they sound good to
you."


Quad ESLs. Krell amp. Yamaha preamp. Mitsubishi turntable. Draw your
own conclusions about Scott's ideas on "accuracy."


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Shhhh! said:

Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?


I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
about it.


Did I ask him about that? I don't recall. My reaction would more likely have
been "Who cares about 'accuracy'? What matters is whether they sound good to
you."


When 2pid claimed he loved the "accuracy" of his Orions you asked him
how he knew they were "accurate" at all.

2pid 'bravely' ran away from you.
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Shhhh! said:

Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?


I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
about it.


Did I ask him about that? I don't recall. My reaction would more likely have
been "Who cares about 'accuracy'? What matters is whether they sound good to
you."


When 2pid claimed he loved the "accuracy" of his Orions you asked him
how he knew they were "accurate" at all.

2pid 'bravely' ran away from you.


Oh, I think I remember now. Isn't that whole 'accuracy' canard a huge joke?
Even if you value it for some unfathomable reason, the only way to verify it
is with a bunch of meaningless "tests".

One lesson Witlessmongrel never learned is that whatever the Krooborg
advocates is inevitably the worst possible choice for Normals.


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Shhhh! said:

Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?


I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
about it.


Did I ask him about that? I don't recall. My reaction would more likely have
been "Who cares about 'accuracy'? What matters is whether they sound good to
you."


When 2pid claimed he loved the "accuracy" of his Orions you asked him
how he knew they were "accurate" at all.


2pid 'bravely' ran away from you.


Oh, I think I remember now. Isn't that whole 'accuracy' canard a huge joke?
Even if you value it for some unfathomable reason, the only way to verify it
is with a bunch of meaningless "tests".

One lesson Witlessmongrel never learned is that whatever the Krooborg
advocates is inevitably the worst possible choice for Normals.


Be careful...Scott likes to run away whenever audio topics are
discussed on an audio newsgroup. He's out of his element.
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On Sep 21, 8:08*pm, George M. Middius
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Shhhh! said:

Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?


I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
about it.


Did I ask him about that? I don't recall. My reaction would more likely have
been "Who cares about 'accuracy'? What matters is whether they sound good to
you."


When 2pid claimed he loved the "accuracy" of his Orions you asked him
how he knew they were "accurate" at all.


2pid 'bravely' ran away from you.


Oh, I think I remember now. Isn't that whole 'accuracy' canard a huge joke?
Even if you value it for some unfathomable reason, the only way to verify it
is with a bunch of meaningless "tests".


How can you like something that isn't "accurate"?

SETs (for example) are not my cup of tea, but if you like them be my
guest.

One lesson Witlessmongrel never learned is that whatever the Krooborg
advocates is inevitably the worst possible choice for Normals.


Insanity is like that.
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Shhhh! said:


Has SP ever measured home-built Orion speakers?


I'm still trying to verify 2pid's claim that they're "more accurate"
than other speakers. He ran away from that one when George asked him
about it.


Did I ask him about that? I don't recall. My reaction would more likely have
been "Who cares about 'accuracy'? What matters is whether they sound good to
you."


When 2pid claimed he loved the "accuracy" of his Orions you asked him
how he knew they were "accurate" at all.


2pid 'bravely' ran away from you.


Oh, I think I remember now. Isn't that whole 'accuracy' canard a huge joke?
Even if you value it for some unfathomable reason, the only way to verify it
is with a bunch of meaningless "tests".


One lesson Witlessmongrel never learned is that whatever the Krooborg
advocates is inevitably the worst possible choice for Normals.


Be careful...Scott likes to run away whenever audio topics are
discussed on an audio newsgroup. He's out of his element.


Stupidity is like that.


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temporary, but I thought that I'd check in to see if anything is
different, and I see three topics of interest...)


Irresistable opportunities to name-drop?


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"Jenn" wrote :

(Please forgive my intrusion back to the group. It's probably
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different, and I see three topics of interest...)


Irresistable opportunities to name-drop?


Nope, just the truth.
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"Jenn" wrote :


(Please forgive my intrusion back to the group. *It's probably
temporary, but I thought that I'd check in to see if anything is
different, and I see three topics of interest...)


Irresistable opportunities to name-drop?


Nope, just the truth.


sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.
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Sacky beats the hell out of the drum.

Nope, just the truth.


sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.


Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women ?


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Sacky beats the hell out of the drum.

Nope, just the truth.


sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.


Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women ?


"At least" I have a deep seated desire for women!


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In article
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Clyde Slick wrote:

On Sep 26, 2:43*am, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
*"James Smith" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote :


(Please forgive my intrusion back to the group. *It's probably
temporary, but I thought that I'd check in to see if anything is
different, and I see three topics of interest...)


Irresistable opportunities to name-drop?


Nope, just the truth.


sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.


Sometimes you do come off as a drunk. We all have our own burdens to
bear.

So Stephen (IIRC) mentioned someone who I knew and was very fond of, and
I posted my thoughts on her. A high crime, for sure.
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On Sep 26, 5:57*am, George M. Middius
wrote:
Sacky beats the hell out of the drum.

Nope, just the truth.


sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.


Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women ?


"At least" I have a deep seated desire for women!


That makes two of us.
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In article

,

Jenn wrote:

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On Sep 26, 2:43*am, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
*"James Smith" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote :

(Please forgive my intrusion back to the group. *It's probably
temporary, but I thought that I'd check in to see if anything is
different, and I see three topics of interest...)

Irresistable opportunities to name-drop?

Nope, just the truth.


sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.


Sometimes you do come off as a drunk. We all have our own burdens to
bear.

So Stephen (IIRC) mentioned someone who I knew and was very fond of, and
I posted my thoughts on her. A high crime, for sure.


I'm happy you shared. I knew you mentioned playing gigs and I wondered
if you had memories of Mary. I had no idea you had a friendship!

Name-dropping would be me mentioning the time I rode in an Indiana
University elevator with James Galway. He's short, but still taller than
the guitarist he was touring with, Kazuhito Yama****a.

Scottie and Sackie seem to be in attack mode at all times. Kinda trollie.

Stephen
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Jenn said:

sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.

Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women? ?


"At least" I have a deep seated desire for women!


That makes two of us.


Scottie told Sacky your not normal, he believed it, your going to burn in
Hell.


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In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:

Jenn said:

sometimes you do come off as a fawning sycophant.

Does Scottie know about your deep-seated fear of women? ?

"At least" I have a deep seated desire for women!


That makes two of us.


Scottie told Sacky your not normal, he believed it, your going to burn in
Hell.


OK, thanks.
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