I sent this email to: '

"Greetings,

I am an "audio quack" as you would put it. I can hear sonic differences
between amplifiers, CD players, even WIRE, speaker wire. Is your
challenge applicable to, for instance, speaker cables? The self made
speaker cables I am currently using (you are free to measure and examine
these using pink noise, etc, prior to putting them to the test) against
radioshack lamp cords. I am claiming that I can hear the difference as
to which is employed each and every time. Since "wire is wire" this must
fall into the realm of your challenge.

I do have my reservations though:

!) A revealing amplifier (densen beat b 100 mk5, for instance), high
quality speakers (sonus faber cremona floorstanders for instance) and a
decent CD player will be used to conduct the test.

!!) No abx comparator boxes in between, the wires should be interchanged
manually.

!!!) Someone I trust (but of course I will not have any sort of eye
contact, or any form of other contact with him/her duration of the test)
to actually observe that the wires are being changed (or not) and the
data recorded"


James Randi replied that:

"There are big differences between lamp cord and larger-gauge cable.
That's not the question, at all. Wire is not wire. I accept that."

More on "challenging the million dollar challenge" later. This post,
on a FYI basis.

"Fella" wrote in message

I sent this email to: '

"Greetings,

I am an "audio quack" as you would put it. I can hear sonic
differences between amplifiers, CD players, even WIRE, speaker wire.
Is your challenge applicable to, for instance, speaker cables? The
self made speaker cables I am currently using (you are free to
measure and examine these using pink noise, etc, prior to putting
them to the test) against radioshack lamp cords. I am claiming that I
can hear the difference as to which is employed each and every time.

Since "wire is wire" this must fall into the realm of your challenge.


Shows how little you understand about the "wire is wire" claim, Fella.
Nobody is saying that 36 gauge magnet wire when used as speaker cable will
sound just like 12 gauge heavy speaker wire. Well, apparently nobody but
you!

James Randi replied that:

"There are big differences between lamp cord and larger-gauge cable.
That's not the question, at all. Wire is not wire. I accept that."

Randi obviously knows that the "wire is wire" claim relates to wire of
similar size and length. But, it's quite clear that you don't, Fella.

So consider this a little friendly advice. "Wire is wire" applies to wires
of similar size and length.

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Fella" wrote in message


I sent this email to: '

"Greetings,

I am an "audio quack" as you would put it. I can hear sonic
differences between amplifiers, CD players, even WIRE, speaker wire.
Is your challenge applicable to, for instance, speaker cables? The
self made speaker cables I am currently using (you are free to
measure and examine these using pink noise, etc, prior to putting
them to the test) against radioshack lamp cords. I am claiming that I
can hear the difference as to which is employed each and every time.


Since "wire is wire" this must fall into the realm of your challenge.



Shows how little you understand about the "wire is wire" claim, Fella.

None of that cocky attitude now you cockhead ****! If you are going to
addrss me you better mind your manners or I will beat the living ****
out of that soulless ****borg existence of yours (virtualy that is
just as before so watch it.

Nobody is saying that 36 gauge magnet wire when used as speaker cable will
sound just like 12 gauge heavy speaker wire.

He never asked anything about gauge or length, or any magnets therein. I
can also hear the HUUUUUUGE difference between stock rca connectors and
audioquest anacondas, for instance, both of them being one meter in
length. So could you, if you would teach yourself to listen.


Well, apparently nobody but
you!

Mind your manners you **** of a dumbduck. Besides, why the anger? Why
the exclamation marks?? If I am missing some obvious point that
everybody else knows shouldn't you be sneering and making jackal
hounding laughing noises, making fun of me?? WHY THE ANGER YOU ****!?!?!



James Randi replied that:

"There are big differences between lamp cord and larger-gauge cable.
That's not the question, at all. Wire is not wire. I accept that."


Randi obviously knows that the "wire is wire" claim relates to wire of
similar size and length.


You are full of horse**** you ****. Size or length was not mentioned
there! How do you know, or Randi for that matter, what is the "gauge" of
my speaker wire that I am putting up against radio shack lamp cord? HOW
THE F.CK DO YOU KNOW THAT FROM THE TRANSACTION QUOTED ABOVE!!!

Insulation, the material used for insulation, strand interaction is hell
of a lot important with speaker wire.

I just debunked the "wire is wire" bull****, that's it. The reason for
your chihuahua anger.

But, it's quite clear that you don't, Fella.


You have the credibility of a cockroach, now more then ever, you know
that don't you?


So consider this a little friendly advice. "Wire is wire" applies to wires
of similar size and length.


LOL! When the "challenge" is challenged there seems to be no end in
excuses.

"Wire is wire when both wires are same gauge radio shack lamp cords
fellaaaaa, you should know that fellaaaaaa" LOL! What a load of bull****!

Yeah, this is only the beginning. The "wire is wire" borg notion is
hereby DEBUNKED! As Randi says: "Wire is not wire. I accept that."

Ok, ferstler, cockroach of a krueger, the terrosists or whatever
terrorist brown shirts, start barking y'all. :=)


NOTE: I have asked and received full confirmation from James Randi that
I can quote him. Examining what the challenge is about, even some
aspects that touch the audio scene, I am fully supportive of it, the
million dollar challenge, the idea behind it. Used against TV
evangelists, for instance, or the likes of the ****borg, it is a
worthwhile endeavour.

My only aim is to debunk some borgs lurking around here who think that
with a pink noise generator, a misunderstanding of what psychoacustics
is all about, a db meter, or whatever primitive lab-rat device they can
pre-determine what my ears can or cannot hear, remotely. LOL!

"Fella" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Fella" wrote in message


I sent this email to: '

"Greetings,

I am an "audio quack" as you would put it. I can hear sonic
differences between amplifiers, CD players, even WIRE, speaker wire.
Is your challenge applicable to, for instance, speaker cables? The
self made speaker cables I am currently using (you are free to
measure and examine these using pink noise, etc, prior to putting
them to the test) against radioshack lamp cords. I am claiming that
I can hear the difference as to which is employed each and every
time.


Since "wire is wire" this must fall into the realm of your
challenge.



Shows how little you understand about the "wire is wire" claim,
Fella.

gratuitous profanity, namecalling and posturing deleted

Nobody is saying that 36 gauge magnet wire when used as speaker
cable will sound just like 12 gauge heavy speaker wire.

He never asked anything about gauge or length, or any magnets
therein.

He made the mistake of presuming that you had a brain, Fella.

irrelevant boasting and posturing deleted

Well, apparently nobody but
you!

gratuitous profanity, namecalling and posturing deleted


James Randi replied that:

"There are big differences between lamp cord and larger-gauge cable.
That's not the question, at all. Wire is not wire. I accept that."

Randi obviously knows that the "wire is wire" claim relates to wire
of similar size and length.

gratuitous profanity, namecalling and posturing deleted

Size or length was not mentioned there!

He made the mistake of presuming that you had a drop of common sense, Fella.

How do you know, or Randi for that matter, what is the "gauge"
of my speaker wire that I am putting up against radio shack lamp
cord?

gratuitous profanity, namecalling and posturing deleted

He made the mistake of presuming that you had a brain, Fella.

Insulation, the material used for insulation, strand interaction is
hell of a lot important with speaker wire.

Really?

I just debunked the "wire is wire" bull****, that's it.

The reason for your chihuahua anger.

What anger?

But, it's quite clear that you don't, Fella.

gratuitous namecalling and posturing deleted

So consider this a little friendly advice. "Wire is wire" applies to
wires of similar size and length.

LOL! When the "challenge" is challenged there seems to be no end in
excuses.

Whatever.

"Wire is wire when both wires are same gauge radio shack lamp cords
fellaaaaa, you should know that fellaaaaaa" LOL! What a load of
bull****!

Yeah, this is only the beginning. The "wire is wire" borg notion is
hereby DEBUNKED! As Randi says: "Wire is not wire. I accept that."

Yawn

gratuitous namecalling and posturing deleted

My only aim is to debunk some borgs lurking around here who think that
with a pink noise generator, a misunderstanding of what psychoacustics
is all about, a db meter, or whatever primitive lab-rat device they
can pre-determine what my ears can or cannot hear, remotely. LOL!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Arny Krueger wrote:



gratuitous profanity, namecalling and posturing deleted



The ****borg calls this (for instance) : "I can also hear the HUUUUUUGE
difference between stock rca connectors and audioquest anacondas, for
instance, both of them being one meter in length. So could you, if you
would teach yourself to listen."

"gratuitous profanity, namecalling and posturing"


I think the "audioquest" bit was the profanity part, yes?



Insulation, the material used for insulation, strand interaction is
hell of a lot important with speaker wire.


Really?


Really. Live and learn ****borg.




zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!



That's right, go to sleep, you haven't been debunked, it's all a bad
dream, everything will be as same when you wake up tomorrow.

"Fella" wrote in message
...
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Fella" wrote in message


I sent this email to: '

"Greetings,

I am an "audio quack" as you would put it. I can hear sonic
differences between amplifiers, CD players, even WIRE, speaker wire.
Is your challenge applicable to, for instance, speaker cables? The
self made speaker cables I am currently using (you are free to
measure and examine these using pink noise, etc, prior to putting
them to the test) against radioshack lamp cords. I am claiming that I
can hear the difference as to which is employed each and every time.


Since "wire is wire" this must fall into the realm of your challenge.



Shows how little you understand about the "wire is wire" claim, Fella.

None of that cocky attitude now you cockhead ****! If you are going to
addrss me you better mind your manners or I will beat the living **** out
of that soulless ****borg existence of yours (virtualy that is just as
before so watch it.

Nobody is saying that 36 gauge magnet wire when used as speaker cable
will sound just like 12 gauge heavy speaker wire.

He never asked anything about gauge or length, or any magnets therein. I
can also hear the HUUUUUUGE difference between stock rca connectors and
audioquest anacondas, for instance, both of them being one meter in
length. So could you, if you would teach yourself to listen.


Well, apparently nobody but you!

Mind your manners you **** of a dumbduck. Besides, why the anger? Why the
exclamation marks?? If I am missing some obvious point that everybody else
knows shouldn't you be sneering and making jackal hounding laughing
noises, making fun of me?? WHY THE ANGER YOU ****!?!?!



James Randi replied that:

"There are big differences between lamp cord and larger-gauge cable.
That's not the question, at all. Wire is not wire. I accept that."


Randi obviously knows that the "wire is wire" claim relates to wire of
similar size and length.


You are full of horse**** you ****. Size or length was not mentioned
there! How do you know, or Randi for that matter, what is the "gauge" of
my speaker wire that I am putting up against radio shack lamp cord? HOW
THE F.CK DO YOU KNOW THAT FROM THE TRANSACTION QUOTED ABOVE!!!

Insulation, the material used for insulation, strand interaction is hell
of a lot important with speaker wire.

I just debunked the "wire is wire" bull****, that's it. The reason for
your chihuahua anger.


No you only said you did. You could listen to all the wire you want to
through any speakers you want to and if you do it without kowing which is
which at any given moment, Randi is going to keep his money.

But, it's quite clear that you don't, Fella.


You have the credibility of a cockroach, now more then ever, you know that
don't you?

And your credibilty is established where, aside from profanity and name
calling.

So consider this a little friendly advice. "Wire is wire" applies to
wires of similar size and length.


LOL! When the "challenge" is challenged there seems to be no end in
excuses.

Bull****, you do a wire test at home with a friend, as long as it's actually
blind, you'll find you're a whole lot deafer than you thought.

"Wire is wire when both wires are same gauge radio shack lamp cords
fellaaaaa, you should know that fellaaaaaa" LOL! What a load of bull****!

Yeah, this is only the beginning. The "wire is wire" borg notion is hereby
DEBUNKED! As Randi says: "Wire is not wire. I accept that."


NOTE: I have asked and received full confirmation from James Randi that I
can quote him. Examining what the challenge is about, even some aspects
that touch the audio scene, I am fully supportive of it, the million
dollar challenge, the idea behind it. Used against TV evangelists, for
instance, or the likes of the ****borg, it is a worthwhile endeavour.

My only aim is to debunk some borgs lurking around here who think that
with a pink noise generator, a misunderstanding of what psychoacustics is
all about, a db meter, or whatever primitive lab-rat device they can
pre-determine what my ears can or cannot hear, remotely. LOL!

Good luck, you'll need it.

Michael McKelvy wrote:


You could listen to all the wire you want to
through any speakers you want to and if you do it without kowing which is
which at any given moment, Randi is going to keep his money.


Anybody know mickeymcmcish? Need some translation here.



Bull****, you do a wire test at home with a friend, as long as it's actually
blind, you'll find you're a whole lot deafer than you thought.


Mcmickey predicts the future.

"Fella" wrote in message
...
Michael McKelvy wrote:


You could listen to all the wire you want to through any speakers you
want to and if you do it without kowing which is which at any given
moment, Randi is going to keep his money.


Anybody know mickeymcmcish? Need some translation here.



Bull****, you do a wire test at home with a friend, as long as it's
actually blind, you'll find you're a whole lot deafer than you thought.


Mcmickey predicts the future.


Wire is wire.

"Fella" wrote in message

Michael McKelvy wrote:

You could listen to all the wire you want to
through any speakers you want to and if you do it without kowing
which is which at any given moment, Randi is going to keep his money.

Anybody know mickeymcmcish? Need some translation here.

Typical *Normal* BS - either they are dumber than fence posts, or they
pretend they can't read things that say things they don't like to hear.

Bull****, you do a wire test at home with a friend, as long as it's
actually blind, you'll find you're a whole lot deafer than you
thought.

Mcmickey predicts the future.

It's a prediction of the obvious. BTW Fella, I predict that if you jump off
a Freeway bridge, you'll probably not improve your health. Sue me for
predicting the future!