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On 12/31/2011 3:06 PM, Arkansan Raider wrote:
One of the best vocal takes I've ever heard was by Aretha Franklin in which she overdrove the fool out of her mic--but you don't scrap an inspired take like hers was--you don't know if you're getting *that* take again. I think it was on "The Weight." It may have been "I Never Loved a Man". She definitely went beyond the capabilities of the mic preamp, or something, but what a performance! John Hardy |
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Arkansan Raider wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote: In article , wrote: William Sommerwerck wrote: : Wasn't a lot of "Hotel California" recorded on a budget Nakamichi? Those morons, they should have tossed it. That's one of the first things I can agree about in this whole thread. --scott Scott, I didn't figure you for an Eagles hater. You don't like Hotel California? ---Jeff "Eight year olds, dude." - Walter Sobchak. -- Les Cargill |
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Les Cargill wrote:
Arkansan Raider wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: In article , wrote: William Sommerwerck wrote: : Wasn't a lot of "Hotel California" recorded on a budget Nakamichi? Those morons, they should have tossed it. That's one of the first things I can agree about in this whole thread. --scott Scott, I didn't figure you for an Eagles hater. You don't like Hotel California? ---Jeff "Eight year olds, dude." - Walter Sobchak. -- Les Cargill Sicko. ;^) http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...Olds%2C%20Dude ---Jeff |
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Arkansan Raider wrote:
Some of my favorite music was recorded to much lesser-quality mediums than cassette tape. Hank Williams Jr., Robert Johnson, some good a cappella choruses from my alma mater among others. Make that, "Hank Williams SENIOR." *facepalm* ---Jeff |
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John Hardy wrote:
On 12/31/2011 3:06 PM, Arkansan Raider wrote: One of the best vocal takes I've ever heard was by Aretha Franklin in which she overdrove the fool out of her mic--but you don't scrap an inspired take like hers was--you don't know if you're getting *that* take again. I think it was on "The Weight." It may have been "I Never Loved a Man". She definitely went beyond the capabilities of the mic preamp, or something, but what a performance! John Hardy In her dad's words on one of her live inspirational albums, "She's a stone singer!" And it was one of her better performances, fo' sho'. ---Jeff |
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"mcp6453" wrote in message ... A good friend did some recording sessions in Nashville in the seventies. As was standard operating procedure in those days, we made up a bunch of cassettes so that he could send the sessions to his friends and family. Unfortunately, he passed away in 2001. The master tapes from which the cassettes were made is nowhere to be found. Monument Records is no more. The studio owner says he has no idea where the masters are. Since the cassettes are not as good quality as the master tapes, I guess I'll just throw them in the trash. If I can't have reel quality, I'll do without. Not. Right, you'll want to listen to them SO many times that spending $1.5k on a Dragon is chicken feed. YOU get to make that decision for yourself, and my wallet is not bothered in the slightest. Personally I have SO much I have recorded properly, that I won't live long enough to bother with crap, but I do realise some people have different circumstances, and some have FAR more money to waste than I do. Good luck to them I guess. Trevor. |
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I'm amazed the concept of copying the tape from the original or similar tape deck is never adequate, and a Dragon MUST be used to archive all cassettes, even if they were recorded on a el-cheapo portable probaly using a crap mic from somewhere in the audience! (as has been suggested as one reason for getting a Dragon) Each to their own I guess, I suppose I'm just jealous I don't have that much money to waste for a couple of low quality recordings. I do have an old 3 head deck which is good enough for whatever I come across that is purely for historical value. But it seems a Dragon is de-rigour for many, so they can have a warm fuzzy feeling that they couldn't have done better, even if it still sounds like total crap! :-) Trevor. |
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Arkansan Raider wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote: In article , wrote: William Sommerwerck wrote: : Wasn't a lot of "Hotel California" recorded on a budget Nakamichi? Those morons, they should have tossed it. That's one of the first things I can agree about in this whole thread. Scott, I didn't figure you for an Eagles hater. You don't like Hotel California? I have probably recorded a hundred covers of that damn song in the past thirty years. It used to be something every bar band had to have on their demo. And, if you listen to the original, it's just way, way too bright. It's one of those things that has been destroyed for me by constant repetition. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
#129
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In article , Trevor wrote:
I'm amazed the concept of copying the tape from the original or similar tape deck is never adequate, and a Dragon MUST be used to archive all cassettes, even if they were recorded on a el-cheapo portable probaly using a crap mic from somewhere in the audience! (as has been suggested as one reason for getting a Dragon) It's not. The Dragon is just the cheapest way to do it. You can send it to me and I'll do it on a Tascam 122 that has been modified with vernier azimuth controls, but I'm going to charge studio rate to do it because I'm going to be riding the azimuth and listening. If I were able to do it unattended, and the Dragon allows you to do a respectable job unattended, I'd charge about a quarter what I charge for an attended transfer. It's all about the money. Being able to automate processes makes them far cheaper. The Dragon costs a little more than a day of studio time. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
#130
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Arkansan Raider wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: In article , wrote: William Sommerwerck wrote: : Wasn't a lot of "Hotel California" recorded on a budget Nakamichi? Those morons, they should have tossed it. That's one of the first things I can agree about in this whole thread. Scott, I didn't figure you for an Eagles hater. You don't like Hotel California? I have probably recorded a hundred covers of that damn song in the past thirty years. It used to be something every bar band had to have on their demo. And, if you listen to the original, it's just way, way too bright. It's one of those things that has been destroyed for me by constant repetition. --scott Ah, roger that. No Stairway or Free Bird for you, either? ;^) ---Jeff |
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I have probably recorded a hundred covers of that
damn song in the past thirty years. Lawrence Welk? "Welcome-a to the Hotel Califorium-a..." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
: Arkansan Raider wrote: : Scott, I didn't figure you for an Eagles hater. You don't like Hotel : California? : I have probably recorded a hundred covers of that damn song in the past : thirty years. It used to be something every bar band had to have on : their demo. And, if you listen to the original, it's just way, way too : bright. It's one of those things that has been destroyed for me by constant : repetition. Like "Proud Mary" for me. |
#134
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Trevor wrote:
: I'm amazed the concept of copying the tape from the original or similar tape : deck is never adequate, and a Dragon MUST be used to archive all cassettes, : even if they were recorded on a el-cheapo portable probaly using a crap mic : from somewhere in the audience! (as has been suggested as one reason for : getting a Dragon) I have never even used a Dragon. I played with one briefly when they first came out. But I wouldn't begrudge someone who has one or is considering getting one. I don't personally have any tapes (I don't think) that merit one, but I'm sure there are many tapes out there that do. |
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wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote: : Arkansan Raider wrote: : Scott, I didn't figure you for an Eagles hater. You don't like Hotel : California? : I have probably recorded a hundred covers of that damn song in the past : thirty years. It used to be something every bar band had to have on : their demo. And, if you listen to the original, it's just way, way too : bright. It's one of those things that has been destroyed for me by constant : repetition. Like "Proud Mary" for me. A friend of mine, Hugh Colston, absolutely hated CCR in every possible way for similar reasons. When he died, we played "Back Door" at his wake... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
#137
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On 1/1/2012 3:35 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 1/1/2012 12:20 PM, wrote: I have never even used a Dragon. I played with one briefly when they first came out. But I wouldn't begrudge someone who has one or is considering getting one. I think that what hasn't been said directly here is that if you have one cassette tape that you want to play, don't go out and buy a Dragon for it even if you plan to sell it again the next week. It's not worth it. But if you have a collection of a few hundred cassettes and want to put them all on computer, then a dragon is probably a worthwhile investment. (and then you can sell it in three years after you've finished with the lot) Bingo. Not that Trevor will get it. |
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 04:48:39 -0800, William Sommerwerck wrote
(in article ): Wasn't a lot of "Hotel California" recorded on a budget Nakamichi? ------------------------------snip------------------------------ No, the demos were recorded on a 4-track Teac, then completely re-recorded in 24-track in the studio, both at Criteria in Miami and The Record Plant in LA. Story he http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep1...racks-0910.htm --MFW |
#139
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... You can send it to me and I'll do it on a Tascam 122 that has been modified with vernier azimuth controls, but I'm going to charge studio rate to do it because I'm going to be riding the azimuth and listening. NAh I just do it myself since I come across so little on cassette that needs that much care. (Well none actually :-) If I were able to do it unattended, and the Dragon allows you to do a respectable job unattended, I'd charge about a quarter what I charge for an attended transfer. It's all about the money. Being able to automate processes makes them far cheaper. The Dragon costs a little more than a day of studio time. As I said all along, FINE if you have enough work to justify it. That's NOT how I plan to earn a living, so buying a Dragon for a few tapes that may or may not even be listened to more than once is the issue. But hey, as I said, if you have plenty of money, enough work to justify it, or just think you really need it, that's your business. Trevor. |
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"mcp6453" wrote in message ... I think that what hasn't been said directly here is that if you have one cassette tape that you want to play, don't go out and buy a Dragon for it even if you plan to sell it again the next week. It's not worth it. But if you have a collection of a few hundred cassettes and want to put them all on computer, then a dragon is probably a worthwhile investment. (and then you can sell it in three years after you've finished with the lot) Bingo. Not that Trevor will get it. **** right off, of course I get it. What YOU don't get is the OP said he had a couple of tapes, NOT a hundreds that are unobtainable anywhere else. I wonder how many that do buy a Dragon now actually have hundreds of tapes they recorded themselves (not stuff readily available on vinyl or CD)? And how many just have too much money to waste? I don't know, I'll leave it up to you to provide some data if you like, since you believe I'm not even allowed to have an opinion! Trevor. |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
... In article , wrote: William Sommerwerck wrote: : Wasn't a lot of "Hotel California" recorded on a budget Nakamichi? Those morons, they should have tossed it. That's one of the first things I can agree about in this whole thread. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." The above may be one of the funniest lines in the whole thread whether you agree or disagree on the musical preference. Steve King |
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"Marc Wielage" wrote in message .com... On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 04:48:39 -0800, William Sommerwerck wrote (in article ): Wasn't a lot of "Hotel California" recorded on a budget Nakamichi? ------------------------------snip------------------------------ No, the demos were recorded on a 4-track Teac, then completely re-recorded in 24-track in the studio, both at Criteria in Miami and The Record Plant in LA. Story he http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep1...racks-0910.htm Hey don't go disillusioning peoples biases with actual facts! :-) The idea that a band of the Eagles stature by the time they released HC, would have "a lot" recorded on "a budget" Nakamichi, is so amazing I wondered how anyone would believe it. But I guess Bruce Springsteen did use his portastudio recordings once, so anything is possible! Trevor. |
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Hey don't go disillusioning peoples biases with actual facts! :-)
The idea that a band of the Eagles stature by the time they released HC, would have "a lot" recorded on "a budget" Nakamichi, is so amazing I wondered how anyone would believe it. But I guess Bruce Springsteen did use his Portastudio recordings once, so anything is possible! This was the story I heard many years ago -- and it was not (AFAIR) being spread by Nakamichi. |
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Steve King wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... In article , wrote: William Sommerwerck wrote: : Wasn't a lot of "Hotel California" recorded on a budget Nakamichi? Those morons, they should have tossed it. That's one of the first things I can agree about in this whole thread. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." The above may be one of the funniest lines in the whole thread whether you agree or disagree on the musical preference. Steve King +1, and it's a contender for the Ring. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri |
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William Sommerwerck wrote:
Hey don't go disillusioning peoples biases with actual facts! :-) The idea that a band of the Eagles stature by the time they released HC, would have "a lot" recorded on "a budget" Nakamichi, is so amazing I wondered how anyone would believe it. But I guess Bruce Springsteen did use his Portastudio recordings once, so anything is possible! This was the story I heard many years ago -- and it was not (AFAIR) being spread by Nakamichi. You can tell that it was a high budget production because the top end is emphasized insanely high... I mean, we're talking more than 10dB boost in the presence region. Back in the seventies, whenever you heard that top end boost, it was because everyone in the studio was using cocaine and screwing their hearing up. The higher the production budget, the more cocaine, the more top end boost. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... This was the story I heard many years ago -- and it was not (AFAIR) being spread by Nakamichi. I believe you, but that's why they say don't believe everything you hear or read. Trevor. |
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On 1/1/2012 8:03 PM, Trevor wrote:
"mcp6453" wrote in message ... I think that what hasn't been said directly here is that if you have one cassette tape that you want to play, don't go out and buy a Dragon for it even if you plan to sell it again the next week. It's not worth it. But if you have a collection of a few hundred cassettes and want to put them all on computer, then a dragon is probably a worthwhile investment. (and then you can sell it in three years after you've finished with the lot) Bingo. Not that Trevor will get it. **** right off, of course I get it. What YOU don't get is the OP said he had a couple of tapes, NOT a hundreds that are unobtainable anywhere else. I'm the OP. Here's the part of the post you must have missed: "Since I'm off until the end of the year, I decided to finally archive a large quantity of audio cassettes." I wonder how many that do buy a Dragon now actually have hundreds of tapes they recorded themselves (not stuff readily available on vinyl or CD)? And how many just have too much money to waste? I don't know, I'll leave it up to you to provide some data if you like, since you believe I'm not even allowed to have an opinion! |
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mcp6453 wrote:
On 1/1/2012 8:03 PM, Trevor wrote: "mcp6453" wrote in message ... I think that what hasn't been said directly here is that if you have one cassette tape that you want to play, don't go out and buy a Dragon for it even if you plan to sell it again the next week. It's not worth it. But if you have a collection of a few hundred cassettes and want to put them all on computer, then a dragon is probably a worthwhile investment. (and then you can sell it in three years after you've finished with the lot) Bingo. Not that Trevor will get it. **** right off, of course I get it. What YOU don't get is the OP said he had a couple of tapes, NOT a hundreds that are unobtainable anywhere else. I'm the OP. Here's the part of the post you must have missed: "Since I'm off until the end of the year, I decided to finally archive a large quantity of audio cassettes." I wonder how many that do buy a Dragon now actually have hundreds of tapes they recorded themselves (not stuff readily available on vinyl or CD)? And how many just have too much money to waste? I don't know, I'll leave it up to you to provide some data if you like, since you believe I'm not even allowed to have an opinion! Organic popcorn just tastes better. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri |
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hank alrich wrote:
Organic popcorn just tastes better. Never had it. Pass some my way, please. ---Jeff |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
William wrote: Hey don't go disillusioning peoples biases with actual facts! :-) The idea that a band of the Eagles stature by the time they released HC, would have "a lot" recorded on "a budget" Nakamichi, is so amazing I wondered how anyone would believe it. But I guess Bruce Springsteen did use his Portastudio recordings once, so anything is possible! This was the story I heard many years ago -- and it was not (AFAIR) being spread by Nakamichi. You can tell that it was a high budget production because the top end is emphasized insanely high... I mean, we're talking more than 10dB boost in the presence region. Back in the seventies, whenever you heard that top end boost, it was because everyone in the studio was using cocaine and screwing their hearing up. The higher the production budget, the more cocaine, the more top end boost. --scott If you can find Don Felder's solo album from after the Eagles.... -- Les Cargill |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: Arkansan Raider wrote: Scott, I didn't figure you for an Eagles hater. You don't like Hotel California? I have probably recorded a hundred covers of that damn song in the past thirty years. It used to be something every bar band had to have on their demo. And, if you listen to the original, it's just way, way too bright. It's one of those things that has been destroyed for me by constant repetition. Like "Proud Mary" for me. A friend of mine, Hugh Colston, absolutely hated CCR in every possible way for similar reasons. When he died, we played "Back Door" at his wake... --scott Just to see if he would start rotating? |
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On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:30:43 -0800, Scott Dorsey wrote
(in article ): Back in the seventies, whenever you heard that top end boost, it was because everyone in the studio was using cocaine and screwing their hearing up. ------------------------------snip------------------------------ You say that like it was a bad thing... --MFW |
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On Sun 01 Jan 2012, Trevor wrote:
I'm amazed the concept of copying the tape from the original or similar tape deck is never adequate, and a Dragon MUST be used to archive all cassettes, even if they were recorded on a el-cheapo portable probaly using a crap mic from somewhere in the audience! (as has been suggested as one reason for getting a Dragon) Each to their own I guess, I suppose I'm just jealous I don't have that much money to waste for a couple of low quality recordings. I do have an old 3 head deck which is good enough for whatever I come across that is purely for historical value. But it seems a Dragon is de-rigour for many, so they can have a warm fuzzy feeling that they couldn't have done better, even if it still sounds like total crap! :-) I've got a broken 3 head Nakamichi BX 300 deck lying around. A few years ago the rewind/ff went faulty for the second time in it's life and I just couldn't justify the cost of another full service/repair! I archived all my vinyl albums onto this deck and used to love switching from rec to pb and convincing myself that I couldn't hear any difference! The absence of wow and flutter was such a delight compared to normal cassette decks! When it came to archiving my cassettes to mp3, when the Nakamichi failed, I bought a second hand Sony Pro Walkman (a "Weapons of Mass Destruction 6C" model) and had it serviced quite cheaply. Although not quite as good as the Nakamichi it did (and does) the job very well for mp3 archival when the odd cassette tape comes my way! -- John Bennett johndotbennettatsmartemaildotcodotuk |
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