[Doug Lauber]

Any thoughts on these two preamps for general purpose rock n roll?
Which is the better deal for the money? The Millenia is 2 channel,
but the single channel 220 has more bells and whistles. -doug
(currently using a UA 2-610 - ..I'd like a less-colored
complementary pre))

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On Jul 28, 7:10*am, Doug Lauber
wrote:
Any thoughts on these two preamps for general purpose rock n roll?
Which is the better deal for the money? The Millenia is 2 channel,
but the single channel 220 has more bells and whistles. * -doug
* * (currently using a UA 2-610 - ..I'd like a less-colored
complementary pre))

3D audio makes a preamp comparison cd
they have the millenia hv-3 and the isa-110 (vintage)
you can download it on their store

http://www.3daudioinc.com/catalog/

[Mike Rivers]

Doug Lauber wrote:
Any thoughts on these two preamps for general purpose rock n roll?

For "general purpose rock n roll" (whatever that means), what's wrong
with a Mackie? Or an RNP? Or an API? There's nothing wrong with the two
preamps you're looking at, but unless you're looking for something that,
in the final product, will be significantly better with a high
resolution preamp, I'd go for variety rather than high quality. The
closer you get to the sound you want straight out of the mic preamp, the
easier your mixing job will be - assuming that you know what you want
when you're recording. Mixing experience will tell you that if
everything going into your mix has the same sonic characteristic, you'll
have to spend more time with processing to get things to stand out (or
stand back) in the mix.


--
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me he
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)

[Scott Dorsey]

In article ,
Doug Lauber wrote:
Any thoughts on these two preamps for general purpose rock n roll?
Which is the better deal for the money? The Millenia is 2 channel,
but the single channel 220 has more bells and whistles. -doug
(currently using a UA 2-610 - ..I'd like a less-colored
complementary pre))

I have never used the Focusrite. What bells and whistles do you need,
though? You want to plug mikes into it and get gain, right? That's what
you need in a preamp.

I have really liked the Millennia as far as getting the cleanest possible
gain goes. This may or may not be your goal, but I think it's a good goal
even for rock and roll, personally.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Doug Lauber]

Mike Rivers wrote:
Doug Lauber wrote:
Any thoughts on these two preamps for general purpose rock n roll?

For "general purpose rock n roll" (whatever that means), what's wrong
with a Mackie? Or an RNP? Or an API? There's nothing wrong with the two
preamps you're looking at, but unless you're looking for something that,
in the final product, will be significantly better with a high
resolution preamp, I'd go for variety rather than high quality. The
closer you get to the sound you want straight out of the mic preamp, the
easier your mixing job will be - assuming that you know what you want
when you're recording. Mixing experience will tell you that if
everything going into your mix has the same sonic characteristic, you'll
have to spend more time with processing to get things to stand out (or
stand back) in the mix.


"general purpose - rock n' roll"?
By that, I meant I'd be recording elec guitar, elec bass, synth, vocals,
and maybe a drum kit.
As opposed to say, recording an orchestra, bagpipes, veena, broadway
shows, etc.
Mixing does tell me that recording all my tracks with the 2-610 is too one
dimensional- I can relate to your '...everything going into your mix
has the same sonic
characteristic, you'll have to spend more time with processing to get
things to stand out (or
stand back) in the mix.'

[Doug Lauber]

wrote:
On Jul 28, 7:10 am, Doug Lauber
wrote:
Any thoughts on these two preamps for general purpose rock n roll?
Which is the better deal for the money? The Millenia is 2 channel,
but the single channel 220 has more bells and whistles. -doug
(currently using a UA 2-610 - ..I'd like a less-colored
complementary pre))

3D audio makes a preamp comparison cd
they have the millenia hv-3 and the isa-110 (vintage)
you can download it on their store

http://www.3daudioinc.com/catalog/

Thanks!

[Doug Lauber]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article ,
Doug Lauber wrote:
Any thoughts on these two preamps for general purpose rock n roll?
Which is the better deal for the money? The Millenia is 2 channel,
but the single channel 220 has more bells and whistles. -doug
(currently using a UA 2-610 - ..I'd like a less-colored
complementary pre))

I have never used the Focusrite. What bells and whistles do you need,
though? You want to plug mikes into it and get gain, right? That's what
you need in a preamp.

I have really liked the Millennia as far as getting the cleanest possible
gain goes. This may or may not be your goal, but I think it's a good goal
even for rock and roll, personally.
--scott

I've read nice things about both the 220 and the HV 3. Nice and 'clean'.
Thanks. I guess I'll just have to hear them and see what I think.
The Focusrite 220 Session is single channel preamp with 4-band EQ
and a compressor. ...I've been using software for compression
and sometimes EQ. Doug

[Doug Lauber]

WillStG wrote:
On Jul 28, 1:10 am, Doug Lauber
wrote:
Any thoughts on these two preamps for general purpose rock n roll?
Which is the better deal for the money? The Millenia is 2 channel,
but the single channel 220 has more bells and whistles. -doug
(currently using a UA 2-610 - ..I'd like a less-colored
complementary pre))

Quite different, the 610 and the HV3's. You might like to cut the
difference, and consider something in between like an API or a Hardy
M1 or M2.

Will Miho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy

Hey thanks! I'll look into those two. Doug

[Mike Rivers]

Doug Lauber wrote:

"general purpose - rock n' roll"?
By that, I meant I'd be recording elec guitar, elec bass, synth, vocals,
and maybe a drum kit.
As opposed to say, recording an orchestra, bagpipes, veena, broadway
shows, etc.

That's what I understood it to mean.



--
If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach
me he
double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers
)

[Scott Dorsey]

In article ,
Doug Lauber wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article ,
Doug Lauber wrote:
Any thoughts on these two preamps for general purpose rock n roll?
Which is the better deal for the money? The Millenia is 2 channel,
but the single channel 220 has more bells and whistles. -doug
(currently using a UA 2-610 - ..I'd like a less-colored
complementary pre))

I have never used the Focusrite. What bells and whistles do you need,
though? You want to plug mikes into it and get gain, right? That's what
you need in a preamp.

I have really liked the Millennia as far as getting the cleanest possible
gain goes. This may or may not be your goal, but I think it's a good goal
even for rock and roll, personally.

I've read nice things about both the 220 and the HV 3. Nice and 'clean'.
Thanks. I guess I'll just have to hear them and see what I think.
The Focusrite 220 Session is single channel preamp with 4-band EQ
and a compressor. ...I've been using software for compression
and sometimes EQ. Doug

SO... what bells and whistles do you need? Not which ones do you have
available, which ones do you need?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Doug Lauber]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article ,
Doug Lauber wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article ,
Doug Lauber wrote:
Any thoughts on these two preamps for general purpose rock n roll?
Which is the better deal for the money? The Millenia is 2 channel,
but the single channel 220 has more bells and whistles. -doug
(currently using a UA 2-610 - ..I'd like a less-colored
complementary pre))
I have never used the Focusrite. What bells and whistles do you need,
though? You want to plug mikes into it and get gain, right? That's what
you need in a preamp.

I have really liked the Millennia as far as getting the cleanest possible
gain goes. This may or may not be your goal, but I think it's a good goal
even for rock and roll, personally.
I've read nice things about both the 220 and the HV 3. Nice and 'clean'.
Thanks. I guess I'll just have to hear them and see what I think.
The Focusrite 220 Session is single channel preamp with 4-band EQ
and a compressor. ...I've been using software for compression
and sometimes EQ. Doug

SO... what bells and whistles do you need? Not which ones do you have
available, which ones do you need?
--scott

Scott, it would be interesting to see what the Focusrite can do with its
compressor. I'd like to see if the results are more musical than
my software compressor. I look at the additional equipment/preamps
as additional 'colors' that I will use in an artistic way. I still have
a lot
to learn about tracking and mixing. I'm going through trials...and errors.
I'm attracted to the 'clean gain' aspect of the Millenia, because the
2-610 is relatively noisy. The one other preamp I've experienced,
is the Langevin Dual Vocal Combo. It lacked pizazz, and gain.

[hank alrich]

Doug Lauber wrote:

I'm attracted to the 'clean gain' aspect of the Millenia, because the
2-610 is relatively noisy.

I have a nice HV3-D four channel pre, with the ribbon mic option on the
first two channels, for sale. If you're interested in a good used unit,
contact me. The addy from which I post is valid.

--
ha
Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam

[Paul Stamler]

"Doug Lauber" wrote in message
...
Any thoughts on these two preamps for general purpose rock n roll?
Which is the better deal for the money? The Millenia is 2 channel,
but the single channel 220 has more bells and whistles. -doug
(currently using a UA 2-610 - ..I'd like a less-colored
complementary pre))

Millennia - less colored.
Focusrite - differently colored.

Your choice.

Peace,
Paul

[Scott Dorsey]

Doug Lauber wrote:

Scott, it would be interesting to see what the Focusrite can do with its
compressor. I'd like to see if the results are more musical than
my software compressor. I look at the additional equipment/preamps
as additional 'colors' that I will use in an artistic way. I still have
a lot
to learn about tracking and mixing. I'm going through trials...and errors.
I'm attracted to the 'clean gain' aspect of the Millenia, because the
2-610 is relatively noisy. The one other preamp I've experienced,
is the Langevin Dual Vocal Combo. It lacked pizazz, and gain.

So, get a Focusrite for a weekend, take a track of yours that you have
recorded, put it into a pad and into the Focusrite and see what it sounds
like when you turn the knobs.

Then spend $200 for an RNC and do the same with that. The RNC is pretty
limited in its ability to be used as an effect, but it provides clean
compression, it's cheap, and you'll always find it useful for something.
If you don't like it you can sell it for what you paid for it.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[philicorda[_6_]]

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:28:02 -0700, Doug Lauber wrote:

Scott, it would be interesting to see what the Focusrite can do with its
compressor. I'd like to see if the results are more musical than my
software compressor. I look at the additional equipment/preamps as
additional 'colors' that I will use in an artistic way. I still have a
lot
to learn about tracking and mixing. I'm going through trials...and
errors. I'm attracted to the 'clean gain' aspect of the Millenia,
because the 2-610 is relatively noisy. The one other preamp I've
experienced, is the Langevin Dual Vocal Combo. It lacked pizazz, and
gain.

The Focusrite will give you plenty of gain at least. It's compressor is
not very exciting. I've never felt it gave me anything I could not do
with a decent plugin. The Eq is clean, sounds good and can be quite
surgical. I find the sweepable high and low pass to be really useful.

I have not used the Langevin, but I can't imagine the Focusrite having
more pizazz. I like to record things fairly clean and process afterwards,
rather than getting the colour on the way in, so it works for me.