sat in my pal's '03 grand-am today and noticed the soundsystem was pretty
good. even more surprised the speakers were courtesy of Bose, seeing i
didn't know they were in the car audio market. are they available to the
general public or are they exclusive for certain car companies?


thanks.


tim

Based on the online store @ bose.com, I would say the automotive side of the
company deals only with factory installed systems, not end-user component
sales.

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"tim" wrote in message
...
sat in my pal's '03 grand-am today and noticed the soundsystem was pretty
good. even more surprised the speakers were courtesy of Bose, seeing i
didn't know they were in the car audio market. are they available to the
general public or are they exclusive for certain car companies?


thanks.


tim

I don't believe they are available for general sale. According to someone I
spoke with at Bose a few years ago, they do not manufacture car audio
products for the public...only directly to the car manufacturer for their
integrated systems. Also, it should be noted that all the Bose components
in my 2001 Maxima are made by Clarion.

And, in my opinion, you can achieve MUCH better sound by buying aftermarket
products.

Tony

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"tim" wrote in message
...
sat in my pal's '03 grand-am today and noticed the soundsystem was pretty
good. even more surprised the speakers were courtesy of Bose, seeing i
didn't know they were in the car audio market. are they available to the
general public or are they exclusive for certain car companies?


thanks.


tim

Dang, if you thought those $2 Bose paper cone speakers sounded good just
wait until you hear some GOOD speakers..with tweeters and everything!



"tim" wrote in message
...
sat in my pal's '03 grand-am today and noticed the soundsystem was pretty
good. even more surprised the speakers were courtesy of Bose, seeing i
didn't know they were in the car audio market. are they available to the
general public or are they exclusive for certain car companies?


thanks.


tim

Maybe he likes them BECAUSE they don't have tweeters.


Paul Vina




"Pug Fugley" wrote in message
ink.net...
Dang, if you thought those $2 Bose paper cone speakers sounded good just
wait until you hear some GOOD speakers..with tweeters and everything!



"tim" wrote in message
...
sat in my pal's '03 grand-am today and noticed the soundsystem was
pretty
good. even more surprised the speakers were courtesy of Bose, seeing i
didn't know they were in the car audio market. are they available to
the
general public or are they exclusive for certain car companies?


thanks.


tim

"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:HFJLb.9756$5V2.16076@attbi_s53...
Maybe he likes them BECAUSE they don't have tweeters.

Yeah, high frequencies are way overrated!









Paul Vina




"Pug Fugley" wrote in message
ink.net...
Dang, if you thought those $2 Bose paper cone speakers sounded good just
wait until you hear some GOOD speakers..with tweeters and everything!



"tim" wrote in message
...
sat in my pal's '03 grand-am today and noticed the soundsystem was
pretty
good. even more surprised the speakers were courtesy of Bose, seeing
i
didn't know they were in the car audio market. are they available to
the
general public or are they exclusive for certain car companies?


thanks.


tim

Who are you to tell him what he likes and dislikes? Maybe that's why people
on this forum wouldn't wipe their ass with your opinion.


Paul Vina



"Pug Fugley" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:HFJLb.9756$5V2.16076@attbi_s53...
Maybe he likes them BECAUSE they don't have tweeters.

Yeah, high frequencies are way overrated!









Paul Vina




"Pug Fugley" wrote in message
ink.net...
Dang, if you thought those $2 Bose paper cone speakers sounded good
just
wait until you hear some GOOD speakers..with tweeters and everything!



"tim" wrote in message
...
sat in my pal's '03 grand-am today and noticed the soundsystem was
pretty
good. even more surprised the speakers were courtesy of Bose,
seeing
i
didn't know they were in the car audio market. are they available
to
the
general public or are they exclusive for certain car companies?


thanks.


tim

"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:SAMLb.11209$5V2.19582@attbi_s53...
Who are you to tell him what he likes and dislikes? Maybe that's why
people
on this forum wouldn't wipe their ass with your opinion.

Yeah, people around here seem to have a problem with the truth. They don't
like to hear it for some reason, but I could care less. I'm going to lay it
down like it is, **** em if they don't like it. Too bad.

Bose sucks, face it. The guy can do far better for far less money.

"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:SAMLb.11209$5V2.19582@attbi_s53...
Who are you to tell him what he likes and dislikes? Maybe that's why
people
on this forum wouldn't wipe their ass with your opinion.

You must be a Bose fan! Please tell me why you love Bose so much.

Depends.... If they are from MBPint....WAY overrated.... but then again,
that's my opinion.

FHLH


"Pug Fugley" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:HFJLb.9756$5V2.16076@attbi_s53...
Maybe he likes them BECAUSE they don't have tweeters.

Yeah, high frequencies are way overrated!









Paul Vina




"Pug Fugley" wrote in message
ink.net...
Dang, if you thought those $2 Bose paper cone speakers sounded good
just
wait until you hear some GOOD speakers..with tweeters and everything!



"tim" wrote in message
...
sat in my pal's '03 grand-am today and noticed the soundsystem was
pretty
good. even more surprised the speakers were courtesy of Bose,
seeing
i
didn't know they were in the car audio market. are they available
to
the
general public or are they exclusive for certain car companies?


thanks.


tim

Many Bose systems do have tweeters.

"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:HFJLb.9756$5V2.16076@attbi_s53...
Maybe he likes them BECAUSE they don't have tweeters.


Paul Vina




"Pug Fugley" wrote in message
ink.net...
Dang, if you thought those $2 Bose paper cone speakers sounded good just
wait until you hear some GOOD speakers..with tweeters and everything!



"tim" wrote in message
...
sat in my pal's '03 grand-am today and noticed the soundsystem was
pretty
good. even more surprised the speakers were courtesy of Bose, seeing
i
didn't know they were in the car audio market. are they available to
the
general public or are they exclusive for certain car companies?


thanks.


tim

I know, Mark. I was just making a point about old Puggy's post.



Paul Vina


"Mark Zarella" wrote in message
...
Many Bose systems do have tweeters.

"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:HFJLb.9756$5V2.16076@attbi_s53...
Maybe he likes them BECAUSE they don't have tweeters.


Paul Vina




"Pug Fugley" wrote in message
ink.net...
Dang, if you thought those $2 Bose paper cone speakers sounded good
just
wait until you hear some GOOD speakers..with tweeters and everything!



"tim" wrote in message
...
sat in my pal's '03 grand-am today and noticed the soundsystem was
pretty
good. even more surprised the speakers were courtesy of Bose,
seeing
i
didn't know they were in the car audio market. are they available
to
the
general public or are they exclusive for certain car companies?


thanks.


tim

I know, Mark. I was just making a point about old Puggy's post.

I've been in here long enough to see many Pugs come, annoy, and then leave.
You just have to ride it through.

In article ,
"tim" wrote:

sat in my pal's '03 grand-am today and noticed the soundsystem was pretty
good. even more surprised the speakers were courtesy of Bose, seeing i
didn't know they were in the car audio market. are they available to the
general public or are they exclusive for certain car companies?


thanks.


tim



They're option kits for dealerships. I wouldn't call anything Bose
good, but it's less crappy than the $20 systems that come in most cars.

Bose is just a marketing gimmick. There's no real technology, value, or
quality in their equipment. The idea is that you'll hear how superior
their $5000 system is to a $129 system, and then you'll buy the Bose.
Their only art is in carefully crafted false dichotomy product demos and
well written advertising.

Kevin McMurtrie wrote:

There's no real technology, value, or
quality in their equipment.

Please do a lookup on AMAR BOSE!
There is plenty of REAL TECHNOLOGY as well as a philosophy
that is deserving of some respect...

Agreed they have a huge marketing scheme that is far overshadowing
the actual technical aspects with piles and piles of bull****....

I hate to
see the real technology missed because some of you guys
assume the bull**** you hear from the marketing dept is all there is to
it .....

Certainly NOT my favorite sounding stuff, but from a scientific
or speaker building point of view, quite interesting and deserving
of some respect none the less....

Eddie Runner

"Eddie Runner" wrote in message
...
Kevin McMurtrie wrote:

There's no real technology, value, or
quality in their equipment.

Please do a lookup on AMAR BOSE!
There is plenty of REAL TECHNOLOGY as well as a philosophy
that is deserving of some respect...

No, not really. It's just marketing. It's one of those things you learn once
you are on the 'inside' of the audio industry.

http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

*INSIDE* ???

Are you implying Im not on the INSIDE of the audio
industry..??? Dont be a PUTZ, I was prolly a PRO
speaker tech before you were born....!!

being INSIDE doesnt actually mean anything either in
relation to predjudices... In the industry its common for a
store that didnt carry BOSE to use the saying
*no highs, no lows, it must be bose*
But we all know stores always knock what they dont sell...

As for the marketing, I have been workin on Bose stuff WAY
before they had all this WAVE RADIO marketing crap....

Go back before the marketing to the original JAES papers
writen by Bose, or the reasearch he did at MIT, or the sound
philosphys behind the reflected sounds some of his speakers
produce... Go back before the marketing bull**** and look
at his REAL research and experements... Bose the man, with
the mans ideas and research not todays corporate multimillion
dollar marketing machine....

It does deserve some respect...
But of course there are always some that will not see....

Eddie Runner

Pug Fugley wrote:

Please do a lookup on AMAR BOSE!
There is plenty of REAL TECHNOLOGY as well as a philosophy
that is deserving of some respect...

No, not really. It's just marketing. It's one of those things you learn once
you are on the 'inside' of the audio industry.

http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

"Eddie Runner" wrote in message
...
*INSIDE* ???

Are you implying Im not on the INSIDE of the audio
industry..???

No, just didn't know. Didn't mean to offend you. Figured you would have
known about Bose if you were on the inside.


Dont be a PUTZ, I was prolly a PRO
speaker tech before you were born....!!

Are you really that old?



being INSIDE doesnt actually mean anything either in
relation to predjudices... In the industry its common for a
store that didnt carry BOSE to use the saying
*no highs, no lows, it must be bose*
But we all know stores always knock what they dont sell...

Actually, that saying didn't come from the stores. It came from audio
engineers like myself who know how Bose speakers are actually made. See,
when you spend your life surrounded by top notch audio equipment, then go
hear some **** like Bose you just don't understand why people buy them.




As for the marketing, I have been workin on Bose stuff WAY
before they had all this WAVE RADIO marketing crap....

Go back before the marketing to the original JAES papers
writen by Bose, or the reasearch he did at MIT, or the sound
philosphys behind the reflected sounds some of his speakers
produce... Go back before the marketing bull**** and look
at his REAL research and experements... Bose the man, with
the mans ideas and research not todays corporate multimillion
dollar marketing machine....

It does deserve some respect...
But of course there are always some that will not see....


Sounds like you work for Amar. How sad for you.

In article ,
Eddie Runner wrote:

*INSIDE* ???

Are you implying Im not on the INSIDE of the audio
industry..??? Dont be a PUTZ, I was prolly a PRO
speaker tech before you were born....!!

being INSIDE doesnt actually mean anything either in
relation to predjudices... In the industry its common for a
store that didnt carry BOSE to use the saying
*no highs, no lows, it must be bose*
But we all know stores always knock what they dont sell...

As for the marketing, I have been workin on Bose stuff WAY
before they had all this WAVE RADIO marketing crap....

Go back before the marketing to the original JAES papers
writen by Bose, or the reasearch he did at MIT, or the sound
philosphys behind the reflected sounds some of his speakers
produce... Go back before the marketing bull**** and look
at his REAL research and experements... Bose the man, with
the mans ideas and research not todays corporate multimillion
dollar marketing machine....

It does deserve some respect...
But of course there are always some that will not see....

Eddie Runner

I'm sure that Bose has done lots of research but I'm betting it was in
marketing, deception, and methods to build passable systems with dirt
cheap components.

Fry's Electronics is a big pusher of Bose speaker systems. I've
listened to their Bose equipment and it sounds very bad. Some of the
lowest-end trash from RCA and Optimus sounds less annoying. Bose knows
that too. That's why their product demos are very short bursts of loud
sound. Eight seconds of ear-splitting music or Hollywood explosions
doesn't allow time for interpretation, but it is impressively loud.

I have an old set of the direct reflecting speakers of theirs and they dont
sound bad at all especially for 15 yrs old.

"Eddie Runner" wrote in message
...
*INSIDE* ???

Are you implying Im not on the INSIDE of the audio
industry..??? Dont be a PUTZ, I was prolly a PRO
speaker tech before you were born....!!

being INSIDE doesnt actually mean anything either in
relation to predjudices... In the industry its common for a
store that didnt carry BOSE to use the saying
*no highs, no lows, it must be bose*
But we all know stores always knock what they dont sell...

As for the marketing, I have been workin on Bose stuff WAY
before they had all this WAVE RADIO marketing crap....

Go back before the marketing to the original JAES papers
writen by Bose, or the reasearch he did at MIT, or the sound
philosphys behind the reflected sounds some of his speakers
produce... Go back before the marketing bull**** and look
at his REAL research and experements... Bose the man, with
the mans ideas and research not todays corporate multimillion
dollar marketing machine....

It does deserve some respect...
But of course there are always some that will not see....

Eddie Runner

Pug Fugley wrote:

Please do a lookup on AMAR BOSE!
There is plenty of REAL TECHNOLOGY as well as a philosophy
that is deserving of some respect...

No, not really. It's just marketing. It's one of those things you learn
once
you are on the 'inside' of the audio industry.

http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

Anybody that says factory installed Bose systems suck obviously have not
heard the '03 and '04 Cadillac Escalade's Bose system. It's really
impressive. I'm not saying all Bose factory installed systems are
great(Nissan Maxima, etc.), but I am really impressed every time I turn
the knob on the Escalades. Also, to the guy that said Bose does not
let their speakers be A/B'd, I did an A/B/C comparison with Bose,
Infinity and Polk at Circuit City last year. I don't know if that was
permitted by Bose, but all the speakers were in one big room(kind of
hard for Bose to overlook in a visit to their retail sellers).


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Anybody that says factory installed Bose systems suck obviously have not
heard the '03 and '04 Cadillac Escalade's Bose system. It's really
impressive.

A) Notice it adds around $3000 to the price. It better sound good.
B) Impressive compared to what? The normal Delco crap found in those cars?
C) You honestly think you can't take that same $3000 and build a better
sounding system?
D) How many Bose speakers did you see at the last IASCA event?

My 96 Corvette had a Bose system in it that wasnt bad for stock but was
still gutted eventually.

"chippa" wrote in message
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Anybody that says factory installed Bose systems suck obviously have not
heard the '03 and '04 Cadillac Escalade's Bose system. It's really
impressive. I'm not saying all Bose factory installed systems are
great(Nissan Maxima, etc.), but I am really impressed every time I turn
the knob on the Escalades. Also, to the guy that said Bose does not
let their speakers be A/B'd, I did an A/B/C comparison with Bose,
Infinity and Polk at Circuit City last year. I don't know if that was
permitted by Bose, but all the speakers were in one big room(kind of
hard for Bose to overlook in a visit to their retail sellers).


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Please do a lookup on AMAR BOSE!
There is plenty of REAL TECHNOLOGY as well as a philosophy
that is deserving of some respect...


Very true. Look at what they are doing with cylindrical radiators. Very
application specific and definantly not the best BUT a great idea that will
likely be jumped on by many companies in the next few years.

Les

The reason bose does not sell aftermarket car audio equipment is because
of the essence of bose's sound quality, which is the physics of
acoustics. Bose engineers do not concentrate on making their speakers
the most "accurate" using the most neutral materials in an effort to
produce a 1:1 reproduction of sound. They are very clever at using
basic principals of acoustics to increase the perception of tones that
sound pleasing to the ears. Their direct reflection design incorporates
sound reflecting techniques to produce an enveloping sound field that
makes people feel like the sound is all around them. That midrange
surround sound is what average consumers are impressed by. It is the
sound that is the most difficult to reproduce in cars because of the
variation in listening areas, and enclosures. They are able to achieve
this through their enclosure designs. If you put the best bose speaker
in any other enclosure than what it was made for, it would sound like
crap. If you take apart the bose 301v home speakers, the inside of the
cabinet is like one big magnet. You can't reproduce that in a car.
There is so much variation in the acoustics of so many different cars.
They can not guarentee the same response, and quality from their
speakers in every car because their speakers are so enclosure specific.
With their low quality paper cones and weak surrounds, bose speakers
rely mostly on the design of the specific enclosure they are in to
produce their "bose quality" sound.

When bose makes "premium" sound packages for certian cars, they are
able to design the system to match the acoustics of that specific car.
That way they can control the performance of each component they
design. They use their own amps, crossovers, enclosures, source units.
As much as I wouldn't like to admit it and jump on the gimicky trendy
bose bandwagon, they do a very good job at it too. My grandfather has a
2003 cadillac seville with the bose system in it and it sounds really
nice. I personally prefer an accurate speaker with crystal clear highs
and solid lows. I am not trying to say that bose is good or bad. I am
simply saying that they have different methods of designing speakers
with different goals in mind than other manufacturers.
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The reason bose does not sell aftermarket car audio equipment is because
of the essence of bose's sound quality, which is the physics of
acoustics. Bose engineers do not concentrate on making their speakers
the most "accurate" using the most neutral materials in an effort to
produce a 1:1 reproduction of sound. They are very clever at using
basic principals of acoustics to increase the perception of tones that
sound pleasing to the ears. Their direct reflection design incorporates
sound reflecting techniques to produce an enveloping sound field that
makes people feel like the sound is all around them. That midrange
surround sound is what average consumers are impressed by. It is the
sound that is the most difficult to reproduce in cars because of the
variation in listening areas, and enclosures. They are able to achieve
this through their enclosure designs. If you put the best bose speaker
in any other enclosure than what it was made for, it would sound like
crap. If you take apart the bose 301v home speakers, the inside of the
cabinet is like one big magnet. You can't reproduce that in a car.
There is so much variation in the acoustics of so many different cars.
They can not guarentee the same response, and quality from their
speakers in every car because their speakers are so enclosure specific.
With their low quality paper cones and weak surrounds, bose speakers
rely mostly on the design of the specific enclosure they are in to
produce their "bose quality" sound.

When bose makes "premium" sound packages for certian cars, they are
able to design the system to match the acoustics of that specific car.
That way they can control the performance of each component they
design. They use their own amps, crossovers, enclosures, source units.
As much as I wouldn't like to admit it and jump on the gimicky trendy
bose bandwagon, they do a very good job at it too. My grandfather has a
2003 cadillac seville with the bose system in it and it sounds really
nice. I personally prefer an accurate speaker with crystal clear highs
and solid lows. I am not trying to say that bose is good or bad. I am
simply saying that they have different methods of designing speakers
with different goals in mind than other manufacturers.

Well put. But in my '98 seville, it wasn't actually the highs or lows that
made me want to change. It was the upper midrange (and the power/power
handling of course). It was almost up into the "tweeter side" of the
spectrum, considering these were fairly large cone tweeters. It was
difficult to pinpoint what exactly was at fault. But I thought the bass was
adequate, the midbass was quite good, and the highs weren't too horrible.
But then again, I've found that my tastes (compared to others) tend to be
more on the strong midrange side rather than the pronounced highs and bass.

Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
They're option kits for dealerships. I wouldn't call anything Bose
good, but it's less crappy than the $20 systems that come in most cars.

Sorry to inject some facts into the flame war, and I'm not
trying to be either pro-Bose or anti-Bose, but ...

Bose systems are all factory-installed. There are no dealer kits.

Pretty much the sole reason for Bose's success is that they have a
marketing department that is second-to-none. I'll use their home
speakers as an example.

If a consumer isn't big into home stereo and doesn't subscribe to any
of the high-end home stereo magazines, there are many high-end speaker
manufacturers that he's likely never heard of. Magnepan, Quad, Bowers
& Wilkins, Klipsch, Tannoy, Martin Logan, etcetera, etcetera. On the
other hand, anyone that gets the Sunday newspaper has heard of Bose,
because they usually have a full-page color ad in the PARADE section
for either their Wave Radio or one of their Lifestyle systems.

The same holds true for walk-in customers. To find any of the brands
I listed above, you generally have to go to a stand-alone "boutique"
stereo store. Meanwhile, the local mall where I live has a Bose store
in it. Also, as you've already noticed, many cars have Bose stereos
as factory- or dealer-installed optional equipment. The net result of
this is that almost *everyone* has heard of Bose, whereas the very
existence of many high-end speaker manufacturers is a mystery to most
people.

Now let's talk about sound quality. If you line up every home speaker
made on Earth, from the crappiest flea-market special to the
best-sounding speakers in the world, I think Bose falls out slightly
above average, and better than a lot of the consumer-grade stuff out
there.

So, they have an awesome marketing campaign, and speakers that sound
better than some of the more-common brands out there. Combine these
two facts, and this means that for a LOT of people, Bose is the first
(and often only) "good" speaker they've ever heard. It helps that the
Bose displays in stores are always excellent - the Bose representative
makes sure of that, often to the detriment of other brands.

So while there are a lot of speakers that sound better for the same,
or even less, money, the fact is that most people have no idea the
higher-end manufacturers even exist.

Scott Gardner




On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:16:16 -0500, "tim"
wrote:

sat in my pal's '03 grand-am today and noticed the soundsystem was pretty
good. even more surprised the speakers were courtesy of Bose, seeing i
didn't know they were in the car audio market. are they available to the
general public or are they exclusive for certain car companies?


thanks.


tim

Let us not forget the fact that Bose does NOT allow dealers the ability to
be able to A/B their speakers with any other brand. The Bose is off in it's
own room with nothing else around so you cannot get a good objective of how
they compare with other speakers. This gives the illusion that Bose is
'magical' or something..I don't know why people fall for it exactly, I just
feel sorry for them.

Pull the drivers out of a Bose system. Cheap paper cone spekaers that cost
$2. No tweeters. Tiny voice coils. Paper surround. Junk.



"Scott Gardner" wrote in message
...
Pretty much the sole reason for Bose's success is that they have a
marketing department that is second-to-none. I'll use their home
speakers as an example.

If a consumer isn't big into home stereo and doesn't subscribe to any
of the high-end home stereo magazines, there are many high-end speaker
manufacturers that he's likely never heard of. Magnepan, Quad, Bowers
& Wilkins, Klipsch, Tannoy, Martin Logan, etcetera, etcetera. On the
other hand, anyone that gets the Sunday newspaper has heard of Bose,
because they usually have a full-page color ad in the PARADE section
for either their Wave Radio or one of their Lifestyle systems.

The same holds true for walk-in customers. To find any of the brands
I listed above, you generally have to go to a stand-alone "boutique"
stereo store. Meanwhile, the local mall where I live has a Bose store
in it. Also, as you've already noticed, many cars have Bose stereos
as factory- or dealer-installed optional equipment. The net result of
this is that almost *everyone* has heard of Bose, whereas the very
existence of many high-end speaker manufacturers is a mystery to most
people.

Now let's talk about sound quality. If you line up every home speaker
made on Earth, from the crappiest flea-market special to the
best-sounding speakers in the world, I think Bose falls out slightly
above average, and better than a lot of the consumer-grade stuff out
there.

So, they have an awesome marketing campaign, and speakers that sound
better than some of the more-common brands out there. Combine these
two facts, and this means that for a LOT of people, Bose is the first
(and often only) "good" speaker they've ever heard. It helps that the
Bose displays in stores are always excellent - the Bose representative
makes sure of that, often to the detriment of other brands.

So while there are a lot of speakers that sound better for the same,
or even less, money, the fact is that most people have no idea the
higher-end manufacturers even exist.

Scott Gardner




On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:16:16 -0500, "tim"
wrote:

sat in my pal's '03 grand-am today and noticed the soundsystem was pretty
good. even more surprised the speakers were courtesy of Bose, seeing i
didn't know they were in the car audio market. are they available to the
general public or are they exclusive for certain car companies?


thanks.


tim

Pug Fugley wrote:
Let us not forget the fact that Bose does NOT allow dealers the ability to
be able to A/B their speakers with any other brand.

Sorry to inject some facts into the flame war, and I'm not
trying to be either pro-Bose or anti-Bose, but ...

Bose does not have any control over dealer demonstrations.

Bose has been doing factory systems for GM, HONDA,
MAZDA and more for years now ..decades even...
For a factory system they do a fairly decent job, they
have had some problems over the years but current OEM
systems are decent.....

Bose doesnt currently make anything for the car that is not
factory installed...

They dabbled in the aftermarket back about
1980 with some interesting products, including amplifiers with
adjustable equalizers built right on the front which were designed
to be mounted UNDERDASH (kinda large plate type amp)
where the driver could play with it
and some speakers with large grills with turnable and adjustable
reflectors build right on the front.... Pretty interesting for the days
of beginning high end car audio.....

So right now the only Bose for the car is from the factory.
It is good, but quite frankly its not that hard to get better sound
with decent aftermarket stereo gear...

Good luck
Eddie Runner

tim wrote:

sat in my pal's '03 grand-am today and noticed the soundsystem was pretty
good. even more surprised the speakers were courtesy of Bose, seeing i
didn't know they were in the car audio market. are they available to the
general public or are they exclusive for certain car companies?

thanks.

tim