[J.P.]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:57:43 GMT, Eeyore
wrote:



Patrick Turner wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
"J.P." wrote:

Well, if that is the same light

I'm sure it is

then I misheard 60 watts for 60 lumens..but so what..

So what ??? !!!!

There's about a ten times difference ! As if a ****wit like you would understand or
care. Check your facts before posting drivel again.

As it is, that lamp will be a poor substitute for a 25W incandescent.

The site at

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007...ed_lamp_ph.php

has a lamp which requires 3.5W of electric power to produce **60 lumens
per watt** of light, so 3.5W gives 210lumens.

a "14W" LED lamp would make 840 lumens, and thus be much more efficient
that any IL.

So far it seems, LED lamps top out at 3-4 W.


If you can read dutch, see the site at

http://www.lemnislighting.nl/

I found it the other day but no it wasn't much help on account of the language.

Another problem with white LEDs is that the more efficient ones tend to have a very high
colour temperature, typically 6000 - 7000 K which looks very blue. Not really very
satisfactory for domestic use. There are 'warm white' ones too but the luminous
efficiency for these drops off drastically.

Graham
You can't even read Dutch? God, what a dumbass...

[J.P.]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:25:00 GMT, Eeyore
wrote:



Fun Tyme wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Fun Tyme wrote:
Patrick Turner wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
"J.P." wrote:

Well, if that is the same light
I'm sure it is

then I misheard 60 watts for 60 lumens..but so what..
So what ??? !!!!

There's about a ten times difference ! As if a ****wit like you would understand or
care. Check your facts before posting drivel again.

As it is, that lamp will be a poor substitute for a 25W incandescent.
The site at

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007...ed_lamp_ph.php

has a lamp which requires 3.5W of electric power to produce **60 lumens
per watt** of light, so 3.5W gives 210lumens.

a "14W" LED lamp would make 840 lumens, and thus be much more efficient
that any IL.

If you can read dutch, see the site at

http://www.lemnislighting.nl/

Development of high-power LEDs is steadily progressing, for the latest
(quite recent at that)news from one mob.....LEDs suddenly got more
efficient.

http://www.cree.com/products/ledlamps.asp

The ultra efficient white leds have a very unpleasant 7000k colour temperature. You need
to look into the details.

Crikey you read that site in its entirety very quickly !

I already knew from reading about Osram and Luxeon leds.


I only quoted development of increases in efficiency, you need to look
into the details of my words.

The fact is development continues, and it is likely that increased
efficiency is occurring with respect to your favoured colour temperature
lamps.

I'm sure development is continuing but in view of how that LED lamp that started this
sub-thread was misreported, I'll hold my breath before believing any fantastic stories about
LED efficiency.

Graham
No, you'll do or say anything to replay that vain imagination the you
have one upped your dead old ass over someone else maggot brain...

[J.P.]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:56:26 -0400, Chuck Harris
wrote:

roughplanet wrote:

Your deductions of what's 'obvious' is flawed and the behavior of your
cat doesn't mean every cat on the planet does the same.

OK, I'll say it again. You obviously don't have a cat or have ever studied
their behaviour.
They all behave as I have suggested, or at least the vast majority do (the
ones that no God-playing breeders have stuffed around with excluded).

No they don't! The dominant cat will leave his feces uncovered on top of the
heap. It is only the submissive cat that will bury. When you take a
cat and make him domestic, he considers you to be dominant, and he takes on
a submissive role.... Of course, he still thinks you are incompetent, because
you can't hunt, so he feels contempt for you, and looks for opportunities to
take over, but you are so much bigger...


However, whether it's 10 feet or 30 feet is irrelevant. Your cat
doesn't give a tinker's dam what his **** and crap does to the planet.

You're either not reading what I said, or just can't understand it. Which is
it? I didn't even mention feet, as unlike you, I converted to decimals 30
years ago. Too hard for you were they?

These creatures are programmed to look after their environment.

I don't know about you but, like your cat, I don't **** in my bed either.

After some of the crap you've posted here, I'm not so sure about that.

All we do is bugger it up, whether it's by polluting the air, the
waterways & the
oceans, or by cutting down old growth forests at such a rate that
countries like
Malaysia & the Phillipines are now net importers of timber, something they
had millions of hectares of just 40 years ago.

And your cat is polluting whatever the heck it feels like, as long as
it ain't where he likes to play.

No he's not. His toilet habits are restricted to a small patch of ground
which I am able to turn over fairly regularly, preventing any polluting
whatsoever. Don't like cat's at all do you?

It wouldn't matter whether he used a small patch, or the whole of your
neighborhood. The quantity of "pollutants" he adds to the environment is
the same.

Ultimately the problems with pollution in the environment all come from the
same root cause: overpopulation. What would be acceptable with one family per
hundred acres becomes a big problem when you have 100 families per acre.

The greenies are advocating a romantic lifestyle that is more in tune with
the one family per hundred acre density: burning fallen wood, composting
toilets, collecting rain water, solar power, composting garbage, keeping
chickens and pigs, subsistence gardening ...

Their ideas when extrapolated to 100 families per acre will result in a
mosquito, rat and mouse infested, sewage covered world. The fresh water
supply will be contaminated with bacteria and like city life in the middle
ages, man will die off from disease and plagues. Which appears to be the
ultimate goal (remember man is bad, or as you said: "Man stinks.").


Man stinks. When you worship the dollar, what else can you expect?

What's clear is you simple hate people..

I think you meant 'simply' or was that a weird form of insult to go with
your other weird beliefs, and you just left out a comma?

Mankind is the only creature that gives a tinker's dam about his crap.

Again, I'll repeat myself....

Tell that to the people who live close to Sydney's Northern beaches, quite a
few of which have sewerage outlets less than 1 km offshore. After heavy
rains, these outfalls dump hundreds of thousands of litres of raw sewerage
into the ocean, closing the beaches & polluting the sea for weeks on end.
Sure, the people who have to live with the stink care, but the Government
doesn't, and after all, they are the 'creatures' calling the shots.

That is because they are not willing to pay for a properly designed sewage
treatment system. If they really wanted it changed, and put up the money,
it would get changed.

-Chuck
Just hire Eyesore to come over and eat all that ****...right down his
alley..maybe he'll just fly over like Harry Potter with his genious
mentality...

[Fun Tyme]

J.P. wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:25:00 GMT, Eeyore
wrote:


Fun Tyme wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Fun Tyme wrote:
Patrick Turner wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
"J.P." wrote:

Well, if that is the same light
I'm sure it is

then I misheard 60 watts for 60 lumens..but so what..
So what ??? !!!!

There's about a ten times difference ! As if a ****wit like you would understand or
care. Check your facts before posting drivel again.

As it is, that lamp will be a poor substitute for a 25W incandescent.
The site at

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007...ed_lamp_ph.php

has a lamp which requires 3.5W of electric power to produce **60 lumens
per watt** of light, so 3.5W gives 210lumens.

a "14W" LED lamp would make 840 lumens, and thus be much more efficient
that any IL.

If you can read dutch, see the site at

http://www.lemnislighting.nl/
Development of high-power LEDs is steadily progressing, for the latest
(quite recent at that)news from one mob.....LEDs suddenly got more
efficient.

http://www.cree.com/products/ledlamps.asp
The ultra efficient white leds have a very unpleasant 7000k colour temperature. You need
to look into the details.
Crikey you read that site in its entirety very quickly !
I already knew from reading about Osram and Luxeon leds.


I only quoted development of increases in efficiency, you need to look
into the details of my words.

The fact is development continues, and it is likely that increased
efficiency is occurring with respect to your favoured colour temperature
lamps.
I'm sure development is continuing but in view of how that LED lamp that started this
sub-thread was misreported, I'll hold my breath before believing any fantastic stories about
LED efficiency.

Graham
No, you'll do or say anything to replay that vain imagination the you
have one upped your dead old ass over someone else maggot brain...

$$ - More information for those who *would* learn.

DURHAM, NC, MARCH 21, 2007 — Cree, Inc. (Nasdaq: CREE), a market
leader in LED solid-state lighting components, today announced that it
is shipping warm white XLamp LEDs that produce up to 124 lumens at a
correlated color temperature (CCT) of 3,000 K when driven at 700 mA.
Unlike most warm white power LEDs, XLamp LEDs are qualified to run at up
to 700 mA. With this announcement, XLamp LED lighting-class brightness
and efficiency is now available in warm white from Cree.

The availability of high-performance LEDs across a full range of color
temperatures can allow lighting manufacturers to build cost-effective
LED fixtures for many indoor home and office applications, helping meet
the need for energy-efficient, environmentally friendly lighting. The
new warm white is available in both the XLamp XR-E and XR-C power LED
families that are binned to the proposed ANSI standard, allowing
manufacturers to select LEDs the same way they select bulbs today.

“The LED industry has struggled to boost the brightness and efficiency
of warm white LEDs, which have historically offered significantly lower
performance than cool white LEDs,” stated Norbert Hiller, Cree Lighting
general manager and vice president. “The new XLamp warm white LEDs hold
a stable color point and offer lighting designers and architects the
first lighting-class warm white LED light source for general
illumination applications that have traditionally been lit with
incandescent light sources.”


$$ - As stated previously, development continues on efficient devices at
colour temperatures more pleasing to some eyes...and NO - I don't sell them.

The above quoted information C+Peed from :-

http://www.cutter.com.au/index.php

- down the RHS column.

[Eeyore]

Fun Tyme wrote:

$$ - More information for those who *would* learn.

DURHAM, NC, MARCH 21, 2007 — Cree, Inc. (Nasdaq: CREE), a market
leader in LED solid-state lighting components, today announced that it
is shipping warm white XLamp LEDs that produce up to 124 lumens at a
correlated color temperature (CCT) of 3,000 K when driven at 700 mA.
Unlike most warm white power LEDs, XLamp LEDs are qualified to run at up
to 700 mA. With this announcement, XLamp LED lighting-class brightness
and efficiency is now available in warm white from Cree.

124 lumens @ 700mA. The forward voltage is ~ 4V.
http://www.cree.com/Products/lightleds.htm

So that's 44 lumens / W - still well below the typical 60 for CFLs.

I suggest YOU do some learning about how to read press releases (and the lies therein) !

Graham

[Patrick Turner]

Eeyore wrote:

Fun Tyme wrote:

$$ - More information for those who *would* learn.

DURHAM, NC, MARCH 21, 2007 — Cree, Inc. (Nasdaq: CREE), a market
leader in LED solid-state lighting components, today announced that it
is shipping warm white XLamp LEDs that produce up to 124 lumens at a
correlated color temperature (CCT) of 3,000 K when driven at 700 mA.
Unlike most warm white power LEDs, XLamp LEDs are qualified to run at up
to 700 mA. With this announcement, XLamp LED lighting-class brightness
and efficiency is now available in warm white from Cree.

124 lumens @ 700mA. The forward voltage is ~ 4V.
http://www.cree.com/Products/lightleds.htm

So that's 44 lumens / W - still well below the typical 60 for CFLs.

I suggest YOU do some learning about how to read press releases (and the lies therein) !

Graham

Here they are replacing the ILs in traffic lights at intersections
with what appear to be brighter LED based red, green and yellow lights.
Wow, are they bright! And of course maybe they last longer, and the
savings on
goods and services to replace blown lights in such critical places
is a form of greenhouse reductions.

We need everything to last 30 years.

Houses, cars, people, wives even, vacuum tubes, and all that other stuff
that shouldn't need
to be replaced so soon.

Patrick Turner.

[Fun Tyme]

Patrick Turner wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Fun Tyme wrote:

$$ - More information for those who *would* learn.

DURHAM, NC, MARCH 21, 2007 — Cree, Inc. (Nasdaq: CREE), a market
leader in LED solid-state lighting components, today announced that it
is shipping warm white XLamp LEDs that produce up to 124 lumens at a
correlated color temperature (CCT) of 3,000 K when driven at 700 mA.
Unlike most warm white power LEDs, XLamp LEDs are qualified to run at up
to 700 mA. With this announcement, XLamp LED lighting-class brightness
and efficiency is now available in warm white from Cree.
124 lumens @ 700mA. The forward voltage is ~ 4V.
http://www.cree.com/Products/lightleds.htm

So that's 44 lumens / W - still well below the typical 60 for CFLs.

I suggest YOU do some learning about how to read press releases (and the lies therein) !

Graham

Here they are replacing the ILs in traffic lights at intersections
with what appear to be brighter LED based red, green and yellow lights.
Wow, are they bright! And of course maybe they last longer, and the
savings on
goods and services to replace blown lights in such critical places
is a form of greenhouse reductions.

We need everything to last 30 years.

Houses, cars, people, wives even, vacuum tubes, and all that other stuff
that shouldn't need
to be replaced so soon.

Patrick Turner.

100 lumens/W ? Close ! Better than 70 lm/W available for some time.

" As shown in the chart, the minimum flux of 114 lm for the R2 bin
equates to

the magic efficacy number of 100 lm/W."

http://www.ledsmagazine.com/news/4/6/37


No need to get nasty !

[Eeyore]

Fun Tyme wrote:

" As shown in the chart, the minimum flux of 114 lm for the R2 bin
equates to

the magic efficacy number of 100 lm/W."

http://www.ledsmagazine.com/news/4/6/37

This corresponds to a minimum efficacy of around 86 lm/W.

they refer to Cree's "Q4" bin

the numbers refer to cool white LEDs NOT SUITABLE FOR DOMESTIC LIGHTING

the minimum flux of 114 lm for the R2 bin equates to the magic efficacy number of 100 lm/W


You might care to note that the 100 lumens/watt figure relates to operation @ 350mA. Efficiency
drops significantly at 700mA.

Graham

[-=Spudley=-]

snip

Hmmmm.....you obviously don't have a cat. I do. He's 16 years old,
neutered
(of course), deaf & blind. But he STILL takes himself outside into the
garden, finds a patch of dirt, digs a hole, poops or ****es in it & then
covers it up again before coming inside.

Your deductions of what's 'obvious' is flawed and the behavior of your
cat doesn't mean every cat on the planet does the same.


I've seen a cat that would literally poop/pee in the toilet and then flush
it away.
Is that environmentally minded or just well trained?

Some animals (Dogs and Cats in particular) will instinctively poop in the
garden and then try to bury it.
That's probably more of a survival instinct than an environment thing
though.

snip

[Jeßus[_3_]]

-=Spudley=- wrote:
snip

Hmmmm.....you obviously don't have a cat. I do. He's 16 years old,
neutered
(of course), deaf & blind. But he STILL takes himself outside into the
garden, finds a patch of dirt, digs a hole, poops or ****es in it & then
covers it up again before coming inside.
Your deductions of what's 'obvious' is flawed and the behavior of your
cat doesn't mean every cat on the planet does the same.


I've seen a cat that would literally poop/pee in the toilet and then flush
it away.
Is that environmentally minded or just well trained?

Some animals (Dogs and Cats in particular) will instinctively poop in the
garden and then try to bury it.
That's probably more of a survival instinct than an environment thing
though.

Yes, its survival instinct.

[a t e c 7 7]

Jeßus wrote:
-=Spudley=- wrote:
snip

Hmmmm.....you obviously don't have a cat. I do. He's 16 years old,
neutered
(of course), deaf & blind. But he STILL takes himself outside into the
garden, finds a patch of dirt, digs a hole, poops or ****es in it &
then
covers it up again before coming inside.
Your deductions of what's 'obvious' is flawed and the behavior of your
cat doesn't mean every cat on the planet does the same.


I've seen a cat that would literally poop/pee in the toilet and then
flush it away.
Is that environmentally minded or just well trained?

Some animals (Dogs and Cats in particular) will instinctively poop in
the garden and then try to bury it.
That's probably more of a survival instinct than an environment thing
though.

Yes, its survival instinct.
Cats look good buried after the puppies are finished with them .

[Jeßus[_3_]]

a t e c 7 7 wrote:
Jeßus wrote:
-=Spudley=- wrote:
snip

Hmmmm.....you obviously don't have a cat. I do. He's 16 years old,
neutered
(of course), deaf & blind. But he STILL takes himself outside into
the
garden, finds a patch of dirt, digs a hole, poops or ****es in it &
then
covers it up again before coming inside.
Your deductions of what's 'obvious' is flawed and the behavior of your
cat doesn't mean every cat on the planet does the same.


I've seen a cat that would literally poop/pee in the toilet and then
flush it away.
Is that environmentally minded or just well trained?

Some animals (Dogs and Cats in particular) will instinctively poop in
the garden and then try to bury it.
That's probably more of a survival instinct than an environment thing
though.

Yes, its survival instinct.
Cats look good buried after the puppies are finished with them .

Right under your carcass, ****.

[a t e c 7 7]

Jeßus wrote:
a t e c 7 7 wrote:
Jeßus wrote:
-=Spudley=- wrote:
snip

Hmmmm.....you obviously don't have a cat. I do. He's 16 years old,
neutered
(of course), deaf & blind. But he STILL takes himself outside
into the
garden, finds a patch of dirt, digs a hole, poops or ****es in it
& then
covers it up again before coming inside.
Your deductions of what's 'obvious' is flawed and the behavior of your
cat doesn't mean every cat on the planet does the same.


I've seen a cat that would literally poop/pee in the toilet and then
flush it away.
Is that environmentally minded or just well trained?

Some animals (Dogs and Cats in particular) will instinctively poop
in the garden and then try to bury it.
That's probably more of a survival instinct than an environment
thing though.

Yes, its survival instinct.
Cats look good buried after the puppies are finished with them .

Right under your carcass, ****.
ask about how I know and dont be suckered .

[Alan Rutlidge]

"a t e c 7 7" "atec 77 at hotmail dot com" wrote in message
...
Jeßus wrote:
a t e c 7 7 wrote:
Jeßus wrote:
-=Spudley=- wrote:
snip

Hmmmm.....you obviously don't have a cat. I do. He's 16 years old,
neutered
(of course), deaf & blind. But he STILL takes himself outside into
the
garden, finds a patch of dirt, digs a hole, poops or ****es in it &
then
covers it up again before coming inside.
Your deductions of what's 'obvious' is flawed and the behavior of
your
cat doesn't mean every cat on the planet does the same.


I've seen a cat that would literally poop/pee in the toilet and then
flush it away.
Is that environmentally minded or just well trained?

Some animals (Dogs and Cats in particular) will instinctively poop in
the garden and then try to bury it.
That's probably more of a survival instinct than an environment thing
though.

Yes, its survival instinct.
Cats look good buried after the puppies are finished with them .

Right under your carcass, ****.
ask about how I know and dont be suckered .

Amazing how a thread on a 20W amplifier can so quickly become unravelled.
:-(
Anyone wanna get back to discussing hi-fi? Even the light bulb part was
more interesting than this crap.

[a t e c 7 7]

Alan Rutlidge wrote:
"a t e c 7 7" "atec 77 at hotmail dot com" wrote in message
...
Jeßus wrote:
a t e c 7 7 wrote:
Jeßus wrote:
-=Spudley=- wrote:
snip

Hmmmm.....you obviously don't have a cat. I do. He's 16 years old,
neutered
(of course), deaf & blind. But he STILL takes himself outside into
the
garden, finds a patch of dirt, digs a hole, poops or ****es in it &
then
covers it up again before coming inside.
Your deductions of what's 'obvious' is flawed and the behavior of
your
cat doesn't mean every cat on the planet does the same.

I've seen a cat that would literally poop/pee in the toilet and then
flush it away.
Is that environmentally minded or just well trained?

Some animals (Dogs and Cats in particular) will instinctively poop in
the garden and then try to bury it.
That's probably more of a survival instinct than an environment thing
though.
Yes, its survival instinct.
Cats look good buried after the puppies are finished with them .
Right under your carcass, ****.
ask about how I know and dont be suckered .

Amazing how a thread on a 20W amplifier can so quickly become unravelled.
:-(
Anyone wanna get back to discussing hi-fi? Even the light bulb part was
more interesting than this crap.



If you like , I found an old amp the other Sunday morning at a yard sale
A sansui all 101 , I also found another Dynaco series and couldn't
pass the two of them for $3.00 all in
A pleasing mornings shopping

[roughplanet]

"Chuck Harris" wrote in message
...

roughplanet wrote:

I have observed cats for many years.

When, whilst you were shootin' em?

No, they were beloved pets of mine. I have never killed, or
shot at a cat.

Im glad to hear that. Pity about all the other animals though.

She wouldn't likely do this for you if she didn't think you were a
failure
as a hunter, and needed a lot of additional help... failure --
incompetent.

Once again, you're reading my cat's (and presumably, all other cats') minds.
Pray tell, how would displaying his kills help me become a better hunter?
IMO he is PROUDLY displaying HIS hunting ability, and the fact that he has
often lined up his kills (snakes usually) would seem to confirm that.

Well, as none of my cats (I have had 4) has ever left a dying animal for
me
to find, only dead ones, then what do you think they were trying to tell
me?

I think they were telling you that you were too pathetic a hunter to even
warrant a try at chasing a wounded animal. It was an offering of food.

See above.

That your cat finds you contemptible is evidenced in the continuous
stream
of mean little infractions of your rules: The poop in your shoes,
searching out and ****ing on your favorite hat, ****ing on your side of
the bed
after you have disciplined the cat... Every cat owner (that has paid any
attention) can list a number of intentionally mean little things his cat
has done to
him.

Once again, you've got it wrong Chuckie. None of them ever did any of the
things you mentioned, or anything remotely like them. The only time any
of
my cats did anything to me was after I had embarrassed them, not
intentionally, but, to give you an example, laughing at them after they
tried to walk on a newspaper I was reading.
I figured I deserved it, and didn't do it again, hence, no more
retribution.

Hmm? First you tell me they don't, then you tell me how they did...

Do you have a problem understanding English Chuckie? You were talking about
'a continuous stream of mean little infractions of my rules'. I quoted ONE
example which IMO, was deserved. If you are unable to see any difference
between the two, then there's not much point discussing anything else with
you.

I don't think you can embarrass a cat Ruffie. They don't have the same
values as humans, and I can't recall ever seeing one do anything that
would
even remotely resemble a laugh. So I doubt that they understand the
meaning
of your laughter. To them it is just one more of the many puzzling noises
you
make.

Then you've never owned a Siamese cat Chuckie. Their ability to mimick human
behaviour, and act in a manner that is very human-like is quite astounding.

The poop burying issue is well documented in feline research.

A student of feline research as well Chuckie? Boy, your interests are many &
varied aren't they?

However, whether it's 10 feet or 30 feet is irrelevant. Your cat
doesn't give a tinker's dam what his **** and crap does to the
planet.

You're either not reading what I said, or just can't understand it.
Which is it? I didn't even mention feet, as unlike you, I converted
to
decimals 30 years ago. Too hard for you were they?

These creatures are programmed to look after their environment.

I'm not sure that many of my neighbours would agree with that. Where he
****s IS what matters, not how much, as I effectively nullify any
polluting effects his faeces might cause.

That is just you, the benevolent slave cleaning up after "your" cat, not
your cat's environmental consciousness at work.

I didn't mention environmental consciousness; that's your theory & you
can
keep it.

Sure you did, you said cats were wired to protect their environment.

Precisely. Wired, as in 'hard wired'. No consciousness necessary. Capice?

What I said was that where my cat ****s is likely to be of concern to my
neighbours, that's all. Your silly theories are just that, silly, and
because they are unprovable, are totally worthless.

And yours are the same even more so. You are looking at your cat's
behavior
like it was a little human. It isn't.

No, probably not. Ours is probably more cat-like, eh?

They can advocate anything they like. Only sensible proposals, like
saving water & solar power are likely to get much of a hearing.

Sure they can! They have you believing that man-made CO2 is causing the
Earth's climate to change when every single scrap of evidence shows that
warming temperatures cause the CO2 levels to rise.

Wow Chuck, you're really incredible. Not satisfied with being able to
read
the mind of my cat, now you're reading mine! How do you know WHAT I
BELIEVE, much less whether or not the greenies have influenced me one way
or another?

I'll have to check the record, but I am pretty sure I saw something from
you about
global warming. If I misremembered, I apologize.... though I am not sure
why I should offer that little token of politeness.

Your apology is accepted anyway Chuckie.

Their ideas when extrapolated to 100 families per acre will result in a
mosquito, rat and mouse infested, sewage covered world. The fresh
water
supply will be contaminated with bacteria and like city life in the
middle ages, man will die off from disease and plagues. Which appears
to be the ultimate goal (remember man is bad, or as you said: "Man
stinks.").

Man definitely does stink, but what that has to do with your
extrapolation, which is never likely to happen, I'm not sure. Perhaps
you're trying to make some sort of anti-greenie point, is that it?
C'mon, don't be shy.....out with it. If you're a member of the NRA or a
Midnight Gardener, we'll understand :-).

Yes I am a member of the NRA. More than 1/2 of my dues go to wildlife
conservation efforts. There is no hunting without something, or
someplace
to hunt.

I just knew it. How many rifles, shotguns & handguns do you own Chuck,
and
would you contribute a cent in dues if it didn't guarantee you more
animals
for you to kill?

Actually, my membership has more to do with political reasons. But I can
see
that you wouldn't understand that.

WOW! That's a first. A self-confessed killer who gives money to ensure that
there'll be enough animals around to satisfy his desire for blood, and all
for political reasons.
Have you ANY idea how stupid that sounds Chuckie?

No wonder half the world hates you & your kind.

I doubt that I could even garner a yawn out of half of the world, let
alone
a feeling of hate. But I guess you polled them all, so you would know.

I can read Chuckie, and am able to understand what I'm reading. Only last
month the Bulletin magazine had an article on just that point. Their
conclusion was that it was more like 70%. I was just being charitable.

..Shoot woodchucks with anti-tank rifles, do you?

Not to my recollection. Do you?

Of course not. We have sensible gun laws in this country, although in the
opinion of many, they are still too lax. But I have seen articles on fools
in the US doing it, and as you're a proud, card-carrying member of the NRA,
I thought that if the cap fits........

I do have a rather serious problem with woodchuck holes in my fields and
pastures. Do you have a non violent solution? (Ignoring them just gets me
tossed off of my tractor, and horse legs broken.)

Yeah, use a biological method of extermination, the same as we've done with
rabbits.
It's far from perfect, but it sure beats the hell out of having to shoot
them one at a time.

But first, I suggest that you have a plan worked out... mobs are
notoriously bad planners.

Oh, we have a plan all right. We've achieved one hell of a lot already
this
year, including getting RU 486 removed from the clutches of our URW
Catholic
Minister for Health, having our own home-grown terrorist brought back to
Australia, and that's just for starters.
When the election rolls around in November, we have the numbers to effect
more changes than most people would believe. But in a country that's
approx.
2/3 the size of the US, but has only 7% of its population, it's a tad
difficult to achieve much at all without generous donors, you know, like
Charlton Heston, Arnold Schwarzenegger et al.

Political change can happen, but it is very hard work. It may surprise
you, but there is more disposable money in the pockets of Joe and Jane
Sixpack
than in the hands of all of the Bill Gateses, etc.
Ask Derek Obama, one of the candidates for president in the US. He has
raised more money than Hillary Clinton, the darling of the rich liberals.

On that we can agree. We have raised a huge amount of money this year for a
number of causes, and in fact are having the first of our pre-election
meetings all over Australia this evening. Look out for us..we're called
Getup!

If you don't like it, come up with a plan and sell it to the people. The
rest will follow. QED

It surely will Chuck, but we'll do it without the need for a bunch of gun
totin' 4WD'g, hound dawg breedin' Republican rednecks on our side.

I am pretty sure that my political affiliation has never been discussed,
or
even hinted at. Nor have I recommended that you use guns, 4WD, WD40, or
hound dwg's to achieve your political goals. So why bring up your
favorite offensive anti-American stereotypes? (Unless your goal is to be
offensive?)

You got me there Chuckie. It's my turn to aplogise, although I was referring
to Charlton Heston and not yourself.. I saw him on television on his
appointment to President(?) of the NRA, and the crazy look in his eyes
caused the hairs on the back of my neck to stand.
He & Don Rumsfeld should go shooting together some time, preferably in Iraq,
and also without any armour just like he (Rumsfeld) denied those guys in
the humvees & tanks.

Cheers Chuckie.

ruff

[Alan Rutlidge]

"a t e c 7 7" "atec 77 at hotmail dot com" wrote in message
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Alan Rutlidge wrote:
"a t e c 7 7" "atec 77 at hotmail dot com" wrote in message
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Jeßus wrote:
a t e c 7 7 wrote:
Jeßus wrote:
-=Spudley=- wrote:
snip

Hmmmm.....you obviously don't have a cat. I do. He's 16 years old,
neutered
(of course), deaf & blind. But he STILL takes himself outside
into the
garden, finds a patch of dirt, digs a hole, poops or ****es in it
& then
covers it up again before coming inside.
Your deductions of what's 'obvious' is flawed and the behavior of
your
cat doesn't mean every cat on the planet does the same.

I've seen a cat that would literally poop/pee in the toilet and then
flush it away.
Is that environmentally minded or just well trained?

Some animals (Dogs and Cats in particular) will instinctively poop
in the garden and then try to bury it.
That's probably more of a survival instinct than an environment
thing though.
Yes, its survival instinct.
Cats look good buried after the puppies are finished with them .
Right under your carcass, ****.
ask about how I know and dont be suckered .

Amazing how a thread on a 20W amplifier can so quickly become unravelled.
:-(
Anyone wanna get back to discussing hi-fi? Even the light bulb part was
more interesting than this crap.



If you like , I found an old amp the other Sunday morning at a yard sale
A sansui all 101 , I also found another Dynaco series and couldn't pass
the two of them for $3.00 all in
A pleasing mornings shopping

Actually nothing much fundamentally wrong with some of these older SS amps
of the 70's.
Picked up a faulty Sansui AU-417 and a perfectly good TU-417 for nicks.
The tuner works quite nicely - a lot nicer sounding than some of the more
recent digital synthesised tuning models of the 90's that I've owned.
I'm sure the AU-417 will be a goer as soon as I get "a round tuit" and fix
it. :-)

Cheers,
Alan

[bassett[_2_]]

----- Original Message -----
From: "roughplanet"
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi,rec.audio.tubes
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:41 PM
Subject: Light bulb efficiency etc was 20W Class A Amp in SC



Yeah, use a biological method of extermination, the same as we've done
with rabbits.
It's far from perfect, but it sure beats the hell out of having to shoot
them one at a time.

ruff

Nothing like a good epidemic, "ruffles" What we need is a good
hybrid strain of cat flue. And with just a little bit of luck and
the wind in the right direction, it might knock out some of the
bloody moggie owners as well

And what's wrong with someone with a gun popping off your friendly
neighbourhood moggie, Much cleaner then running over the things with
a truck, and the trouble is when you do drive at one, the rotten
little ****s move out the way.
And when you shoot them, there undamaged, apart from being dead,
There so'so usefull, you can make nice fur hats for winter,
Cloves, String tennis rackets, sell the meat to your friendly
"Gates of Bombay" Indian restarant, or stuff them with sawdust,
and give to the kiddie's for Christmas. And the great thing is,
they don't **** everywhere and don't need feeding, and never look
thin.

I read a book once, only one, the hole idea of reading is completly
pointless, It was called 99 things you can do with a dead Cat. One
bloke used one for a letter box, another made a worm farm out of
one, You can stuff-um with concrete for Door stops.
And when you start up a Septic Tank system, there's nothing like a
dead cat to get the bacteria going, it's almost compulsory. There so
much more useful dead then alive.

bassett

[Arny Krueger]

"Chuck Harris" wrote in
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robert casey wrote:


Suggest you read....
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/200...o-fascism.html


** Nice pic of the internals of a CFL there.


I've found that with CFLs, it's the florescent bulb part
is the part that usually craps out first. I've been
able to reuse the electronic ballasts to light up a
F15T8 florescent tube. Or reuse the electrolytic caps
in old radios or tube amps. Seems that some manufacturer should be able
to place the
electronic ballast in the center of the florescent
spiral instead of under it, to reduce the size of the
damm things...

My experience doesn't match yours. With the Chinese CFL's
that we get at our local borg, the base unit usually burns
up with lots of micarta smoke. When I do a postmortem, I
always find that the 10uf 250V, 85C filter capacitor has
dried out from the heat. I also find a few flamed
resistors, and the filament of the tube is open.

I get about 1 year out of most units, and have a box full
of the dead burnt remains.

What's the power line voltage that you are using?

[Arny Krueger]

"Eeyore" wrote in
message
robert casey wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

And why do you think that ?

Voltage rating is highly unlikely to be the cause of
burn-up after 1000s of hours use anyway.

forgot to add: Transient spikes on our 120V powerlines
not as severe as those on 240V mains?

I have no idea.

There seems to be a strong trend for CFLs to last a lot longer in 120 volt
country.