This sound you could never reproduce with a amp sim. This is "that sound"
Alot of people know how to do it.. but years of searching the internet I
never came across this method. I know some of you out thier know the one im
talking about.. Nobody wants to come off the secret.. So I will keep the
secret as well.. those who turly yearn for that sound.. you will have to
quest to find it.. but I promis its thier. I will give one obvious clue..
it starts with a solid distortion from the amp, one thats not so fuzzy you
can't identify the notes..

Good Luck

Leon

HUH????

"J&L" wrote in message
news:qpH%b.18350$qL1.15862@fed1read02...

This sound you could never reproduce with a amp sim. This is "that sound"
Alot of people know how to do it.. but years of searching the internet I
never came across this method. I know some of you out thier know the one
im
talking about.. Nobody wants to come off the secret.. So I will keep the
secret as well.. those who turly yearn for that sound.. you will have to
quest to find it.. but I promis its thier. I will give one obvious clue..
it starts with a solid distortion from the amp, one thats not so fuzzy you
can't identify the notes..

....and a certain level of beer. Not so much that you can't identify the
notes.

dtk

"J&L" wrote in message
news:qpH%b.18350$qL1.15862@fed1read02...

This sound you could never reproduce with a amp sim. This is "that sound"
Alot of people know how to do it.. but years of searching the internet I
never came across this method. I know some of you out thier know the one
im
talking about.. Nobody wants to come off the secret.. So I will keep the
secret as well.. those who turly yearn for that sound.. you will have to
quest to find it.. but I promis its thier. I will give one obvious clue..
it starts with a solid distortion from the amp, one thats not so fuzzy you
can't identify the notes..

Easy... it starts with a good guitarist. Then you need a decent guitar.
Then you need a decent sounding tube amp, cranked way up to get it's
distortion from driving the power tubes rather than preamp distortion. The
you need a couple good mics to get both the sound of the amp and the sound
of the room. And then you need a good song to put it in. So, talented
guitarist + decent equipment (includes the room) + volume up + good song =
great guitar tone. It's worth noting that the toughest parts of that
equation are the talented guitarist and the good song.

ryanm

Well that may work. as well.. but im talking about a very particular micing
technique once you got the good tone..



Leon

I believe it's called a Royer 121 microphone!


"J&L" wrote in message
news:f0K%b.18359$qL1.15899@fed1read02...
Well that may work. as well.. but im talking about a very particular
micing
technique once you got the good tone..



Leon

In article qpH%b.18350$qL1.15862@fed1read02 writes:

This sound you could never reproduce with a amp sim. This is "that sound"
Alot of people know how to do it.. but years of searching the internet I
never came across this method.

Why would anyone search the Internet to find how to get "that sound"
for a guitar? In fact, why copy somebody's sound?

I guess I'm just not interested in your secret, so nya, nya, nya.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Nobody wants to come off the secret.. So I will keep the
secret as well..

OK, I'll spill the beans.... the secret is, there is no secret. Either you have
ears or you don't. But thanks SO much for contributing to this forum.


Scott Fraser

In article qpH%b.18350$qL1.15862@fed1read02 writes
Nobody wants to come off the secret.. So I will keep the
secret as well..

I think he is talking about where to put the mic on the guitar amp's speaker.
Its really no big thing you just have to find the right spot for the sound you
want.
By the way Leon, while your here buy a RAP CD (if you've not yet) from Harvey
Gerst or an LP from Scott Dorsey. They really need to get them out of there
house's and besides it a great set of CD's.

Raymond wrote:
In article qpH%b.18350$qL1.15862@fed1read02 writes
Nobody wants to come off the secret.. So I will keep the
secret as well..

I think he is talking about where to put the mic on the guitar amp's speaker.
Its really no big thing you just have to find the right spot for the sound you
want.

First, make sure the spot is in front of Steve Vai's speaker....
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Is this thread backwards? Ryanm's thread is the first one I understood.
haha...
later,
m

"ryanm" wrote in message ...

great guitar tone. It's worth noting that the toughest parts of that
equation are the talented guitarist and the good song.

and not necessarily in that order.

Or Ry Cooder. ;-)

Jim M

Scott Dorsey wrote:

Raymond wrote:

In article qpH%b.18350$qL1.15862@fed1read02 writes

Nobody wants to come off the secret.. So I will keep the
secret as well..

I think he is talking about where to put the mic on the guitar amp's speaker.
Its really no big thing you just have to find the right spot for the sound you
want.


First, make sure the spot is in front of Steve Vai's speaker....
--scott

--
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat
you with experience.

J&L wrote:
This sound you could never reproduce with a amp sim. This is "that sound"
Alot of people know how to do it.. but years of searching the internet I
never came across this method. I know some of you out thier know the one im
talking about.. Nobody wants to come off the secret.. So I will keep the
secret as well.. those who turly yearn for that sound.. you will have to
quest to find it.. but I promis its thier. I will give one obvious clue..
it starts with a solid distortion from the amp, one thats not so fuzzy you
can't identify the notes..

Good Luck

Leon



You suck cocks.
Queso

"ryanm" wrote in message ...
"J&L" wrote in message
news:qpH%b.18350$qL1.15862@fed1read02...

This sound you could never reproduce with a amp sim. This is "that sound"
Alot of people know how to do it.. but years of searching the internet I
never came across this method. I know some of you out thier know the one
im
talking about.. Nobody wants to come off the secret.. So I will keep the
secret as well.. those who turly yearn for that sound.. you will have to
quest to find it.. but I promis its thier. I will give one obvious clue..
it starts with a solid distortion from the amp, one thats not so fuzzy you
can't identify the notes..

Easy... it starts with a good guitarist. Then you need a decent guitar.
Then you need a decent sounding tube amp, cranked way up to get it's
distortion from driving the power tubes rather than preamp distortion. The
you need a couple good mics to get both the sound of the amp and the sound
of the room. And then you need a good song to put it in. So, talented
guitarist + decent equipment (includes the room) + volume up + good song =
great guitar tone. It's worth noting that the toughest parts of that
equation are the talented guitarist and the good song.

ryanm

I'd agree. At least 90% comes from the player, his (or her)
instrument, the amp and the room. However, the mic and the rest of the
chain can then screw up the sound, if not done properly.

Karl Winkler
Sennheiser
http://www.sennheiserusa.com

"J&L" wrote:

This sound you could never reproduce with a amp sim. This is "that sound"
Alot of people know how to do it.. but years of searching the internet I
never came across this method. I know some of you out thier know the one im
talking about.. Nobody wants to come off the secret.. So I will keep the
secret as well.. those who turly yearn for that sound.. you will have to
quest to find it.. but I promis its thier. I will give one obvious clue..
it starts with a solid distortion from the amp, one thats not so fuzzy you
can't identify the notes..

You mean to say that distorted guitar starts with distortion from a
guitar amp?

smacks head

Now why didn't I think of that?

And I'll never find this on the Internet? Someone should set up a
guitar amp server. Stream your sounds up and get "that sound" back.

My pick for hilarious post of the month.

Good Luck

No, good luck to you!

-- robin

In article writes:

I think he is talking about where to put the mic on the guitar amp's speaker.
Its really no big thing you just have to find the right spot for the sound you
want.

It's really only a secret for his amplifier, and he's not going to let
anyone else use that amplfier.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Here's my new secret -

I have a 57 where the cover for the capsule fell off.
I place the the mike so the actual diaphragm touches the grille cloth.
Acoustic coupling, yet another "Riemann Technique (tm)"

Site licenses available by special order.





Kurt Riemann

You suck cocks.
Queso

THAT gets the Tone? It's always the last thing you try . . .





Kurt Riemann

"ryanm" wrote in message ...

It's worth noting that the toughest parts of that
equation are the talented guitarist and the good song.

And the choir goes.... Amen.

IR

J&L wrote:
Well that may work. as well.. but im talking about a very particular
micing technique once you got the good tone..

You haven't been talking about anything yet. Should anyone be jealous of
you now, cause you *say* you know what most people here have known for
years and are perfectly willing to share?

Luck, Arjan

--
----Real email: news then at then soundbyte then dot then nl----

Kurt Riemann wrote:
You suck cocks.
Queso


THAT gets the Tone? It's always the last thing you try . . .





Kurt Riemann





Thats just how HE gets the tone.
Queso

In article k.net, LJM
writes:

Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat
you with experience.

LOL

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

I bet Peter knows how to do it. And he is trembeling over thier that I might
let the cat out of the bag... Some of the posts I have seen on this subject
are an obvious attempt to lead those of you in the dark again along the
wrong path.. Its amazing to me the things people will try to do to keep this
from the main stream... But I am not going to be the one labeled as the
magcian who gave away the secrets.. Dont worry Pete the secrets safe with
me..

GRIN


Leon





"Peter Hewitt-Dutton" wrote in message
...
I believe it's called a Royer 121 microphone!


"J&L" wrote in message
news:f0K%b.18359$qL1.15899@fed1read02...
Well that may work. as well.. but im talking about a very particular
micing
technique once you got the good tone..



Leon

Mike wrote
It's really only a secret for his amplifier, and he's not going to let
anyone else use that amplfier.

Hey.. we should do a RAP CD for what we all think is the "mother-load" of
guitar speaker micing points! he he he

That would be a very usefull disc! I would buy it definetly..


Regards

Leon


Hey.. we should do a RAP CD for what we all think is the "mother-load" of
guitar speaker micing points! he he he

Kurt Riemann wrote in message . ..

You suck cocks.
Queso

THAT gets the Tone? It's always the last thing you try . . .





Kurt Riemann

Umm...it might get the guitarist in a better "mood", thereby
increasing the likelihood of obtaining the Tone.

Assuming the guitarist is a male, of course.

RP

Kurt Riemann wrote in message . ..
Here's my new secret -

I have a 57 where the cover for the capsule fell off.
I place the the mike so the actual diaphragm touches the grille cloth.
Acoustic coupling, yet another "Riemann Technique (tm)"

My guitar tone sucked tonight. How do you get a distorted amp to
sound clean?
How do you get a clean amp to sound dirty? Just Kidding... (JK)

Nawww... My playing sucked tonight... Better tone tommorrow. It's
always in the playing...

Now play this tune...
Bm... F#major... A... E... G... D... Em... G...

Guess the tune?

IR
www.electricmule.com







Kurt Riemann

I'd like to nominate this post as THE waste of time post. It totally
defeats the purpose the rec.audio.pro forum. We're happy for you, go
record something with it now! We don't need to know that you stumbled
onto someone else's technique and you don't even have the decency to
share?

If it's really that good how does no one know about it? Do you guys
have like a secret freaking handshake and cookies and punch once a
month in your undisclosed location? TELL ME I HAVE TO KNOW!!!

garrett

"J&L" wrote in message news:qpH%b.18350$qL1.15862@fed1read02...
This sound you could never reproduce with a amp sim. This is "that sound"
Alot of people know how to do it.. but years of searching the internet I
never came across this method. I know some of you out thier know the one im
talking about.. Nobody wants to come off the secret.. So I will keep the
secret as well.. those who turly yearn for that sound.. you will have to
quest to find it.. but I promis its thier. I will give one obvious clue..
it starts with a solid distortion from the amp, one thats not so fuzzy you
can't identify the notes..

Good Luck

Leon

Well that may work. as well.. but im talking about a very particular micing
technique once you got the good tone..



Leon


Uh huh...

You've been engineering professionally for how long? Conclusions like this are
the hallmark of an amateur/beginner. Talk to us again after you've absorbed the
wisdom in EggHd's sig.

Hint: it ends with "...I don't know enough"


Ted Spencer, NYC

"No amount of classical training will ever teach you what's so cool about
"Tighten Up" by Archie Bell And The Drells" -author unknown

"J&L" wrote in message news:jNU%b.18575$qL1.5395@fed1read02...

But I am not going to be the one labeled as the
magcian who gave away the secrets.



Yeah, well listen Leon, I don't think it's "magcian" [sic] that you
have to worry about getting labled as...

Bm... F#major... A... E... G... D... Em... G...

Guess the tune?


Hotel California, but the last chord is wrong.

Scott Fraser

leon wrote
That would be a very usefull disc! I would buy it definetly.

I'm going to do just that if we ever get all the last set's of CD's sold and
I'll send in my first entry to the group.

This sound you could never reproduce with a amp sim. This is "that
sound"
Alot of people know how to do it.. but years of searching the internet I
never came across this method.

Why would anyone search the Internet to find how to get "that sound"
for a guitar? In fact, why copy somebody's sound?

I guess I'm just not interested in your secret, so nya, nya, nya.

The big secret is that there is no secret. There are several ways to get a
great distorted guitar sound :-)

"J&L" wrote in message
news:f0K%b.18359$qL1.15899@fed1read02...
Well that may work. as well.. but im talking about a very particular
micing
technique once you got the good tone..

What, you mean sm57 1" off the grille cloth, off axis somewhere between
the cone and the edge of one speaker, and a decent large diaphragm at a
distance to get the full room? Even us non-pros with a bit of experience
know about that one. Personally, though, I'd rather capture (and listen to)
a crappy recording of a great performance than a great recording of a crappy
performance. I prefer to worry about it in the order of greatest effect,
which means you start with the song, because if that sucks, all the
production in the world won't help. Then you worry about the player,
because, again, if he sucks, all the production in the world won't help.
Then the guitar/amp/inline effects, *then* the mics/placements, then the
preamp, then the post chain. But everything past the player is just icing on
the cake, because capturing even a crappy recording of a great player
playing a great song will be good no matter how poorly to record it.

ryanm

In article ,
says...
This sound you could never reproduce with a amp sim. This is "that
sound"
Alot of people know how to do it.. but years of searching the internet I
never came across this method.

Why would anyone search the Internet to find how to get "that sound"
for a guitar? In fact, why copy somebody's sound?

I guess I'm just not interested in your secret, so nya, nya, nya.

The big secret is that there is no secret. There are several ways to get a
great distorted guitar sound :-)

I remember an article some years back on unconventional miking
techniques that was pretty interesting. Some were really wild.

I'm trying to remember.

I seem to remember something about a small speaker and mike in a metal
filing cabinet. Another was putting a small speaker on the body of the
guitar itself.

Didn't Frank Zappa record using a pignose flat on the floor with a mike
high above? Heard that rumor somewhere. Don't know if it's true.

--
Laung Anthique
http://www.ironia.net
http://www.cultv.com

Original poster,

(Garrett Cox) wrote in message . com...
I'd like to nominate this post as THE waste of time post. It totally
defeats the purpose the rec.audio.pro forum. We're happy for you, go
record something with it now! We don't need to know that you stumbled
onto someone else's technique and you don't even have the decency to
share?

If it's really that good how does no one know about it? Do you guys
have like a secret freaking handshake and cookies and punch once a
month in your undisclosed location? TELL ME I HAVE TO KNOW!!!

garrett

I'll second that motion. How about posting a link to some audio files
so we can see how wonderfull it really is? I find this kind of post
disrespectful here. There are plenty of people here with way more
"secrets" then you have who are totaly willing to tell you about them,
if you know how to ask. RAP is a great community, full of people who
actually give a damn about eachother and eachother's work, which
obvioulsy, you do not.

BTW, if I had to guess I would say you're talking about the old, one
mic in the front, one mic in the back of an open back combo technique.
If not, consider this "secret" shared. Long Live RAP!!!

Romeo Rondeau wrote:

The big secret is that there is no secret. There are several ways to get a
great distorted guitar sound :-)


The most important thing is getting that sound to begin with. Not as
easy as it might seem. Capturing it with microphones becomes a distant
second.

In article ,
says...


Romeo Rondeau wrote:

The big secret is that there is no secret. There are several ways to get a
great distorted guitar sound :-)


The most important thing is getting that sound to begin with. Not as
easy as it might seem. Capturing it with microphones becomes a distant
second.

I have never been able to record my amp as good as it sounds in the
room. Oddly, I've had better luck with lesser amps that sound no where
near as good live.

However, I have not given up trying. One of these days I'll get it.

--
Laung Anthique
http://www.ironia.net
http://www.cultv.com

In article writes:

The big secret is that there is no secret.

Whatddya mean, there's no secret? This guy's GOT the secret. We need
to find him and torture him until he tells. Where's Fletcher and his
detective buddy who tracked down an annoying poster's phone number?

We have ways of making him talk.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo