Hi Jose;

I'm surprised that none of the responses you received recommended that
you purchase a vintage Marantz receiver, one made in USA or Japan before
1980, after which even the Japanese companies went "offshore" in order
to avoid the high labor (and other) costs that drove electronics
manufacturing out of USA.

The Marantz Model 2330 receiver, for example, was made in USA in 1977,
and it cost $790! That was a whole lot of money then, and if this
receiver was made in USA today, it would have to sell for over $3,000.

But, you can find one on eBay occasionally for about $300. This model
puts out 130 real RMS watts per channel, not the fake "peak" watts hi-fi
makers claim today. In fact, most 1970s Marantz amplifiers actually put
out MORE than the advertised output! Can you imagine that happening today?

You guys must be all under 18, or you'd know exactly where to find the
best receiver you can buy for about $300. None other comes even close!

See the specs (and photos) he

http://www.classic-audio.com/

Tyco_brahe


Jose Luiz wrote:
Hey, I'm looking for a stereo receiver to replace my 5-year old Sony
STR-DE525. I'm looking primarily in the $250-300 price range but something a
bit higher or a bit lower in price is acceptable. I would prefer to buy
another Sony brand since my Playstation 2, CD changer, and portable
mini-disc player I presume would be more compatible with a Sony receiver but
I'm looking at other brands as well. I only have two speakers and use my
stereo system primarily for music, so I'm looking for something with
excellent sound and can carry a nice-sounding bass at high volumes rather
than a reciever specifically geared for a home theatre setup, though I would
like nice sound reproduction for my TV and Playstation 2 as well. The thing
I hated about my Sony STR-DE515 is that playing a song with a strong bass at
high levels always shut the receiver down and gave this 'Protector' warning
so I'm looking for something that can take stronger bass and louder volumes.
Would this be found in a higher wattage stereo receiver? Any reccomendations
for a stereo receiver around this price range (or even a lower price range)
would be much appreciated!!

Jose

http://123dj.com/amps/qsc/rmx-850.html - 200w / channel @ 8ohm

QSC is good. I've never had a PA amp go into protect mode on me.
Personally, I have 4 15" Optimus PA speakers, and 2 250w stereo/350w
mono-bridged Optimus PA amps(not really using them). They have never shut
off once. I keep the amps at 100% volume and keep the mixer gain at 0db for
loud, -6db for quiet listening(which would still be loud to most people).
The QSC amps would most certainly not shut off on you.

"Jose Luiz" wrote in message
...

Hey, I'm looking for a stereo receiver to replace my 5-year old Sony
STR-DE525. I'm looking primarily in the $250-300 price range but something
a
bit higher or a bit lower in price is acceptable. I would prefer to buy
another Sony brand since my Playstation 2, CD changer, and portable
mini-disc player I presume would be more compatible with a Sony receiver
but
I'm looking at other brands as well. I only have two speakers and use my
stereo system primarily for music, so I'm looking for something with
excellent sound and can carry a nice-sounding bass at high volumes rather
than a reciever specifically geared for a home theatre setup, though I
would
like nice sound reproduction for my TV and Playstation 2 as well. The
thing
I hated about my Sony STR-DE515 is that playing a song with a strong bass
at
high levels always shut the receiver down and gave this 'Protector'
warning
so I'm looking for something that can take stronger bass and louder
volumes.
Would this be found in a higher wattage stereo receiver? Any
reccomendations
for a stereo receiver around this price range (or even a lower price
range)
would be much appreciated!!

Jose

"Shadow" wrote in message

http://123dj.com/amps/qsc/rmx-850.html - 200w / channel @ 8ohm

QSC is good.

Agreed. I have a USA-400 and a USA-850.

The RMX series are AFAIK QSC's new series of Chinese-assembled amps with
agressive pricing.

I've never had a PA amp go into protect mode on me.

I suspect you have, but you just didn't notice it. "Pro" grade amps are
specifically designed to avoid audible shutdown any reasonable way they can.
20,000 people might be listening.

Personally, I have 4 15" Optimus PA speakers, and 2 250w stereo/350w
mono-bridged Optimus PA amps(not really using them). They have never
shut off once. I keep the amps at 100% volume and keep the mixer
gain at 0db for loud, -6db for quiet listening(which would still be
loud to most people). The QSC amps would most certainly not shut off
on you.

The QSC amps I have have been subjected to torture rituals, and I have made
them shut off many times. However, no harm was done, and the test conditions
were unrealistic.

I'm the sort of guy who has probably broken the tires loose on every car
I've driven and under a variety of conditions. I say know where the limits
are, and stay away from them whenever you can.

In comparison, I've simply fried at least one Pioneer receiver on the test
bench, accidentally to be sure. Again the test conditions were totally
unrealistic, but unlike the QSC amps, the Pioneer receiver needed repair. It
didn't get it, because it cost more to repair than replace.

Most "receiver shut down" anecdotes trace to shorted strands on speaker
cables, way too many speakers in parallel, badly ventilated cabinets,
rubbing voice coils, a receiver that was simply broken, etc. In normal
reasonably careful use, it shouldn't happen and usually doesn't happen.

Comparing the light cruiser-like construction of QSC amps to the sports-car
construction of price-conscious consumer receivers is not fair, given the
difference in price per watt. Also, notice I said "light cruiser" for QSC,
and not "Battleship". There are "Battleship"-like amps around, but they seem
to be going the way of dodo birds.

Hi Shadow;

I have one of those "battleship" amps, driving the 15-inch woofers in my
home stereo. It's a Phase-Linear 400. It's been running faithfully
since 1971, almost every day, and it sounds great. I've never been
crazy enough to turn it up more than half way. Usually listen at 1/4
power. Nice headwoom, 'tho.

By the way, caps will last a long time if they are; 1) not overheated;
and 2) not stored for long periods without occasional power on.

Regards,

Tyco_brahe

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Shadow" wrote in message


http://123dj.com/amps/qsc/rmx-850.html - 200w / channel @ 8ohm

QSC is good.


Agreed. I have a USA-400 and a USA-850.

The RMX series are AFAIK QSC's new series of Chinese-assembled amps with
agressive pricing.


I've never had a PA amp go into protect mode on me.


I suspect you have, but you just didn't notice it. "Pro" grade amps are
specifically designed to avoid audible shutdown any reasonable way they can.
20,000 people might be listening.


Personally, I have 4 15" Optimus PA speakers, and 2 250w stereo/350w
mono-bridged Optimus PA amps(not really using them). They have never
shut off once. I keep the amps at 100% volume and keep the mixer
gain at 0db for loud, -6db for quiet listening(which would still be
loud to most people). The QSC amps would most certainly not shut off
on you.


The QSC amps I have have been subjected to torture rituals, and I have made
them shut off many times. However, no harm was done, and the test conditions
were unrealistic.

I'm the sort of guy who has probably broken the tires loose on every car
I've driven and under a variety of conditions. I say know where the limits
are, and stay away from them whenever you can.

In comparison, I've simply fried at least one Pioneer receiver on the test
bench, accidentally to be sure. Again the test conditions were totally
unrealistic, but unlike the QSC amps, the Pioneer receiver needed repair. It
didn't get it, because it cost more to repair than replace.

Most "receiver shut down" anecdotes trace to shorted strands on speaker
cables, way too many speakers in parallel, badly ventilated cabinets,
rubbing voice coils, a receiver that was simply broken, etc. In normal
reasonably careful use, it shouldn't happen and usually doesn't happen.

Comparing the light cruiser-like construction of QSC amps to the sports-car
construction of price-conscious consumer receivers is not fair, given the
difference in price per watt. Also, notice I said "light cruiser" for QSC,
and not "Battleship". There are "Battleship"-like amps around, but they seem
to be going the way of dodo birds.

rdamor wrote in :



But, you can find one on eBay occasionally for about $300. This model
puts out 130 real RMS watts per channel, not the fake "peak" watts hi-fi
makers claim today. In fact, most 1970s Marantz amplifiers actually put
out MORE than the advertised output! Can you imagine that happening
today?


I thought the FTC stopped all that "peak power", IEC, Peak Music Power, etc.
bogus watt ratings years ago. Maybe car amplifiers still suffer from gross
over ratings but aren't home wattages are supposed to be continuous power?

r



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numbered...My life is my own."

"I am not a number. I am a free man."
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rdamor wrote:

Hi Jose;

I'm surprised that none of the responses you received recommended that
you purchase a vintage Marantz receiver, one made in USA or Japan before
1980, after which even the Japanese companies went "offshore" in order
to avoid the high labor (and other) costs that drove electronics
manufacturing out of USA.

The Marantz Model 2330 receiver, for example, was made in USA in 1977,
and it cost $790! That was a whole lot of money then, and if this
receiver was made in USA today, it would have to sell for over $3,000.

Um, most of that would be incorrect. The 2230 had an opening suggested retail of
$349 which dropped to $299 after a year. It is rated, per the manual, at 30
watts per channel into an 8 ohm load. It was also manufactured in Japan. The
receiver in that lineup which cost in the ~$700 range was the 2270 which was
rated at 70 watts per channel. There was a later model, 2325, which was rated at
125 watts per channel and sold in the ~$1,200 range. Whether these are a good
purchase these days is dicey due to their age and need for recapping. YMMV. You
could also read the specs at the URL you linked. All of this is covered there,
too.

LN
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