** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231.

The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230.


BTW

To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time.

Scary co-incidence - what ??






............ Phil

Phil Allison wrote:

** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231.

The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230.

I did not want to have to use greek symbols for U as used in transformer
equations shown at my website where I list the terms used in equations
lest anyone
misunderstand what I meant.
The local context is abuntantly clear.

U in RDH4 is actually magnetic potential difference.
I don't use the term in my transformer equations.





BTW

To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time.

Nothing occurs when I do this.
I suppose you are trying to tell me that I should make sure the
correct greek symbol should be always typed in whenever
it occurs.
I know more about tube technology than I do about typing,
and as I said, I make sure its obvious what I mean when I quote
equations. In quoted the equation for inductance at least twice in the
last fortnight,
with the list of items defined below the equation.

Maybe you didn't read what I had typed, and were too carried away
with trying to find personal faults rather than contribute to the group's
pool of wisdom.





Scary co-incidence - what ??

You are fussing over nothing Phil.

I suppose I could use a small letter "u" to indicate permeability,
but then folks might have got confused with "u" used as a symbol for
the amplification factor.

I don't believe it is necessary for a completely
100% accurate regurgitation of RDH4 to be included at my website,
and to err with one letter of the greek alphabet to accomodate
simplicity is quite acceptable.

I don't set out to teach people basic facts about
electro magnetics; 99% wouldn't have any idea.

But I assure you that if folks follow the simple thread of logic at my
website
in the preparation of OPTs and mains trannies, they will end up
with fine articles.
Of course should they try to augment their knowledge
from RDH4, well and good, because it is a repositry for a deeper
understanding.
Other books on electro magnetics, and field theory could be studied.
These exist in university libraries, but a fine ability with mathematics
is usually required for anyone to understand them.
But the fact remains that just because one isn't a university
educated person who has majored in magnetics, it does not mean you cannot
make superb AF transformers for tube amps et all.

No need to tell all I am a criminal, or command me to get cancer and die.



Patrick Turner.










........... Phil

"Patrick Turner"
Phil Allison wrote:

** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231.

The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230.

I did not want to have to use greek symbols for U as used in transformer
equations shown at my website where I list the terms used in equations
lest anyone misunderstand what I meant.



** RAT is not your ****ing web site - you ****ing autistic ****.

You do not get to invent your own ****ing terminology.




The local context is abuntantly clear.


** Arseholes it is clear.



U in RDH4 is actually magnetic potential difference.


** You don't say ................................



I don't use the term in my transformer equations.


** Poor diddums - that must be why the Turneroid's asinine equations are
all ****ing wrong.


BTW

To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time.

Nothing occurs when I do this.


** ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ ....................




I suppose you are trying to tell me that I should make sure the
correct greek symbol should be always typed in whenever
it occurs.



** ? ? ? ß .......................




I know more about tube technology than I do about typing,



** You know **** about either.



and as I said, I make sure its obvious what I mean when I quote
equations.


** Like inventing "U" for "µ " and telling no-one on usenet ???



No need to tell all I am a criminal, or command me to get cancer and die.



** Sure, but it is a damn fine idea anyhow.




............. Phil

Phil Allison wrote:

"Patrick Turner"
Phil Allison wrote:

** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231.

The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230.

I did not want to have to use greek symbols for U as used in transformer
equations shown at my website where I list the terms used in equations
lest anyone misunderstand what I meant.

** RAT is not your ****ing web site - you ****ing autistic ****.

You do not get to invent your own ****ing terminology.

The local context is abuntantly clear.

** Arseholes it is clear.

Snip a stream of crap....

My website is mine, and its content remains abuntantly clear to all except you.

RAT isn't **MY** website, and I have never said it was.
It most certainly isn't yours.

RAT belongs to all of us, and there isn't one of us who must conform to
your or my ideas of terminology, or anyone else's, or put up the demonic
methods
you use to enforce application of your ideas.

RAT's purpose is to allow folks to discuss
tube craft in any way ppl want, and those who are polite,
well humoured, and clever will get their posts read, not killfilled,
as is mostly the case with your posts.

I do try to stick with RDH4 terminology as much as possible,
but without having to use greek letters.

Everyone except you has no problem with that.



Patrick Turner.

"Patrick Turner" wrote

I do try to stick with RDH4 terminology as much as possible,
but without having to use greek letters.

Everyone except you has no problem with that.

Lot's of folk might have a problem if they could be bothered reading
your interminable regurgitations, and could be arsed to bother about
the terminology within, and then could be arsed to comment on same,
considering you get tetchy and abusively defensive when challenged.

RDH4 seems antiquated and laborious to me, like reading old english
in gothic script. I suppose if you want to create the impression of
a mystic cult or a quaint historical amusement, it might be worth
clinging to.

cheers, Ian

"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
. uk...
"Patrick Turner" wrote

I do try to stick with RDH4 terminology as much as possible,
but without having to use greek letters.

Everyone except you has no problem with that.

Lot's of folk might have a problem if they could be bothered reading your
interminable regurgitations, and could be arsed to bother about the
terminology within, and then could be arsed to comment on same,
considering you get tetchy and abusively defensive when challenged.

RDH4 seems antiquated and laborious to me, like reading old english in
gothic script. I suppose if you want to create the impression of a mystic
cult or a quaint historical amusement, it might be worth clinging to.

cheers, Ian


When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a
nail...........

Patrick Turner"
Phil Allison wrote:

** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231.

The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230.

I did not want to have to use greek symbols for U as used in transformer
equations shown at my website where I list the terms used in equations
lest anyone misunderstand what I meant.


** RAT is not your ****ing web site - you ****ing autistic ****.

You do not get to invent your own ****ing terminology.



The local context is abuntantly clear.

** Arseholes it is clear.



U in RDH4 is actually magnetic potential difference.


** You don't say ................................



I don't use the term in my transformer equations.


** Poor diddums - that must be why the Turneroid's asinine equations are
all ****ing wrong.



BTW

To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time.

Nothing occurs when I do this.


** ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ ....................



I know more about tube technology than I do about typing,


** You know **** about either.



and as I said, I make sure its obvious what I mean when I quote
equations.


** Like inventing "U" for "µ " and telling no-one on usenet ???


No need to tell all I am a criminal, or command me to get cancer and die.


** Sure, but it is a damn fine idea anyhow.




............. Phil

Phil Allison wrote:
** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231.

The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230.


BTW

To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time.

Scary co-incidence - what ??
What??? Here's what I got:

™£º

Maybe it's 'cos I use a Mac? Don't be a ****head Phil, keep your petty,
small-minded, ill-informed, off-topic rantings to yourself and leave the
rest of us alone. Nobody likes you, you're just a waste of space and
living proof of the need for retrospective abortions. Eat **** and die
windoze luser.

M.

"Mark Liar"


Maybe it's 'cos I use a Mac?


** For what ?

Surfing child porn sites.

Don't be a ****head Phil, keep your petty, small-minded, ill-informed,
off-topic rantings to yourself and leave the rest of us alone.


* Go straight to hell - you worthless POS.




................. Phil

Apologies all for feeding the troll...

Phil Allison wrote:

"Mark Liar"


Maybe it's 'cos I use a Mac?



** For what ?

Surfing child porn sites.
You have no clue. Seriously Phil, get your hand off it, step away from
the FeeCee and take a look in the mirror. No, really, take a good, long
look at yourself, and don't come back... please, for the sake of all us
that think this world would be a better place without you.


Don't be a ****head Phil, keep your petty, small-minded, ill-informed,
off-topic rantings to yourself and leave the rest of us alone.
* Go straight to hell - you worthless POS.
I'll see you there, Phil, you got nuthin'.

M.

"Mark Liar" .


** Yet another cretinous NG troll delivered courtesy of stinking Hotmail.

Puuuuuuuukkkeeee .....



Maybe it's 'cos I use a Mac?

** For what ?

Surfing child porn sites.

You have no clue.


** Not about porn sites I don't - but I bet you are a real expert.



Don't be a ****head Phil, keep your petty, small-minded, ill-informed,
off-topic rantings to yourself and leave the rest of us alone.


** All my posts are on topic - shame that dim witted tube ****heads like
the Turneroid fail to comprehend their own subject so comprehensively.


** Go straight to hell - you worthless POS.

I'll see you there, Phil, you got nuthin'.


** Rocket scientist type for sure.


ROTFL !!



................ Phil

Ian Iveson wrote:

"Patrick Turner" wrote

I do try to stick with RDH4 terminology as much as possible,
but without having to use greek letters.

Everyone except you has no problem with that.

Lot's of folk might have a problem if they could be bothered reading
your interminable regurgitations, and could be arsed to bother about
the terminology within, and then could be arsed to comment on same,
considering you get tetchy and abusively defensive when challenged.

Lots of folk have NEVER had a problem, or i would have been besieged
with angry
ants leading them astray.

In 3+ years my site has been up with formula that are very useful
and clearly followable.

Only PA has picked the U business.

I wrote the website to give people with as much determination as myself
a little head start.




RDH4 seems antiquated and laborious to me, like reading old english
in gothic script. I suppose if you want to create the impression of
a mystic cult or a quaint historical amusement, it might be worth
clinging to.

I do try to keep to the lettering sytem used in RDH4.

For the groups, I don't go to the trouble of using greek letters.
Nobody else does or has ever done while I have been around.
But I usually make sure formulas are clear.
I also expect that anyone reading me has the determination
to find a lot out on their own, and that they not expect me to
entirely spoon feed them like an infant.

Only someone a bit dim like yourself would find RDH4
antiquated and laborious.
How long is your attention span? 10 seconds, or
10 years?
I make no apology for defending RDH4.
There has never been another better book written about tube use
and aimed at such a broad range of ppl, imho.
All those ppl need to have some real amount of intelligence
and education.

Analog electronic engineering as it was in 1955
is fairly frugally dealt with in RDH4;
the fuller story needs to be read in the reference material which the
RDH4 tries to summarize.
Every single sentence in the book tries to waste no words.
Finding the references in RDH4 is now nigh impossible.
I have not needed to find them because the advice in RDH4
still managed to be sufficient, and then I do also have
many other books, including your fav by Morgan Jones.
Where did MJ get all his basic info from?
From the blokes who went before him.

Patrick Turner.




cheers, Ian

"Mark Lar" wrote

Maybe it's 'cos I use a Mac? Don't be a ****head Phil, keep your
petty, small-minded, ill-informed, off-topic rantings to yourself
and leave the rest of us alone. Nobody likes you, you're just a
waste of space and living proof of the need for retrospective
abortions. Eat **** and die windoze luser.

Don't be so nasty and hurtful, he's just trying to help. Don't
worry, Phil, *I* like you.

Once Patrick Turner discovers the ascii extended character set,
he'll be able to type in the whole of RDH4 at last.

http://www.cdrummond.qc.ca/cegep/inf...iles/ascii.htm

Or perhaps it would be easier to cut and paste...there are a few mus
in this thread to be going on with.

cheers, Ian

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231.
The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230.

BTW
To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time.
Scary co-incidence - what ??

........... Phil

I hate to butt in, but this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does
anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math symbols
for my word processor, email and posting to NGs? BTW: I now know the mu or
micro sign, it's cumbersome, but it works. Thanks Phil.
west
the arm-chair psyche.

"west"
"Phil Allison" ...

BTW
To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time.


I hate to butt in, but this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does
anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math
symbols
for my word processor, email and posting to NGs?


** MS Word ( also OE follows suit) has the full ASCII character set
available - just try using "Alt" and then 1, 2, 3 ........ 256 . You can
use attachments to emails when you need to use them.

Forget using them IN emails or for NGs postings , they will either not work
or not show up for most other users.




............ Phil

west wrote:

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231.
The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230.

BTW
To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time.
Scary co-incidence - what ??

........... Phil

I hate to butt in, but this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does
anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math symbols
for my word processor, email and posting to NGs? BTW: I now know the mu or
micro sign, it's cumbersome, but it works. Thanks Phil.
west
the arm-chair psyche.

I tried using Phil's recomendation to get U as a greek symbol,
but it didn't work on my standard keyboard.

Anyway, I doubt it matters, because usually I spell out
what the terms in an equation are.

And nobody else is entirely consistent.
For eg, the letter used for voltage gain in amps is A in RDH4,
where it is open loop gain, and when FB is used its closed loop gain and
expressed as A' but other folks use VG, vg, M, N, whatever....

Patrick Turner.

this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does
anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math
symbols
for my word processor, email and posting to NGs? BTW: I now know the mu or
micro sign, it's cumbersome, but it works.


In Windows XP:

Start Button --- Programs --- Accessories --- System Tools --- Character
Map


cheers!

cowboy


---------------------
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Joseph Stalin ~ 30 million
Adolph Hitler ~ 7 million
George W. Bush ~ 1/4 million
Osama bin Laden ~ 3000
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cowboy wrote:

this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does
anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math
symbols
for my word processor, email and posting to NGs? BTW: I now know the mu or
micro sign, it's cumbersome, but it works.

In Windows XP:

Start Button --- Programs --- Accessories --- System Tools --- Character
Map

cheers!

cowboy

No such thing in my W98.

tnx anyway,

Patrick Turner.


---------------------
civilians murdered by various right-wing war criminals:

Joseph Stalin ~ 30 million
Adolph Hitler ~ 7 million
George W. Bush ~ 1/4 million
Osama bin Laden ~ 3000
http://semiskimmed.net/bushhitler/bush-hitler1.mov

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...
|
|
| cowboy wrote:
|
| this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does
| anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math
| symbols
| for my word processor, email and posting to NGs? BTW: I now know the
mu or
| micro sign, it's cumbersome, but it works.
|
| In Windows XP:
|
| Start Button --- Programs --- Accessories --- System Tools ---
Character
| Map
|
| cheers!
|
| cowboy
|
| No such thing in my W98.
|
| tnx anyway,
|
| Patrick Turner.
|


control panel-add remove programs-windows setup-system tools-details-MARK!
character map ;
put W98 cd in tray
or ashtray -if you wish


--
--
.................................................. ........................
Choky
Prodanovic Aleksandar
YU

"don't use force, "don't use force,
use a larger hammer" use a larger tube
- Choky and IST"
- ZM
.................................................. ...........................

Choky wrote:

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...
|
|
| cowboy wrote:
|
| this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does
| anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math
| symbols
| for my word processor, email and posting to NGs? BTW: I now know the
mu or
| micro sign, it's cumbersome, but it works.
|
| In Windows XP:
|
| Start Button --- Programs --- Accessories --- System Tools ---
Character
| Map
|
| cheers!
|
| cowboy
|
| No such thing in my W98.
|
| tnx anyway,
|
| Patrick Turner.
|

control panel-add remove programs-windows setup-system tools-details-MARK!
character map ;
put W98 cd in tray
or ashtray -if you wish

Hmm, maybe I will just solder onwards without ash traying anything
to do with OS or program instals; they have a habit of backfiring on me.
No such "windows setup-system tools-details-MARK!
character map" comes up after going to ad-remove programs.....

I am hopeless with a PC, I only know a little about triodes.

Patrick Turner.






--
--
.................................................. .......................
Choky
Prodanovic Aleksandar
YU

"don't use force, "don't use force,
use a larger hammer" use a larger tube
- Choky and IST"
- ZM
.................................................. ..........................

"west" wrote in message
m...
"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231.
The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230.

BTW
To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time.
Scary co-incidence - what ??

........... Phil

I hate to butt in, but this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does
anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math
symbols
for my word processor, email and posting to NGs? BTW: I now know the mu or
micro sign, it's cumbersome, but it works. Thanks Phil.
west
the arm-chair psyche.


I get the µ character by pressing Alt Gr + m.
But I use a Scandi keyboard, so it might be different.

Iain