I have watched this forum for many years. I have seen
Andre, Dangerous Dan, Phil and others (all of whom
may be the work of one demented individual.) spew
their childish patter. Dangerous Dan even called the
president of Magnetek Corp. to see if I really worked
for the company. He just knew that I was part of
"the Magnequest Gang." I have spoken with Mike
but we have no business affiliations. Ole Dan was
more than a little suprised when he found that I was
the president of the magnetics division. He was
even more suprised when I had my attorney call
him at home.

I am nearly 72 years old and I have been designing
transformers since 1954. Small transformers used
in radio, TV, hi-fi, computers and other electronic
devices. I have designed audio transformers for
HK, Fisher, Marantz and all of the TV companies.

I have a storehouse of data books concerning audio
and power design. I would happily share this data
to people who would make good use of it in a
PROFESSIONAL MANNER. Any future bickering
on this forum will send me elsewhere. Ya I know,
who cares.

Gerald Stombaugh

"Gerald Stombaugh"

I have watched this forum for many years. I have seen
Andre, Dangerous Dan, Phil and others (all of whom
may be the work of one demented individual.)


** So you are a cretinous, demented ****wit ??


spew their childish patter.


** So you *are* a dopey, demented ****wit.



Dangerous Dan even called the
president of Magnetek Corp. to see if I really worked
for the company. He just knew that I was part of
"the Magnequest Gang." I have spoken with Mike
but we have no business affiliations. Ole Dan was
more than a little suprised when he found that I was
the president of the magnetics division. He was
even more suprised when I had my attorney call
him at home.



** So you ARE a paranoid demented ****wit ?


I am nearly 72 years old and I have been designing
transformers since 1954.


** So you are clearly a demented ****wit.


Small transformers used
in radio, TV, hi-fi, computers and other electronic
devices. I have designed audio transformers for
HK, Fisher, Marantz and all of the TV companies.


** So you are a egomaniac, posturing demented ****wit.



I have a storehouse of data books concerning audio
and power design.


** So you are know nothing ****wit with a collection of books you cannot
understand ?


I would happily share this data
to people who would make good use of it in a
PROFESSIONAL MANNER.


** So you are a demented ****wit who wants to big note yourself because of
your book collection ?


Any future bickering
on this forum will send me elsewhere


** So you are a gutless ****wit.


Ya I know, who cares.


** So you are a gutless, demented ****wit.


Gerald Stombaugh = demented ****wit.





............ love, Phil

In article , Gerald Stombaugh
wrote:

I have watched this forum for many years. I have seen
Andre, Dangerous Dan, Phil and others (all of whom
may be the work of one demented individual.) spew
their childish patter. Dangerous Dan even called the
president of Magnetek Corp. to see if I really worked
for the company. He just knew that I was part of
"the Magnequest Gang."

It was "Danger Dave", not "Dangerous Dan", and he has since shuffled off
this mortal coil, maybe your attorney frightened him to death.


Regards,

John Byrns


Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/

Phil Allison wrote:
"Gerald Stombaugh"

I have watched this forum for many years. I have seen
Andre, Dangerous Dan, Phil and others (all of whom
may be the work of one demented individual.)



** So you are a cretinous, demented ****wit ??



spew their childish patter.



** So you *are* a dopey, demented ****wit.




Dangerous Dan even called the
president of Magnetek Corp. to see if I really worked
for the company. He just knew that I was part of
"the Magnequest Gang." I have spoken with Mike
but we have no business affiliations. Ole Dan was
more than a little suprised when he found that I was
the president of the magnetics division. He was
even more suprised when I had my attorney call
him at home.




** So you ARE a paranoid demented ****wit ?



I am nearly 72 years old and I have been designing
transformers since 1954.



** So you are clearly a demented ****wit.



Small transformers used
in radio, TV, hi-fi, computers and other electronic
devices. I have designed audio transformers for
HK, Fisher, Marantz and all of the TV companies.



** So you are a egomaniac, posturing demented ****wit.




I have a storehouse of data books concerning audio
and power design.



** So you are know nothing ****wit with a collection of books you cannot
understand ?



I would happily share this data
to people who would make good use of it in a
PROFESSIONAL MANNER.



** So you are a demented ****wit who wants to big note yourself because of
your book collection ?



Any future bickering
on this forum will send me elsewhere



** So you are a gutless ****wit.


Ya I know, who cares.


** So you are a gutless, demented ****wit.



Gerald Stombaugh = demented ****wit.






........... love, Phil




That is just plain rude and uncalled for regardless besides he is
offering help so don't ruin it for everyone else.

"Neil Peters"

That is just plain rude and uncalled for regardless besides he is offering
help so don't ruin it for everyone else.



** The pig is a ****head.

You are a total asshole.




........... Phil

Phil Allison wrote:
"Neil Peters"


That is just plain rude and uncalled for regardless besides he is offering
help so don't ruin it for everyone else.




** The pig is a ****head.

You are a total asshole.




.......... Phil


damn you are all lit up today. What did the **** head do to you?

Mr. Stombaugh,
Alas, I agree with you.

Unfortunately, Phil and his ilk has driven a great deal of thoughtful
discussion away from this board. This is a problem that is common to many
groups on the USENET. The only solution I have found is to add them to a
killfile so that you never see their posts. A friend of mine used to kill
whole threads if they contained any posts by the above mentioned individual
because they would quickly deteriorate into the type of profanity you can
see in the posts previous to this one.

An alternative solution that I and many others have used is to join
moderated web-based discussions so that such people can be excluded
relatively easily and discussions remain reasonably intelligent. One such
group that I frequent can be found at www.scorpiorising.ca
This site is run by Gregg (also found on RAT). The people there are a wide
range of ages and experience (I am one of the older ones but have less
knowledge of electronics than many of the younger ones on that forum). We
would be glad to have you.


"Gerald Stombaugh" wrote in message
...
I have watched this forum for many years. I have seen
Andre, Dangerous Dan, Phil and others (all of whom
may be the work of one demented individual.) spew
their childish patter. Dangerous Dan even called the
president of Magnetek Corp. to see if I really worked
for the company. He just knew that I was part of
"the Magnequest Gang." I have spoken with Mike
but we have no business affiliations. Ole Dan was
more than a little suprised when he found that I was
the president of the magnetics division. He was
even more suprised when I had my attorney call
him at home.

I am nearly 72 years old and I have been designing
transformers since 1954. Small transformers used
in radio, TV, hi-fi, computers and other electronic
devices. I have designed audio transformers for
HK, Fisher, Marantz and all of the TV companies.

I have a storehouse of data books concerning audio
and power design. I would happily share this data
to people who would make good use of it in a
PROFESSIONAL MANNER. Any future bickering
on this forum will send me elsewhere. Ya I know,
who cares.

Gerald Stombaugh

Gerald Stombaugh wrote:

I have watched this forum for many years. I have seen
Andre, Dangerous Dan, Phil and others (all of whom
may be the work of one demented individual.) spew
their childish patter. Dangerous Dan even called the
president of Magnetek Corp. to see if I really worked
for the company. He just knew that I was part of
"the Magnequest Gang." I have spoken with Mike
but we have no business affiliations. Ole Dan was
more than a little suprised when he found that I was
the president of the magnetics division. He was
even more suprised when I had my attorney call
him at home.

I am nearly 72 years old and I have been designing
transformers since 1954. Small transformers used
in radio, TV, hi-fi, computers and other electronic
devices. I have designed audio transformers for
HK, Fisher, Marantz and all of the TV companies.

I have a storehouse of data books concerning audio
and power design. I would happily share this data
to people who would make good use of it in a
PROFESSIONAL MANNER. Any future bickering
on this forum will send me elsewhere. Ya I know,
who cares.

Gerald Stombaugh

We note your history of experience in the field of tranny design.

I don't want another war over transformers to eventuate.

At the moment, the discussions are about core losses, what causes them,
how they can be measured,
how materials can be tested, and for some, their own hot-headedness
turns many off the discussion
we could all benefit from.

I have grown fairly immune to the insults, since I have heard so many.

I know i don't know everything, and I would always seek to fill in the
gaps where
they'd make a difference to the quality of what i make.
I work profeessionally in the audio industry.
But many here are just hobbyists, and they would also like to know
the hows and whys of transformers, lest they see transformers as heavy
containers of agonizing mystery.

I wind all my own trannies, and they perform excellently compared to
all other products when I measure them.
So as far as I am concerned, I must be on the right track
even if my understandings of the why's are not 100% correct.
I'd be a blithering idiot if I maintained there was no further
improvement possible for my products as a result of deeper
understanding.

Forums always have bickering.
The US congress and state governments spend all day bickering;
you ought to listen to our nation's parliments!
Bickering goes on in knitting groups.
So what.
At the end of the day, we take away the gems and leave the
mullock heap fogotten.

Perhaps you could be so kind as to refer us to
beneficial information sources re core losses, their measurement,
the cause, the prediction of losses after tests, etc, etc.

I for one would not want you feel ill at ease during such process.

I freely ask questions all the time. It isn't bickering, its just part
of the understanding
process.

I share all my "professional data" freely.
I established a website with much that is of interest with regard to
tube craft,
and many folks have told me so in their private emails.

I am working on a design program for OPTs.

I should be able to make a final judgement on whether core losses in an
OPT
need to be accounted for in the design process.

Moses brought the ten commandments on stones down from the moumtain.
I don't recall he ran off with them because of the bickering.

Methinks Commandments need careful explanations from a dedicated priest
of high
learning experiences, and done with disregard to the noise.



Patrick Turner.

"JamesG" wrote

Mr. Stombaugh,
Alas, I agree with you.

Unfortunately, Phil and his ilk has driven a great deal of
thoughtful discussion away from this board.

Rubbish. We get fewer parasites and lonely people who want to chat
about bugger all. Thoughtful discussion barely happens on usenet.
Too full of posturing posers and their attendant grovelling dimwits.
The poverty of content is the problem, not the style.

You could always try though...how about a thoughtful contribution to
a discussion on transformer losses? No-one is stopping you.

cheers, Ian

"Gerald Stombaugh" wrote

I have watched this forum for many years...

Parasite.

...I would happily share this data
to people who would make good use of it in a
PROFESSIONAL MANNER...

How come you haven't already? You have been watching for many years
just waiting for a chance? And there has never been one? So what's
new? Why bleat now?

...Any future bickering
on this forum will send me elsewhere. Ya I know,
who cares.

What is there to care about?

cheers, Ian

I'm a ET 20 + yrs exp. DITTO to you
"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...


Gerald Stombaugh wrote:

I have watched this forum for many years. I have seen
Andre, Dangerous Dan, Phil and others (all of whom
may be the work of one demented individual.) spew
their childish patter. Dangerous Dan even called the
president of Magnetek Corp. to see if I really worked
for the company. He just knew that I was part of
"the Magnequest Gang." I have spoken with Mike
but we have no business affiliations. Ole Dan was
more than a little suprised when he found that I was
the president of the magnetics division. He was
even more suprised when I had my attorney call
him at home.

I am nearly 72 years old and I have been designing
transformers since 1954. Small transformers used
in radio, TV, hi-fi, computers and other electronic
devices. I have designed audio transformers for
HK, Fisher, Marantz and all of the TV companies.

I have a storehouse of data books concerning audio
and power design. I would happily share this data
to people who would make good use of it in a
PROFESSIONAL MANNER. Any future bickering
on this forum will send me elsewhere. Ya I know,
who cares.

Gerald Stombaugh

We note your history of experience in the field of tranny design.

I don't want another war over transformers to eventuate.

At the moment, the discussions are about core losses, what causes them,
how they can be measured,
how materials can be tested, and for some, their own hot-headedness
turns many off the discussion
we could all benefit from.

I have grown fairly immune to the insults, since I have heard so many.

I know i don't know everything, and I would always seek to fill in the
gaps where
they'd make a difference to the quality of what i make.
I work profeessionally in the audio industry.
But many here are just hobbyists, and they would also like to know
the hows and whys of transformers, lest they see transformers as heavy
containers of agonizing mystery.

I wind all my own trannies, and they perform excellently compared to
all other products when I measure them.
So as far as I am concerned, I must be on the right track
even if my understandings of the why's are not 100% correct.
I'd be a blithering idiot if I maintained there was no further
improvement possible for my products as a result of deeper
understanding.

Forums always have bickering.
The US congress and state governments spend all day bickering;
you ought to listen to our nation's parliments!
Bickering goes on in knitting groups.
So what.
At the end of the day, we take away the gems and leave the
mullock heap fogotten.

Perhaps you could be so kind as to refer us to
beneficial information sources re core losses, their measurement,
the cause, the prediction of losses after tests, etc, etc.

I for one would not want you feel ill at ease during such process.

I freely ask questions all the time. It isn't bickering, its just part
of the understanding
process.

I share all my "professional data" freely.
I established a website with much that is of interest with regard to
tube craft,
and many folks have told me so in their private emails.

I am working on a design program for OPTs.

I should be able to make a final judgement on whether core losses in an
OPT
need to be accounted for in the design process.

Moses brought the ten commandments on stones down from the moumtain.
I don't recall he ran off with them because of the bickering.

Methinks Commandments need careful explanations from a dedicated priest
of high
learning experiences, and done with disregard to the noise.



Patrick Turner.

Ian Iveson wrote:

"Gerald Stombaugh" wrote

I have watched this forum for many years...

Parasite.

...I would happily share this data
to people who would make good use of it in a
PROFESSIONAL MANNER...

How come you haven't already? You have been watching for many years
just waiting for a chance? And there has never been one? So what's
new? Why bleat now?

...Any future bickering
on this forum will send me elsewhere. Ya I know,
who cares.

What is there to care about?

There is the care of his fellow man to care about.

But anyone armed with knowledge craved is free to ignore
everyone. Ther are free to remain uninvolved, reticent, and posture
from a silent pedastal.
I prefer to be a part of the hurly burly world, and deal with whatever
comes along.

I will continue to do ok without the silent readers even though they
could
help out with sensible advice.

Some go further, and torture everyone as they release what they know.

People fear being heckled and treated badly if they say anything at all.

Thios makes it important to try to say things that are
comprensible by ordinary people, technically correct, and so on.
But there will still be a lot left to argue and bicker about.

Taking an active part in news groups requires inner emotional
liberation,
ie, you cannot be offended easily, and you have to ignore the
anti-personal
spiel some posters cannot resist.

Patrick Turner.








cheers, Ian

But anyone armed with knowledge craved is free to ignore
everyone. Ther are free to remain uninvolved, reticent, and posture
from a silent pedastal.
I prefer to be a part of the hurly burly world, and deal with whatever
comes along.

I will continue to do ok without the silent readers even though they
could
help out with sensible advice.


I agree with Patrick, the foul mouth jerks can be kill-filed, but what about
the silent lurkers who never share any professional data or advice? they
are almost as bad as the trolls, never giving, only taking from the group

If you are 72 and have some knowledge about things electrical and concerning
tubes and amps, how about sharing it, so some youngster who is reading this
right now might learn something and get excited about vintage EE

otherwise, when you kick-off in a few years, what good were you to the
tranny men of tomorrow who are only 15 right now and trying to choose
between tube amps and drugs as a fun hobby?

look at what Tim Williams has become, he is already a tube design legend at
age 20! but no thanks to you!

try to use Fred Nachbaur as a role model for how to pass something on to the
next generation and make your place in heaven! we will never forget his
precious gifts to this group of his knowledge and most of all, his time!


wake up!

cowboy

cowboy wrote:

But anyone armed with knowledge craved is free to ignore
everyone. Ther are free to remain uninvolved, reticent, and posture
from a silent pedastal.
I prefer to be a part of the hurly burly world, and deal with whatever
comes along.

I will continue to do ok without the silent readers even though they
could
help out with sensible advice.

I agree with Patrick, the foul mouth jerks can be kill-filed, but what about
the silent lurkers who never share any professional data or advice? they
are almost as bad as the trolls, never giving, only taking from the group

And the silent know all lurkers occasionally join in to plunge a dagger
when I'm wrong.

They don't have the courage to share their daily thoughts and experiences.
They seem dried up, impotent, moribund, and have given up creating a legacy of
anything.



If you are 72 and have some knowledge about things electrical and concerning
tubes and amps, how about sharing it, so some youngster who is reading this
right now might learn something and get excited about vintage EE

I am only 57, and have a lot to learn.
But some of these old codgers have that attitude that they know more than young
turks like me
because they did this and that for all these years and years, but really they
sound like a donkey
saying how far it pulled a cart.

Where are their inovative ideas now?

Where is their hand of friendship extended?


otherwise, when you kick-off in a few years, what good were you to the
tranny men of tomorrow who are only 15 right now and trying to choose
between tube amps and drugs as a fun hobby?

I am not indispensible. I will soon be forgot when I am gone.
By then tube craft by diyers will be rarer than it is now because the chinese
will
have matured in their capabilities, and nobody in their right minds will
wind a tranny.


look at what Tim Williams has become, he is already a tube design legend at
age 20! but no thanks to you!

Sure he's keen. But he can't hack the present discussions.
Where is he?
Maybe he learnt something.
But heck, at 20 a young man isn't able to make much money from tube craft.
He is probably occupied by 1,001 other preoccupations rather than
spending 12 hrs a day slaving away for peanuts building tube gear.
Almost nobody can go big without a huge capital investment.
Halcro went from cottage industry to a leader in hi-end SS gear
after someone rich who ran a silver and gold mining concern thought
it'd be fun to back a battler with a decent amp idea.
The battler wasn't a pup of 20.
Millions were spent to get the brand established in the minds
of the high-end cognescenti, and afaik, it has paid off.
I doubt anyone could do the same with tube amps.
I should have been artound in 1949, then I may have done good,
although I would then probably be sued by all these ppl claiming
I infringed their patents.



try to use Fred Nachbaur as a role model for how to pass something on to the
next generation and make your place in heaven! we will never forget his
precious gifts to this group of his knowledge and most of all, his time!

He sure was a nice guy.

Patrick Turner.



wake up!

cowboy

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:50:50 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:


"Gerald Stombaugh"

I have watched this forum for many years. I have seen
Andre, Dangerous Dan, Phil and others (all of whom may be the work of
one demented individual.)


** So you are a cretinous, demented ****wit ??

snip


Phil, you've missed paying your subs to the charm school again, haven't
you?

Don't be a PITA with your love of winding people up - you arn't *really*
that stupid a cretin and you know it.

--
Mick
(no M$ software on here... :-) )
Web: http://www.nascom.info
Web: http://projectedsound.tk

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:32:39 -0500, "cowboy"
cacheoverflow@yahooDOTcom wrote:


But anyone armed with knowledge craved is free to ignore
everyone. Ther are free to remain uninvolved, reticent, and posture
from a silent pedastal.
I prefer to be a part of the hurly burly world, and deal with whatever
comes along.

I will continue to do ok without the silent readers even though they could
help out with sensible advice.

I agree with Patrick, the foul mouth jerks can be kill-filed, but what about
the silent lurkers who never share any professional data or advice? they
are almost as bad as the trolls, never giving, only taking from the group

If you are 72 and have some knowledge about things electrical and concerning
tubes and amps, how about sharing it, so some youngster who is reading this
right now might learn something and get excited about vintage EE

There is perhaps a slight problem here, in that RDH4 tells you all you
need to know about the technology, and it was published more than half
a century ago. That also points up the other problem - no one who
actually does have some knowledge about things electrical and
concerning tubes and amps, would even *consider* using tubes for audio
amplifiers in the 21st century.....................

otherwise, when you kick-off in a few years, what good were you to the
tranny men of tomorrow who are only 15 right now and trying to choose
between tube amps and drugs as a fun hobby?

Tube amps can kill you faster! :-0

OTOH, since we all agree that the best tube amp is one that doesn't
have a tranny, why not go the whole hog and dump the tubes as well?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Stewart Pinkerton"


OTOH, since we all agree that the best tube amp is one that doesn't
have a tranny, why not go the whole hog and dump the tubes as well?



** ROTFL !!!!

Now that IS funny !!!

All problems are solved by going PASSIVE !!!!!!!!




............... Phil

In article , Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:

OTOH, since we all agree that the best tube amp is one that doesn't
have a tranny, why not go the whole hog and dump the tubes as well?

Where did you get the notion that "we all agree that the best tube amp is
one that doesn't have a tranny"? The "tranny" is an essential part of the
very essence of a tube amp, eliminate it and you have a piece of junk.
You can even build a decent solid state amp by adding a "tranny" to the
design, although you have to do it correctly or you will again end up with
junk.


Regards,

John Byrns


Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:57:26 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton"

OTOH, since we all agree that the best tube amp is one that doesn't
have a tranny, why not go the whole hog and dump the tubes as well?

** ROTFL !!!!

Now that IS funny !!!

All problems are solved by going PASSIVE !!!!!!!!

Ah, so it's true - you really *are* that stupid.................
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:51:48 -0600, (John Byrns) wrote:

In article , Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:

OTOH, since we all agree that the best tube amp is one that doesn't
have a tranny, why not go the whole hog and dump the tubes as well?

Where did you get the notion that "we all agree that the best tube amp is
one that doesn't have a tranny"?

OTL is the Holy Grail of the tube amp fraternity.

The "tranny" is an essential part of the
very essence of a tube amp, eliminate it and you have a piece of junk.

Really? Tell that to Futterman et al.............

How can you say that a device which is *inherently* nonlinear is 'the
very essence' of *any* amplifier with claims to sonic purity?

You can even build a decent solid state amp by adding a "tranny" to the
design, although you have to do it correctly or you will again end up with
junk.

No, it *becomes* junk when you add the tranny.........

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:51:48 -0600, (John Byrns) wrote:

In article , Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:

OTOH, since we all agree that the best tube amp is one that doesn't
have a tranny, why not go the whole hog and dump the tubes as well?

Where did you get the notion that "we all agree that the best tube amp is
one that doesn't have a tranny"?

OTL is the Holy Grail of the tube amp fraternity.


Wrong.

There is nothing Holy about an amp with a hole on the chassis
where the OPT could have been.

Its a Delusion that OTLs are able to make better music.


The "tranny" is an essential part of the
very essence of a tube amp, eliminate it and you have a piece of junk.

Really? Tell that to Futterman et al.............

Futterman the Brave, a noble soul, and you'd think after him OPTs would
dissappear
forever.
But they didn't, and they won't.



How can you say that a device which is *inherently* nonlinear is 'the
very essence' of *any* amplifier with claims to sonic purity?

You can even build a decent solid state amp by adding a "tranny" to the
design, although you have to do it correctly or you will again end up with
junk.

No, it *becomes* junk when you add the tranny.........

That makes as much sense as
Life becomes funk when you see pinky in the dunny......

You really wanna sit there longer pinky, your'e so full of ****.

Patrick Turner.



--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote

That also points up the other problem - no one who
actually does have some knowledge about things electrical and
concerning tubes and amps, would even *consider* using tubes for audio
amplifiers in the 21st century.....................

Are you on crack cocaine?

It is not even debatable any more that the world's finest audio amplifiers
use tubes exclusively. If you don't know this, then you need to be selling
shoes for a living or something.

If Tiger Woods was to give me a 1 million dollar budget to design him the
ultimate stereo system AT ANY COST, he would be receiving back a direct
heated, single ended triode design using an interstage transformer, surely
less than 5 watts, and the NOS output tubes would likely have been made
around 1930

if you want to learn about the finest stereo systems in the world, if cost
is no object, you might want to start with this website:

www.vt52.com

In other words, this is what you want if you have unlimited funds and you
want the best sound on the earth. And among serious audiophiles, there is
really no debate on this.


cheers!

cowboy

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:19:09 -0500, "cowboy"
cacheoverflow@yahooDOTcom wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote

That also points up the other problem - no one who
actually does have some knowledge about things electrical and
concerning tubes and amps, would even *consider* using tubes for audio
amplifiers in the 21st century.....................

Are you on crack cocaine?

I prefer Lagavulin........

It is not even debatable any more that the world's finest audio amplifiers
use tubes exclusively. If you don't know this, then you need to be selling
shoes for a living or something.

It's certainly not debatable, and not one of the world's dozen
(hundred?) best amplifiers use tubes. However, it's also not debabable
that SET amps are definitely the world's *worst* amplifiers.......

If you don't know this, then you're probably in exactly the right
newsgroup! :-)

If Tiger Woods was to give me a 1 million dollar budget to design him the
ultimate stereo system AT ANY COST, he would be receiving back a direct
heated, single ended triode design using an interstage transformer, surely
less than 5 watts, and the NOS output tubes would likely have been made
around 1930

BWAHAHAHAHA! Case closed........

BTW, if it's at *any* cost, why is there a $1 million budget? You
could readily exceed that by the time you've commissioned the
architect and built the room, even before buying the electronics and
speakers. I seriously doubt that your 5 watt amp would make much
impression on Avalon Eidolons, JMLab Utopia Bes or B&W Nautilus 800Ds.

if you want to learn about the finest stereo systems in the world, if cost
is no object, you might want to start with this website:

www.vt52.com

Try Bryston or Krell for some proper amplifiers, i.e ones which don't
colour the uinput signal.

In other words, this is what you want if you have unlimited funds and you
want the best sound on the earth. And among serious audiophiles, there is
really no debate on this.

Among *serious* audiophiles, there is no debate that there are
virtually *no* top-class loudspeakers that can be effectively driven
by less than 100 watts per channel, coming from a source with enough
current capability to drive a 2-ohm load without complaint. Flea-power
SET amps are for anachronistic jerkoffs like you.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

cowboy wrote:

If Tiger Woods was to give me a 1 million dollar budget to design him the
ultimate stereo system AT ANY COST, he would be receiving back a direct
heated, single ended triode design using an interstage transformer, surely
less than 5 watts, and the NOS output tubes would likely have been made
around 1930.

In other words, you'd beat him like a two-dollar bongo.

Talk about crack cocaine...yeesh. Why would he want
to spend that much money on something that hums
like a beehive and has no dynamic range?

You're fulla more **** than a dog park, son.
Go sell Earth Shoes.

Lord Valve
Expert

did you really mean 72 years old, or 7.2?

"you guys all act the way i want you to or ill take my cookies and go
somewhere else."

sounds like a junior highschool girl....

randy

there's a certain irony in this statement...

randy

And among serious audiophiles, there is really no debate on this.

xrongor wrote:

there's a certain irony in this statement...

randy

And among serious audiophiles, there is really no debate on this.

I reckon if we ankle cuffed Pinky and Cowboy
together for a week, there'd be nothin left
after a day except two bleedin ankles with sore feet.

Ah, the marvols of inteelectual intocourse betwin two
extreemists is a wunder to behold.

Patrick Turner.

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:16:22 +1100, Patrick Turner
wrote:

xrongor wrote:

there's a certain irony in this statement...

randy

And among serious audiophiles, there is really no debate on this.

I reckon if we ankle cuffed Pinky and Cowboy
together for a week, there'd be nothin left
after a day except two bleedin ankles with sore feet.

And neither of them would be mine......... :-)

Ah, the marvols of inteelectual intocourse betwin two
extreemists is a wunder to behold.

Indeed it would be - did you mean you and Phil? One thing I'm
certainly *not* is an extremist - that's why I don't do toobs! :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:16:22 +1100, Patrick Turner
wrote:

xrongor wrote:

there's a certain irony in this statement...

randy

And among serious audiophiles, there is really no debate on this.

I reckon if we ankle cuffed Pinky and Cowboy
together for a week, there'd be nothin left
after a day except two bleedin ankles with sore feet.

And neither of them would be mine......... :-)

So you reckon we'd all have bleedin ankles an sore feet from
booting youse up the arse outa the place.



Ah, the marvols of inteelectual intocourse betwin two
extreemists is a wunder to behold.

Indeed it would be - did you mean you and Phil? One thing I'm
certainly *not* is an extremist - that's why I don't do toobs! :-)

Neither Phil nor myself is an "extremist", which is a word too much like
"terrorist".
But I build the occasional SS thingemebob.
Even a 300 watt bjt amp before last Xmas.
The owner is utterly delighted. I dunno if that's extreme.
I did a nice subwoofer filter unit with SS recently.
I don't need tubes for everything.

Phil and I never do agree entirely.

Phil has a real good elagunt weigh of tawking when heez cross.

It does give colour to our group in the absense of all those silent
folks that read us and who have all that knowhow but who'd rather be bone
lazy and say nothing to anyone
except by way of plunging in a dagger when it suits them, lest they run
the risk of being
shot at (or blasted into oblivion ) by the BS spotters who lurk,
or by Phil, who doesn't exactly tolerate BS when he smells it.
I'd rather let a bit of BS go past, since i prefer to try to be friendly.

News groups to me should be fun, and being plain wrong doesn't carry
a death penalty here afaiac.
Triades of swearing and tantrums don't make me mad anymore.

Imagine what the group would be like if there were 40 men each writing
400 lines a day.
No one person could take part in all the threads....

But it just ain't like this, and what we got is what we is.

And unless folks are gonna make it different, stop whingeing, stop
moanin......

Patrick Turner.




--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

as a side note:

fighting on your side for what they believe in, regardless of being right or
wrong: patriot
fighting on the other side for what they believe it, regardless of being
right or wrong, and especially if they are too poor to have a traditional
'army' so they cant fly over and drop bombs like a 'civilized' nation:
terrorist

ah the power of language...

if you ask me, the terrorists are the ones who use the word terrorist on the
news, and in their campaign speeches, to make sure you fear the
'terrorists'.

randy

Neither Phil nor myself is an "extremist", which is a word too much like
"terrorist".

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:02:24 -0700, "xrongor"
wrote:

as a side note:

fighting on your side for what they believe in, regardless of being right or
wrong: patriot
fighting on the other side for what they believe it, regardless of being
right or wrong, and especially if they are too poor to have a traditional
'army' so they cant fly over and drop bombs like a 'civilized' nation:
terrorist

ah the power of language...

if you ask me, the terrorists are the ones who use the word terrorist on the
news, and in their campaign speeches, to make sure you fear the
'terrorists'.

randy

Neither Phil nor myself is an "extremist", which is a word too much like
"terrorist".

Nazis - vile creatures who herded their own citizens of different
ethnic origin into ghettos and camps for the purposes of repression
and slaughter, to maintain the purity of God's chosen race.

Israelis - see above.......................

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Stewart Pinkerton"

Nazis - vile creatures who herded their own citizens of different
ethnic origin into ghettos and camps for the purposes of repression
and slaughter, to maintain the purity of God's chosen race.



** Nazis - historically, ordinary German folk possessing an arrogant
attitude and an unshakable belief that they alone were right that was not
based on anything rational.

Nazi - person who's attitudes, manner and way of treating others who are
in no position to fight back resembles the behaviour of the members of the
German fascist movement.

Stewart Pinkerton = strutting, smug, pig arrogant pommy Nazi.

Hitler would have made him an officer of the Third Reich.

Pinkerton would have licked his arse for the privilege.




................ Phil

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:39:23 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton"

Nazis - vile creatures who herded their own citizens of different
ethnic origin into ghettos and camps for the purposes of repression
and slaughter, to maintain the purity of God's chosen race.

** Nazis - historically, ordinary German folk possessing an arrogant
attitude and an unshakable belief that they alone were right that was not
based on anything rational.

Nazi - person who's attitudes, manner and way of treating others who are
in no position to fight back resembles the behaviour of the members of the
German fascist movement.

Stewart Pinkerton = strutting, smug, pig arrogant pommy Nazi.

Hitler would have made him an officer of the Third Reich.

Pinkerton would have licked his arse for the privilege.

You really are totally ****ed in the head, aren't you Phil?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

xrongor wrote:
as a side note:

fighting on your side for what they believe in, regardless of being right or
wrong: patriot
fighting on the other side for what they believe it, regardless of being
right or wrong, and especially if they are too poor to have a traditional
'army' so they cant fly over and drop bombs like a 'civilized' nation:
terrorist

ah the power of language...

I put this into my collection box of sayings ;-)

Kind regards, Eike
--
Lions go to absurd lengths to retain the posession of their skins.
- Stewart Edward White 1913

"Stewart Pinkerton"

You really are totally ****ed in the head, aren't you Phil?


** Nazis - historically, ordinary German folk possessing an arrogant
attitude and an unshakable belief that they alone were right that was not
based on anything rational

Nazi - person who's attitudes, manner and way of treating others who are
in no position to fight back resembles the behaviour of the members of the
German fascist movement.

Stewart Pinkerton = strutting, smug, pig arrogant pommy Nazi.

Hitler would have made him an officer of the Third Reich.

Pinkerton would have licked his arse for the privilege.



Stewart Pinkerton = fascist wannabe




............ Phil

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:22:48 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton"

You really are totally ****ed in the head, aren't you Phil?

****ed in the head, and apparently stuck in a loop. Time to change the
meds again, Phil.......
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Stewart Pinkerton"

You really are totally ****ed in the head, aren't you Phil?



** Nazis - historically, ordinary German folk possessing an arrogant
attitude and an unshakable belief that they alone were right that was not
based on anything rational

Nazi - person who's attitudes, manner and way of treating others who are
in no position to fight back resembles the behaviour of the members of the
German fascist movement.

Stewart Pinkerton = strutting, smug, pig arrogant pommy Nazi.

Hitler would have made him an officer of the Third Reich.

Pinkerton would have licked his arse for the privilege.



Stewart Pinkerton = fascist wannabe




............ Phil

why dont both of you google godwins law and end this conversation

randy

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Stewart Pinkerton"

You really are totally ****ed in the head, aren't you Phil?



** Nazis - historically, ordinary German folk possessing an arrogant
attitude and an unshakable belief that they alone were right that was not
based on anything rational

Nazi - person who's attitudes, manner and way of treating others who are
in no position to fight back resembles the behaviour of the members of the
German fascist movement.

Stewart Pinkerton = strutting, smug, pig arrogant pommy Nazi.

Hitler would have made him an officer of the Third Reich.

Pinkerton would have licked his arse for the privilege.



Stewart Pinkerton = fascist wannabe




........... Phil






I am glad to see that the RAT's roll on. .. I am just a Pommie, halfwit,
arselicking, shhirtlifting ********, asshole and know nothing at all about
anything .. the Turneroid meets the Allison .. who couldn't make a decent
engine until Rolls Royce showed them how to do it ... Packard and North
American built 'em and we got the P51 Mustang ...

What a peach !! ..... Brits and Yanks produced ... HISTORY ..

Read the books ...... Australia produced the Koala bear ......

Points out of ten ??

Name an Australian invention ..!!

Yawn, Yawn , ... ZZZZZZZZZZ

We value your input .. you do have useful things to say .. but we don't
need all the crap which accompamies it ...

You're collonials ... ACCEPT IT !!

cherers
jim

"Jim McDonald"


I am just a Pommie, halfwit,
arselicking, shhirtlifting ********, asshole and know nothing at all
about
anything ..



** Never a truer word said.




............. Phil