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Need CLIPS for pairs of audio faders: Scott, Mike, others?
Can any of our audio gurus point me to a specialized piece of audio
"equipment," either pre-made or some obvious home-made solution? In my PEG Access TV studio, most of the inputs to our audio mixer are stereo, and they end up on two separate faders, panned L-R. I have seen mixers with clips that make the two faders move as one. Any idea where I could get some? (A primitive device which clips onto or is screwed over a pair of faders). I can anticipate the obvious question - what brand-model of mixer. I don't know! We're currently using a 32-in Mackie and a similar Behringer, but I plan to buy a new mixer, brand undetermined. (I did a post here a few weeks ago about what mixer to get for a TV studio with many stereo inputs. None of the research I've done has turned up a suitable (and affordable) "broadcast board" (with many stereo inputs), so I'll probably be using a monster recording/live board.) Many of our users are amateurs, and it is hard to get them to use pairs of faders. I am hoping a clip on each pair would make it more obvious, even unavoidable. |
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Need CLIPS for pairs of audio faders: Scott, Mike, others?
Many of our users are amateurs, and it is hard to get them to use pairs of faders. I am hoping a clip on each pair would make it more obvious, even unavoidable. isn't that what gaffers tape was made for? :-) Mark |
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On Nov 20, 1:56*pm, Mark wrote:
Many of our users are amateurs, and it is hard to get them to use pairs of faders. I am hoping a clip on each pair would make it more obvious, even unavoidable. isn't that what gaffers tape was made for? :-) Mark ECCCCHHHHH! |
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Need CLIPS for pairs of audio faders: Scott, Mike, others?
On Nov 20, 2:07*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
wrote: Can any of our audio gurus point me to a specialized piece of audio "equipment," either pre-made or some obvious home-made solution? In my PEG Access TV studio, most of the inputs to our audio mixer are stereo, and they end up on two separate faders, panned L-R. I have seen mixers with clips that make the two faders move as one. Any idea where I could get some? (A primitive device which clips onto or is screwed over a pair of faders). We always made our own. *Draw it out, take it down to your local custom motorcycle shop and have them cut you some. *Explain to them that you want it out of aluminum so it's easy to make. I may have to, if nobody else has another source. I don't know why Markertek doesn't have them, or even Mackie themselves. I can anticipate the obvious question - what brand-model of mixer. I don't know! We're currently using a 32-in Mackie and a similar Behringer, but I plan to buy a new mixer, brand undetermined. They will be different for every mixer. *I have some for API 440s somewhere around if you happen to have an old API console. (I did a post here a few weeks ago about what mixer to get for a TV studio with many stereo inputs. None of the research I've done has turned up a suitable (and affordable) "broadcast board" (with many stereo inputs), so I'll probably be using a monster recording/live board.) I think this will be a mistake, because you will find it is easier to mess things up on a big general purpose console because there are so many more control and more routing features. On the other hand, they come in handy for mix minuses, and fixing eq issues. And best of all, I can get beaucoups of channels, cheap. *And there are a lot of used broadcast consoles out there for cheap. My luck with used has been poor. I first tried a used Behringerm but a few channel died. Then I schmoozed into a used Mackie 32-in, but it's developed a tendency for the left channel to drop out (of everything) intermittently. On the TV side, I got a used vectorscope, and it exploded the first day (well, it smoked and burned up.) Many of our users are amateurs, and it is hard to get them to use pairs of faders. I am hoping a clip on each pair would make it more obvious, even unavoidable. Have you considered mono? *It's the future, you know. Let me answer, mono y mono: I'm having enough trouble trying to get everything digital and HDTV, as it is! --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. *C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." What the heck does this translate to? |
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Need CLIPS for pairs of audio faders: Scott, Mike, others?
Jack wrote: My luck with used has been poor. I first tried a used Behringerm but a few channel died. Then I schmoozed into a used Mackie 32-in, but it's developed a tendency for the left channel to drop out (of everything) intermittently. On the TV side, I got a used vectorscope, and it exploded the first day (well, it smoked and burned up.) Scott's not talking about buying already-marginal, used, MI-grade junk. He referenced professional *broadcast quality* gear; most of which has been professionally maintained over its lifetime...and specifically built for the application you describe. Jack's right on the money with this. tHe Mackie Behringer stuff is not designed for your application, is often not professionally maintained. By the time you buy it used, it's a bick lighter. throw the sucker away. IN fact, pro bc gear would be easier for your "amateurs" to get their heads around. THey don't have to remember wtf aux bus is or similar terminology. THe sucker is labeled, control room, etc. IF you need oodles of channels cheap, then get you a Mackie or Behringer and run it as a side car, but give your "amateur" volunteers a chance to figure out what's what by providing a regular broadcast console for master control. Have you considered mono? It's the future, you know. Let me answer, mono y mono: I'm having enough trouble trying to get everything digital and HDTV, as it is! ANd most folks who are going to watch "public access tv" are watching in mono anyway. dO you listen to your air chain for mono compatability, or do you not bother with that? Richard webb, replace anything before at with elspider "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --- Benjamin Franklin, NOvember 1755 from the Historical review of Pennsylvania Great audio is never heard by the average person, but bad audio is heard by everyone. |
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(Scott Dorsey) wrote: We always made our own. Draw it out, take it down to your local custom motorcycle shop and have them cut you some. Explain to them that you want it out of aluminum so it's easy to make. I may have to, if nobody else has another source. I don't know why Markertek doesn't have them, or even Mackie themselves. As you have tacitly admitted yourself, it depends on exactly which equipment you have, and even which sliders you are wanting to join. It is easy enough to mill out a chunk of aluminum with slots of the apprporiate size and spacing. But only AFTER you know what the size and spacing are. I would propose that people with your application aren't using Mackie (or other MI) mixers, but rather more broadcast-like equipment (which doesn't need stereo knobs) such as Mr Dorsey is suggesting. That would explain the lack of commercially-available knobs. |
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Need CLIPS for pairs of audio faders: Scott, Mike, others?
Wow, I stepped on a nerve.
I do appreciate the advice (I respect Scott, that's why I asked for him in the title.) I did take Scott's advice and looked up broadcast boards. I found them very expensive, and lacking in some of the features common to rec/live mixers. (At my news network job, I use a Wheatstone D9 - very cool, but way too expensive.) As I say, I've been burned on used stuff, some of it serious broadcast gear. It's hard to get past that. As for cost, it is hard to sell my Board of Directors on an $8k board when they say "You can buy a big board for $2k!" The dowel/pencil idea was one of the things I was looking for. That just might work. And yes, I do check mono compatibility! I came into TV from the audio world about 25 years ago. Just asking for info. No need to bite my head off. Yes, I run an access corp, but I work in grownup TV, too. |
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On Nov 20, 10:41*am, " wrote:
Can any of our audio gurus point me to a specialized piece of audio "equipment," either pre-made or some obvious home-made solution? In my PEG Access TV studio, most of the inputs to our audio mixer are stereo, and they end up on two separate faders, panned L-R. I have seen mixers with clips that make the two faders move as one. Any idea where I could get some? (A primitive device which clips onto or is screwed over a pair of faders). I can anticipate the obvious question - what brand-model of mixer. I don't know! We're currently using a 32-in Mackie and a similar Behringer, but I plan to buy a new mixer, brand undetermined. (I did a post here a few weeks ago about what mixer to get for a TV studio with many stereo inputs. None of the research I've done has turned up a suitable (and affordable) "broadcast board" (with many stereo inputs), so I'll probably be using a monster recording/live board.) Many of our users are amateurs, and it is hard to get them to use pairs of faders. I am hoping a clip on each pair would make it more obvious, even unavoidable. Check out the Yamaha LS9-32 digital mixer. It has 2 expansion slots that you can eventually add a couple of adat cards to add another 16 channels of mic pres or you can add two 8 ch line input cards for another 16 channels of line ins. You can the pair and un-pair or group faders as the project determines and store the setting to make templates of certain setups. Right out of the box it's a 32 in/16 out digital mixer for about $10k. |
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On Nov 20, 10:58*pm, wrote:
On 2008-11-20 said: * *Wow, I stepped on a nerve. NOT knowing your background Jack and I may have come off a bit harsh, but I don't find the Mackie/Behringer stuff that much value for money, but, you and your board of directors have to make that call g. Most of my Directors are just average townies: retired police officer, retired accountant, nurse, janitor, wedding video guy, but one of them is manager of a regional news network, and he has very strong tecnical opinions. The 32-in Mackie was purchased from his network, at his urging (which now has an intermittent left channel dropout, and some really hinky faders and buttons). When he techno-speaks, all of the others are wowed, and I have to accommodate that. Worst thing is that he leads me in some direction, I do the research, then he changes his mind and humiliates me for looking in that direction! * *The dowel/pencil idea was one of the things I was looking for. That * *just might work. Yep, just might, I"ve seen it used for this before. Somehwere I saw some (custom-made, I guess) metal screwed-on clips. * *And yes, I do check mono compatibility! I came into TV from the * *audio world about 25 years ago. Cool! *SOme don't and it always bugs me when they don't and I"m sitting in a motel room somewhere trying to listen to something on a mono tv, which is the only time i pay any attention to a television. BT (before television) I was a home recordist and recording studio lizard. Even though I'm out-of-the-loop on certain current audio trends, I still know the basics very well. It was BATTLE to get the cable provider to allow me to broadcast in stereo. Now, despite their aggressive marketing of digital and hi-def cable service, I'm having a devil of a time getting them to accept my HD-SDI signals for our 4 TV channels. * *Just asking for info. No need to bite my head off. Yes, I run an Understood. *WE get all skill and experience levels here, and access tv and the volunteer world are notorious for trying to make every fastener a nail because the only tools they see available are hammers. There are some of us out here who are not Wayne's World, or two-chairs- and-a-plant. My channels are often held up as good examples. In all humility, I haven't looked for a job for about 20 years. They keep being offered to me. Right now, I'm a juggler, trying to keep all the balls in the air: Trying to spend some decent money but not look like a freewheeler, trying to please Board, towns, viewers, volunteers and myself. So far, everybody is pleased with my digtal hi-def rebuild: razor-sharp eye- candy, but way under budget. So yeah, I'm very fussy about the audio quality. As I stated, my goal here is get a board that will be easy for the much-maligned volunteers to use, but offer lots of potential for those of us who know a lot of audio tricks. We did a show last night: live from 3 locations, proper mix-minuses via phone to the satellite locations, viewer phone-in, cuts to another network, live band, 6 talent, IFBs (some wireless), the whole schmear. It actually worked. We didn't have the CNN Hologram, though... Regards, Richard webb, replace anything before at with elspider "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --- Benjamin Franklin, NOvember 1755 from the *Historical review of Pennsylvania a good captain is hoisting his first drink in a bar when the storm hits |
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