What is the real story on cleaning CDs? I have heard all kinds of
conflicting rumors.

I bought one of those clam-shell "radial" cleaners and it left my CDs with a
haze that remained after the cleaning fluid dried and I could clearly see
the "sponge prints" of the radial cleaning circles that left marks after the
fluid dried.

Should I use distilled water + isopropyl alcohol? Will that "strip" vital
essential oils from the CD as it was said to do to vinyl?

Or how about mild soap and distilled water?

I do know to wipe gently outward in spoke style, but that is the only thing
that I am certain about.

What about those proprietary CD cleaning kits? Most of them look like they
came from the same factory and just have different brand labels on them.

Do audiophiles "in the know", have a better way to clean CDs?

Has anyone had the bad experience with hazing and residue from the
commercial cleaners? Or any luck removing it?

Any advice or suggestions would be very appreciated.

"someguy" wrote in message
...
What is the real story on cleaning CDs? I have heard all kinds of
conflicting rumors.

I bought one of those clam-shell "radial" cleaners and it left my CDs with
a
haze that remained after the cleaning fluid dried and I could clearly see
the "sponge prints" of the radial cleaning circles that left marks after
the
fluid dried.

Should I use distilled water + isopropyl alcohol? Will that "strip" vital
essential oils from the CD as it was said to do to vinyl?

Or how about mild soap and distilled water?

I use soap, water, and a Bounty towel, wiping from center to edge.
Isopropyl can damage the very thin laquer on the reverse side, exposing the
aluminzed layer to oxygen and ruining the CD

The little machine you describe is just a bad idea.

Some purists have pointed out that polycarbonate is permeable to water, but
personally, I haven't had a bad experience -- and all the alternatives are
worse.

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:55:46 -0500, "Robert Morein"
wrote:


"someguy" wrote in message
...
What is the real story on cleaning CDs? I have heard all kinds of
conflicting rumors.

I bought one of those clam-shell "radial" cleaners and it left my CDs with
a
haze that remained after the cleaning fluid dried and I could clearly see
the "sponge prints" of the radial cleaning circles that left marks after
the
fluid dried.

Should I use distilled water + isopropyl alcohol? Will that "strip" vital
essential oils from the CD as it was said to do to vinyl?

Or how about mild soap and distilled water?

I use soap, water, and a Bounty towel, wiping from center to edge.
Isopropyl can damage the very thin laquer on the reverse side, exposing the
aluminzed layer to oxygen and ruining the CD

The little machine you describe is just a bad idea.

Some purists have pointed out that polycarbonate is permeable to water, but
personally, I haven't had a bad experience -- and all the alternatives are
worse.


Speaking of useless machines for cleaning CDs, my Nitty Gritty record
cleaner came with an attachment for cleaning CDs. First of all, the
model of Nitty Gritty I have cleans both sides of the record, so it
would be cleaning the label side of a CD as well as the data side,
unless I applied the fluid manually only to the data side before
putting it on the cleaner. Secondly, the groove-cleaning fibers that
the machine uses would be of limited usefulness, since the data side
of a CD doesn't have grooves in it.

I just use mild soap and water, along with a soft paper towel. I've
even used Windex with no obvious ill effects.

Scott Gardner

Scott Gardner said:

Speaking of useless



Draw near, ye of concreted skulls. Lay forth your attentiveness to my
narration of the **** of RAO Past. Or in contemporary slang: duh!


Exhibit 1:

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It's not worth it , Mr. Krueger.

Thanks for admitting that you critique what you haven't investigated,
Mr. Samangitak

Any indication of other tests that don't coincide with yours, you
will claim the tests were suspect.

False claim.

You've been there and done that?

Thanks for admitting that you haven't, Mr. Samangitak

So has the audio testing bus that came to me in 3rd grade and junior high.

Thanks for admitting that your ears haven't been tested since junior
high. How many years ago was that?

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Exhibit 2:

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The original point was that Oakland College is a second-tier regional college.

Thanks for admitting that you have lost total track of the topic of
the discussion, Mr. Phillips. I've never had any kind of association
with Oakland College. I don't even know if such a place exists in any
place but your jumbled mind.

Compared with MIT, Cal Tech, and C-M, Oakland
College is indeed second-tier, and it does not have a reputation for sending
its engineering graduates to top companies.

But Mr. Phillips, thanks for admitting that you lied to this "real
engineer" by making up this false story that I think that OU is
"first tier".

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Exhibit 3:

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Thanks for pointing out that you haven't been paying attention.

It's not a matter of paying attention Weil, its a matter of not
caring. Frankly, I don't read every post on this newsgroup. But thanks
for admitting that you do. My problem is that I have a life --- you
obviously don't.

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Exhibit 4:

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What's the difference between opining and reporting, Mr. Krueger?

Thanks for admitting that you can't tell the difference. I'll bear
that in mind the next time you report anything?

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Exhibit 5:

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You'd know this Richman if you posted there more than once a week!

Irrelevant.

Thanks for admitting my claim about your light participation in RAHE
is true.

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Exhibit 6:

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I haven't "gagged" at the thought of trying Spectralab, Mr. Krueger.
I was recommending inexpensive FFT-based analysis tools to Carl Valle.

To[sic] bad your recommendation wouldn't work as you made it. Also,
thanks for admitting it.


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Exhibit 7:

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I know that any English above the 3rd grade level is difficult for
you. Maybe you can get one of your kids to explain it to you.

Weil, thanks for admitting by means of insult, that not even you
can't make sense of what you wrote.

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Exhibit 8:

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It certainly appears that way from a posting of his today as a
follow up. In any event, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Mr. Lyle, thanks for admitting that losing sleep over your own
demonstrated incompetence is not what you do. That's one reason why
you remain incompetent...

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Exhibit 9:

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No, Krüger, it doesn't work like that. Your claim, your proof. Provide an
example of your "evidence" or your claim falls - as it has done over and
over again previously.

Thanks for admitting that for you Mr. Bamborough, "evidence" is a
moving target.


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Exhibit 10:

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As for the question about CU's use of science to evaluate audio
equipment, I don't know since I didn't read Consumer Reports' audio
equipment reviews. But if its past auto reviews are any indication,
I don't think I will be impressed with their audio equipment reviews.

[...]
However, thanks for admitting that in fact you have zero experience
with CU audio equipment reports to base your comments on.


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Exhibit 11:

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Well, you are a lot more and a lot worse than threatening.

Thanks for admitting that I've taken quite a few figurative licks on
you, sockpuppet Yustabe.


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Exhibit 12:

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Yet you're still sitting at
the breakfast table in your underwear, eating cereal, and playing on the
computer. Nice visual, loser. LOL!

Hey Mr. Phillips, it's a living. Thanks for admitting how endlessly
rigid, narrow, bigoted and prejudiced you are. I'm sure that you've
impressed the heck out of everybody else here, especially those who
make their living by working with computers.

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Exhibit 13:

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It just keeps getting worse and worse for you, Arny. I haven't the
slightest idea why you don't just ignore me completely. I guess you
like getting ****ed up the ass figuratively.

Thanks for admitting that you are obsessed with sodomy, Phillips. Do
you do this with your spouse, or just people you pick up?

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In case you still don't get the point, Google found "about 106" posts
in which Krooger thanks people for "admitting" things they never said.

Do I have to quote a bunch of posts in which Krooger says "Can I quote
you...." ?