[Mr Soul]

PS - You ignorant yankee. I felt the urge to see what your website
might be and what do you think I found. Your phone number and email
address are on your web page for public record. I think I will post it
all over just to shut you the hell up. If you post it for public, you
can't claim damages if someone knows it. You are the most ignorant son
of a bitch I think I've run across in years. Go ahead and sue me
pricky boy. I'll laugh my ass off when you get to pay the malicious
lawsuit charges. Lame website btw
You're an idiot. I never said that information wasn't public. That's
how you got the information when you threatened to sue me before.

In order for me to sue you, Craig's List would need to verify that it
was indeed you that has been submitting these ads and they haven't
done that. But I know it was you becuase the first one occurred the
day you brought the gay issue again.

Mike C

[Danny T]

On Jan 27, 3:26*pm, Mr Soul wrote:
PS - You ignorant yankee. I felt the urge to see what your website
might be and what do you think I found. Your phone number and email
address are on your web page for public record. I think I will post it
all over just to shut you the hell up. If you post it for public, you
can't claim damages if someone knows it. You are the most ignorant son
of a bitch I think I've run across in years. Go ahead and sue me
pricky boy. I'll laugh my ass off when you get to pay the malicious
lawsuit charges. Lame website btw

You're an idiot. *I never said that information wasn't public. *That's
how you got the information when you threatened to sue me before.

In order for me to sue you, Craig's List would need to verify that it
was indeed you that has been submitting these ads and they haven't
done that. *But I know it was you becuase the first one occurred the
day you brought the gay issue again.

Mike C

Right Mikie, No one else here thinks you're a prick and I'm the only
one that might have done that to you.

[Mr Soul]

You unstable little worm. Can't you just go away. I don't spend time
on you. Sorry but you are not significant in my life.
You just started doing Trop Rock a couple of years ago and you know
it. Ifyou call "The Lost Isle of Santocia" Trop Rock then you're
crazy (but we've established that). That album is a bunch of cheezy,
MIDI tracks with no vocals. Plus, you just released that in CD in
2009 (even though it was from an earlier period). "On the Island" is
Trop Rock but that was released in 2010. Before all this you did a
bunch of cheezy, MIDI Christmas music and you probably did that just
to make a buck.

You also claim to be a keyboardist yet I've never heard anything but
MIDI from you. On top of that you released a CD called "I Play
Guitar" - how lame is that?

You also claim to have been in the Toyes but I establish that you lied
about that as well.

As for my web site, I agree with you - it could be improved a lot but
I don't pay anything for it and I put it together myself. Musicians
tend to use Facebook these days anyways.

Mike C

[Mr Soul]

Right Mikie, No one else here thinks you're a prick and I'm the only
one that might have done that to you.- Hide quoted text -
You praticularly admitted to it right in this thread. Go back and
read what you said right when Jenn asked you to stop bashing gays.
Yes - I think that you are the only person who had the motive and are
immature enough to do such a think.

The same people who think I am a prink, think you are a prick as well.

[Danny T]

ture enough to do such a think.

The same people who think I am a prink, think you are a prick as well.

Probably not

[Mr Soul]

Probably not
Actually you're right - I'd be willing to bet that people think that
you are a prick.

[Bill Graham]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Bill Graham wrote:
I don't care whether the people that are
harrassing our local pizza parlor are called ASCAP. or BMI, or the
mob. They are serving the same function as a bunch of Hitler's
brownshirts, only they lobbied laws on the books to let them do it
legally. The effect is the same, IMO. I used to walk down the street
whisteling a happy tune. Today, if I do that, some lawyer will jump
out of a storefront and sue me for enjoying Irving Berlin's music
without paying Hal Leonard (or somebody other than Irving) for it.
And that's a shame. And don't tell me that they are just collecting
for the Berlin estate. They are collecting for themselves, and I
know it. So should you.

An awful lot of people I know get royalties through ASCAP and BMI, so
I don't think they are "collecting for themselves."

If your issue is, in fact, that these materials should be in the
public domain, then you should write your congressman and demand the
repeal of the horrible Millennium Copyright Act, railroaded through
by Disney with the assistance of Sonny Bono.
--scott

Yeah....That is, probably, my issue. I think the time before those materials
go to the public domain should be a lot shorter than it is now. I certainly
don't mind the composers getting paid for them all of their lives, and the
lives of their widows. But, I believe that at some time shortly after that,
their stuff should go into the public domain and not be purchased by third
parties. Who hasstle the local Pizza houses and bars whenever they hire or
host a piano player or small group to perform songs at random. It would be
different if somebody made thousands of CD's of the music and sold them to
the public. But the practice of hasstling nobody's for playing the music in
bistros and Saturday markets and the like is pretty rotten.

[Bill Graham]

Rick Ruskin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:07:39 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Rick Ruskin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:07:02 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

wrote:
On 2011-01-25 (hankalrich) said:
Bill Graham wrote:
big snip
brownshirts, they go around threatening pub and pizza place
owners whenever groups like mine are playing music there, so
the owners have to tell us to not come back. I often wonder
just how much money goes from Hal Leonard into the pockets of
the people who really created that music. I bet its not very
much. My sympathy doesn't go out to the wheeler dealers who
just push paperwork for a living...... If you knew anything
about the music publishing business you wouldn't wonder that.
You'd know that the standard composer/publisher split is 50/50,
and that Hal Leonard is a music publshing house, and not a
performance royalties collection agency.
INdeed, there are others the pizza place might have heard
from, but don't think it would be Hal LEonard. AScap or BMI
maybe.

So if Hal Leonard hires somebody else to do his police work for
him, then that lets him off the hook? I don't care whether the
people that are harrassing our local pizza parlor are called
ASCAP. or BMI, or the mob. They are serving the same function as a
bunch of Hitler's brownshirts, only they lobbied laws on the books
to let them do it legally. The effect is the same, IMO. I used to
walk down the street whisteling a happy tune. Today, if I do that,
some lawyer will jump out of a storefront and sue me for enjoying
Irving Berlin's music without paying Hal Leonard (or somebody
other than Irving) for it. And that's a shame. And don't tell me
that they are just collecting for the Berlin estate. They are
collecting for themselves, and I know it. So should you.

BULL****!

1. Nobody is going to bust you for whistling a tune while walking
down the street.

2. If the Pizza parlor you perform at want's to present copyright
protected music, they are supposed to pay the licensing fee for the
privilege. If you don't like it, write your own music and allow its
use for free.

3. You are an idiot making things up and as you go along to justify
your position. As I stated before, the only one using Nazi tactics
is you
.
The ones making money from. "Other Peoples Music" are those who
copyrighted it back in the 60's when the original composers were
dead and gone. People like Hal Leonard, who never composed anything
in his life. If you are happy with that, then pay, pay, and pay
again whenever you play anything in public.

So because YOU don't like the current owner of a given copyright, you
feel you have the right to pirate the work(s). What a guy! What and
idiot! Unfortunately, you are just too dumb to be called a perfect
asshole.


Rick Ruskin
Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA
http://liondogmusic.com
http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin

I have said several times now that I haven't stolen any music from anybody,
so you have just earned yourself a cozy spot in my killfile. Not for
carrying on any kind of reasonable discussion of what is to me a very
interesting subject, but for being, in fact, a, "perfect asshole" yourself.

[Bill Graham]

Danny T wrote:
On Jan 26, 6:07 pm, "Bill Graham" wrote:
Rick Ruskin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:07:02 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

wrote:
On 2011-01-25 (hankalrich) said:
Bill Graham wrote:
big snip
brownshirts, they go around threatening pub and pizza place
owners whenever groups like mine are playing music there, so
the owners have to tell us to not come back. I often wonder
just how much money goes from Hal Leonard into the pockets of
the people who really created that music. I bet its not very
much. My sympathy doesn't go out to the wheeler dealers who
just push paperwork for a living...... If you knew anything
about the music publishing business you wouldn't wonder that.
You'd know that the standard composer/publisher split is 50/50,
and that Hal Leonard is a music publshing house, and not a
performance royalties collection agency.
INdeed, there are others the pizza place might have heard
from, but don't think it would be Hal LEonard. AScap or BMI
maybe.

So if Hal Leonard hires somebody else to do his police work for
him, then that lets him off the hook? I don't care whether the
people that are harrassing our local pizza parlor are called
ASCAP. or BMI, or the mob. They are serving the same function as a
bunch of Hitler's brownshirts, only they lobbied laws on the books
to let them do it legally. The effect is the same, IMO. I used to
walk down the street whisteling a happy tune. Today, if I do that,
some lawyer will jump out of a storefront and sue me for enjoying
Irving Berlin's music without paying Hal Leonard (or somebody
other than Irving) for it. And that's a shame. And don't tell me
that they are just collecting for the Berlin estate. They are
collecting for themselves, and I know it. So should you.

BULL****!

1. Nobody is going to bust you for whistling a tune while walking
down the street.

2. If the Pizza parlor you perform at want's to present copyright
protected music, they are supposed to pay the licensing fee for the
privilege. If you don't like it, write your own music and allow its
use for free.

3. You are an idiot making things up and as you go along to justify
your position. As I stated before, the only one using Nazi tactics
is you

.
The ones making money from. "Other Peoples Music" are those who
copyrighted it back in the 60's when the original composers were
dead and gone. People like Hal Leonard, who never composed anything
in his life. If you are happy with that, then pay, pay, and pay
again whenever you play anything in public.

The death of author date rule always applies. Many publishers tried to
copyright other peoples music. They premise was original arrangement.
I've got dozens of original arrangement type copyrights and they don't
say that is what the copyright it. If something was written before
1927 - it is public domain. If it was written after that, it is
subject to authors death dates

Yes. And there has been a hell of a lot of wonderful tunes written between
1927 and 1957. Why should people like Hal Leonard be collecting money from
those of us who love to play those tunes? When small groups play in a pizza
house or bistro, and somebody asks them to play a tune, the groups have to
look up whether or not it was written before 1927 in order to play it or
not. This is ridiculous.

[Bill Graham]

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bill Graham" wrote in message

.
The ones making money from. "Other Peoples Music" are
those who copyrighted it back in the 60's when the
original composers were dead and gone.

Interesting claim. I suspect that there are legal ways to do
something that is similar to what you are saying. I suspect that you
are not revealing all of the relevant details.

People like Hal Leonard, who never composed anything in his life.

Owning music without ever composing it is perfectly legal.

If you are happy with that, then pay, pay, and pay again
whenever you play anything in public.

That's the high price of benefitting from other people's IP. They
may be safeguarding it, and they may choose to assert their property
rights.

They do. Our local dixieland group has been stifled from playing at the
local pizza house once a month because BMI wants $1500 from the owner. (some
of the tunes were written after 1927). This is ridiculous. The only extra
customers he gets on those nights are a bussload of senior citizens from one
of the local senior residence clubs. - So, he sells maybe a dozen more
pizzas than usual on those nights.

[Bill Graham]

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Danny T" wrote in message


The death of author date rule always applies. Many
publishers tried to copyright other peoples music. They
premise was original arrangement. I've got dozens of
original arrangement type copyrights and they don't say
that is what the copyright it. If something was written
before 1927 - it is public domain. If it was written
after that, it is subject to authors death dates

There appears to be no "death rule" at all in the US and many other
countries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries'_copyright_length

The copyright's clock in the US and many other places appears to start
ticking when the music is published.

Yes. And you have to have a copy of the published music with a date before
1927 on it, or they can sue you for copyright infringement. Most of the
dixieland tunes they play aren't even played from written music, but just
from memory. I have taken to frequenting all the local second hand stores
and searching through the printed music for titles earlier than 1927.

[Bill Graham]

Rick Ruskin wrote:
3. You are an idiot making things up and as you go along to justify
your position. As I stated before, the only one using Nazi tactics
is you.


Rick Ruskin
Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA
http://liondogmusic.com
http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin

I thought I killfiled you....Oh, I guess you wrote this one before
1927....Sorry about that.....

[Bill Graham]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Danny T" wrote in message


The death of author date rule always applies. Many
publishers tried to copyright other peoples music. They
premise was original arrangement. I've got dozens of
original arrangement type copyrights and they don't say
that is what the copyright it. If something was written
before 1927 - it is public domain. If it was written
after that, it is subject to authors death dates

There appears to be no "death rule" at all in the US and many other
countries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries'_copyright_length

The copyright's clock in the US and many other places appears to
start ticking when the music is published.

Right. The "death rule" is a British Commonwealth thing and for a
long time it meant British copyrights would frequently outlast
American ones, and it made for real trouble in tracking down whether
something was in the public domain. For example, Kipling's poetry is
all still under copyright.

BUT... since the radical extension of the terms of copyright in the
US in
the late 20th century, the US copyrights have become extended as
well. Every time Steamboat Willie is about to fall into the public
domain, somehow the Disney representatives in Congress manage to
extend the terms of the copyright. It's now just as hard to figure
out the status of a US copyright as a British one, and some of them
last even longer. --scott

I like the "death" rule. Except I would extend it to the widow's death also.
But the kids would have to do their own composing.

[hank alrich]

Bill Graham wrote:

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Danny T" wrote in message


The death of author date rule always applies. Many
publishers tried to copyright other peoples music. They
premise was original arrangement. I've got dozens of
original arrangement type copyrights and they don't say
that is what the copyright it. If something was written
before 1927 - it is public domain. If it was written
after that, it is subject to authors death dates

There appears to be no "death rule" at all in the US and many other
countries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries'_copyright_length

The copyright's clock in the US and many other places appears to
start ticking when the music is published.

Right. The "death rule" is a British Commonwealth thing and for a
long time it meant British copyrights would frequently outlast
American ones, and it made for real trouble in tracking down whether
something was in the public domain. For example, Kipling's poetry is
all still under copyright.

BUT... since the radical extension of the terms of copyright in the
US in
the late 20th century, the US copyrights have become extended as
well. Every time Steamboat Willie is about to fall into the public
domain, somehow the Disney representatives in Congress manage to
extend the terms of the copyright. It's now just as hard to figure
out the status of a US copyright as a British one, and some of them
last even longer. --scott

I like the "death" rule.

Why?

Except I would extend it to the widow's death also.
But the kids would have to do their own composing.

Should that apply to all estates, or only to those of composers?

--
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http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.html
http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman

[hank alrich]

Bill Graham wrote:

Yes. And you have to have a copy of the published music with a date before
1927 on it, or they can sue you for copyright infringement.

Man, you sure are consistent. Consistently wrong.

These broad generalizations don't work so well in a complex business.

--
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http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.html
http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman

[hank alrich]

Bill Graham wrote:

Danny T wrote:
On Jan 26, 6:07 pm, "Bill Graham" wrote:
Rick Ruskin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:07:02 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

wrote:
On 2011-01-25 (hankalrich) said:
Bill Graham wrote:
big snip
brownshirts, they go around threatening pub and pizza place
owners whenever groups like mine are playing music there, so
the owners have to tell us to not come back. I often wonder
just how much money goes from Hal Leonard into the pockets of
the people who really created that music. I bet its not very
much. My sympathy doesn't go out to the wheeler dealers who
just push paperwork for a living...... If you knew anything
about the music publishing business you wouldn't wonder that.
You'd know that the standard composer/publisher split is 50/50,
and that Hal Leonard is a music publshing house, and not a
performance royalties collection agency.
INdeed, there are others the pizza place might have heard
from, but don't think it would be Hal LEonard. AScap or BMI
maybe.

So if Hal Leonard hires somebody else to do his police work for
him, then that lets him off the hook? I don't care whether the
people that are harrassing our local pizza parlor are called
ASCAP. or BMI, or the mob. They are serving the same function as a
bunch of Hitler's brownshirts, only they lobbied laws on the books
to let them do it legally. The effect is the same, IMO. I used to
walk down the street whisteling a happy tune. Today, if I do that,
some lawyer will jump out of a storefront and sue me for enjoying
Irving Berlin's music without paying Hal Leonard (or somebody
other than Irving) for it. And that's a shame. And don't tell me
that they are just collecting for the Berlin estate. They are
collecting for themselves, and I know it. So should you.

BULL****!

1. Nobody is going to bust you for whistling a tune while walking
down the street.

2. If the Pizza parlor you perform at want's to present copyright
protected music, they are supposed to pay the licensing fee for the
privilege. If you don't like it, write your own music and allow its
use for free.

3. You are an idiot making things up and as you go along to justify
your position. As I stated before, the only one using Nazi tactics
is you

.
The ones making money from. "Other Peoples Music" are those who
copyrighted it back in the 60's when the original composers were
dead and gone. People like Hal Leonard, who never composed anything
in his life. If you are happy with that, then pay, pay, and pay
again whenever you play anything in public.

The death of author date rule always applies. Many publishers tried to
copyright other peoples music. They premise was original arrangement.
I've got dozens of original arrangement type copyrights and they don't
say that is what the copyright it. If something was written before
1927 - it is public domain. If it was written after that, it is
subject to authors death dates

Yes. And there has been a hell of a lot of wonderful tunes written between
1927 and 1957. Why should people like Hal Leonard be collecting money from
those of us who love to play those tunes?

Because Hal Leonard is the designated publisher for a lot of music, and
the company's job is to collect on behalf of the composer.

When small groups play in a pizza
house or bistro, and somebody asks them to play a tune, the groups have to
look up whether or not it was written before 1927 in order to play it or
not. This is ridiculous.

No, it is not. Either musicians are willing to compensate other
musicians for the use of work, or they can write their own music.

Again, given your "viewpoints" here, there is no earthly reason you
should have collected any money for your engineering chops.

--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.html
http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman

[hank alrich]

Bill Graham wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bill Graham" wrote in message

.
The ones making money from. "Other Peoples Music" are
those who copyrighted it back in the 60's when the
original composers were dead and gone.

Interesting claim. I suspect that there are legal ways to do
something that is similar to what you are saying. I suspect that you
are not revealing all of the relevant details.

People like Hal Leonard, who never composed anything in his life.

Owning music without ever composing it is perfectly legal.

If you are happy with that, then pay, pay, and pay again
whenever you play anything in public.

That's the high price of benefitting from other people's IP. They
may be safeguarding it, and they may choose to assert their property
rights.

They do. Our local dixieland group has been stifled from playing at the
local pizza house once a month because BMI wants $1500 from the owner. (some
of the tunes were written after 1927). This is ridiculous. The only extra
customers he gets on those nights are a bussload of senior citizens from one
of the local senior residence clubs. - So, he sells maybe a dozen more
pizzas than usual on those nights.

The PRO's come with an opening offfer. It is the pizza joint's
opportunity to make a conter offer, and in one takes the little amount
of time to learn the parameters, much lower rates are negotiable.

Your pizza joint doesn't want to go tho that much trouble.
--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.html
http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman

[Danny T]

On Jan 28, 10:43*am, (hank alrich) wrote:
Bill Graham wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bill Graham" wrote in message
m
.
The ones making money from. "Other Peoples Music" are
those who copyrighted it back in the 60's when the
original composers were dead and gone.

Interesting claim. I suspect that there are legal ways to do
something that is similar to what you are saying. I suspect that you
are not revealing all of the relevant details.

*People like Hal Leonard, who never composed anything in his life.

Owning music without ever composing it is perfectly legal.

If you are happy with that, then pay, pay, and pay again
whenever you play anything in public.

That's the high price of benefitting from other people's IP. *They
may be safeguarding it, and they may choose to assert their property
rights.

They do. Our local dixieland group has been stifled from playing at the
local pizza house once a month because BMI wants $1500 from the owner. (some
of the tunes were written after 1927). This is ridiculous. The only extra
customers he gets on those nights are a bussload of senior citizens from one
of the local senior residence clubs. - So, he sells maybe a dozen more
pizzas than usual on those nights.

The PRO's come with an opening offfer. It is the pizza joint's
opportunity to make a conter offer, and in one takes the little amount
of time to learn the parameters, much lower rates are negotiable.

Your pizza joint doesn't want to go tho that much trouble.
--
shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.htmlhttp://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidriAlrichwithDougHarman

The pizza joint is trying to use the same argument as the downloaders.
They want to have a business that makes money, in part, from someone
else's creativity and work. They don't want to pay the artists. If a
pizza joint or any other business wants wants music and doesn't want
to pay a licensing fee, all they have to do is to hire an all original
band. Then they don't need a bloody license - so no matter what way
you look at it, its someone trying to get something for free and for
the purpose of making more money for them self. ....... Square one

[Les Cargill[_2_]]

Danny T wrote:
On Jan 28, 10:43 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
Bill wrote:
snip

The pizza joint is trying to use the same argument as the downloaders.
They want to have a business that makes money, in part, from someone
else's creativity and work.

I bet they don't pay any IP on the recipe for pizza, either.

They don't want to pay the artists. If a
pizza joint or any other business wants wants music and doesn't want
to pay a licensing fee, all they have to do is to hire an all original
band. Then they don't need a bloody license - so no matter what way
you look at it, its someone trying to get something for free and for
the purpose of making more money for them self. ....... Square one

--
Les Cargill

[Scott Dorsey]

Les Cargill wrote:
Danny T wrote:
On Jan 28, 10:43 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
Bill wrote:
snip

The pizza joint is trying to use the same argument as the downloaders.
They want to have a business that makes money, in part, from someone
else's creativity and work.

I bet they don't pay any IP on the recipe for pizza, either.

Nobody does, that's why real neapolitan-style pizza places keep their
recipe secret. And their yeast culture too.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Danny T]

On Jan 28, 5:29*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Les Cargill wrote:

Danny T wrote:
On Jan 28, 10:43 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
Bill *wrote:
snip

The pizza joint is trying to use the same argument as the downloaders.
They want to have a business that makes money, in part, from someone
else's creativity and work.

I bet they don't pay any IP on the recipe for pizza, either.

Nobody does, that's why real neapolitan-style pizza places keep their
recipe secret. *And their yeast culture too.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

really? I never thought to think about that

[Bill Graham]

Danny T wrote:
On Jan 28, 10:43 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
Bill Graham wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bill Graham" wrote in message

.
The ones making money from. "Other Peoples Music" are
those who copyrighted it back in the 60's when the
original composers were dead and gone.

Interesting claim. I suspect that there are legal ways to do
something that is similar to what you are saying. I suspect that
you are not revealing all of the relevant details.

People like Hal Leonard, who never composed anything in his life.

Owning music without ever composing it is perfectly legal.

If you are happy with that, then pay, pay, and pay again
whenever you play anything in public.

That's the high price of benefitting from other people's IP. They
may be safeguarding it, and they may choose to assert their
property rights.

They do. Our local dixieland group has been stifled from playing at
the local pizza house once a month because BMI wants $1500 from the
owner. (some of the tunes were written after 1927). This is
ridiculous. The only extra customers he gets on those nights are a
bussload of senior citizens from one of the local senior residence
clubs. - So, he sells maybe a dozen more pizzas than usual on those
nights.

The PRO's come with an opening offfer. It is the pizza joint's
opportunity to make a conter offer, and in one takes the little
amount
of time to learn the parameters, much lower rates are negotiable.

Your pizza joint doesn't want to go tho that much trouble.
--
shut up and play your guitar
*http://hankalrich.com/http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.htmlhttp://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidriAlrichwithDougHarman

The pizza joint is trying to use the same argument as the downloaders.
They want to have a business that makes money, in part, from someone
else's creativity and work. They don't want to pay the artists. If a
pizza joint or any other business wants wants music and doesn't want
to pay a licensing fee, all they have to do is to hire an all original
band. Then they don't need a bloody license - so no matter what way
you look at it, its someone trying to get something for free and for
the purpose of making more money for them self. ....... Square one

If they were "payijng the artists" I would have no argument with you. But
the artists are long since dead and gone. They are paying the lawyers who
copyrighted the music after the artists had died. This annoys me. I know
they do it legally. Its the law that I do not like, so I complain about it.
What's wrong with that? There are lots of laws I don't like. Most of them
were put on the books by congressmen who are in the pockets of lobbiests. I
think that is what's wrong with the copyright laws. A bunch of lobbiests
have bought off our congressmen to make laws in restraint of trade....So
what else is new?

[Bill Graham]

Les Cargill wrote:
Danny T wrote:
On Jan 28, 10:43 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
Bill wrote:
snip

The pizza joint is trying to use the same argument as the
downloaders. They want to have a business that makes money, in part,
from someone else's creativity and work.

I bet they don't pay any IP on the recipe for pizza, either.

They don't want to pay the artists. If a
pizza joint or any other business wants wants music and doesn't want
to pay a licensing fee, all they have to do is to hire an all
original band. Then they don't need a bloody license - so no matter
what way you look at it, its someone trying to get something for
free and for the purpose of making more money for them self. .......
Square one

If they were "payijng the artists" I would have no argument with you. But
the artists are long since dead and gone. They are paying the lawyers who
copyrighted the music after the artists had died. This annoys me. I know
they do it legally. Its the law that I do not like, so I complain about it.
What's wrong with that? There are lots of laws I don't like. Most of them
were put on the books by congressmen who are in the pockets of lobbiests. I
think that is what's wrong with the copyright laws. A bunch of lobbiests
have bought off our congressmen to make laws in restraint of trade....So
what else is new?

[hank alrich]

Bill Graham wrote:

Les Cargill wrote:
Danny T wrote:
On Jan 28, 10:43 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
Bill wrote:
snip

The pizza joint is trying to use the same argument as the
downloaders. They want to have a business that makes money, in part,
from someone else's creativity and work.

I bet they don't pay any IP on the recipe for pizza, either.

They don't want to pay the artists. If a
pizza joint or any other business wants wants music and doesn't want
to pay a licensing fee, all they have to do is to hire an all
original band. Then they don't need a bloody license - so no matter
what way you look at it, its someone trying to get something for
free and for the purpose of making more money for them self. .......
Square one

If they were "payijng the artists" I would have no argument with you. But
the artists are long since dead and gone. They are paying the lawyers who
copyrighted the music after the artists had died. This annoys me. I know
they do it legally. Its the law that I do not like, so I complain about it.
What's wrong with that? There are lots of laws I don't like. Most of them
were put on the books by congressmen who are in the pockets of lobbiests. I
think that is what's wrong with the copyright laws. A bunch of lobbiests
have bought off our congressmen to make laws in restraint of trade....So
what else is new?

Geez, you remain ignorant. They are paying the designated live
performance royalties to the authorized collector, who then distributes
the money 50/50 publisher/composer (or composer's estate), minus a small
admin fee.

I don't understand your penchant for carrying on about things of which
you obviously know very little, or perhaps even nothing.

--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.html
http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman

[Rick Ruskin]

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:21:24 -0800, (hank alrich)
wrote:

Bill Graham wrote:

Les Cargill wrote:
Danny T wrote:
On Jan 28, 10:43 am, (hank alrich) wrote:
Bill wrote:
snip

The pizza joint is trying to use the same argument as the
downloaders. They want to have a business that makes money, in part,
from someone else's creativity and work.

I bet they don't pay any IP on the recipe for pizza, either.

They don't want to pay the artists. If a
pizza joint or any other business wants wants music and doesn't want
to pay a licensing fee, all they have to do is to hire an all
original band. Then they don't need a bloody license - so no matter
what way you look at it, its someone trying to get something for
free and for the purpose of making more money for them self. .......
Square one

If they were "payijng the artists" I would have no argument with you. But
the artists are long since dead and gone. They are paying the lawyers who
copyrighted the music after the artists had died. This annoys me. I know
they do it legally. Its the law that I do not like, so I complain about it.
What's wrong with that? There are lots of laws I don't like. Most of them
were put on the books by congressmen who are in the pockets of lobbiests. I
think that is what's wrong with the copyright laws. A bunch of lobbiests
have bought off our congressmen to make laws in restraint of trade....So
what else is new?

Geez, you remain ignorant. They are paying the designated live
performance royalties to the authorized collector, who then distributes
the money 50/50 publisher/composer (or composer's estate), minus a small
admin fee.

I don't understand your penchant for carrying on about things of which
you obviously know very little, or perhaps even nothing.


Bill Graham: A breathing fence post. It's pointless to debate
anything with him.
Rick Ruskin
Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA
http://liondogmusic.com
http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin

[Ty Ford]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:36:02 -0500, Danny T wrote
(in article
):

Owning music without ever composing it is perfectly legal.

If you are happy with that, then pay, pay, and pay again
whenever you play anything in public.

Shut up and write your OWN music. Riding on the backs of composers who
actually make it is like downloading for free, at their expense.

Regards,

Ty Ford


--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA

[The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker.]

"Danny T" wrote in message
...


First of all, I'm fairly well off because I work for a living

bull****. your daddy gave you all your money, you patheticf lying sack of
****. your big fat DuPont chemical daddy's money buys you a whole lot of
sailing boat, doesn't it, dummy t?

but hey, enough of that.........please tell us again how you were a MD for
james brown........


that's a ****ing crack up!! roflol!

[The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker.]

"Danny T" wrote in message
...

PS - You ignorant yankee. I felt the urge to see what your website
might be and what do you think I found. Your phone number and email
address are on your web page for public record. I think I will post it
all over just to shut you the hell up.

Thanks for admitting, in public, on the internet, that you are a ****ing
deranged stalker, ****head.


ROFLOL!

[The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker.]

"Danny T" wrote in message
...
On Jan 25, 6:31 pm, Mr Soul wrote:
Don't blame me for some gag - if it happened. First of all, I don't
have your phone number to list if I wanted to. Second, if I did have
it I'd be more clever then to help you hook up with something you
might like.

You lie again. You have my phone #, email and address. You would
have the motive to post such as an ad and it showed up right after you
brought up the gay bit again. And you sure pulled the ad down quickly
because it's gone now. BTW - I was contacted by Clint Powell of
Craig's List and he didn't waste anytime contacting me.

I stayed out of the recent tirade you started with the other guys
here, until I saw something that someone else wrote that I happened to
agree with.

there, not on me. - Yes I listed to the video you posted here. Happy?

And I listened to your XMas song and informed you politely that I
could download it, which is what you asked people to do. Happy?

Mike C

Mike - Where in the world would I get your phone number from? /

gee, i wonder .....


say, how about this?


"Danny T" wrote in message
...

PS - You ignorant yankee. I felt the urge to see what your website
might be and what do you think I found. Your phone number and email
address are on your web page for public record. I think I will post it
all over just to shut you the hell up.




Oh man, I'm gonna love what's gonna happen to you.!!! LOLOLOLOLZ!!

[The Real Sid]

On Feb 13, 9:03*am, "The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker." The
Famous 3-chord Beer Hall wrote:
"Danny T" wrote in message

...

On Jan 25, 5:09 pm, Mr Soul wrote:
Bla bla bla bla bla

Craig's List has contacted me already and the ad that you ran has been
removed. *I am trying to determine if they will provide me information
that I can use to pursue this legally. *You cross the line when you
post false ad's about me being gay and you list my number, email &
phone #.

Mike C

Don't blame me for some gag - if it happened. First of all, I don't
have your phone number to list if I wanted to.

ummm, sorry asshole, you are on record as saying that you DO have it...read
it and weep ,idiot........

"Danny T" wrote in message

...



On Jan 27, 7:33 am, Mr Soul wrote:
From Jan 15 of 1993 to Aug 30 of 1997 I was in the Caribbean on my
sailboat on vacation. What type of music do you think I was writing
during that time? Do you think I was writing about appellation whiskey
or sailing?- Hide quoted text -

I have no idea what you were doing but you definitely didn't start
talking about Trop Rock until recently. *Also, your discography
doesn't back up your claim either. *The whole time I've known you,
you've been on vacation so what is different about that?

The harassing ad has now come back & I've once again reported it (and
you) to Craigslist -http://nh.craigslist.org/muc/2178077973.html.
Your adolescent immaturity overwhelms me.

Mike C

PS - You ignorant yankee. I felt the urge to see what your website
might be and what do you think I found. Your phone number and email
address are on your web page for public record. I think I will post it
all over just to shut you the hell up.

Oh man, I'm gonna love what's gonna happen to you.!!! * LOLOLOLOLZ!!

OOO Nicky!!.....I just love you when you get so drunk, crazy and mad!!

[The Real Sid]

On Feb 13, 9:03*am, "The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker." The
Famous 3-chord Beer Hall wrote:
"Danny T" wrote in message

...

On Jan 25, 5:09 pm, Mr Soul wrote:
Bla bla bla bla bla

Craig's List has contacted me already and the ad that you ran has been
removed. *I am trying to determine if they will provide me information
that I can use to pursue this legally. *You cross the line when you
post false ad's about me being gay and you list my number, email &
phone #.

Mike C

Don't blame me for some gag - if it happened. First of all, I don't
have your phone number to list if I wanted to.

ummm, sorry asshole, you are on record as saying that you DO have it...read
it and weep ,idiot........

"Danny T" wrote in message

...



On Jan 27, 7:33 am, Mr Soul wrote:
From Jan 15 of 1993 to Aug 30 of 1997 I was in the Caribbean on my
sailboat on vacation. What type of music do you think I was writing
during that time? Do you think I was writing about appellation whiskey
or sailing?- Hide quoted text -

I have no idea what you were doing but you definitely didn't start
talking about Trop Rock until recently. *Also, your discography
doesn't back up your claim either. *The whole time I've known you,
you've been on vacation so what is different about that?

The harassing ad has now come back & I've once again reported it (and
you) to Craigslist -http://nh.craigslist.org/muc/2178077973.html.
Your adolescent immaturity overwhelms me.

Mike C

PS - You ignorant yankee. I felt the urge to see what your website
might be and what do you think I found. Your phone number and email
address are on your web page for public record. I think I will post it
all over just to shut you the hell up.

Oh man, I'm gonna love what's gonna happen to you.!!! * LOLOLOLOLZ!!

This piece of cross posting bull**** was provided by Nick Andrews.
More info at
http://faqlupus.com/lupus/unconfirme...s-2374480.html

[SotR[_2_]]

On Feb 13, 5:53*am, "The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker." The
Famous 3-chord Beer Hall wrote:
"Danny T" wrote in message

...



First of all, I'm fairly well off because I work for a living

bull****. *your daddy gave you all your money, you patheticf lying sack of
****. your big fat DuPont chemical daddy's money buys you a whole lot of
sailing boat, doesn't it, dummy t?

but hey, enough of that.........please tell us again how you were a MD for
james brown........

that's a ****ing crack up!! * * roflol!

Sounds like someone is a jealous little twit.
George L.

[[email protected]]

THe trouble with this thread is that nobody in rec.audio.pro
really gives a rat's ass about this childish bull****.
Please edit the newsgroups line if you must reply to this
drivel. SOme of us find mister 3 chord as tiring as we do
DAnny.

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

wrote:

THe trouble with this

plonk

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

SotR wrote:

Sounds like someone is

plonk

[The Real Sid]

On Feb 13, 10:59*pm, SotR wrote:
On Feb 13, 5:53*am, "The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker." The
Famous 3-chord Beer Hall wrote:



"Danny T" wrote in message

...

First of all, I'm fairly well off because I work for a living

bull****. *your daddy gave you all your money, you patheticf lying sack of
****. your big fat DuPont chemical daddy's money buys you a whole lot of
sailing boat, doesn't it, dummy t?

but hey, enough of that.........please tell us again how you were a MD for
james brown........

that's a ****ing crack up!! * * roflol!

Sounds like someone is a jealous little twit.
George L.

The jealous little twit is Nick Andrews of Sydney Australia.

[Mr Soul]

Oh man, I'm gonna love what's gonna happen to you.!!! * LOLOLOLOLZ!!- Hide quoted text -
Unfortunately nothing is going to happen to him because Craig's List
basically didn't enforce their own policies. I reported the ad to
them and I told them that Danny probably and even though they did get
back to me, they basically didn't do anything. And it's not worth the
money & hastle I would endure for me to sue him.

Mike C

[Mr Soul]

Lastly, stop sniffing my butt. You little liberal creeps follow me
around hoping you can make a name for yourself by being a pain in the
ass to me. Do you really get your willies off doing this? If you want,
I'll send you a picture of me in a swim suit. It will be a lot easy
for you.
That's a lie. Nodoby follows you around because you aren't worth
following. The only reason I got involved with you is that you
solisticited me as a friend TWICE on facebook and and once on LinkedIn
(even though you deny ever having set up your LinkedIn account). I
won't make that mistake again.

Get a life Danny! The Wikipedia person who deleted the entry on you
said it best - you're not notable:

"This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page
are provided below for reference.

13:09, 13 February 2010 Tbsdy lives (talk | contribs) deleted "Danny
Taddei" €Ž (A7: Article about an eligible subject, which does not
indicate the importance or significance of the subject)
17:12, 19 March 2008 FisherQueen (talk | contribs) deleted "Danny
Taddei" €Ž (A7 (bio): Real person; doesn't indicate importance/
significance) "

[~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ Danny]

On Feb 18, 11:10Â*am, Mr Soul wrote:
Lastly, stop sniffing my butt. You little liberal creeps follow me
around hoping you can make a name for yourself by being a pain in the
ass to me. Do you really get your willies off doing this? If you want,
I'll send you a picture of me in a swim suit. It will be a lot easy
for you.

That's a lie. Â*Nodoby follows you around because you aren't worth
following. Â*The only reason I got involved with you is that you
solisticited me as a friend TWICE on facebook and and once on LinkedIn
(even though you deny ever having set up your LinkedIn account). Â*I
won't make that mistake again.

Get a life Danny! Â*The Wikipedia person who deleted the entry on you
said it best - you're not notable:

"This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page
are provided below for reference.

13:09, 13 February 2010 Tbsdy lives (talk | contribs) deleted "Danny
Taddei" €Ž (A7: Article about an eligible subject, which does not
indicate the importance or significance of the subject)
17:12, 19 March 2008 FisherQueen (talk | contribs) deleted "Danny
Taddei" €Ž (A7 (bio): Real person; doesn't indicate importance/
significance) "


You are the biggest idiot I have ever run across