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Which commercial super-tweeter should I consider for maximum treble
with maximum SPL?
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The old EV T350 is considered by many to be the best tweeter ever made. I have
a pair and I love them. They have big magnets and they are super efficient.They
can be too hot for some systems and will require an L-Pad or resistor to cut
them back. Problem is that their reputation has caused them to sell for up to
$900 a pair on E-Bay. The newer versions, ST350, sell for less because they
aren't "vintage" and they probably aren't quite as good. The EV T35's are OK
but have less output than the T350's. The old Altec 3000's and University
HF206's are nice and pretty efficient too, but they won't give as much SPL as
the T350's. For new tweeters, maybe TAD or Fostex?
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The old EV T350 is considered by many to be the best tweeter ever made. I have
a pair and I love them. They have big magnets and they are super efficient.They
can be too hot for some systems and will require an L-Pad or resistor to cut
them back. Problem is that their reputation has caused them to sell for up to
$900 a pair on E-Bay. The newer versions, ST350, sell for less because they
aren't "vintage" and they probably aren't quite as good. The EV T35's are OK
but have less output than the T350's. The old Altec 3000's and University
HF206's are nice and pretty efficient too, but they won't give as much SPL as
the T350's. For new tweeters, maybe TAD or Fostex?
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The old EV T350 is considered by many to be the best tweeter ever made. I have
a pair and I love them. They have big magnets and they are super efficient.They
can be too hot for some systems and will require an L-Pad or resistor to cut
them back. Problem is that their reputation has caused them to sell for up to
$900 a pair on E-Bay. The newer versions, ST350, sell for less because they
aren't "vintage" and they probably aren't quite as good. The EV T35's are OK
but have less output than the T350's. The old Altec 3000's and University
HF206's are nice and pretty efficient too, but they won't give as much SPL as
the T350's. For new tweeters, maybe TAD or Fostex?
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Curious wrote:

Which commercial super-tweeter should I consider for maximum treble
with maximum SPL?


If you by "super-tweeter" mean drivers that extend beyond 20 kHz, there
are very few to choose among. How about the SA 8535, also known as the
Ribbon Compact Driver ?
Data sheet:
http://www.wbvbeheer.nl/wbvportal/st...pdf.php?id=135

Stig Erik Tangen

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Curious wrote:

Which commercial super-tweeter should I consider for maximum treble
with maximum SPL?


If you by "super-tweeter" mean drivers that extend beyond 20 kHz, there
are very few to choose among. How about the SA 8535, also known as the
Ribbon Compact Driver ?
Data sheet:
http://www.wbvbeheer.nl/wbvportal/st...pdf.php?id=135

Stig Erik Tangen

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Curious wrote:

Which commercial super-tweeter should I consider for maximum treble
with maximum SPL?


If you by "super-tweeter" mean drivers that extend beyond 20 kHz, there
are very few to choose among. How about the SA 8535, also known as the
Ribbon Compact Driver ?
Data sheet:
http://www.wbvbeheer.nl/wbvportal/st...pdf.php?id=135

Stig Erik Tangen

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Peter Larsen wrote in message ...
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What is the frequency response


Unlinear.


What is the the highest frequency it can play?
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Peter Larsen wrote in message ...
Curious wrote:

What is the frequency response


Unlinear.


What is the the highest frequency it can play?


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Peter Larsen wrote in message ...
Curious wrote:

What is the frequency response


Unlinear.


What is the the highest frequency it can play?
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Curious wrote:

Peter Larsen wrote in message ...


Curious wrote:


What is the frequency response


Unlinear.


What is the the highest frequency it can play?


At what conversion efficiency? - loudspeaker units generally have their
usable frequency response within a 10 dB "frame", but they don't just
stop doing sound as they "leave their specs". Consequently when asked in
an undefined kind of way the question gets meaningless. We are however
talking about a horn driver, and it is unlikely to have usable response
for more than 4 octaves, and to get maximum efficiency in the audible
treble some of that response could be "sold off" by moving the resonance
of the front chamber into the audible range. If so - and please
understand that no claim of technical accuracy is made, this is
explained in an illustrative way - then it is likely that its _useful
response_ would end no higher than 24 kHz.

No absolute statement of any kind is made in this post, the actual specs
of whatever treble driver this was about are unknown to me.

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Curious wrote:

Peter Larsen wrote in message ...


Curious wrote:


What is the frequency response


Unlinear.


What is the the highest frequency it can play?


At what conversion efficiency? - loudspeaker units generally have their
usable frequency response within a 10 dB "frame", but they don't just
stop doing sound as they "leave their specs". Consequently when asked in
an undefined kind of way the question gets meaningless. We are however
talking about a horn driver, and it is unlikely to have usable response
for more than 4 octaves, and to get maximum efficiency in the audible
treble some of that response could be "sold off" by moving the resonance
of the front chamber into the audible range. If so - and please
understand that no claim of technical accuracy is made, this is
explained in an illustrative way - then it is likely that its _useful
response_ would end no higher than 24 kHz.

No absolute statement of any kind is made in this post, the actual specs
of whatever treble driver this was about are unknown to me.

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Curious wrote:

Peter Larsen wrote in message ...


Curious wrote:


What is the frequency response


Unlinear.


What is the the highest frequency it can play?


At what conversion efficiency? - loudspeaker units generally have their
usable frequency response within a 10 dB "frame", but they don't just
stop doing sound as they "leave their specs". Consequently when asked in
an undefined kind of way the question gets meaningless. We are however
talking about a horn driver, and it is unlikely to have usable response
for more than 4 octaves, and to get maximum efficiency in the audible
treble some of that response could be "sold off" by moving the resonance
of the front chamber into the audible range. If so - and please
understand that no claim of technical accuracy is made, this is
explained in an illustrative way - then it is likely that its _useful
response_ would end no higher than 24 kHz.

No absolute statement of any kind is made in this post, the actual specs
of whatever treble driver this was about are unknown to me.

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Peter Larsen wrote in message ...
useful
response would end no higher than 24 kHz.

I just bought a knew super-tweeter from Radio Shack. It has a freq.
resp. from 5,000 - 40,000 Hz.

Here are the specs:

Super Tweeter
(400-1310) Specifications Faxback Doc. #
14242


Type:............................................. ...................
Dome

Diameter:......................................... ...............10/16
in.

Diaghragm Mat'l:............................................ .....
Almineum

Voice Coil Dia:.............................................. ....10/16
in.

Voice Coil Impedance:......................................8 ohms at 9
kHz

Magnet Type:............................................. ...........60
x 8

Crossover Type:........................................ L - C Cut Net
Work

Sound Pressure Level:.......................................96 dB +/-
2 dB

Operation (Sine Wave):.......................................3 V at 10
kHz

Magnet Weight:........................................... ... 2.86 oz
(81g)

Speaker Weight:........................................... ..22.8 oz
(646g)

Power Handling Capacity:......................50 Watts maximum music
power

Frequency Response:............................5000 Hz to 40 kHz +/-
10 dB

Impedance:..............................8 ohms, +/- 15% at 6 kHz, 1.0
volt

(ALL/km-04/10/1997)


Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


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Peter Larsen wrote in message ...
useful
response would end no higher than 24 kHz.

I just bought a knew super-tweeter from Radio Shack. It has a freq.
resp. from 5,000 - 40,000 Hz.

Here are the specs:

Super Tweeter
(400-1310) Specifications Faxback Doc. #
14242


Type:............................................. ...................
Dome

Diameter:......................................... ...............10/16
in.

Diaghragm Mat'l:............................................ .....
Almineum

Voice Coil Dia:.............................................. ....10/16
in.

Voice Coil Impedance:......................................8 ohms at 9
kHz

Magnet Type:............................................. ...........60
x 8

Crossover Type:........................................ L - C Cut Net
Work

Sound Pressure Level:.......................................96 dB +/-
2 dB

Operation (Sine Wave):.......................................3 V at 10
kHz

Magnet Weight:........................................... ... 2.86 oz
(81g)

Speaker Weight:........................................... ..22.8 oz
(646g)

Power Handling Capacity:......................50 Watts maximum music
power

Frequency Response:............................5000 Hz to 40 kHz +/-
10 dB

Impedance:..............................8 ohms, +/- 15% at 6 kHz, 1.0
volt

(ALL/km-04/10/1997)


Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?
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Peter Larsen wrote in message ...
useful
response would end no higher than 24 kHz.

I just bought a knew super-tweeter from Radio Shack. It has a freq.
resp. from 5,000 - 40,000 Hz.

Here are the specs:

Super Tweeter
(400-1310) Specifications Faxback Doc. #
14242


Type:............................................. ...................
Dome

Diameter:......................................... ...............10/16
in.

Diaghragm Mat'l:............................................ .....
Almineum

Voice Coil Dia:.............................................. ....10/16
in.

Voice Coil Impedance:......................................8 ohms at 9
kHz

Magnet Type:............................................. ...........60
x 8

Crossover Type:........................................ L - C Cut Net
Work

Sound Pressure Level:.......................................96 dB +/-
2 dB

Operation (Sine Wave):.......................................3 V at 10
kHz

Magnet Weight:........................................... ... 2.86 oz
(81g)

Speaker Weight:........................................... ..22.8 oz
(646g)

Power Handling Capacity:......................50 Watts maximum music
power

Frequency Response:............................5000 Hz to 40 kHz +/-
10 dB

Impedance:..............................8 ohms, +/- 15% at 6 kHz, 1.0
volt

(ALL/km-04/10/1997)


Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?
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Someone has to ask...


Why?

- Flint

"Curious" wrote in message
om...
Peter Larsen wrote in message

...
useful
response would end no higher than 24 kHz.

I just bought a knew super-tweeter from Radio Shack. It has a freq.
resp. from 5,000 - 40,000 Hz.

Here are the specs:

Super Tweeter
(400-1310) Specifications Faxback Doc. #
14242


Type:............................................. ...................
Dome

Diameter:......................................... ...............10/16
in.

Diaghragm Mat'l:............................................ .....
Almineum

Voice Coil Dia:.............................................. ....10/16
in.

Voice Coil Impedance:......................................8 ohms at 9
kHz

Magnet Type:............................................. ...........60
x 8

Crossover Type:........................................ L - C Cut Net
Work

Sound Pressure Level:.......................................96 dB +/-
2 dB

Operation (Sine Wave):.......................................3 V at 10
kHz

Magnet Weight:........................................... ... 2.86 oz
(81g)

Speaker Weight:........................................... ..22.8 oz
(646g)

Power Handling Capacity:......................50 Watts maximum music
power

Frequency Response:............................5000 Hz to 40 kHz +/-
10 dB

Impedance:..............................8 ohms, +/- 15% at 6 kHz, 1.0
volt

(ALL/km-04/10/1997)


Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?



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Someone has to ask...


Why?

- Flint

"Curious" wrote in message
om...
Peter Larsen wrote in message

...
useful
response would end no higher than 24 kHz.

I just bought a knew super-tweeter from Radio Shack. It has a freq.
resp. from 5,000 - 40,000 Hz.

Here are the specs:

Super Tweeter
(400-1310) Specifications Faxback Doc. #
14242


Type:............................................. ...................
Dome

Diameter:......................................... ...............10/16
in.

Diaghragm Mat'l:............................................ .....
Almineum

Voice Coil Dia:.............................................. ....10/16
in.

Voice Coil Impedance:......................................8 ohms at 9
kHz

Magnet Type:............................................. ...........60
x 8

Crossover Type:........................................ L - C Cut Net
Work

Sound Pressure Level:.......................................96 dB +/-
2 dB

Operation (Sine Wave):.......................................3 V at 10
kHz

Magnet Weight:........................................... ... 2.86 oz
(81g)

Speaker Weight:........................................... ..22.8 oz
(646g)

Power Handling Capacity:......................50 Watts maximum music
power

Frequency Response:............................5000 Hz to 40 kHz +/-
10 dB

Impedance:..............................8 ohms, +/- 15% at 6 kHz, 1.0
volt

(ALL/km-04/10/1997)


Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?



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Someone has to ask...


Why?

- Flint

"Curious" wrote in message
om...
Peter Larsen wrote in message

...
useful
response would end no higher than 24 kHz.

I just bought a knew super-tweeter from Radio Shack. It has a freq.
resp. from 5,000 - 40,000 Hz.

Here are the specs:

Super Tweeter
(400-1310) Specifications Faxback Doc. #
14242


Type:............................................. ...................
Dome

Diameter:......................................... ...............10/16
in.

Diaghragm Mat'l:............................................ .....
Almineum

Voice Coil Dia:.............................................. ....10/16
in.

Voice Coil Impedance:......................................8 ohms at 9
kHz

Magnet Type:............................................. ...........60
x 8

Crossover Type:........................................ L - C Cut Net
Work

Sound Pressure Level:.......................................96 dB +/-
2 dB

Operation (Sine Wave):.......................................3 V at 10
kHz

Magnet Weight:........................................... ... 2.86 oz
(81g)

Speaker Weight:........................................... ..22.8 oz
(646g)

Power Handling Capacity:......................50 Watts maximum music
power

Frequency Response:............................5000 Hz to 40 kHz +/-
10 dB

Impedance:..............................8 ohms, +/- 15% at 6 kHz, 1.0
volt

(ALL/km-04/10/1997)


Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?





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Curious wrote:

I just bought a knew super-tweeter from Radio Shack. It has a freq.
resp. from 5,000 - 40,000 Hz.


And overall efficiency is somewhat low compared to the product league
this was about originally.

Here are the specs:


Super Tweeter
(400-1310) Specifications Faxback Doc. #
14242


Faxback doc. # 14242 and you just bought it. Why did you have to dial
faxback to get the specs then? - I would have thought they came with
the unit - strange shop if you had to get them separately.

Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


Probably not if you ask for both properties at the same time. As Ole
Lund Christensen once said: bandwidth times efficiency tends to be a
constant. Ya can't win in unlimited tractorpulling with something that
weighs 500 kg.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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Curious wrote:

I just bought a knew super-tweeter from Radio Shack. It has a freq.
resp. from 5,000 - 40,000 Hz.


And overall efficiency is somewhat low compared to the product league
this was about originally.

Here are the specs:


Super Tweeter
(400-1310) Specifications Faxback Doc. #
14242


Faxback doc. # 14242 and you just bought it. Why did you have to dial
faxback to get the specs then? - I would have thought they came with
the unit - strange shop if you had to get them separately.

Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


Probably not if you ask for both properties at the same time. As Ole
Lund Christensen once said: bandwidth times efficiency tends to be a
constant. Ya can't win in unlimited tractorpulling with something that
weighs 500 kg.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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Curious wrote:

I just bought a knew super-tweeter from Radio Shack. It has a freq.
resp. from 5,000 - 40,000 Hz.


And overall efficiency is somewhat low compared to the product league
this was about originally.

Here are the specs:


Super Tweeter
(400-1310) Specifications Faxback Doc. #
14242


Faxback doc. # 14242 and you just bought it. Why did you have to dial
faxback to get the specs then? - I would have thought they came with
the unit - strange shop if you had to get them separately.

Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


Probably not if you ask for both properties at the same time. As Ole
Lund Christensen once said: bandwidth times efficiency tends to be a
constant. Ya can't win in unlimited tractorpulling with something that
weighs 500 kg.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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Peter Larsen wrote in message ...
Curious wrote:
Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


Probably not if you ask for both properties at the same time.


With enough power it should be possible [at least in theory]. Right?
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Peter Larsen wrote in message ...
Curious wrote:
Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


Probably not if you ask for both properties at the same time.


With enough power it should be possible [at least in theory]. Right?


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Peter Larsen wrote in message ...
Curious wrote:
Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


Probably not if you ask for both properties at the same time.


With enough power it should be possible [at least in theory]. Right?
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Peter Larsen wrote in message ...
Curious wrote:
Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


Probably not if you ask for both properties at the same time.


With enough power it should be possible [at least in theory]. Right?
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"Curious" wrote in message
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Peter Larsen wrote in message

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Curious wrote:
Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


Probably not if you ask for both properties at the same time.


With enough power it should be possible [at least in theory]. Right?


With enough power, a higher efficiency is unnecessary, [at least in theory]
Right? :-)

TonyP.



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"Curious" wrote in message
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Peter Larsen wrote in message

...
Curious wrote:
Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


Probably not if you ask for both properties at the same time.


With enough power it should be possible [at least in theory]. Right?


With enough power, a higher efficiency is unnecessary, [at least in theory]
Right? :-)

TonyP.



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"Curious" wrote in message
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Peter Larsen wrote in message

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Curious wrote:
Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


Probably not if you ask for both properties at the same time.


With enough power it should be possible [at least in theory]. Right?


With enough power, a higher efficiency is unnecessary, [at least in theory]
Right? :-)

TonyP.





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"Curious" wrote in message
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Peter Larsen wrote in message

...
Curious wrote:
Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


Probably not if you ask for both properties at the same time.


With enough power it should be possible [at least in theory]. Right?


With enough power, a higher efficiency is unnecessary, [at least in theory]
Right? :-)

TonyP.



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Curious wrote:

Peter Larsen wrote in message ...


Curious wrote:


Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


Probably not if you ask for both properties at the same time.


With enough power it should be possible [at least in theory]. Right?


No, in the context of the stats you asked about it is only possible to
read the "96 dB" quoted above as a sensitivity spec incorrectly written.
Sensitivity doesn't change with available power.

For something that does exist, and comes up once every 12 years and then
fails, you could try to search on the web for info on the ionophone
design. It is woefully inefficient, it fills the room with ozone, but
its upwards frequency response is very extended. You will also have the
great feeling afterwards of having found information by yourself instead
of just asking any stray question you can come up with.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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Curious wrote:

Peter Larsen wrote in message ...


Curious wrote:


Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


Probably not if you ask for both properties at the same time.


With enough power it should be possible [at least in theory]. Right?


No, in the context of the stats you asked about it is only possible to
read the "96 dB" quoted above as a sensitivity spec incorrectly written.
Sensitivity doesn't change with available power.

For something that does exist, and comes up once every 12 years and then
fails, you could try to search on the web for info on the ionophone
design. It is woefully inefficient, it fills the room with ozone, but
its upwards frequency response is very extended. You will also have the
great feeling afterwards of having found information by yourself instead
of just asking any stray question you can come up with.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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Curious wrote:

Peter Larsen wrote in message ...


Curious wrote:


Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


Probably not if you ask for both properties at the same time.


With enough power it should be possible [at least in theory]. Right?


No, in the context of the stats you asked about it is only possible to
read the "96 dB" quoted above as a sensitivity spec incorrectly written.
Sensitivity doesn't change with available power.

For something that does exist, and comes up once every 12 years and then
fails, you could try to search on the web for info on the ionophone
design. It is woefully inefficient, it fills the room with ozone, but
its upwards frequency response is very extended. You will also have the
great feeling afterwards of having found information by yourself instead
of just asking any stray question you can come up with.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
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Curious wrote:

Peter Larsen wrote in message ...


Curious wrote:


Is there any super-tweeter which goes beyond 40 KHz and SPL beyond 96
dB?


Probably not if you ask for both properties at the same time.


With enough power it should be possible [at least in theory]. Right?


No, in the context of the stats you asked about it is only possible to
read the "96 dB" quoted above as a sensitivity spec incorrectly written.
Sensitivity doesn't change with available power.

For something that does exist, and comes up once every 12 years and then
fails, you could try to search on the web for info on the ionophone
design. It is woefully inefficient, it fills the room with ozone, but
its upwards frequency response is very extended. You will also have the
great feeling afterwards of having found information by yourself instead
of just asking any stray question you can come up with.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
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