[firedome]

a couple died, but where's all the old timers? one eye jack,
dangerdave, ross lipman...

[Ham]

"firedome" wrote in message ...
a couple died, but where's all the old timers? one eye jack,
dangerdave, ross lipman...

Andre Jute ran 'em all off.

[John Byrns]

In article
,
firedome wrote:

a couple died, but where's all the old timers? one eye jack,
dangerdave, ross lipman...

It was my understanding that dangerdave was one of the ones that died.
The others have retreated to the safety of the "forums" where they don't
have to defend their opinions stated as fact.


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

[John Byrns]

In article , "Ham"
wrote:

"firedome" wrote in message
...
a couple died, but where's all the old timers? one eye jack,
dangerdave, ross lipman...

Andre Jute ran 'em all off.

Not likely, the same thing has happened in many other groups that
are/were unknown to Andre. Interestingly, many of the moderated
"forums" also have shown a drop off in the last three or four years.


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

[Arny Krueger]

"John Byrns" wrote in message


The others have retreated to the safety
of the "forums" where they don't have to defend their
opinions stated as fact.

I think the reasons behind the rapid rise of HTML-based forums and
moderation are just a little more complex than that.

Certainly, we've seen some dramatic shifts in conferencing formats over the
past 5 years.

I think that HTML-based conferencing became more popular primarily because
configuring and using a newsreader is beyond the technical chops of the
majority of modern computer users.

Administration of HTML-based conferences also has a lot less administrative
overhead. There is essentually no central control - if you can rent space on
a web server, you can start a conference or change the forums on the
conference you have.

Moderation is popular not so much because people want to defend their
private OSAF, but because it avoids the problems we currently see being
acted out in RAO and AAPLS.

If you don't have moderation, it takes a fairly strong sense of community to
keep an unmoderated forum even halfways civil. It doesn't take much more
than one or two really strong personalites to destroy a forum or at least
keep it from thriving.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"John Byrns" wrote in message
...
In article
,
firedome wrote:

a couple died, but where's all the old timers? one eye jack,
dangerdave, ross lipman...

It was my understanding that dangerdave was one of the ones that died.
The others have retreated to the safety of the "forums" where they don't
have to defend their opinions stated as fact.


Several of those who have disappeared from RAT are active on closed
groups, by which I mean groups to which access is by invitation only.
They are not moderated, any more than an AES forum/workshop or
a university discussion is moderated, but the degree of civility is much
more in line with the generally accepted standard of behaivour. Topics
are plentiful and discussion is vigorous. Many prefer this.

It is interesting to see how recruitment to such groups is conducted.

Iain

[Multi-grid]

On Dec 11, 6:51 pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article
,

firedome wrote:
a couple died, but where's all the old timers? one eye jack,
dangerdave, ross lipman...

It was my understanding that dangerdave was one of the ones that died.
The others have retreated to the safety of the "forums" where they don't
have to defend their opinions stated as fact.

Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/



So what is the attraction to this then? Given you think it is inferior
to this group, why would so few civil discussions take place here?
cheers,
Douglas

[John Byrns]

In article i,
"Iain Churches" wrote:

"John Byrns" wrote in message
...
In article
,
firedome wrote:

a couple died, but where's all the old timers? one eye jack,
dangerdave, ross lipman...

It was my understanding that dangerdave was one of the ones that died.
The others have retreated to the safety of the "forums" where they don't
have to defend their opinions stated as fact.


Several of those who have disappeared from RAT are active on closed
groups, by which I mean groups to which access is by invitation only.
They are not moderated, any more than an AES forum/workshop or
a university discussion is moderated, but the degree of civility is much
more in line with the generally accepted standard of behaivour. Topics
are plentiful and discussion is vigorous. Many prefer this.

It is interesting to see how recruitment to such groups is conducted.

So how is it conducted?


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

[John Byrns]

In article
,
Multi-grid wrote:

On Dec 11, 6:51 pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article
,

firedome wrote:
a couple died, but where's all the old timers? one eye jack,
dangerdave, ross lipman...

It was my understanding that dangerdave was one of the ones that died.
The others have retreated to the safety of the "forums" where they don't
have to defend their opinions stated as fact.

So what is the attraction to this then? Given you think it is inferior
to this group, why would so few civil discussions take place here?

The answer should be obvious, not everyone thinks it is inferior! The
real question that has gone unanswered, except by conjecture, is why do
they think it is superior?


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

[Andre Jute]

On Dec 11, 11:53 pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article
,

Multi-grid wrote:
On Dec 11, 6:51 pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article
,

firedome wrote:
a couple died, but where's all the old timers? one eye jack,
dangerdave, ross lipman...

It was my understanding that dangerdave was one of the ones that died.

Actually, Dangerdave was killed, literally, by the Magnequest Mob. One
of Creepy Mike LaFever's rottweilers, Frank Deutschmann, set the
lawyers of a big Atlanta bank on Dangerdave. Poor Dangerdavie was
killed by the stress of having the lawyers of a big bank on his arse.
I know this because Dangerdave was on the phone to me when he fell
down dead within sight of his favourite doughnut.

Of the other two, Ross Lipman got married, and One-eyed Jack managed
to hold a conversation with a woman for the first time when a lady
engineer (engaged to another Ross) came on RAT; O E Jack then left RAT
to start chasing women.

The others have retreated to the safety of the "forums" where they don't
have to defend their opinions stated as fact.

So what is the attraction to this then? Given you think it is inferior
to this group, why would so few civil discussions take place here?

Yo, Cuddles, what are you doing on RAT if it is so inferior?

The answer should be obvious, not everyone thinks it is inferior! The
real question that has gone unanswered, except by conjecture, is why do
they think it is superior?

I know what makes RAT superior but I'm not telling; it is one of those
things that everyone must find out for himself. When he does, it is
blindingly obvious.

Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

It seems to me that the jerks who're always claiming that RAT is dying
are always the zero contributors, the petty snipers, the ankle-
nippers, the nobodies whose only profile is their negativity.

Andre Jute
Every day, in every way, things get a little better ever since the
Magnequest Scum ran away

[Ham]

"John Byrns" wrote in message ...
In article , "Ham"
wrote:

"firedome" wrote in message
...
a couple died, but where's all the old timers? one eye jack,
dangerdave, ross lipman...

Andre Jute ran 'em all off.

Not likely, the same thing has happened in many other groups that
are/were unknown to Andre.

Possibly so, John. There are a lot of assholes out there, and the
newsgroups in general are in decline. But in *this* newsgroup,
Andre is the asshole who has run a great many valuable people off
with his incessant personal attacks and his repeated and re-repeated
circular lies.

I don't care that he lies about his abilities or personal history, he's
free to be as creative about that as he wishes. But he has a habit
of engaging in viscious and extended personal attacks for no reason
but "sport", and a lot of good people have gotten fed up with that and
left.

I haven't commented on a thing Andre's said that's on topic. But lately
when he starts spewing horse**** about the other people in the group,
past and present, I find myself compelled to point out that what he's
spewing is, indeed, horse****. And we all know where horse**** comes
from, don't we.

Interestingly, many of the moderated
"forums" also have shown a drop off in the last three or four years.

I see a lot more people posting in the online audio forums I visit than
I do here these days. Some of those people I recognize as ex-RAT
posters. A big part of the reason they're there instead of here is that
when jerks like Andre start trying to cause trouble in those groups, they
quickly find themselves on the outside looking in.

So why don't I just take a hike if RAT's so terrible? Well, I've been
around here for a lot of years, and I guess I think RAT is worth
defending. Why do I keep my identity hidden? A few weeks ago,
Andre was asking if anyone knew where Jon lived. Andre is a vicious,
criminal ******* and I don't want him finding out where I live, that's why.

Ham

Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

[Ham]

"Andre Jute" wrote in message ...
On Dec 11, 11:53 pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article
,

Multi-grid wrote:
On Dec 11, 6:51 pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article
,

firedome wrote:
a couple died, but where's all the old timers? one eye jack,
dangerdave, ross lipman...

It was my understanding that dangerdave was one of the ones that died.

Actually, Dangerdave was killed, literally, by the Magnequest Mob. One
of Creepy Mike LaFever's rottweilers, Frank Deutschmann, set the
lawyers of a big Atlanta bank on Dangerdave. Poor Dangerdavie was
killed by the stress of having the lawyers of a big bank on his arse.
I know this because Dangerdave was on the phone to me when he fell
down dead within sight of his favourite doughnut.

Of the other two, Ross Lipman got married, and One-eyed Jack managed
to hold a conversation with a woman for the first time when a lady
engineer (engaged to another Ross) came on RAT; O E Jack then left RAT
to start chasing women.

The others have retreated to the safety of the "forums" where they don't
have to defend their opinions stated as fact.

So what is the attraction to this then? Given you think it is inferior
to this group, why would so few civil discussions take place here?

Yo, Cuddles, what are you doing on RAT if it is so inferior?

The answer should be obvious, not everyone thinks it is inferior! The
real question that has gone unanswered, except by conjecture, is why do
they think it is superior?

I know what makes RAT superior but I'm not telling; it is one of those
things that everyone must find out for himself. When he does, it is
blindingly obvious.

You don't know Jack ****, Andre. But Horse ****, ahhh, that's another
matter. You're a Master of that.

Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

It seems to me that the jerks who're always claiming that RAT is dying
are always the zero contributors, the petty snipers, the ankle-
nippers, the nobodies whose only profile is their negativity.

Only about you, horse's ass. You could end all that negativity by taking
a hike. A long walk off a short pier comes to mind...

Andre Jute

Nasty, Stinky Horse**** snipped

[Peter Wieck]

On Dec 12, 12:15 am, "Ham" wrote:

So why don't I just take a hike if RAT's so terrible? Well, I've been
around here for a lot of years, and I guess I think RAT is worth
defending. Why do I keep my identity hidden? A few weeks ago,
Andre was asking if anyone knew where Jon lived. Andre is a vicious,
criminal ******* and I don't want him finding out where I live, that's why.

Ham:

If its any comfort, Andre's address is openly available, albeit in
Bandon, Ireland. Also his direct e-mail is openly available. So, even
as he chooses to use Brazilian remailers, he can be "found" if the
need arises.

Furthermore, John is peculiar but harmless, Pillock/West/JJ/Madmax/
loser1/scott/photobug/michaels (noting the various ficticious names)
is a very limited and frightened kid lurking in a dark room in
Florida. That about covers the entire contingent worldwide that would
lift any sort of appendage, finger or otherwise, in Andre's behalf.

So, Andre may be a suppurating wound on this NG, but he is an actual
threat only to himself and the sanity of his coterie of two.

I choose to give my correct name and location as I am strongly
opinionated and believe that one must be open in order to opine with
any credibility. Others believe differently - that is their choice.
But I certainly have no fear of the likes of Andre or any of his
puppets and peons - there just ain't no "there" there.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[tubegarden]

Hi RATs!

Freedom of speech is so vulnerable to abuse by unhappy or unhinged
people, many want it suppressed. Sigh. Even the great gummint of the
USA.

Freedom is vulnerable to abuse by unhappy or unhinged gummints. Sigh.

America, home of the tortured and torturers and land of the slave
product buyers. Sigh.

"No freedoms were harmed by telling it like it shouldn't be."

Happy Ears!
Al

[Peter Wieck]

On Dec 12, 10:32 am, tubegarden wrote:
Hi RATs!

Freedom of speech is so vulnerable to abuse by unhappy or unhinged
people, many want it suppressed. Sigh. Even the great gummint of the
USA.

Freedom is vulnerable to abuse by unhappy or unhinged gummints. Sigh.

America, home of the tortured and torturers and land of the slave
product buyers. Sigh.

"No freedoms were harmed by telling it like it shouldn't be."

The price of Freedom is eternal vigilance - Thomas Jefferson

If we choose to live in fear and behave with unnecessary restraint
based on fear then we deserve exactly the government we get. Dissent
may be painful, but the lack of it is far more painful in the long
run.

We need to understand right to our core that the United States could
not even pretend to be a "democracy" until 1920 - some would say 1965.
So real "freedoms" and real "democracy" are very, very recent
phenomena and it is no wonder that once granted they inspired great
fear and loathing in those who granted them. This country in 1960 and
this country today are very, very different. And far more-so than the
difference between 1920 and 1960.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[tubegarden]

On Dec 12, 8:53�am, Peter Wieck wrote:

snipped

So real "freedoms" and real "democracy" are very, very recent
phenomena and it is no wonder that once granted they inspired great
fear and loathing in those who granted them. This country in 1960 and
this country today are very, very different. And far more-so than the
difference between 1920 and 1960.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA



Hi RATs!

Democracy was practiced by the Greek slave owners, not so recently.
And their claims to being its authors may be a bit excessive. People
love to brag

Freedom is epidemic. Only people with ambitious neighbors get
subjegated. There are large portions of this planet which have never
experienced slavery nor oppression. OK, even some of the planet above
the waves. And almost all Mom's are slaves, and many, many Dads ...

Happy Ears!
Al

[Multi-grid]

On Dec 12, 2:29 am, Andre Jute wrote:
On Dec 11, 11:53 pm, John Byrns wrote:

In article
,

Multi-grid wrote:
On Dec 11, 6:51 pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article
,

firedome wrote:
a couple died, but where's all the old timers? one eye jack,
dangerdave, ross lipman...

It was my understanding that dangerdave was one of the ones that died.

Actually, Dangerdave was killed, literally, by the Magnequest Mob. One
of Creepy Mike LaFever's rottweilers, Frank Deutschmann, set the
lawyers of a big Atlanta bank on Dangerdave. Poor Dangerdavie was
killed by the stress of having the lawyers of a big bank on his arse.
I know this because Dangerdave was on the phone to me when he fell
down dead within sight of his favourite doughnut.

Of the other two, Ross Lipman got married, and One-eyed Jack managed
to hold a conversation with a woman for the first time when a lady
engineer (engaged to another Ross) came on RAT; O E Jack then left RAT
to start chasing women.

The others have retreated to the safety of the "forums" where they don't
have to defend their opinions stated as fact.

So what is the attraction to this then? Given you think it is inferior
to this group, why would so few civil discussions take place here?

Yo, Cuddles, what are you doing on RAT if it is so inferior?

The answer should be obvious, not everyone thinks it is inferior! The
real question that has gone unanswered, except by conjecture, is why do
they think it is superior?

I know what makes RAT superior but I'm not telling; it is one of those
things that everyone must find out for himself. When he does, it is
blindingly obvious.

Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

It seems to me that the jerks who're always claiming that RAT is dying
are always the zero contributors, the petty snipers, the ankle-
nippers, the nobodies whose only profile is their negativity.

Andre Jute
Every day, in every way, things get a little better ever since the
Magnequest Scum ran away

[Multi-grid]

Andre Jute
Every day, in every way, things get a little better ever since the
Magnequest Scum ran away

What a crock. Mike left because it was easier to live where you
aren't. The ridiculous claims you made like lost him a major fraction
of his business, earned 6 or 7 figures doing it...what a joke.

Do something real to get him, your continious spewing of fabrications
costs you the credibility you would need to accomplish anything
useful.

It is quite clear by now that you aren't capable of doing anything
useful in that regard. Impotent you have made yourself.
cheers,
Douglas

[Andre Jute]

On Dec 13, 10:05 pm, Multi-grid wrote:
Andre Jute
Every day, in every way, things get a little better ever since the
Magnequest Scum ran away

What a crock. Mike left because it was easier to live where you
aren't. The ridiculous claims you made like lost him a major fraction
of his business, earned 6 or 7 figures doing it...what a joke.

Do something real to get him, your continious spewing of fabrications
costs you the credibility you would need to accomplish anything
useful.

It is quite clear by now that you aren't capable of doing anything
useful in that regard. Impotent you have made yourself.
cheers,
Douglas

But why should I want to "get Mike"? Hmm, little Dougles? You're the
one who wants to "get Mike", failed, and now want me to do a job
you're incompetent at. We can see why you failed, in the way that as
encouragement you offer me abuse.

See, I don't have to do anything, "useful" or otherwise. Creepy Mike
LaFevre of Magnequest doesn't dare come near me, and that is all that
is required. Job done, money spent. All that remains is for a few
little scavengers like you to pick the bones clean -- and you're
making a poor job of it, aren't you, little Dougles?

Andre Jute
Charisma is a talent for inducing apoplexy in losers by merely
existing elegantly

[Jon Yaeger]

in article
, Andre
Jute at wrote on 12/13/07 6:03 PM:

On Dec 13, 10:05 pm, Multi-grid wrote:
Andre Jute
Every day, in every way, things get a little better ever since the
Magnequest Scum ran away

What a crock. Mike left because it was easier to live where you
aren't. The ridiculous claims you made like lost him a major fraction
of his business, earned 6 or 7 figures doing it...what a joke.

Do something real to get him, your continious spewing of fabrications
costs you the credibility you would need to accomplish anything
useful.

It is quite clear by now that you aren't capable of doing anything
useful in that regard. Impotent you have made yourself.
cheers,
Douglas

But why should I want to "get Mike"? Hmm, little Dougles? You're the
one who wants to "get Mike", failed, and now want me to do a job
you're incompetent at. We can see why you failed, in the way that as
encouragement you offer me abuse.

See, I don't have to do anything, "useful" or otherwise. Creepy Mike
LaFevre of Magnequest doesn't dare come near me, and that is all that
is required. Job done, money spent. All that remains is for a few
little scavengers like you to pick the bones clean -- and you're
making a poor job of it, aren't you, little Dougles?

Andre Jute
Charisma is a talent for inducing apoplexy in losers by merely
existing elegantly


Yo 'Dre,

Mike doesn't hold a grudge against you. In fact, he said if he saw you, he
wouldn't mind drinking a beer with you. That's a far cry from "doesn't dare
come near me." But, as usual . . . fiction serves you better than fact.

You still haven't answered my questions regarding the whereabouts of the
Lundahl iron or what things you've managed to publish over the past few
years (besides reams of BS here). Nor have you apologized for originating
that horrible libel that Henry is a pederast (after I pointed out your
"Italian" sockpuppet / forgery for all to see).

Good reasons indeed for you to leave me in your kill file, and avoid being
held accountable for your chronic nastiness. Coward.

Your redneck friend,

Jon

[Peter Wieck]

On Dec 13, 6:20 pm, Jon Yaeger wrote:

Good reasons indeed for you to leave me in your kill file, and avoid being
held accountable for your chronic nastiness. Coward.

Jon:

Andre is merely using the technique of that great American writer,
James Fenimore Cooper - as explained by none other than Mark Twain,
show here in full:

http://ww3.telerama.com/~joseph/cooper/cooper.html

When it suits Andre to have his characters speak correctly, they do.
When it suits him that they should speak as those equally ignorant in
pidgin as in their native language, they do. Cooper did the same and
with similar effect.

Andre is a hack. He is a hack audio designer, a hack writer, a hack
"advisor to statesmen", and left South Africa evidently because he
could not hack remaining there and being part of the solution after
being part of the problem for so many years. It is no coincidence that
he should wind up in the most homogeneous English-speaking country in
the world.

Assassins... with respect, Andre, letting you live as you are is about
the single greatest punishment I could wish on any human being. Your
phantasmagorical assassins took one look at you, and took up a
collection on your behalf. There is so little going on in your life
that you have to create a silly legend for self-validation. Jon can be
happy with a jelly-jar of Shine and a 'possum pie. I can be happy with
a clean floor...

Jon:

This is about the time that pillock or Gassy will chime in as Andre
has 'killfiled' the both of us. Just you watch.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Jon Yaeger]

in article
, Peter
Wieck at wrote on 12/13/07 7:55 PM:

On Dec 13, 6:20 pm, Jon Yaeger wrote:

Good reasons indeed for you to leave me in your kill file, and avoid being
held accountable for your chronic nastiness. Coward.

Jon:

Andre is merely using the technique of that great American writer,
James Fenimore Cooper - as explained by none other than Mark Twain,
show here in full:

http://ww3.telerama.com/~joseph/cooper/cooper.html

When it suits Andre to have his characters speak correctly, they do.
When it suits him that they should speak as those equally ignorant in
pidgin as in their native language, they do. Cooper did the same and
with similar effect.

*** Peter, You nailed it better than the rifleman in Cooper's tale . . .

Andre is a hack. He is a hack audio designer, a hack writer, a hack
"advisor to statesmen", and left South Africa evidently because he
could not hack remaining there and being part of the solution after
being part of the problem for so many years. It is no coincidence that
he should wind up in the most homogeneous English-speaking country in
the world.

Assassins... with respect, Andre, letting you live as you are is about
the single greatest punishment I could wish on any human being. Your
phantasmagorical assassins took one look at you, and took up a
collection on your behalf. There is so little going on in your life
that you have to create a silly legend for self-validation. Jon can be
happy with a jelly-jar of Shine and a 'possum pie. I can be happy with
a clean floor...

Jon:

This is about the time that pillock or Gassy will chime in as Andre
has 'killfiled' the both of us. Just you watch.

*** All in due time.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Ham]

"Peter Wieck" wrote in message ...
On Dec 12, 12:15 am, "Ham" wrote:

So why don't I just take a hike if RAT's so terrible? Well, I've been
around here for a lot of years, and I guess I think RAT is worth
defending. Why do I keep my identity hidden? A few weeks ago,
Andre was asking if anyone knew where Jon lived. Andre is a vicious,
criminal ******* and I don't want him finding out where I live, that's why.

Ham:

If its any comfort, Andre's address is openly available, albeit in
Bandon, Ireland. Also his direct e-mail is openly available. So, even
as he chooses to use Brazilian remailers, he can be "found" if the
need arises.

Furthermore, John is peculiar but harmless, Pillock/West/JJ/Madmax/
loser1/scott/photobug/michaels (noting the various ficticious names)
is a very limited and frightened kid lurking in a dark room in
Florida. That about covers the entire contingent worldwide that would
lift any sort of appendage, finger or otherwise, in Andre's behalf.

So, Andre may be a suppurating wound on this NG, but he is an actual
threat only to himself and the sanity of his coterie of two.

I choose to give my correct name and location as I am strongly
opinionated and believe that one must be open in order to opine with
any credibility. Others believe differently - that is their choice.
But I certainly have no fear of the likes of Andre or any of his
puppets and peons - there just ain't no "there" there.

You know, Peter, after watching the job you and Jon have been doing
lately in pointing out Andre's inconsistencies (now, there's a polite term),
I think I'll just let Ham fade away. You two are doing very well, indeed.
Ham's been fun, but slapstick has it's limits.

Andre won't likely cease in his insane ravings, though, until his dementia
completely paralyzes him.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Jon Yaeger]

in article , Ham at wrote on
12/13/07 11:14 PM:


"Peter Wieck" wrote in message
...
On Dec 12, 12:15 am, "Ham" wrote:

So why don't I just take a hike if RAT's so terrible? Well, I've been
around here for a lot of years, and I guess I think RAT is worth
defending. Why do I keep my identity hidden? A few weeks ago,
Andre was asking if anyone knew where Jon lived. Andre is a vicious,
criminal ******* and I don't want him finding out where I live, that's why.

Ham:

If its any comfort, Andre's address is openly available, albeit in
Bandon, Ireland. Also his direct e-mail is openly available. So, even
as he chooses to use Brazilian remailers, he can be "found" if the
need arises.

Furthermore, John is peculiar but harmless, Pillock/West/JJ/Madmax/
loser1/scott/photobug/michaels (noting the various ficticious names)
is a very limited and frightened kid lurking in a dark room in
Florida. That about covers the entire contingent worldwide that would
lift any sort of appendage, finger or otherwise, in Andre's behalf.

So, Andre may be a suppurating wound on this NG, but he is an actual
threat only to himself and the sanity of his coterie of two.

I choose to give my correct name and location as I am strongly
opinionated and believe that one must be open in order to opine with
any credibility. Others believe differently - that is their choice.
But I certainly have no fear of the likes of Andre or any of his
puppets and peons - there just ain't no "there" there.

You know, Peter, after watching the job you and Jon have been doing
lately in pointing out Andre's inconsistencies (now, there's a polite term),
I think I'll just let Ham fade away. You two are doing very well, indeed.
Ham's been fun, but slapstick has it's limits.

Andre won't likely cease in his insane ravings, though, until his dementia
completely paralyzes him.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA




Don't go far. Stick around and contribute some tube stuff!

Jon

[Ham]

"Jon Yaeger" wrote in message ...
in article , Ham at wrote on
12/13/07 11:14 PM:


"Peter Wieck" wrote in message
...
On Dec 12, 12:15 am, "Ham" wrote:

So why don't I just take a hike if RAT's so terrible? Well, I've been
around here for a lot of years, and I guess I think RAT is worth
defending. Why do I keep my identity hidden? A few weeks ago,
Andre was asking if anyone knew where Jon lived. Andre is a vicious,
criminal ******* and I don't want him finding out where I live, that's why.

Ham:

If its any comfort, Andre's address is openly available, albeit in
Bandon, Ireland. Also his direct e-mail is openly available. So, even
as he chooses to use Brazilian remailers, he can be "found" if the
need arises.

Furthermore, John is peculiar but harmless, Pillock/West/JJ/Madmax/
loser1/scott/photobug/michaels (noting the various ficticious names)
is a very limited and frightened kid lurking in a dark room in
Florida. That about covers the entire contingent worldwide that would
lift any sort of appendage, finger or otherwise, in Andre's behalf.

So, Andre may be a suppurating wound on this NG, but he is an actual
threat only to himself and the sanity of his coterie of two.

I choose to give my correct name and location as I am strongly
opinionated and believe that one must be open in order to opine with
any credibility. Others believe differently - that is their choice.
But I certainly have no fear of the likes of Andre or any of his
puppets and peons - there just ain't no "there" there.

You know, Peter, after watching the job you and Jon have been doing
lately in pointing out Andre's inconsistencies (now, there's a polite term),
I think I'll just let Ham fade away. You two are doing very well, indeed.
Ham's been fun, but slapstick has it's limits.

Andre won't likely cease in his insane ravings, though, until his dementia
completely paralyzes him.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA




Don't go far. Stick around and contribute some tube stuff!

Thanks, Jon. I have been, & will continue to contribute when I have
something to offer. I'm not going anywhere, but this is the last you'll
see of Ham, who never really was. A figment of the imagination, like
that horse's ass Andre & his horse **** puppets ;-)

Jon

[Multi-grid]

On Dec 14, 1:03 am, Andre Jute wrote:
On Dec 13, 10:05 pm, Multi-grid wrote:





Andre Jute
Every day, in every way, things get a little better ever since the
Magnequest Scum ran away

What a crock. Mike left because it was easier to live where you
aren't. The ridiculous claims you made like lost him a major fraction
of his business, earned 6 or 7 figures doing it...what a joke.

Do something real to get him, your continious spewing of fabrications
costs you the credibility you would need to accomplish anything
useful.

It is quite clear by now that you aren't capable of doing anything
useful in that regard. Impotent you have made yourself.
cheers,
Douglas

But why should I want to "get Mike"? Hmm, little Dougles? You're the
one who wants to "get Mike", failed, and now want me to do a job
you're incompetent at. We can see why you failed, in the way that as
encouragement you offer me abuse.

See, I don't have to do anything, "useful" or otherwise. Creepy Mike
LaFevre of Magnequest doesn't dare come near me, and that is all that
is required. Job done, money spent. All that remains is for a few
little scavengers like you to pick the bones clean -- and you're
making a poor job of it, aren't you, little Dougles?

Andre Jute
Charisma is a talent for inducing apoplexy in losers by merely
existing elegantly
- Show quoted text -

While I hold no warm feelings for the fraud Lefever, I am not 'out to
get him'. I am making no job of anything to do with Mike.

As to the rest of your falshoods...good luck. Hire you? Encourage you?
You've got to be kidding me. Encourage you to behave perhaps, but
you're no better at that than you are at frightening off Mike.
cheers,
Douglas