[Kompu Kid]

Hello All:

I have been scouring the Internet for the past few weeks to determine
what brand to use to archive some of my music that I transferred from
my LP's.

Most of the information that I found are several months old. I want
to summarize what I've found so far and ask others opinions as to if
anything has changed.

Here they a

* Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

* Some TDK, and Verbatim DVDs are made using Taiyo Yuden media.

* The TDK DVDs sold in Cosco in bulk are not made with Taiyo Yuden
media.

* Rima DVDs are also made with Taiyo Yuden media.

* MAN-A gold is the best and has the longest shelf life.

* DVD+R 's better than DVD-R in terms of error correction, etc.

Comments appreciated!

Deguza

[ded]

"Kompu Kid" wrote in message
...
Hello All:

I have been scouring the Internet for the past few weeks to determine
what brand to use to archive some of my music that I transferred from
my LP's.

Most of the information that I found are several months old. I want
to summarize what I've found so far and ask others opinions as to if
anything has changed.

Here they a

* Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

I've never heard of them


* Some TDK, and Verbatim DVDs are made using Taiyo Yuden media.

Are they?


* The TDK DVDs sold in Cosco in bulk are not made with Taiyo Yuden
media.


Shocking!

* Rima DVDs are also made with Taiyo Yuden media.

sigh...


* MAN-A gold is the best and has the longest shelf life.

Who told you that?


* DVD+R 's better than DVD-R in terms of error correction, etc.

Myth.



Comments appreciated!


The various discs are manufactured by many and far apart.
The only issues are of compatibility, the hardware manufacturers
release firmware updates to increase a burners compatibility
with the ever expanding range of blank media.
The only time an incompatibility cannot be altered is if you have
a burner that is either "DVD+R" or "DVD-R", but all burners will
burn both these days. If a burner is one type only it cannot be changed.
If you're having a problem with a specific brand of discs then
visit the support link of the burners OEM, download the latest
firmware update for your burner.

[Trevor Wilson[_2_]]

"Kompu Kid" wrote in message
...
Hello All:

I have been scouring the Internet for the past few weeks to determine
what brand to use to archive some of my music that I transferred from
my LP's.

Most of the information that I found are several months old. I want
to summarize what I've found so far and ask others opinions as to if
anything has changed.

Here they a

* Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

* Some TDK, and Verbatim DVDs are made using Taiyo Yuden media.

* The TDK DVDs sold in Cosco in bulk are not made with Taiyo Yuden
media.

* Rima DVDs are also made with Taiyo Yuden media.

* MAN-A gold is the best and has the longest shelf life.

* DVD+R 's better than DVD-R in terms of error correction, etc.

Comments appreciated!

**The best are DVD-RAM disks. Any brand.

Trevor Wilson

[Trevor Wilson[_2_]]

"Soundhaspriority" wrote in message
...

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

[snip]

**The best are DVD-RAM disks. Any brand.

Trevor Wilson
I'm not contradicting you, but can you provide some supporting documents?

**Certainly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM

The cartridge type disks are particularly robust.

Trevor Wilson

[Richard Crowley]

"ded" wrote ...
"Kompu Kid" wrote ...
Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

I've never heard of them

Taiyo-Yuden are probably the best manufacturers of
optical discs on our particular planet.

* Some TDK, and Verbatim DVDs are made using
Taiyo Yuden media.

Are they?

You can see an example of which manufactureres OEM for
which labels on this page. Of course, it changes all the time,
so this is a "snapshot" in time...
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

* The TDK DVDs sold in Cosco in bulk are not made
with Taiyo Yuden media.

Perhaps not today, but TDK has OEMed discs from T-Y
in the past and nothing is stopping them from doing it in
the future. That is one reason to avoid "label-only" vendors
of discs. You never really know what you are getting from
month to month. That is why I use Taiyo-Yuden exclusively.
They make their own product, and they are consistently in
the highest echelon of quality.

* Rima DVDs are also made with Taiyo Yuden media.

Rima appears to *sell* Taiyo-Yuden beanded media.

The various discs are manufactured by many and far apart.
The only issues are of compatibility,

The issues of reliability and quality appear to be far bigger
than "compatibility" IMHO.

the hardware manufacturers
release firmware updates to increase a burners compatibility
with the ever expanding range of blank media.
The only time an incompatibility cannot be altered is if you have
a burner that is either "DVD+R" or "DVD-R", but all burners will
burn both these days. If a burner is one type only it cannot be
changed.

OTOH, new drives are so cheap, there's no reason to suffer
with some old clunker.

If you're having a problem with a specific brand of discs then
visit the support link of the burners OEM, download the latest
firmware update for your burner.

Or switch to a brand of discs known for consistent reliability.
I use T-Y exclusively and I can't remember the last time
I had any problem with discs I've distributed.

[Richard Crowley]

"Trevor Wilson" wrote ...
**The best are DVD-RAM disks. Any brand.

Please explain how you arrived at those conclusions.
Both the "DVD-RAM is best" part, and the "any brand"
part. Both statements seem very suspicious to me.

[olfart]

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

"Soundhaspriority" wrote in message
...

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

[snip]

**The best are DVD-RAM disks. Any brand.

Trevor Wilson
I'm not contradicting you, but can you provide some supporting documents?

**Certainly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM

The cartridge type disks are particularly robust.

Trevor Wilson

But your DVD writer must support the DVD-RAM format

[ded]

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
"Trevor Wilson" wrote ...
**The best are DVD-RAM disks. Any brand.

Please explain how you arrived at those conclusions.
Both the "DVD-RAM is best" part, and the "any brand"
part. Both statements seem very suspicious to me.

I may well be wrong, but the thread seems to me, to have
evolved, or maybe intended, to plug a particular brand of discs?
The thread has a "distributor" of said brand now posting!
I'll get my coat and move onto another thread.....

[Scott Dorsey]

Jim jimmy AT hotmail.com wrote:

Taiyo Yuden have consistently been proven in tests to be the DVD of choice
with Verbatim coming in a close second.
Not sure where you got the info they are for 'inexpensive disks.'

Also, realize that NONE of these media are intended for archival purposes,
and odds are pretty good the original LPs will outlast any DVD-R dubs you
may make.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Mr.T]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
Also, realize that NONE of these media are intended for archival purposes,
and odds are pretty good the original LPs will outlast any DVD-R dubs you
may make.

Here's my take. Keep the LP's make CDR dubs for listening to. Why are DVDR's
necessary at all?

MrT.

[Trevor Wilson[_2_]]

"olfart" wrote in message
...

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

"Soundhaspriority" wrote in message
...

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

[snip]

**The best are DVD-RAM disks. Any brand.

Trevor Wilson
I'm not contradicting you, but can you provide some supporting
documents?

**Certainly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM

The cartridge type disks are particularly robust.

Trevor Wilson

But your DVD writer must support the DVD-RAM format

**ALL my writers support DVD-RAM. I refuse to buy one which does not.

Trevor Wilson

[Trevor Wilson[_2_]]

"Soundhaspriority" wrote in message
...

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

"Soundhaspriority" wrote in message
...

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

[snip]

**The best are DVD-RAM disks. Any brand.

Trevor Wilson
I'm not contradicting you, but can you provide some supporting
documents?

**Certainly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM

The cartridge type disks are particularly robust.

Trevor Wilson
Interesting. Here in the U.S., DVD-RAM has very little presence, and the
media costs are very high. I understand it is more widely used elsewhere.

**Media runs to around AUS$3.00 per disk (non-cartridge type). A lot more
expensive than other media. Cheap, for peace of mind though.

Trevor Wilson

[Trevor Wilson[_2_]]

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
"Trevor Wilson" wrote ...
**The best are DVD-RAM disks. Any brand.

Please explain how you arrived at those conclusions.
Both the "DVD-RAM is best" part, and the "any brand"
part. Both statements seem very suspicious to me.

**Why? DVD-RAM disks are all manufactured to the same standards. The theory
behind the operation of the disks allows for very robust error correction
systems. DVD-RAM disks operate more like hard drives. They can be re-written
many thousands of times (FWIW).

A simple explanation is available he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM

Trevor Wilson

[Stan Brown]

Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:30:37 -0000 from ded :

"Kompu Kid" wrote in message
...
* Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

I've never heard of them

That really calls into question *anything* you might say on media and
related subjects.

Taiyo Yuden have been well known for years, in the newsgroups and on
the Web, as providing the best quality, and in fact just about the
only consistently reliable quality.

If you've "never heard of them" ....

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
DVD FAQ: http://dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html
other FAQs: http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/faqget.htm

[Richard Crowley]

"Trevor Wilson" wrote ...
"Richard Crowley" wrote ...
"Trevor Wilson" wrote ...
**The best are DVD-RAM disks. Any brand.

Please explain how you arrived at those conclusions.
Both the "DVD-RAM is best" part, and the "any brand"
part. Both statements seem very suspicious to me.

**Why? DVD-RAM disks are all manufactured to the same standards.

You must be kidding. All optical discs are theoretically "manufactured
to the same standards". Yet there are certain brands that are practically
guaranteed coasters, while other brands are notable for extremely
low failure rates. All "manufactured to the same standards."

The theory behind the operation of the disks allows for very robust error
correction systems. DVD-RAM disks operate more like hard drives....

It was practically an orphan format from the moment of conception.
DVD-data format uses similar "robust error correction systems".

[Daniel Cohen]

Stan Brown wrote:

Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:30:37 -0000 from ded :

"Kompu Kid" wrote in message
...
* Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

I've never heard of them

That really calls into question *anything* you might say on media and
related subjects.

Taiyo Yuden have been well known for years, in the newsgroups and on
the Web, as providing the best quality, and in fact just about the
only consistently reliable quality.

If you've "never heard of them" ....

I wonder if there is a UK/US difference here.

I have never come across Taiyo-Yuden disks at the various UK sites I
have looked at for disks.

I have come across (and they are what I buy) other brands, such as
Verbatim, who use TY dyes.
--
http://www.decohen.com
Send e-mail to the Reply-To address;
mail to the From address is never read

[[email protected]]

On Dec 28, 1:49 am, Kompu Kid wrote:
Hello All:

I have been scouring the Internet for the past few weeks to determine
what brand to use to archive some of my music that I transferred from
my LP's.
....

Comments appreciated!

Deguza

do not use any optical media for archiving!!!
use hard drives, then migrate the files when and as needed!!!

[Peter Larsen[_2_]]

Stan Brown wrote:

Taiyo Yuden have been well known for years, in the newsgroups and on
the Web, as providing the best quality, and in fact just about the
only consistently reliable quality.

I got a restoration task on such a disk (data format) and added a new
session with the restored audio. Then as a cure of boredom I made the C1/C2
error test with plextools .... lowest error count I have ever seen - lower
than Kodak Gold - and it had two sessions on it burned with different
burners.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Randy Yates]

Kompu Kid writes:

Hello All:

I have been scouring the Internet for the past few weeks to determine
what brand to use to archive some of my music that I transferred from
my LP's.

Most of the information that I found are several months old. I want
to summarize what I've found so far and ask others opinions as to if
anything has changed.

Here they a

* Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

* Some TDK, and Verbatim DVDs are made using Taiyo Yuden media.

* The TDK DVDs sold in Cosco in bulk are not made with Taiyo Yuden
media.

* Rima DVDs are also made with Taiyo Yuden media.

* MAN-A gold is the best and has the longest shelf life.

* DVD+R 's better than DVD-R in terms of error correction, etc.

Comments appreciated!

Deguza

For $60 you can buy a 320 GB hard drive. Using a lossless encoding
algorithm like FLAC, you can get well over 1000 CDs on it. Buy two,
using one as a backup. Then when one crashes, buy a new drive. Rinse,
lather, repeat.
--
% Randy Yates % "Midnight, on the water...
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % I saw... the ocean's daughter."
%%% 919-577-9882 % 'Can't Get It Out Of My Head'
%%%% % *El Dorado*, Electric Light Orchestra
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

[Randy Yates]

Randy Yates writes:
[...]
For $60 you can buy a 320 GB hard drive. Using a lossless encoding
algorithm like FLAC, you can get well over 1000 CDs on it. Buy two,
using one as a backup. Then when one crashes, buy a new drive. Rinse,
lather, repeat.

And if you're really paranoid, buy a third USB (external) drive and
store it off-site, so that a catastrophic event like fire will not
wipe you out.
--
% Randy Yates % "She's sweet on Wagner-I think she'd die for Beethoven.
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % She love the way Puccini lays down a tune, and
%%% 919-577-9882 % Verdi's always creepin' from her room."
%%%% % "Rockaria", *A New World Record*, ELO
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

[Andrew Barss]

In rec.audio.tech ChairmanOfTheBored wrote:
: On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:27:56 +1100, "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:

:
:"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
: Also, realize that NONE of these media are intended for archival purposes,
: and odds are pretty good the original LPs will outlast any DVD-R dubs you
: may make.
:
:Here's my take. Keep the LP's make CDR dubs for listening to. Why are DVDR's
:necessary at all?
:

: Several albums per disc.

: Why have a huge shelf full of single albums, etc. when a single disc
: holds several?


Why not rip them losslessly to a hard drive, then play them via a
Squeezebox? No loss in quality, and the hard drive will take up as
much room as a paperback book.


-- Andy Barss

[Mr.T]

"ChairmanOfTheBored" wrote in message
...
Here's my take. Keep the LP's make CDR dubs for listening to. Why are
DVDR's
necessary at all?

Several albums per disc.

But not as versatile. Your choice.

Why have a huge shelf full of single albums, etc. when a single disc
holds several?

Becuse there are still a hell of lot of CD players that wont play DVD's.
Most DVD players wont play wave files on DVD for that matter!

And VERY few cars have DVD players that will play them.
Now IF YOU DON'T intend to actually listen to them, fine.

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"ChairmanOfTheBored" wrote in message
...
Becuse there are still a hell of lot of CD players that wont play DVD's.
Most DVD players wont play wave files on DVD for that matter!

What dopes out there record in wav files?

The ones making CDR's. YOU get to choose your own format.

And VERY few cars have DVD players that will play them.

Most cars have stereo input jacks, so a simple disc player would easily
patch it over just fine.

And why should I add another player when I already have a good CD/MP3 player
in the car. Are you going to pay for it?
Even if you did I don't like loose players rattling around in a car for no
good reason that I can see.

Now IF YOU DON'T intend to actually listen to them, fine.

If you use your brain, you can listen to any medium anywhere.

Of course, assuming money and convenience are not important.
But hey, do what YOU want, don't tell me what I should do!

MrT.

[Geoff]

Daniel Cohen wrote:


I wonder if there is a UK/US difference here.

I have never come across Taiyo-Yuden disks at the various UK sites I
have looked at for disks.

Looks for "That's CD-R" brand in consumer quantities, or Taiyo Yuden is
spindle quantities.

Not a US/UK thing, but TY are often hard to find because other brands are
half the price and importers don't bother importing for a restricted market
niche..

geoff

[Geoff]

Richard Crowley wrote:
"ded" wrote ...
"Kompu Kid" wrote ...
Taiyo Yuden for inexpensive disks.

I've never heard of them

Taiyo-Yuden are probably the best manufacturers of
optical discs on our particular planet.

* Some TDK, and Verbatim DVDs are made using
Taiyo Yuden media.

Are they?

You can see an example of which manufactureres OEM for
which labels on this page. Of course, it changes all the time,
so this is a "snapshot" in time...
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

I think the info on this page is totally ****ed up.


geoff

[Richard Crowley]

"Geoff" wrote ...
Richard Crowley wrote:
You can see an example of which manufactureres OEM for
which labels on this page. Of course, it changes all the time,
so this is a "snapshot" in time...
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

I think the info on this page is totally ****ed up.

Thank you for your substantive and valuable contribution.

[Mr.T]

"ChairmanOfTheBored" wrote in message
...
And why should I add another player when I already have a good CD/MP3
player
in the car. Are you going to pay for it?
Even if you did I don't like loose players rattling around in a car for
no
good reason that I can see.


One disc, ten albums. I see the pile of CDs as being what would be
rattling around lose in the car, not to mention the distraction from
driving that changing them would create.

Well I can fit 10 albums on an MP3 CDR, which is adequate for my car, and
requires no further investment on my part.

YOUR choices are still up to YOU.

MrT.

[Geoff]

Richard Crowley wrote:
"Geoff" wrote ...
Richard Crowley wrote:
You can see an example of which manufactureres OEM for
which labels on this page. Of course, it changes all the time,
so this is a "snapshot" in time...
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

I think the info on this page is totally ****ed up.

Thank you for your substantive and valuable contribution.

If you want specifics, some of the media they list as 4th grade junk, I have
been using extremely successfully for years as my primary duplication stock.

They list SKC with a less than 50% success rate. I have never had a failed
burn due to media, and have had no complaints from customers, CD or DVD, as
to deterioration over time.

They als seem to think that some 'brand names' actually manufacture media
for the actual manufacturers !

I called that ****ed up. Maybe they have a stuffed burner ?

geoff

[Geoff]

The Last Mimsy wrote:
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:23:21 +1300, "Geoff"
wrote:

I think the info on this page is totally ****ed up.


Yet you saw fit to re-post the link. D'oh!

???

geoff

[Richard Crowley]

"geoff" wrote ...
If you want specifics, some of the media they list as 4th grade junk,
I have been using extremely successfully for years as my primary
duplication stock.

They list SKC with a less than 50% success rate. I have never had a
failed burn due to media, and have had no complaints from customers,
CD or DVD, as to deterioration over time.

They als seem to think that some 'brand names' actually manufacture
media for the actual manufacturers !

I called that ****ed up. Maybe they have a stuffed burner ?

OK, then provide the URL of your website whiere you publish
your findings. Else my opinion of which of you is legitimate
vs. a random usenet poster remains unchained. Nice try.

[Geoff]

ChairmanOfTheBored wrote:



Customers? Are you a pirate, boy?

No.

geoff

[Geoff]

Richard Crowley wrote:
"geoff" wrote ...
If you want specifics, some of the media they list as 4th grade junk,
I have been using extremely successfully for years as my primary
duplication stock.

They list SKC with a less than 50% success rate. I have never had a
failed burn due to media, and have had no complaints from customers,
CD or DVD, as to deterioration over time.

They als seem to think that some 'brand names' actually manufacture
media for the actual manufacturers !

I called that ****ed up. Maybe they have a stuffed burner ?

OK, then provide the URL of your website whiere you publish
your findings. Else my opinion of which of you is legitimate
vs. a random usenet poster remains unchained. Nice try.

WTF would I want 'publish my findings' on a website. I simply make a
real-life observation from my experience in over 7 years of commercial CD
and DVD duplication.

geoff

[Richard Crowley]

"geoff" wrote ...
Richard Crowley wrote:
"geoff" wrote ...
If you want specifics, some of the media they list as 4th grade
junk,
I have been using extremely successfully for years as my primary
duplication stock.

They list SKC with a less than 50% success rate. I have never had a
failed burn due to media, and have had no complaints from customers,
CD or DVD, as to deterioration over time.

They als seem to think that some 'brand names' actually manufacture
media for the actual manufacturers !

I called that ****ed up. Maybe they have a stuffed burner ?

OK, then provide the URL of your website whiere you publish
your findings. Else my opinion of which of you is legitimate
vs. a random usenet poster remains unchained. Nice try.

WTF would I want 'publish my findings' on a website.

To establish your credentials. Else you are indistinguishable
from somebody who got lucky with a spindle of cheap discs
from the corner drugstore.

I simply make a real-life observation from my experience in over 7
years of commercial CD and DVD duplication.

OK. Without that statement, we had no way of knowing
what your background, credibility, experience, or sample-
size is.

It isn't a hard concept to grasp: The only thing we know
about you is what you write here. And Usenet (and the
internet in general) is full of poseurs and yahoos. The tone
of your original statement did nothing to imply any kind
of credibility.

[Brett Kline]

Daniel Cohen wrote:


I have never come across Taiyo-Yuden disks at the various UK sites I
have looked at for disks.

I have come across (and they are what I buy) other brands, such as
Verbatim, who use TY dyes.

http://www.dvdshoponline.co.uk/Taiyo-Yuden.html
http://www.dvdshoponline.co.uk/Thats.html

[Randy Yates]

ChairmanOfTheBored writes:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:30:35 +1100, "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:

And why should I add another player when I already have a good CD/MP3 player
in the car. Are you going to pay for it?
Even if you did I don't like loose players rattling around in a car for no
good reason that I can see.


One disc, ten albums. I see the pile of CDs as being what would be
rattling around lose in the car, not to mention the distraction from
driving that changing them would create.

DVDs make far better compilation discs as well.

You think small.

How about a hard drive in your car? How about a complete wireless system
that automatically syncs up with any new items on your home system when
the car is in the garage?

Small-timer.
--
% Randy Yates % "Rollin' and riding and slippin' and
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % sliding, it's magic."
%%% 919-577-9882 %
%%%% % 'Living' Thing', *A New World Record*, ELO
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

[Peter Larsen[_2_]]

Richard Crowley wrote:

I simply make a real-life observation from my experience in over 7
years of commercial CD and DVD duplication.

OK. Without that statement, we had no way of knowing
what your background, credibility, experience, or sample-
size is.

Geoff has been posting occasionally for at least 5 years and hosts the pcdaw
list. You might want to join it btw.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Randy Yates]

ChairmanOfTheBored writes:
[...]
I have several Terabytes of hard drives here, and can
access them via my PS3 wherever I am in the entire world.

Pray tell, how do you access them when driving 70 MPH down
the highway?
--
% Randy Yates % "Watching all the days go by...
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % Who are you and who am I?"
%%% 919-577-9882 % 'Mission (A World Record)',
%%%% % *A New World Record*, ELO
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

[Randy Yates]

ChairmanOfTheBored writes:
[...]
I have several Terabytes of hard drives here, and can access them via
my PS3 wherever I am in the entire world.

I have over a terabyte here at home myself, and can access my
information anywhere there's an internet connection.
--
% Randy Yates % "The dreamer, the unwoken fool -
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % in dreams, no pain will kiss the brow..."
%%% 919-577-9882 %
%%%% % 'Eldorado Overture', *Eldorado*, ELO
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

[Don Pearce]

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:24:31 -0500, Randy Yates
wrote:

ChairmanOfTheBored writes:
[...]
I have several Terabytes of hard drives here, and can
access them via my PS3 wherever I am in the entire world.

Pray tell, how do you access them when driving 70 MPH down
the highway?

You live somewhere that iBurst is deployed. It is the best mobile
broadband system in the world.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Stephen O'Connell]

ChairmanOfTheBored wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:40:10 +1100, "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:


"ChairmanOfTheBored" wrote in message
...
And why should I add another player when I already have a good
CD/MP3 player in the car. Are you going to pay for it?
Even if you did I don't like loose players rattling around in a
car for no good reason that I can see.


One disc, ten albums. I see the pile of CDs as being what would be
rattling around lose in the car, not to mention the distraction from
driving that changing them would create.

Well I can fit 10 albums on an MP3 CDR, which is adequate for my
car, and requires no further investment on my part.

YOUR choices are still up to YOU.

MP3 is lame.

Actually, Lame is the best MP3 encoder! :-)