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On Nov 20, 4:48 pm, landotter wrote:
On Nov 20, 10:28 am, RonSonic wrote: Like so many things I recommend giving this time to prove itself out before acting or speaking rashly. But then, that's how I felt about Global Warmism itself. Short version: The British Met office at Hadley has been allegedly hacked and years of emails and documents were opened and exposed on the internets. The director there confirms the hackage and says that these are indeed their emails and documents. Actually, it looks a lot more like an inside job than an external hacker http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a.../heraldsun/com... Unless someone spent a lot of time writing fake emails the numbers have been subjected to a lot more warming than has our climate. Easy to create a "consensus" if you're willing to just lie to people. Ron How's that corporate dick taste, Ron? Moo! Corporate executives who conspired against the public purse -- like the socalled "climate scientists" Mann, Jones, Briffa and all the rest of the snouts in the IPCC trough did -- would sleep in jail tonight, charged with conspiracy to defraud. There was a time when the global warming chorus wanted to put global warming "deniers" in court. How about fairness and putting this criminal scum in the courts as "global warming manufacturers"? I think we could make a case for the death penalty. The mechanism of multiple murder is clear here. Mann, Jones and Briffa as IPCC authors knowingly lied about global warming; on their "science" trillions was spent on Kyoto and other "global warming" crap; the same money could not be spent on the starving in Africa, so they died. That's a genocide right there. They hung lesser genocides at Nuremberg on much less clear evidence; I would say that the evidence against Mann, Jones and Briffa in particular is overwhelming, and from their own mouths. If this murdering scum had gotten away with their scam, they might have wrecked the only atmosphere our planet has. Since they dealt falsely in apocalyptic panic, the jury should consider the worst that their lies could have brought about (even if it is difficult to conceive of the magnitude of misery that the cost of Kyoto alone could have averted in Africa), which would probably be the starvation of all flora and fauna for lack of CO2 and consequently plant food, and advise the judge to punish them with matching severity, and add a little something as a warning to other scientists who might be considering selling out science as this scum has done. (I know, the executioner can't hang or electrocute them twice, but the judge could have them stood up in a pillory for a couple of days before executing them so that the taxpayers they stole from can come express their opinion directly.) Andre Jute A little, a very little thought will suffice -- John Maynard Keynes |
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On Nov 22, 1:44*am, Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 20, 4:48 pm, landotter wrote: On Nov 20, 10:28 am, RonSonic wrote: Like so many things I recommend giving this time to prove itself out before acting or speaking rashly. But then, that's how I felt about Global Warmism itself. Short version: The British Met office at Hadley has been allegedly hacked and years of emails and documents were opened and exposed on the internets. The director there confirms the hackage and says that these are indeed their emails and documents. Actually, it looks a lot more like an inside job than an external hacker http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a.../heraldsun/com.... Unless someone spent a lot of time writing fake emails the numbers have been subjected to a lot more warming than has our climate. Easy to create a "consensus" if you're willing to just lie to people. Rhttp://start.ubuntu.com/9.10/on How's that corporate dick taste, Ron? Moo! Corporate executives who conspired against the public purse -- like the socalled "climate scientists" Mann, Jones, Briffa and all the rest of the snouts in the IPCC trough did -- would sleep in jail tonight, charged with conspiracy to defraud. There was a time when the global warming chorus wanted to put global warming "deniers" in court. How about fairness and putting this criminal scum in the courts as "global warming manufacturers"? I think we could make a case for the death penalty. The mechanism of multiple murder is clear here. Mann, Jones and Briffa as IPCC authors knowingly lied about global warming; on their "science" trillions was spent on Kyoto and other "global warming" crap; the same money could not be spent on the starving in Africa, so they died. That's a genocide right there. They hung lesser genocides at Nuremberg on muchon How's that corporate dick taste, Ron? Moo! Corporate executives who conspired against the public purse -- like the socalled "climate scientists" Mann, Jones, Briffa and all the rest of the snouts in the IPCC trough did -- would sleep in jail tonight, charged with conspiracy to defraud. less clear evidence; I would say that the evidence against Mann, Jones and Briffa in particular is overwhelming, and from their own mouths. If this murdering scum had gotten away with their scam, they might have wrecked the only atmosphere our planet has. Since they dealt falsely in apocalyptic panic, the jury should consider the worst that their lies could have brought about (even if it is difficult to conceive of the magnitude of misery that the cost of Kyoto alone could have averted in Africa), which would probably be the starvation of all flora and fauna for lack of CO2 and consequently plant food, and advise the judge to punish them with matching severity, and add a little something as a warning to other scientists who might be considering selling out science as this scum has done. (I know, the executioner can't hang or electrocute them twice, but the judge could have them stood up in a pillory for a couple of days before executing them so that the taxpayers they stole from can come express their opinion directly.) Andre Jute *A little, a very little thought will suffice -- John Maynard Keynes In the ****storm of lies--neither you nor Ron [fingermustache:bellamy] nor anyone else have actually provided any evidence of a worldwide conspiracy. Because there is none. It's a true sign of radicalism when you feel that your minority faction has the right to jump to conclusion without any evidence--but when presented with evidence that clearly contradicts your conspiratorial insanity--you'll explain it away. As I've said before--it's classical irrational skepticism--a point of view usually associated with mental illness and internet trolls. Sadly--the fuel for this widespread "movement" of yours is nothing more than lies and cynicism which can be traced back to industry, industry, which as always, is ready to exploit the faulty authoritarian brain. The authoritarian brain doesn't do nuance and has a big throbbing New Jersey roadmap of a hardon for facile blame. It's always "X is the cause of societies ill." "We must get rid of X!!!" Just yesterday I was trying to tune the Grundig in the the garage to NPR and right next to it on the dial, among the endless hysterical shows about religion, a deep belief also held with no evidence, was a woman shrieking and crying as she called into one of these religious shows--about how our current president is exactly like Hitler and ruining her life, even though that's historically not true and she could provide no evidence. It didn't matter--her hysteria was proof enough and it was time to blame. |
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rec.audio.tubes News in the world of Global Warming landotter wrote: On Nov 22, 1:44*am, Andre Jute wrote: On Nov 20, 4:48 pm, landotter wrote: On Nov 20, 10:28 am, RonSonic wrote: Like so many things I recommend giving this time to prove itself out before acting or speaking rashly. But then, that's how I felt about Global Warmism itself. Short version: The British Met office at Hadley has been allegedly hacked and years of emails and documents were opened and exposed on the internets. The director there confirms the hackage and says that these are indeed their emails and documents. Actually, it looks a lot more like an inside job than an external hacker http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a.../heraldsun/com... Unless someone spent a lot of time writing fake emails the numbers have been subjected to a lot more warming than has our climate. Easy to create a "consensus" if you're willing to just lie to people. Rhttp://start.ubuntu.com/9.10/on How's that corporate dick taste, Ron? Moo! Corporate executives who conspired against the public purse -- like the socalled "climate scientists" Mann, Jones, Briffa and all the rest of the snouts in the IPCC trough did -- would sleep in jail tonight, charged with conspiracy to defraud. There was a time when the global warming chorus wanted to put global warming "deniers" in court. How about fairness and putting this criminal scum in the courts as "global warming manufacturers"? I think we could make a case for the death penalty. The mechanism of multiple murder is clear here. Mann, Jones and Briffa as IPCC authors knowingly lied about global warming; on their "science" trillions was spent on Kyoto and other "global warming" crap; the same money could not be spent on the starving in Africa, so they died. That's a genocide right there. They hung lesser genocides at Nuremberg on much less clear evidence; I would say that the evidence against Mann, Jones and Briffa in particular is overwhelming, and from their own mouths. If this murdering scum had gotten away with their scam, they might have wrecked the only atmosphere our planet has. Since they dealt falsely in apocalyptic panic, the jury should consider the worst that their lies could have brought about (even if it is difficult to conceive of the magnitude of misery that the cost of Kyoto alone could have averted in Africa), which would probably be the starvation of all flora and fauna for lack of CO2 and consequently plant food, and advise the judge to punish them with matching severity, and add a little something as a warning to other scientists who might be considering selling out science as this scum has done. (I know, the executioner can't hang or electrocute them twice, but the judge could have them stood up in a pillory for a couple of days before executing them so that the taxpayers they stole from can come express their opinion directly.) Andre Jute *A little, a very little thought will suffice -- John Maynard Keynes In the ****storm of lies--neither you nor Ron [fingermustache:bellamy] nor anyone else have actually provided any evidence of a worldwide conspiracy. Because there is none. This is a straw man. No one claimed that global warming is a worldwide conspiracy. It is widely known that many, many nations and scientists reject the very concept of global warming and carbon emissions control as a pseudo-scientific substitute for politically incorrect racism, the urge to hold down the browns and the yellows. Now see the file you can download at http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U44FST89 What these e-mails -- the very words of the plotters from their own mouths -- prove beyond doubt is that there is a conspiracy among the Anglo-American-Australian axis of global warming "scientists" who are leading writers of IPCC reports. Since it is also clear that they form a claque of mutual support and admiration *and a circle of undue influence* on the media, it is sufficient to prove only a small conspiracy. In fact, the very size and open viciousness of the conspiracy shocked me -- how can adults be as stupid as to think that sort of conspiracy against the public won't be discovered? What sort of "scientist" behaves so arrogantly? It's a true sign of radicalism when you feel that your minority faction has the right to jump to conclusion without any evidence--but when presented with evidence that clearly contradicts your conspiratorial insanity--you'll explain it away. I'm not a conspiracy buff. I believe in the ****up theory of history, among other reasons because criminals, including criminals of state and science, are almost always flawed by arrogance, which is first cousin to stupidity. These "climatologists" clearly conspired criminally to defraud the taxpayer, and insulted our intelligence by lying to us, and then bragged to each other about how they lied to us, swapping tips and tricks to pull more wool over our eyes. Read all about it in the files at http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U44FST89 As for the global warming skeptics being in a "minority", as you claim, bull****. 65 per cent of the populace in the States no longer believed the global warmies' ever more hysterical lies even before the liars were so publicly exposed in their smug gloating. As I've said before--it's classical irrational skepticism--a point of view usually associated with mental illness and internet trolls. Who? The global warmies or the rationalist who have all along asked for proper proof, not precautionary crap and uncosted waste in swingeing attempts at government by accident? Sadly--the fuel for this widespread "movement" of yours is nothing more than lies and cynicism which can be traced back to industry, industry, which as always, is ready to exploit the faulty authoritarian brain. Maxine, you are so deliciously ignorant, you must have taken the evening off to dye your hair blonde. What you're accusing me of is in fact merely that I am a rationalist who prefers science backed by facts to stoking up irrational panics based on lies and playing on people's emotions, which is what the global warmies do all the time. The authoritarian brain doesn't do nuance and has a big throbbing New Jersey roadmap of a hardon for facile blame. It's always "X is the cause of societies ill." "We must get rid of X!!!" What's to "nuance" with a bunch of crooks who lied to get bigger grants? Criminals can be identified as individuals. Even a conspiracy is made up of individuals. Each individual among these self-style "scientists" told individual lies and committed individual frauds in grant applications and in telling lies to the public. Just yesterday I was trying to tune the Grundig in the the garage to NPR and right next to it on the dial, among the endless hysterical shows about religion, a deep belief also held with no evidence, was a woman shrieking and crying as she called into one of these religious shows--about how our current president is exactly like Hitler and ruining her life, even though that's historically not true and she could provide no evidence. It didn't matter--her hysteria was proof enough and it was time to blame. Quite my point. You global warmies behave like religious fundies. That's not science, that's hysteria. Andre Jute Visit Andre's books at http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/THE%20WRITER'S%20HOUSE.html |
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On Nov 22, 9:39*am, landotter wrote:
On Nov 22, 1:44*am, Andre Jute wrote: On Nov 20, 4:48 pm, landotter wrote: On Nov 20, 10:28 am, RonSonic wrote: Like so many things I recommend giving this time to prove itself out before acting or speaking rashly. But then, that's how I felt about Global Warmism itself. Short version: The British Met office at Hadley has been allegedly hacked and years of emails and documents were opened and exposed on the internets. The director there confirms the hackage and says that these are indeed their emails and documents. Actually, it looks a lot more like an inside job than an external hacker http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a.../heraldsun/com... Unless someone spent a lot of time writing fake emails the numbers have been subjected to a lot more warming than has our climate. Easy to create a "consensus" if you're willing to just lie to people. Rhttp://start.ubuntu.com/9.10/on How's that corporate dick taste, Ron? Moo! Corporate executives who conspired against the public purse -- like the socalled "climate scientists" Mann, Jones, Briffa and all the rest of the snouts in the IPCC trough did -- would sleep in jail tonight, charged with conspiracy to defraud. There was a time when the global warming chorus wanted to put global warming "deniers" in court. How about fairness and putting this criminal scum in the courts as "global warming manufacturers"? I think we could make a case for the death penalty. The mechanism of multiple murder is clear here. Mann, Jones and Briffa as IPCC authors knowingly lied about global warming; on their "science" trillions was spent on Kyoto and other "global warming" crap; the same money could not be spent on the starving in Africa, so they died. That's a genocide right there. They hung lesser genocides at Nuremberg on muchon How's that corporate dick taste, Ron? Moo! Corporate executives who conspired against the public purse -- like the socalled "climate scientists" Mann, Jones, Briffa and all the rest of the snouts in the IPCC trough did -- would sleep in jail tonight, charged with conspiracy to defraud. less clear evidence; I would say that the evidence against Mann, Jones and Briffa in particular is overwhelming, and from their own mouths. If this murdering scum had gotten away with their scam, they might have wrecked the only atmosphere our planet has. Since they dealt falsely in apocalyptic panic, the jury should consider the worst that their lies could have brought about (even if it is difficult to conceive of the magnitude of misery that the cost of Kyoto alone could have averted in Africa), which would probably be the starvation of all flora and fauna for lack of CO2 and consequently plant food, and advise the judge to punish them with matching severity, and add a little something as a warning to other scientists who might be considering selling out science as this scum has done. (I know, the executioner can't hang or electrocute them twice, but the judge could have them stood up in a pillory for a couple of days before executing them so that the taxpayers they stole from can come express their opinion directly.) Andre Jute *A little, a very little thought will suffice -- John Maynard Keynes In the ****storm of lies--neither you nor Ron [fingermustache:bellamy] nor anyone else have actually provided any evidence of a worldwide conspiracy. Because there is none. It's a true sign of radicalism when you feel that your minority faction has the right to jump to conclusion without any evidence--but when presented with evidence that clearly contradicts your conspiratorial insanity--you'll explain it away. As I've said before--it's classical irrational skepticism--a point of view usually associated with mental illness and internet trolls. Sadly--the fuel for this widespread "movement" of yours is nothing more than lies and cynicism which can be traced back to industry, industry, which as always, is ready to exploit the faulty authoritarian brain. The authoritarian brain doesn't do nuance and has a big throbbing New Jersey roadmap of a hardon for facile blame. It's always "X is the cause of societies ill." "We must get rid of X!!!" Just yesterday I was trying to tune the Grundig in the the garage to NPR and right next to it on the dial, among the endless hysterical shows about religion, a deep belief also held with no evidence, was a woman shrieking and crying as she called into one of these religious shows--about how our current president is exactly like Hitler and ruining her life, even though that's historically not true and she could provide no evidence. It didn't matter--her hysteria was proof enough and it was time to blame.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't try reason or fact - Andre is impervious to either. Note that he and his proxies are stuttering again. On the assumption that any reasonable person will simply give up and go away leaving them with the last word. What is so sad is that they are so caught up in having the LAST WORD in a tiny little backwater of Usenet with about as much potential for impact on the entire world as they have for bettering their own sad, limited, empty little lives. Let it rest. You will be giving them a gift of momentary victory - more than they have any right to expect and more than they deserve but none-the-less a gift. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA The battles are so vicious because the stakes are so small. |
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Maxine Ott, after exposure by the Hadley Hack ( http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U44FST89 )of way the IPCC and its scientists created global warming out of thin air, whines:: It's a true sign of radicalism when you feel that your minority faction has the right to jump to conclusion without any evidence--but when presented with evidence that clearly contradicts your conspiratorial insanity--you'll explain it away. Andre Jute replied: I'm not a conspiracy buff. I believe in the ****up theory of history, among other reasons because criminals, including criminals of state and science, are almost always flawed by arrogance, which is first cousin to stupidity. These "climatologists" clearly conspired criminally to defraud the taxpayer, and insulted our intelligence by lying to us, and then bragged to each other about how they lied to us, swapping tips and tricks to pull more wool over our eyes. Read all about it in the files at http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U44FST89 Ron Bales thinks: I think you are too quick to throw words like "criminal" around. Jute: There's plenty of cause, Ron. These people knowingly conspired to commit a fraud on the public and did commit a fraud on the public, a very expensive fraud. They did financed this fraud with research grant money. Each of their grant applications, especially if it cites one of their lying papers as support for the application, is a separate attempt to defraud the government. Their combined efforts are a conspiracy. I'm not the first to follow this reasoning to its logical conclusion. At http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/0...ny-university/ you will find an article by the science ethicist Dr.Aubrey Blumsohn explaining how Professor Wei-Chyung Wang of Atmospheric Sciences Research Center at the University at Albany, New York cheated by including imaginary readings in a paper; this paper and Wang himself feature largely in the Hadley Hack, wherefrom it is clear they knew he lied -- and said nothing to the authorities. In short, Wang is one of the insiders whom Edward Wegman condemned before the US Senate as a clique corrupting global warming studies. Hadley CRU capo di capo tuti, Professor Jones, is a co-author of Wang... The upshot was that Doug Keenan, a mathematician, accused Wang of unscientific conduct and was brushed off by the University at Albany. After trying to take the matter up through the university channels, Keenan lodged a complaint to the Public Integrity Bureau at the Office of the Attorney General of New York State, alleging criminal fraud, The logic is in my first par above. Bales: The impression I get are of true believers who cannot accept the evidence before them and are sincerely trying to reconcile it to what they believe must, must be true. Then they must be incredibly stupid, for they created "global warming" out of nothing. *There was no global warming.* There was only the entirely natural temperature uptrend from the Little Ice Age back to temperatures, warmer than today, similar to those in the Medieval Warm Period of several centuries; our present period, including the 1990s, is actually *cold* in the historical perspective of interglacial periods. These people with statistical lies turned a period natural variability into the panic of "global warming". They knew what they were doing. They knew all along it was a lie. Jones of the CRU actually confesses to wanting global warming *still* to happen so they can be proved right -- in short, he admits they know it hasn't happened yet. (After years of such heavy publicity, I'm not surprised that even an intelligent observer can thinks, Well, there must be some global warming, or at least the possibility.) Bales: But then there's that stuff about dodging FOI requests. That's criminal already. As Doug Keenan says, “almost by itself, the withholding of their raw data by [climate] scientists tells us that they are not scientists”. But, more than that, withholding and even more, maliciously destroying materials subject to FOI requests is clearly criminal activity. I hope their universities act against them for that, for these are crimes against learning, but I fear the universities will join in the cover- up, as the U of East Anglia clearly already has. Jute to Maxine Ott-Ott: As for the global warming skeptics being in a "minority", as you claim, bull****. 65 per cent of the populace in the States no longer believed the global warmies' ever more hysterical lies even before the liars were so publicly exposed in their smug gloating. Maxine: As I've said before--it's classical irrational skepticism--a point of view usually associated with mental illness and internet trolls. Jute: Who? The global warmies or the rationalist who have all along asked for proper proof, not precautionary crap and uncosted waste in swingeing attempts at government by accident? Maxine: Sadly--the fuel for this widespread "movement" of yours is nothing more than lies and cynicism which can be traced back to industry, industry, which as always, is ready to exploit the faulty authoritarian brain. Jute: Maxine, you are so deliciously ignorant, you must have taken the evening off to dye your hair blonde. What you're accusing me of is in fact merely that I am a rationalist who prefers science backed by facts to stoking up irrational panics based on lies and playing on people's emotions, which is what the global warmies do all the time. Bales: You miss the interesting point, "global warming deniers are funded by huge corporate interests" while the corporate and governmental interests who profit from the global warming panic are seen as benevolent, somehow. This is something you'll see over and over again in the modern left, but is most prominent here. Jute: Forget for the moment that Fat Al Gore was born to privilege and even then he is an unlikely poster boy for the left. But it is beyond me how his open advocacy of laws that will benefit a brokerage where he is a partner by billions of dollars can fail to attract the condemnation and disgust of any decent person. I conclude that the left has simply become so cynical that decency has fled their house. As if that isn't enough, Fat Al's refusal to debate these matters is open contempt for democracy -- and still the left loves him, proving their authoritarianism. Bales: There are of course many thousands of large companies who earn billions by selling us things like electricity and heat and all the varied sources of energy. We get that, they have something useful and desireable to sell and lobby for the right to sell it. There are also companies with no useful product who profit from the panic. Wind farms? No other industry would ever be permitted to slaughter wildlife the way they do. They need the panic to exist at all, much less get funded by government grants. The carbon credits syndicates are simply crooked from the get go. Solar panel farms as environmentally sensitive, get real. Me, I'm more likely to trust the company that is selling a valued product for profit than the one selling impractical, wasteful or nonexistent rubbish and feel-good lies that depend on government mandates, subsidies and tax credits. Jute: We have eight wind turbines down the road here. They kill a quarter- million birds each every year. My wife feeds the birds in the garden, and the hedgehogs and the foxes that come live in the folly in the winter. I'm withholding that statistic from her. Andre Jute Visit Andre's books at http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/THE%20WRITER'S%20HOUSE.html |
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Writing to yourself again, Andre?
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Writing to yourself again, Andre? Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA He and Ron (a regular poster) were having an exchange. If you think he's using a sock puppet, then why the need to delete (all) the dialog? |
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On Nov 23, 7:28*pm, Peter Wieck wrote:
Writing to yourself again, Andre? Seems like it. He never actually provides any legitimate evidence for his delusions. So bottoms up folks--it's the irrational skeptic drinking game! GURGLE GURGLE GURGLE GURGLE! |
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On Nov 24, 1:51*am, landotter wrote:
He never actually provides any legitimate evidence for his delusions. So bottoms up folks--it's the irrational skeptic drinking game! GURGLE GURGLE GURGLE GURGLE! They why is it necessary to delete *all* my references and argument? Spin me that one, Maxine? Here it is again, straight between the eyes, dear Maxine: ******* Maxine Ott, after exposure by the Hadley Hack ( http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U44FST89 )of way the IPCC and its scientists created global warming out of thin air, whines:: It's a true sign of radicalism when you feel that your minority faction has the right to jump to conclusion without any evidence--but when presented with evidence that clearly contradicts your conspiratorial insanity--you'll explain it away. Andre Jute replied: I'm not a conspiracy buff. I believe in the ****up theory of history, among other reasons because criminals, including criminals of state and science, are almost always flawed by arrogance, which is first cousin to stupidity. These "climatologists" clearly conspired criminally to defraud the taxpayer, and insulted our intelligence by lying to us, and then bragged to each other about how they lied to us, swapping tips and tricks to pull more wool over our eyes. Read all about it in the files at http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U44FST89 Ron Bales thinks: I think you are too quick to throw words like "criminal" around. Jute: There's plenty of cause, Ron. These people knowingly conspired to commit a fraud on the public and did commit a fraud on the public, a very expensive fraud. They did financed this fraud with research grant money. Each of their grant applications, especially if it cites one of their lying papers as support for the application, is a separate attempt to defraud the government. Their combined efforts are a conspiracy. I'm not the first to follow this reasoning to its logical conclusion. At http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/0...ny-university/ you will find an article by the science ethicist Dr.Aubrey Blumsohn explaining how Professor Wei-Chyung Wang of Atmospheric Sciences Research Center at the University at Albany, New York cheated by including imaginary readings in a paper; this paper and Wang himself feature largely in the Hadley Hack, wherefrom it is clear they knew he lied -- and said nothing to the authorities. In short, Wang is one of the insiders whom Edward Wegman condemned before the US Senate as a clique corrupting global warming studies. Hadley CRU capo di capo tuti, Professor Jones, is a co-author of Wang... The upshot was that Doug Keenan, a mathematician, accused Wang of unscientific conduct and was brushed off by the University at Albany. After trying to take the matter up through the university channels, Keenan lodged a complaint to the Public Integrity Bureau at the Office of the Attorney General of New York State, alleging criminal fraud, The logic is in my first par above. Bales: The impression I get are of true believers who cannot accept the evidence before them and are sincerely trying to reconcile it to what they believe must, must be true. Then they must be incredibly stupid, for they created "global warming" out of nothing. *There was no global warming.* There was only the entirely natural temperature uptrend from the Little Ice Age back to temperatures, warmer than today, similar to those in the Medieval Warm Period of several centuries; our present period, including the 1990s, is actually *cold* in the historical perspective of interglacial periods. These people with statistical lies turned a period natural variability into the panic of "global warming". They knew what they were doing. They knew all along it was a lie. Jones of the CRU actually confesses to wanting global warming *still* to happen so they can be proved right -- in short, he admits they know it hasn't happened yet. (After years of such heavy publicity, I'm not surprised that even an intelligent observer can thinks, Well, there must be some global warming, or at least the possibility.) Bales: But then there's that stuff about dodging FOI requests. That's criminal already. As Doug Keenan says, “almost by itself, the withholding of their raw data by [climate] scientists tells us that they are not scientists”. But, more than that, withholding and even more, maliciously destroying materials subject to FOI requests is clearly criminal activity. I hope their universities act against them for that, for these are crimes against learning, but I fear the universities will join in the cover- up, as the U of East Anglia clearly already has. Jute to Maxine Ott-Ott: As for the global warming skeptics being in a "minority", as you claim, bull****. 65 per cent of the populace in the States no longer believed the global warmies' ever more hysterical lies even before the liars were so publicly exposed in their smug gloating. Maxine: As I've said before--it's classical irrational skepticism--a point of view usually associated with mental illness and internet trolls. Jute: Who? The global warmies or the rationalist who have all along asked for proper proof, not precautionary crap and uncosted waste in swingeing attempts at government by accident? Maxine: Sadly--the fuel for this widespread "movement" of yours is nothing more than lies and cynicism which can be traced back to industry, industry, which as always, is ready to exploit the faulty authoritarian brain. Jute: Maxine, you are so deliciously ignorant, you must have taken the evening off to dye your hair blonde. What you're accusing me of is in fact merely that I am a rationalist who prefers science backed by facts to stoking up irrational panics based on lies and playing on people's emotions, which is what the global warmies do all the time. Bales: You miss the interesting point, "global warming deniers are funded by huge corporate interests" while the corporate and governmental interests who profit from the global warming panic are seen as benevolent, somehow. This is something you'll see over and over again in the modern left, but is most prominent here. Jute: Forget for the moment that Fat Al Gore was born to privilege and even then he is an unlikely poster boy for the left. But it is beyond me how his open advocacy of laws that will benefit a brokerage where he is a partner by billions of dollars can fail to attract the condemnation and disgust of any decent person. I conclude that the left has simply become so cynical that decency has fled their house. As if that isn't enough, Fat Al's refusal to debate these matters is open contempt for democracy -- and still the left loves him, proving their authoritarianism. Bales: There are of course many thousands of large companies who earn billions by selling us things like electricity and heat and all the varied sources of energy. We get that, they have something useful and desireable to sell and lobby for the right to sell it. There are also companies with no useful product who profit from the panic. Wind farms? No other industry would ever be permitted to slaughter wildlife the way they do. They need the panic to exist at all, much less get funded by government grants. The carbon credits syndicates are simply crooked from the get go. Solar panel farms as environmentally sensitive, get real. Me, I'm more likely to trust the company that is selling a valued product for profit than the one selling impractical, wasteful or nonexistent rubbish and feel-good lies that depend on government mandates, subsidies and tax credits. Jute: We have eight wind turbines down the road here. They kill a quarter- million birds each every year. My wife feeds the birds in the garden, and the hedgehogs and the foxes that come live in the folly in the winter. I'm withholding that statistic from her. Andre Jute Visit Andre's books at http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/THE%20WRITER'S%20HOUSE.html |
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Should the global warming fraudsters be criminally proseccuted?
On Nov 23, 8:17*pm, Andre Jute wrote:
drivel Your source is the blog of a right wing television weatherman? GURGLE GURGLE GURGLE GURGLE! |
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Should the global warming fraudsters be criminally proseccuted?
On Nov 24, 2:32*am, landotter wrote:
On Nov 23, 8:17*pm, Andre Jute wrote: drivel Your source is the blog of a right wing television weatherman? GURGLE GURGLE GURGLE GURGLE! You don't have any answers to the confessions of criminal destruction of data and conspiracy to defraud the public purse by your heroes, do you Maxine von Ottbott? http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U44FST89 Andre Jute Thumbs well clear of the bricks |
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Should the global warming fraudsters be criminally proseccuted?
On Nov 23, 8:49*pm, Andre Jute wrote:
[[chirp chirp chirp] Still can't link to a legitimate source for your paranoid delusions? How long do you want to play this game? You can get the last word in as many times as you'd like--if you don't mind proving the point over and over again that you're mentally unstable. If I needed to convince you and your buddy right wing Ron of something that's accepted science, like natural selection--I could link you to thousands of sites--but you need to upload "secret turds" to a web hosting site? GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG! |
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News in the world of Global Warming
Andre Jute wrote in
: We have eight wind turbines down the road here. They kill a quarter- million birds each every year. My wife feeds the birds in the garden, and the hedgehogs and the foxes that come live in the folly in the winter. I'm withholding that statistic from her. This is nonsense. It's a factor of 10^6 higher than most reasonable estimates of bird kills from wind turbines. The only reason you withhold this from your wife is if you told her, she would think you were battier than she already does. e.g., http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/...environmental- correlates-of-soaring-bird-mortality-at-on-shore-wind-turbines/ http://tinyurl.com/ybxj3j7 -- Bill Asher |
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On Nov 23, 9:14*pm, William Asher wrote:
Andre Jute wrote : We have eight wind turbines down the road here. They kill a quarter- million birds each every year. My wife feeds the birds in the garden, and the hedgehogs and the foxes that come live in the folly in the winter. I'm withholding that statistic from her. This is nonsense. *It's a factor of 10^6 higher than most reasonable estimates of bird kills from wind turbines. *The only reason you withhold this from your wife is if you told her, she would think you were battier than she already does. * e.g., http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/...environmental- correlates-of-soaring-bird-mortality-at-on-shore-wind-turbines/ http://tinyurl.com/ybxj3j7 8 wind turbines killing 250,000 birds per year would be 85 dead birds per day on the ground under each turbine. The stench must be incredible (incredible = not credible). Ben |
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News in the world of Global Warming
William Asher wrote:
Andre Jute wrote in : We have eight wind turbines down the road here. They kill a quarter- million birds each every year. My wife feeds the birds in the garden, and the hedgehogs and the foxes that come live in the folly in the winter. I'm withholding that statistic from her. This is nonsense. It's a factor of 10^6 higher than most reasonable estimates of bird kills from wind turbines. The only reason you withhold this from your wife is if you told her, she would think you were battier than she already does. Jute's 685 bird deaths per turbine per day would lead to fields full of rotting carcasses, no? e.g., http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/...environmental- correlates-of-soaring-bird-mortality-at-on-shore-wind-turbines/ http://tinyurl.com/ybxj3j7 Don't be bringing facts into the debate! -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On Nov 23, 11:14*pm, William Asher wrote:
Andre Jute wrote : We have eight wind turbines down the road here. They kill a quarter- million birds each every year. My wife feeds the birds in the garden, and the hedgehogs and the foxes that come live in the folly in the winter. I'm withholding that statistic from her. This is nonsense. *It's a factor of 10^6 higher than most reasonable estimates of bird kills from wind turbines. *The only reason you withhold this from your wife is if you told her, she would think you were battier than she already does. * e.g., http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/...environmental- correlates-of-soaring-bird-mortality-at-on-shore-wind-turbines/ http://tinyurl.com/ybxj3j7 -- Bill Asher Again, you are wasting your time debating with invincible ignorance. Andre cannot count - accordingly no one else can count either. A modern 200' (60m) turbine turns at something around 16 RPM, with a tip-speed of something like 115mph (184kph), and makes approximately 2 meg of power under design-wind conditions. Given also that most of them have three blades, that means a blade passes any given point about every 1.25 seconds. The 55 turbines of this size along SR 61 in Centralia, PA are calculated to have a vanishingly small effect on bird populations even though they are along a significant raptor migratory route. If they were doing even anything like 20 birds per day in total, you can bet that the Hawk Mountain Sanctuary nearby would be all over the news. They don't and they aren't. http://www.hawkmountain.org/ Given that this is crossposted in the tube group so his position in the bicycle group is fair-game, and as long as we are in the realm of wild speculation given Andre's general credibility has anyone he a) Actually seen Andre on a bicycle? b) Actually seen Andre with a bicycle? It has been established that he does lead a rich and full fantasy life - and given his fantasies about non-existent tube projects, non- existent audio accomplishments and so forth and his near-complete retreat from the tube groups (at least as on-topic posts are concerned) I expect that his life on the bicycle groups is equally rich and fantastic. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA The battles are so vicious because the stakes are so small. |
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On Nov 24, 10:02*am, Peter Wieck wrote:
On Nov 23, 11:14*pm, William Asher wrote: Andre Jute wrote : We have eight wind turbines down the road here. They kill a quarter- million birds each every year. My wife feeds the birds in the garden, and the hedgehogs and the foxes that come live in the folly in the winter. I'm withholding that statistic from her. This is nonsense. *It's a factor of 10^6 higher than most reasonable estimates of bird kills from wind turbines. *The only reason you withhold this from your wife is if you told her, she would think you were battier than she already does. * e.g., http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/...environmental- correlates-of-soaring-bird-mortality-at-on-shore-wind-turbines/ http://tinyurl.com/ybxj3j7 -- Bill Asher Again, you are wasting your time debating with invincible ignorance. Andre cannot count - accordingly no one else can count either. Invincible ignorance? Brilliant! Jute does have a bit of an Ignatius J. Reilly thing going on! *Given that this is crossposted in the tube group so his position in the bicycle group is fair-game, and as long as we are in the realm of wild speculation given Andre's general credibility has anyone he a) Actually seen Andre on a bicycle? b) Actually seen Andre with a bicycle? It has been established that he does lead a rich and full fantasy life - and given his fantasies about non-existent tube projects, non- existent audio accomplishments and so forth and his near-complete retreat from the tube groups (at least as on-topic posts are concerned) I expect that his life on the bicycle groups is equally rich and fantastic. Ask him about the hermaphrodite he rides that's accented with coach lines! |
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On Nov 24, 11:52*am, landotter wrote:
Ask him about the hermaphrodite he rides that's accented with coach lines! I doubt Mr. Jute is able to manage one sex - much less two in combination. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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On Nov 24, 4:14*am, William Asher wrote:
Andre Jute wrote : We have eight wind turbines down the road here. They kill a quarter- million birds each every year. My wife feeds the birds in the garden, and the hedgehogs and the foxes that come live in the folly in the winter. I'm withholding that statistic from her. This is nonsense. *It's a factor of 10^6 higher than most reasonable estimates of bird kills from wind turbines. *The only reason you withhold this from your wife is if you told her, she would think you were battier than she already does. * e.g., http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/...environmental- correlates-of-soaring-bird-mortality-at-on-shore-wind-turbines/ http://tinyurl.com/ybxj3j7 -- Bill Asher A little troll trailed across the roiled waters to get you, William Asher, and that other lying global warmie Ben Weiner out of hiding to tell us what you think of the way Phil Jones, Michael Mann, and that entire gang of global warming thugs have brought all of science and particularly climate studies into disrepute with their lies, arrogance, crookery, fraud and thuggery against dissenters, as they have confessed in their own words in http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U44FST89 Andre Jute “We must get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.” -- Jonathan Overpeck, climate "scientist", IPCC writer |
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Andre Jute wrote:
“We must get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.” -- Jonathan Overpeck, climate "scientist", IPCC writer Overpeck over-reached? LOL Bill "insert (so to speak) own joke here" S. |
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On Nov 24, 6:15*am, "
wrote: On Nov 23, 9:14*pm, William Asher wrote: Andre Jute wrote : We have eight wind turbines down the road here. They kill a quarter- million birds each every year. My wife feeds the birds in the garden, and the hedgehogs and the foxes that come live in the folly in the winter. I'm withholding that statistic from her. This is nonsense. *It's a factor of 10^6 higher than most reasonable estimates of bird kills from wind turbines. *The only reason you withhold this from your wife is if you told her, she would think you were battier than she already does. * e.g., http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/...environmental- correlates-of-soaring-bird-mortality-at-on-shore-wind-turbines/ http://tinyurl.com/ybxj3j7 8 wind turbines killing 250,000 birds per year would be 85 dead birds per day on the ground under each turbine. The stench must be incredible (incredible = not credible). Ben A little troll trailed across the roiled waters to get you, Ben Weiner, and that other lying global warmie Bill Asher out of hiding to tell us what you think of the way Phil Jones, Michael Mann, and that entire gang of global warming thugs have brought all of science and particularly climate studies into disrepute with their lies, arrogance, crookery, fraud and thuggery against dissenters, as they have confessed in their own words in http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U44FST89 I just lurf the way you clowns can spend a ton of bandwidth on me adding a couple of noughts to birdkills at fewer than a double handful wind turbines, but you have nothing to say about the scummy, crooked and unscientific behaviour of the leaders in the so-called science of climatology. Andre Jute “We must get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.” -- Jonathan Overpeck, climate "scientist", IPCC writer, all-round honest chappie |
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On Nov 24, 1:07*pm, Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 24, 4:14*am, William Asher wrote: Andre Jute wrote : We have eight wind turbines down the road here. They kill a quarter- million birds each every year. My wife feeds the birds in the garden, and the hedgehogs and the foxes that come live in the folly in the winter. I'm withholding that statistic from her. This is nonsense. *It's a factor of 10^6 higher than most reasonable estimates of bird kills from wind turbines. *The only reason you withhold this from your wife is if you told her, she would think you were battier than she already does. * e.g., http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/...environmental- correlates-of-soaring-bird-mortality-at-on-shore-wind-turbines/ http://tinyurl.com/ybxj3j7 -- Bill Asher A little troll trailed across the roiled waters to get you, William Asher, and that other lying global warmie Ben Weiner out of hiding to tell us what you think of the way Phil Jones, Michael Mann, and that entire gang of global warming thugs have brought all of science and particularly climate studies into disrepute with their lies, arrogance, crookery, fraud and thuggery against dissenters, as they have confessed in their own words in *http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U44FST89 Andre Jute *“We must get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.” -- Jonathan Overpeck, climate "scientist", IPCC writer Why is this thread so long without you presenting any legitimate evidence yet? BTW, the midieval warm period was a regional, not global phenomenon. It's popularly brought up by ignorant dooshbags--serving as a memetic warning cry of dumbassery. |
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Andre Jute wrote:
A little troll trailed across the roiled waters to get you, William Asher, and that other lying global warmie Ben Weiner out of hiding to tell us what you think of the way Phil Jones, Michael Mann, and that entire gang of global warming thugs have brought all of science and particularly climate studies into disrepute with their lies, arrogance, crookery, fraud and thuggery against dissenters, as they have confessed in their own words in http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U44FST89 The problem with that tactic is that you'll never convince me that was what you were trying to do, and likely a lot of other people will feel the same way as me. So while it may feel like a victory to you, it's only damaged your reputation. Whenever you want to talk about the physics of climate, and problems you see therein, I'm here. Otherwise, you don't really have much to say that's of interest. -- Bill Asher |
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I just lurf the way you clowns can spend a ton of bandwidth on me adding a couple of noughts to birdkills at fewer than a double handful wind turbines, but you have nothing to say about the scummy, crooked and unscientific behaviour of the leaders in the so-called science of climatology. You can find my public comment on "The Hack" posted at RealClimate.org. Happy hunting. -- Bill Asher |
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On the hypocrisy of that worthless pair Asher and Weiner, was News in the world of Global Warming
On Nov 24, 8:10*pm, William Asher wrote:
Andre Jute wrote: A little troll trailed across the roiled waters to get you, William Asher, and that other lying global warmie Ben Weiner out of hiding to tell us what you think of the way Phil Jones, Michael Mann, and that entire gang of global warming thugs have brought all of science and particularly climate studies into disrepute with their lies, arrogance, crookery, fraud and thuggery against dissenters, as they have confessed in their own words in *http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U44FST89 The problem with that tactic is that you'll never convince me that was what you were trying to do, and likely a lot of other people will feel the same way as me. *So while it may feel like a victory to you, it's only damaged your reputation. * You still haven't got it, have you, Asher? What good can the opinion of a bunch of gullible tenth-raters do me? I don't care **** for your opinion, and the opinion of the rest of the little tenth-rate trendies, because I don't have to, sonny. But what I've proved with the post is important: that you, William Asher, and Ben Weiner, lurk in the shadows biting your tongues when something adverse to global warming is reported and discussed but rush out to get your kicks in when you see an opportunity for character assassination. Have I said yet that the pair of you are worthless scum, not worthy of the name scientist? Whenever you want to talk about the physics of climate, and problems you see therein, The only problem I see is manmade global warming created by Mann, Jones and that crowd of liars, frauds and crooks who have the cheek to call themselves scientists. I'm here. * Yes, but, as I have repeatedly demonstrated, you don't know ****, Asher. You're worthless. Otherwise, you don't really have much to say that's of interest. * That's good. Get off the pavement when you see me coming, touch your forelock, and I won't analyze your lies in public. Andre Jute I learned my polemics in places where second prize is a bullet in the back of the neck. Where did you learn yours? |
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The importance of the Medieval Warm Period to global warming
On Nov 24, 7:37*pm, landotter wrote:
BTW, the midieval warm period was a regional, not global phenomenon. It's popularly brought up by ignorant dooshbags--serving as a memetic warning cry of dumbassery. The Medieval Warm Period is firmly established in interdisciplinary science as girdling the globe. See http://www.john-daly.com/hockey/hockey.htm That is why the Medieval Warm Period is so unpopular with the global warming impressionables, because it is incontestable, proof positive that global warming not only didn't happen in the 1990s but is very, very, very^47 unlikely to happen in any foreseeable future. That is why so many climate "scientists" such as Mann and Jones and Briffa have ruined their reputations concocting spurious statistical "tricks" to lie the Medieval Warm Period out of existence. But the historical truth is a hardy breed that refuses to die. Andre Jute Visit Jute on Bicycles at http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/...20CYCLING.html |
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