[Nate Najar]

I've got a DPA 4099G demo on its way to me. good timing, I have a gig
next week in a 100 seat theater space with my trio and I was going to
shoot video for the internets. so I'll multitrack it too.....

the dpa 4099G is a miniature shotgun with a special guitar mount.
we'll see how it does. my trio is me on classical guitar, an upright
bass and drums. even with my schoeps mk41, I still can't get a decent
live recorded sound because of quietudeness (i made that word up) of
the guitar. of course i use an amp and pickup but I don't ever ever
ever want to record that!

I have a set of dpa 4061 miniature omni lavs and in the past I've put
one in the guitar. it sounds better than a pickup but doesn't really
sound like a guitar- sounds like the inside of the guitar! the 4061
is really great on the upright bass though- it has a little mount for
the strings to place it under the bridge near the body, and since it's
an omni, there's no proximity effect that close!

so I think what I'll do is use the new 4099 on the guitar, the 4061
omni lav on the bass and my schoeps 641's on the drums. I have a true
systems 8 channel mic pre so that should be ok. maudio fw crap into
my laptop. if only I had decent converters. oh well. I wish i
played better too!

probably put a pair of josephson series 4 in the back of the room to
catch applause and ambiance..... where's the best place to do that in
relation to the stage? the room is pretty much a rectangle with 12
foot ceilings, exposed joists. stage is along the long wall. the
stage is just a platform made of 2x6 and plywood.

probably run a mono mix to the camera for a safety copy

this is fun, I hope I do ok!

Nate

[Mike Rivers]

On 2/3/2011 4:19 PM, Nate Najar wrote:
I've got a DPA 4099G demo on its way to me. good timing, I have a gig
next week in a 100 seat theater space with my trio and I was going to
shoot video for the internets. so I'll multitrack it too....

I was playing around with one at the AES show last year. I
don't think I've ever heard a better demonstration of how
much a small change in position can affect the sound of a
guitar. Hopefully you'll have some time to experiment with
it before the upcoming gig and find a position that gets a
sound that you like. You'll probably find some positions
that you don't like.


--
"Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be
operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

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interesting audio stuff

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 16:19:11 -0500, Nate Najar wrote
(in article
):

I've got a DPA 4099G demo on its way to me. good timing, I have a gig
next week in a 100 seat theater space with my trio and I was going to
shoot video for the internets. so I'll multitrack it too.....

the dpa 4099G is a miniature shotgun with a special guitar mount.
we'll see how it does. my trio is me on classical guitar, an upright
bass and drums. even with my schoeps mk41, I still can't get a decent
live recorded sound because of quietudeness (i made that word up) of
the guitar. of course i use an amp and pickup but I don't ever ever
ever want to record that!

I have a set of dpa 4061 miniature omni lavs and in the past I've put
one in the guitar. it sounds better than a pickup but doesn't really
sound like a guitar- sounds like the inside of the guitar! the 4061
is really great on the upright bass though- it has a little mount for
the strings to place it under the bridge near the body, and since it's
an omni, there's no proximity effect that close!

so I think what I'll do is use the new 4099 on the guitar, the 4061
omni lav on the bass and my schoeps 641's on the drums. I have a true
systems 8 channel mic pre so that should be ok. maudio fw crap into
my laptop. if only I had decent converters. oh well. I wish i
played better too!

probably put a pair of josephson series 4 in the back of the room to
catch applause and ambiance..... where's the best place to do that in
relation to the stage? the room is pretty much a rectangle with 12
foot ceilings, exposed joists. stage is along the long wall. the
stage is just a platform made of 2x6 and plywood.

probably run a mono mix to the camera for a safety copy

this is fun, I hope I do ok!

Nate

Nate,

Reviewed it last year. Not a big fan. It's an exposed mic mounted on a
relatively quiet instrument. Unless you have lots of other quiet instruments
or lots of distance, you'll get leakage.

Trio as in guitar bass and drums?

Stay away from the drums!

I think a better solution is a K&K Pure Western Mini.

Regards,

Ty Ford




--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA

[Nate Najar]

On Feb 3, 5:49*pm, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 2/3/2011 4:19 PM, Nate Najar wrote:

I've got a DPA 4099G demo on its way to me. *good timing, I have a gig
next week in a 100 seat theater space with my trio and I was going to
shoot video for the internets. *so I'll multitrack it too....

I was playing around with one at the AES show last year. I
don't think I've ever heard a better demonstration of how
much a small change in position can affect the sound of a
guitar. Hopefully you'll have some time to experiment with
it before the upcoming gig and find a position that gets a
sound that you like. You'll probably find some positions
that you don't like.

--
"Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be
operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com- useful and
interesting audio stuff

wow mike you weren't kidding.

It arrived this morning. I just spent about 2 hours with headphones
on moving the thing around. keep in mind I'm not a steel string
strummer, i'm a classical player (with the occasional rasquedo).

I found a position that sounded very good and rather even
dynamically. on my guitar that's about 2 inches off the fingerboard
centered on the 15h fret. a lot of positions sucked. very little
change in the direction of the capsule is all that's needed to change
it up pretty drastically.

the next test will be how it holds up with a rhythm section behind
me. of course I don't care about bleed as long it doesn't sound bad
and also doesn't overpower or mask the sound of the guitar. we'll
see. more to report in the coming week......

N

[Ty Ford]

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 13:54:10 -0500, Nate Najar wrote
(in article
):

On Feb 3, 5:49*pm, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 2/3/2011 4:19 PM, Nate Najar wrote:

I've got a DPA 4099G demo on its way to me. *good timing, I have a gig
next week in a 100 seat theater space with my trio and I was going to
shoot video for the internets. *so I'll multitrack it too....

I was playing around with one at the AES show last year. I
don't think I've ever heard a better demonstration of how
much a small change in position can affect the sound of a
guitar. Hopefully you'll have some time to experiment with
it before the upcoming gig and find a position that gets a
sound that you like. You'll probably find some positions
that you don't like.

--
"Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be
operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com- useful and
interesting audio stuff

wow mike you weren't kidding.

It arrived this morning. I just spent about 2 hours with headphones
on moving the thing around. keep in mind I'm not a steel string
strummer, i'm a classical player (with the occasional rasquedo).

I found a position that sounded very good and rather even
dynamically. on my guitar that's about 2 inches off the fingerboard
centered on the 15h fret. a lot of positions sucked. very little
change in the direction of the capsule is all that's needed to change
it up pretty drastically.

the next test will be how it holds up with a rhythm section behind
me. of course I don't care about bleed as long it doesn't sound bad
and also doesn't overpower or mask the sound of the guitar. we'll
see. more to report in the coming week......

N

Nate,

Another slightly weird thing I recall was that moving the mic closer reduced
the LF response. I expected closer to have more LF response. I think I got it
best at an inch or so off the face.

If you're singing while playing, expect your voice to get into the mic as
well, especially if you're looking down at the neck for finger placement.

My thought is that it may add a little something to an existing pickup, but I
wouldn't want to be out there in a combo with only that on my guitar.

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA

[Scott Dorsey]

Ty Ford wrote:

Another slightly weird thing I recall was that moving the mic closer reduced
the LF response. I expected closer to have more LF response. I think I got it
best at an inch or so off the face.

That would make sense if the LF was coming out of a different place than the
high end.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Nate Najar]

On Feb 8, 11:11*am, Ty Ford wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 13:54:10 -0500, Nate Najar wrote
(in article
):





On Feb 3, 5:49*pm, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 2/3/2011 4:19 PM, Nate Najar wrote:

I've got a DPA 4099G demo on its way to me. *good timing, I have a gig
next week in a 100 seat theater space with my trio and I was going to
shoot video for the internets. *so I'll multitrack it too....

I was playing around with one at the AES show last year. I
don't think I've ever heard a better demonstration of how
much a small change in position can affect the sound of a
guitar. Hopefully you'll have some time to experiment with
it before the upcoming gig and find a position that gets a
sound that you like. You'll probably find some positions
that you don't like.

--
"Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be
operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com-useful and
interesting audio stuff

wow mike you weren't kidding.

It arrived this morning. *I just spent about 2 hours with headphones
on moving the thing around. *keep in mind I'm not a steel string
strummer, i'm a classical player (with the occasional rasquedo).

I found a position that sounded very good and rather even
dynamically. *on my guitar that's about 2 inches off the fingerboard
centered on the 15h fret. *a lot of positions sucked. *very little
change in the direction of the capsule is all that's needed to change
it up pretty drastically.

the next test will be how it holds up with a rhythm section behind
me. *of course I don't care about bleed as long it doesn't sound bad
and also doesn't overpower or mask the sound of the guitar. *we'll
see. *more to report in the coming week......

N

Nate,

Another slightly weird thing I recall was that moving the mic closer reduced
the LF response. I expected closer to have more LF response. I think I got it
best at an inch or so off the face.

If you're singing while playing, expect your voice to get into the mic as
well, especially if you're looking down at the neck for finger placement.

My thought is that it may add a little something to an existing pickup, but I
wouldn't want to be out there in a combo with only that on my guitar.

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demoshttp://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA

thanks for the advice. in my room here at the house with headphones
on I was surprised at how much of the room I was hearing.... so you're
right it's going to get all the other sounds. i'm not using it for SR
though, just recording, and I will have a pickup track although i hate
to have to use it. my schoeps mk41 doesn't work in this environment-
too much bleed very little guitar- but i can get this dpa closer to
the guitar than the schoeps.

the only thing that has worked pretty well is the little dpa miniature
omni stuck in the soundhole..... the problem is that it doesn't sound
like a guitar- it sounds like a boxy inside of a guitar. but at least
it's woody and warm and not a pickup. I was hoping this 4099 would do
better. we'll see tonight!

I wish i had just been a piano player. a nylon string guitar doesn't
exist in nature in a jazz ensemble- you HAVE to amplify it. so
anytime you record studio or live you have to create an artificial
reality. I envy tenor players who can just pull out a horn and blow!

N

[Nate Najar]

On Feb 8, 11:40*am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Ty Ford wrote:



Another slightly weird thing I recall was that moving the mic closer reduced
the LF response. I expected closer to have more LF response. I think I got it
best at an inch or so off the face.

That would make sense if the LF was coming out of a different place than the
high end. *
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

yeah it's pretty directional- the closer to the fingerboard, the less
of the soundhole air is getting to it, so less lowend.

N