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Just when you thought it was safe again
PStamler wrote:
On Jan 12, 7:44 pm, Sam Trenholme wrote: Both of you: TAKE IT OFFLINE!!! A gentle suggestion: Do what other people do and get a newsreader with killfiles (the ability to filter obnoxious posters). One good site for accessing Usenet is aioe.org once you get said newsreader. I find Usenet unusable these days without killfile support. My problem is that my ISP (AT&T), like many others, doesn't carry Usenet, so pretty much the only option I have it to read RAP via Google Groups, which doesn't have a killfile function. I could change ISPs, but I get a pretty good deal on AT&T, and in all respects except Usenet it's worked for me. Easy solution. Install Thunderbird as a newsreader, and use news.aioe.org as your news server. Or use the server at:- http://www.eternal-september.org/ Both are free. As far as I know, the ISPs that are dropping Usenet are only doing it by closing down their servers, not by blocking the port. If that's the case, there are workarounds. ATT even say that users may use third party vendors for usenet support. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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Just when you thought it was safe again
Paul writes:
My problem is that my ISP (AT&T), like many others, doesn't carry Usenet, so pretty much the only option I have it to read RAP via Google Groups, which doesn't have a killfile function. I could change ISPs, but I get a pretty good deal on AT&T, and in all respects except Usenet it's worked for me. Albasani is also free, and works from the standard port which is still open from At&T. DOn't do the www thing so signed up with them via an email, but I'm sure doing a google on the archives of this group will point you to their web portal to sign up. USE the newsreader you used to like and give Screwgle the one finger salute. HEck of it is Google's doing some damned nice stuff with making sure their archiving of old books is accessible to folks like me, and I applaud them for that, but what they've allowed to happen via their usenet portal is inexcusable. For a company whose ethos is "first do no evil" they've sure urinated on the rest of usenet. Regards, Richard .... Remote audio in the southland: See www.gatasound.com -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. |
#83
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On 1/13/2011 1:19 AM, PStamler wrote:
On Jan 12, 7:44 pm, Sam wrote: Both of you: TAKE IT OFFLINE!!! A gentle suggestion: Do what other people do and get a newsreader with killfiles (the ability to filter obnoxious posters). One good site for accessing Usenet is aioe.org once you get said newsreader. I find Usenet unusable these days without killfile support. My problem is that my ISP (AT&T), like many others, doesn't carry Usenet, so pretty much the only option I have it to read RAP via Google Groups, which doesn't have a killfile function. I could change ISPs, but I get a pretty good deal on AT&T, and in all respects except Usenet it's worked for me. Peace, Paul try news.eternal-september.org |
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danny the dummy taddei...............total whackjob!!
"Mr Soul" wrote in message ... Well that was a long article. He approaches things from a viewpoint that I don'tsubscribe to so I find fault with his ideas. I think we're basic. I think that if we are brought up to believe in the humanist religion we act humanist. If we are brought up in another, we act that way. Most people are humanists these days so most people subscribe to the myth of "its all good". Since I am the unpopular man out in Christianity, most would not understand my simple thoughts. I just think people are selfish creeps that have been taught to think no one else matters but themselves and the best thing to do is say screw it and take what you can, give nothing back.- Hide quoted text - Sorry but Christian-like is the last word that I would describe you to someone who didn't know you. Narcissistic, arrogant, self-serving/ promoting would be the words that come to mind most quickly. And don't forget delusional.!!! And then after you threatened to come to NH to beat me up, I would probably add violent & mean to those ways.'' ' LOL! danny the dummy is a little spoilt rich kid and a coward and couldn't hurt a flea. |
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danny the dummy taddei...............total whackjob!!
"Danny T" wrote in message ... On Jan 10, 3:50 pm, Mr Soul wrote: No idea. I seldom look at who writes the words - I just respond to whats written Well you must be because he's accused me of posting as you. This is the second time he's accused me of posting as someone else. He does that every time someone says something negative about him, so as to appear to minimize the damage. Mike C What I accuse you of, you are guilty of. You try to start crap with me all the time because you felt shunned. You know and I know the truth and your actions are available through many archives. That's all you'll get from me. that and a case of the clap. |
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"Danny T" wrote in message ... On Jan 11, 11:25 am, Sam Trenholme wrote: Many of us could care less children. Take your bull**** somewhere else. I hate to sound like someone from AOL, but "me too". Seriously, it is really tedious to read people flaming each other. Take it to email or just killfile each other. - Sam -- #Sam Trenholmehttp://samiam.org-- Usenet user since September 1993# ######## My email address is athttp://samiam.org/mailme.php######## # The following script works around an annoyance in the Nano Editor # cat | awk '{a=a $0 "\n";if($0 ~ /[a-zA-Z0-9]/){printf("%s",a);a=""}}' What do you call someone that injects his worthless opinion into someone else's business? "danny the christian"? |
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writers of total whackjob!!
First of all, I'm fairly well off because I work for a living and make money based on my intelligence just like anyone else. Second, If you think I'm a coward, show your face to me and say it you enormous piece of ****. Lastly, stop sniffing my butt. You little liberal creeps follow me around hoping you can make a name for yourself by being a pain in the ass to me. Do you really get your willies off doing this? If you want, I'll send you a picture of me in a swim suit. It will be a lot easy for you. |
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danny taddei, never sold a unit in his sad sack life, whining about "artists rights"...LOL!
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:58:41 -0500, The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker.
wrote (in article ): Who gives a crap? You got nothing better to do than crank on somebody. Step away from the computer and get a life. Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA |
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danny taddei, never sold a unit in his sad sack life, whiningabout "artists rights"...LOL!
On Jan 21, 9:36*pm, Ty Ford wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:58:41 -0500, The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker.. wrote (in article ): Who gives a crap? You got nothing better to do than crank on somebody. Step away from the computer and get a life. Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demoshttp://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA I don't even care |
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...LOL!
On Jan 21, 9:36*pm, Ty Ford wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:58:41 -0500, The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker.. wrote (in article ): Who gives a crap? You got nothing better to do than crank on somebody. Step away from the computer and get a life. Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demoshttp://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA I don't even care |
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writers of total whackjob!!
Danny T wrote:
First of all, I'm fairly well off because I work for a living and make money based on my intelligence just like anyone else. Fine, so you have some common sense. It is OK to use it before posting. Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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danny taddei, never sold a unit in his sad sack life, whining ab
Ty Ford writes:
Step away from the computer and get a life. THey can't do that, as you'll see by the time you reach this one. NOne of the three of them, MR. three chords DAnny or Mike can find one of those. They're not sold at WAlmart. Regards, Richard .... 10% of everything isn't crap, watch closely or you'll miss it! -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. |
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why don't people mind their own business
On Jan 22, 12:02*pm,
(Richard Webb) wrote: Ty Ford writes: Step away from the computer and get a life. THey can't do that, as you'll see by the time you reach this one. *NOne of the three of them, MR. three chords DAnny or Mike can find one of those. They're not sold at WAlmart. Regards, * * * * * *Richard ... 10% of everything isn't crap, watch closely or you'll miss it! -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. Look, I really don't like people bad mouthing my name and if someone posts something about me it is my right to defend myself. If you feel the need to egg these ****heads on then you're on their level of ****headedness. Mind your own ****ing business and keep you asshole opinions to yourself. As for units sold, If you really feel the need to know, this month I made a whooping $273 from CD Baby. I don't know what I'll get, if any, from ASCAP. I DON"T GIVE A CRAP - WHY SHOULD YOU! I RETIRED YEARS AGO! Now run along like a good little doggy and **** on someone else's tree |
#94
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why don't people mind their own business
Danny T wrote in news:e3ce07c8-1118-4681-9976-
: Mind your own ****ing business and keep you asshole opinions to yourself. Good advice, you should use it.....oops! |
#95
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Just when you thought it was safe again
You left out the word "illegally" and yes, it is a lost sale. *For some reason you're fixated on the "industry" and the technology; totally ignoring the artist. *The vast majority of todays music is being being created by "Indie" artists who write the music, produce their own recordings and do their own marketing. *The "Industry" doesn't give us a dime. Steve Hawkins People stopped thinking right and wrong a long time ago - now they think proof, get away with it, ..... all sorts of things but not right and wrong. I was talking to someone a while ago (and it wasn't the only time this happened) when they told me about a song they had - and it was my song. They didn't know I wrote/played it and they told me it was an illegal download. I told them it was my song and they just sort of get uncomfortable and leave but never say sorry or anything. They know dam well they stole something. They just never thought they'd get caught. People seem to only be honest when they think someone is watching. It's like how cool and tough people act online when they think no one will ever find them. You just have to realize that there is always going to be scum in the world. they get away with it and survive off of your generosity even if you didn't want to be generous. There are also people that will always do the right thing because they are doing the right thing for themselves. They pay for the music and that is your only market. If you let the scum take up your time, you lose your time. Look around you in here and see if I'm not right! |
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why don't people mind their own business
Danny T wrote:
Mind your own ****ing business and keep you asshole opinions to yourself. miror mirror on the wall who's the most ****ed up of all i recall when those who could carry a flame war pretty good at least provided nasty humor instead of one more verbal tumor -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.html http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman |
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Just when you thought it was safe again
Danny T wrote:
You left out the word "illegally" and yes, it is a lost sale. For some reason you're fixated on the "industry" and the technology; totally ignoring the artist. The vast majority of todays music is being being created by "Indie" artists who write the music, produce their own recordings and do their own marketing. The "Industry" doesn't give us a dime. Steve Hawkins People stopped thinking right and wrong a long time ago - now they think proof, get away with it, ..... all sorts of things but not right and wrong. I was talking to someone a while ago (and it wasn't the only time this happened) when they told me about a song they had - and it was my song. They didn't know I wrote/played it and they told me it was an illegal download. I told them it was my song and they just sort of get uncomfortable and leave but never say sorry or anything. They know dam well they stole something. They just never thought they'd get caught. People seem to only be honest when they think someone is watching. It's like how cool and tough people act online when they think no one will ever find them. You just have to realize that there is always going to be scum in the world. they get away with it and survive off of your generosity even if you didn't want to be generous. There are also people that will always do the right thing because they are doing the right thing for themselves. They pay for the music and that is your only market. If you let the scum take up your time, you lose your time. Look around you in here and see if I'm not right! I thought (right and wrong) was misc.legal. In rec.audio.pro, it should be (right and left)....:^) |
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Just when you thought it was safe again
On Jan 22, 8:47*pm, "Bill Graham" wrote:
Danny T wrote: You left out the word "illegally" and yes, it is a lost sale. For some reason you're fixated on the "industry" and the technology; totally ignoring the artist. The vast majority of todays music is being being created by "Indie" artists who write the music, produce their own recordings and do their own marketing. The "Industry" doesn't give us a dime. Steve Hawkins People stopped thinking right and wrong a long time ago - now they think proof, get away with it, ..... all sorts of things but not right and wrong. I was talking to someone a while ago (and it wasn't the only time this happened) when they told me about a song they had - and it was my song. They didn't know I wrote/played it and they told me it was an illegal download. I told them it was my song and they just sort of get uncomfortable and leave but never say sorry or anything. They know dam well they stole something. They just never thought they'd get caught. People seem to only be honest when they think someone is watching. It's like how cool and tough people act online when they think no one will ever find them. You just have to realize that there is always going to be scum in the world. they get away with it and survive off of your generosity even if you didn't want to be generous. There are also people that will always do the right thing because they are doing the right thing for themselves. They pay for the music and that is your only market. If you let the scum take up your time, you lose your time. Look around you in here and see if I'm not right! I thought (right and wrong) was misc.legal. In rec.audio.pro, it should be (right and left)....:^) No kidding! |
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Just when you thought it was safe again
On 22/01/2011 20:09, Danny T wrote:
You left out the word "illegally" and yes, it is a lost sale. For some reason you're fixated on the "industry" and the technology; totally ignoring the artist. The vast majority of todays music is being being created by "Indie" artists who write the music, produce their own recordings and do their own marketing. The "Industry" doesn't give us a dime. Steve Hawkins People stopped thinking right and wrong a long time ago - now they think proof, get away with it, ..... all sorts of things but not right and wrong. I was talking to someone a while ago (and it wasn't the only time this happened) when they told me about a song they had - and it was my song. They didn't know I wrote/played it and they told me it was an illegal download. I told them it was my song and they just sort of get uncomfortable and leave but never say sorry or anything. They know dam well they stole something. They just never thought they'd get caught. People seem to only be honest when they think someone is watching. It's like how cool and tough people act online when they think no one will ever find them. You just have to realize that there is always going to be scum in the world. they get away with it and survive off of your generosity even if you didn't want to be generous. There are also people that will always do the right thing because they are doing the right thing for themselves. They pay for the music and that is your only market. If you let the scum take up your time, you lose your time. Look around you in here and see if I'm not right! I think your problem is that not enough people think your music even worth pirating -- Dirk http://www.neopax.com/technomage/ - My new book - Magick and Technology |
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Just when you thought it was safe again
On Jan 22, 10:22*pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
wrote: On 22/01/2011 20:09, Danny T wrote: You left out the word "illegally" and yes, it is a lost sale. *For some reason you're fixated on the "industry" and the technology; totally ignoring the artist. *The vast majority of todays music is being being created by "Indie" artists who write the music, produce their own recordings and do their own marketing. *The "Industry" doesn't give us a dime. Steve Hawkins People stopped thinking right and wrong a long time ago - now they think proof, get away with it, ..... all sorts of things but not right and wrong. I was talking to someone a while ago (and it wasn't the only time this happened) when they told me about a song they had - and it was my song. They didn't know I wrote/played it and they told me it was an illegal download. I told them it was my song and they just sort of get uncomfortable and leave but never say sorry or anything. They know dam well they stole something. They just never thought they'd get caught. People seem to only be honest when they think someone is watching. It's like how cool and tough people act online when they think no one will ever find them. You just have to realize that there is always going to be scum in the world. they get away with it and survive off of your generosity even if you didn't want to be generous. There are also people that will always do the right thing because they are doing the right thing for themselves. They pay for the music and that is your only market. If you let the scum take up your time, you lose your time. Look around you in here and see if I'm not right! I think your problem is that not enough people think your music even worth pirating -- Dirk http://www.neopax.com/technomage/- My new book - Magick and Technology Dirk, The reason this stuff gets me mad is that my music is pirated. I did look you up and see you have no music that comes up in a search. I suppose that is why you feel that you can steal other people's music because you feel ripped off that you don't have the talent to make any yourself. ... Just a thought. Face it, you're a two bit thief. |
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Just when you thought it was safe again
On 1/22/2011 2:09 PM, Danny T wrote:
People seem to only be honest when they think someone is watching. It's like how cool and tough people act online when they think no one will ever find them. You just have to realize that there is always going to be scum in the world. they get away with it and survive off of your generosity even if you didn't want to be generous. There is a large problem with complaints over "illegal" downloads. And that is ... there is a vast amount of music out there that some people want to buy. I mean actually pay money for. But the owners refuse to sell, or at least refuse to sell what the people want without requiring them to buy what they don't want. (I'm talking classical music here as it is my thing, but likely similar applies to pop.) For example, it is so very common for all MP3 sellers to require you to pay for a whole album when you only want the four tracks that make up one symphony. Oh they will sell you three of the four tracks for $0.99 apiece, but want you to fork over $8.99 total to get the fourth track ... even though if it was 10 seconds shorter they would sell it for $0.99, making $3.96 total for what you want. People would happily pay $1.19 for that fourth track ... but they refuse to price like that. Sellers cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages downloading. Then, there are the vast archives of great live performances that have never been commercially released, so people share radio tapes of them. Of course, many of these form Europe are now running out of copyright. Doug McDonald |
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danny taddei, never sold a unit in his sad sack life, whining ab
On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:02:31 -0500, Richard Webb wrote
(in article ): Ty Ford writes: Step away from the computer and get a life. THey can't do that, as you'll see by the time you reach this one. NOne of the three of them, MR. three chords DAnny or Mike can find one of those. They're not sold at WAlmart. Regards, Richard ... 10% of everything isn't crap, watch closely or you'll miss it! -- Remove .my.foot for email via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. C'mon Richard, Don't poke the bears. It's really unpleasant and unnecessary when RAP regresses into dark Junior High School mentality at the expense of someone else. Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA |
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why don't people mind their own business
On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:40:23 -0500, Danny T wrote
(in article ): On Jan 22, 12:02*pm, (Richard Webb) wrote: Ty Ford writes: Step away from the computer and get a life. THey can't do that, as you'll see by the time you reach this one. *NOne of the three of them, MR. three chords DAnny or Mike can find one of those. They're not sold at WAlmart. Regards, * * * * * *Richard ... 10% of everything isn't crap, watch closely or you'll miss it! -- Remove .my.foot for email via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. Look, I really don't like people bad mouthing my name and if someone posts something about me it is my right to defend myself. If you feel the need to egg these ****heads on then you're on their level of ****headedness. Mind your own ****ing business and keep you asshole opinions to yourself. As for units sold, If you really feel the need to know, this month I made a whooping $273 from CD Baby. I don't know what I'll get, if any, from ASCAP. I DON"T GIVE A CRAP - WHY SHOULD YOU! I RETIRED YEARS AGO! Now run along like a good little doggy and **** on someone else's tree Danny, You too, man. EVERYONE stop the BS and get back to business. Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA |
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Just when you thought it was safe again
Doug McDonald wrote in
: There is a large problem with complaints over "illegal" downloads. Yep, it's called stealing and it's against the law. And that is ... there is a vast amount of music out there that some people want to buy. I mean actually pay money for. But the owners refuse to sell, or at least refuse to sell what the people want without requiring them to buy what they don't want. (I'm talking classical music here as it is my thing, but likely similar applies to pop.) It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. Only "some people" are actually honset? Care to cite some data? For example, it is so very common for all MP3 sellers to require you to pay for a whole album when you only want the four tracks that make up one symphony. Oh they will sell you three of the four tracks for $0.99 apiece, but want you to fork over $8.99 total to get the fourth track ... even though if it was 10 seconds shorter they would sell it for $0.99, making $3.96 total for what you want. People would happily pay $1.19 for that fourth track ... but they refuse to price like that. It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. You have two choices, buy it or do without. Stealing it is not an option. Sellers cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages downloading. Illegal downloders cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages artists to exert tighter control over their work. Quit trying to rationalize theft. Steve Hawkins |
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Just when you thought it was safe again
On 23/01/2011 14:25, Doug McDonald wrote:
On 1/22/2011 2:09 PM, Danny T wrote: People seem to only be honest when they think someone is watching. It's like how cool and tough people act online when they think no one will ever find them. You just have to realize that there is always going to be scum in the world. they get away with it and survive off of your generosity even if you didn't want to be generous. There is a large problem with complaints over "illegal" downloads. And that is ... there is a vast amount of music out there that some people want to buy. I mean actually pay money for. But the owners refuse to sell, or at least refuse to sell what the people want without requiring them to buy what they don't want. (I'm talking classical music here as it is my thing, but likely similar applies to pop.) For example, it is so very common for all MP3 sellers to require you to pay for a whole album when you only want the four tracks that make up one symphony. Oh they will sell you three of the four tracks for $0.99 apiece, but want you to fork over $8.99 total to get the fourth track ... even though if it was 10 seconds shorter they would sell it for $0.99, making $3.96 total for what you want. People would happily pay $1.19 for that fourth track ... but they refuse to price like that. Sellers cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages downloading. Then, there are the vast archives of great live performances that have never been commercially released, so people share radio tapes of them. Of course, many of these form Europe are now running out of copyright. Doug McDonald One of the reasons that paid for download will never bring in the same revenue as CD sales is that most CD's have a couple of good tracks and the rest is bulked out with mediocre or worse. So given the chance people will only download the two good ones. Result - a $15 CD sale is replaced by $2 of track sales. -- Dirk http://www.neopax.com/technomage/ - My new book - Magick and Technology |
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Just when you thought it was safe again
In article ,
Doug McDonald wrote: On 1/22/2011 2:09 PM, Danny T wrote: People seem to only be honest when they think someone is watching. It's like how cool and tough people act online when they think no one will ever find them. You just have to realize that there is always going to be scum in the world. they get away with it and survive off of your generosity even if you didn't want to be generous. There is a large problem with complaints over "illegal" downloads. And that is ... there is a vast amount of music out there that some people want to buy. I mean actually pay money for. But the owners refuse to sell, or at least refuse to sell what the people want without requiring them to buy what they don't want. (I'm talking classical music here as it is my thing, but likely similar applies to pop.) For example, it is so very common for all MP3 sellers to require you to pay for a whole album when you only want the four tracks that make up one symphony. Oh they will sell you three of the four tracks for $0.99 apiece, but want you to fork over $8.99 total to get the fourth track ... even though if it was 10 seconds shorter they would sell it for $0.99, making $3.96 total for what you want. People would happily pay $1.19 for that fourth track ... but they refuse to price like that. Sellers cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages downloading. Then, there are the vast archives of great live performances that have never been commercially released, so people share radio tapes of them. Of course, many of these form Europe are now running out of copyright. Doug McDonald None of this is an excuse for theft. The recordings are the property of the rights owners. They get to sell them in the way that they wish to. You can buy them, or not. I had dinner out on Friday. I didn't get a discount because I didn't eat the vegetables. -- www.jennifermartinmusic.com |
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There is a large problem with complaints over "illegal" downloads. And that is ... there is a vast amount of music out there that some people want to buy. I mean actually pay money for. But the owners refuse to sell, or at least refuse to sell what the people want without requiring them to buy what they don't want. (I'm talking classical music here as it is my thing, but likely similar applies to pop.) For example, it is so very common for all MP3 sellers to require you to pay for a whole album when you only want the four tracks that make up one symphony. Oh they will sell you three of the four tracks for $0.99 apiece, but want you to fork over $8.99 total to get the fourth track ... even though if it was 10 seconds shorter they would sell it for $0.99, making $3.96 total for what you want. People would happily pay $1.19 for that fourth track ... but they refuse to price like that. Sellers cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages downloading. Then, there are the vast archives of great live performances that have never been commercially released, so people share radio tapes of them. Of course, many of these form Europe are now running out of copyright. Doug McDonald Doug - not wanting to be rude or anything but I think this is the way it has always been. I don't remember being able to buy an LP and tell them to cut the outer ring off because I only wanted 4 songs on it. Further, in the old days, you only heard 1 or 2 songs from an LP as a single and that was only if there was airplay. You bought the rest on faith and if it sucked, you didn't buy the next LP. I bought the bare trees LP from Fleetwood Mac because my sister told me I'd like it. I was just a kid and that meant shelling out some doe back then. These days, you can hear a preview of every song you want to. Sometimes you can listen to the entire thing. You know what you are getting and if you don't like it then you don't buy it. No matter what the argument is, there is no justification for stealing from an artist. If you take a download without paying for it, you are stealing. |
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On Jan 23, 12:36*pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
wrote: On 23/01/2011 14:25, Doug McDonald wrote: On 1/22/2011 2:09 PM, Danny T wrote: People seem to only be honest when they think someone is watching. It's like how cool and tough people act online when they think no one will ever find them. You just have to realize that there is always going to be scum in the world. they get away with it and survive off of your generosity even if you didn't want to be generous. There is a large problem with complaints over "illegal" downloads. And that is ... there is a vast amount of music out there that some people want to buy. I mean actually pay money for. But the owners refuse to sell, or at least refuse to sell what the people want without requiring them to buy what they don't want. (I'm talking classical music here as it is my thing, but likely similar applies to pop.) For example, it is so very common for all MP3 sellers to require you to pay for a whole album when you only want the four tracks that make up one symphony. Oh they will sell you three of the four tracks for $0.99 apiece, but want you to fork over $8.99 total to get the fourth track .... even though if it was 10 seconds shorter they would sell it for $0.99, making $3.96 total for what you want. People would happily pay $1.19 for that fourth track ... but they refuse to price like that. Sellers cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages downloading. Then, there are the vast archives of great live performances that have never been commercially released, so people share radio tapes of them. Of course, many of these form Europe are now running out of copyright. Doug McDonald One of the reasons that paid for download will never bring in the same revenue as CD sales is that most CD's have a couple of good tracks and the rest is bulked out with mediocre or worse. So given the chance people will only download the two good ones. Result - a $15 CD sale is replaced by $2 of track sales. -- Dirk http://www.neopax.com/technomage/- My new book - Magick and Technology You are dead right about that and that is even more reason to pay for those good tracks. Like I posted in another place here, in the old days you had to buy the LP without even hearing it sometimes. If you like the band or someone says you might, you would buy the LP. It was yours. You were lucky if you could hear a single from it. in fact, I bought many albums before anyone had heard them. The Led Zep that came out in the brown bag cover (with 4 versions of the cover) was one I paid for 3 weeks before it got to the store. You didn't even know what cover you were buying until you paid for it and opened it up. things have become much more friendly to the consumer over the years. It may not make sense to you to pay for things but I'd suggest something you might not want to hear. If you are successful in other things or music, and you actually have money in your hand, you'll not mind spending it. If you are not a person with money in your hand, I'd suggest doing something to change that, like get an education or skill that actually makes you enough money that at the end of the month, its not the end of your money. Then, you'll feel better about life and spending your money and you will relax enough to enjoy life. There are DJ's out there that make a living off of other people's music and they steal the downloads. The crackdown is happening on them but not fast enough. Those people are really the bottom of the pit but the others that take without paying are bad too. They spread a nasty thing around the world and what goes around WILL come around. You'll only be hurting yourself in the long run. You'll program yourself to be a person that things go wrong for. Contrary to what media will tell you, money is not the root of all evil. It's love of money and not having any that causes the evil. I know I've never worried about my bike getting ripped off when I leave in front of the house in a rich neighborhood. I put the top up and lock the doors when I drive through a poor one - wonder why? |
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(Richard Webb) wrote: Ty Ford writes: C'mon Richard, Don't poke the bears. It's really unpleasant and unnecessary when RAP *regresses into dark Junior High School mentality at the expense of someone *else. OF course, but a bit of pot kettle blck goin' on here ya think maybe? *OTher than mr. 3 chord the other two are effectively killfiled here, and Mr. 3 chord has now joined them. *As Danny and MIke both were known to occasionally contribute relevant discussion in this group before they began their urinating contest a few months ago I was loath to killfile them, but attempts to reason such as you often display went nowhere with them. *AS for Mr. three chord, just the handle and the fact that I"ve seen nothing ever relevant to anything in this group him means it's no loss. Iow your request for reasoned discourse did the very same, and circumvented the killfiles of those of us who choose to ignore the drivel completely by quoting it. Iow don't bother requesting civil discourse and polite behavior, just use your killfile. Regards, * * * * * *Richard ... Everybody does better when everybody does better. -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. |
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Ty Ford writes:
C'mon Richard, Don't poke the bears. It's really unpleasant and unnecessary when RAP regresses into dark Junior High School mentality at the expense of someone else. OF course, but a bit of pot kettle blck goin' on here ya think maybe? OTher than mr. 3 chord the other two are effectively killfiled here, and Mr. 3 chord has now joined them. As Danny and MIke both were known to occasionally contribute relevant discussion in this group before they began their urinating contest a few months ago I was loath to killfile them, but attempts to reason such as you often display went nowhere with them. AS for Mr. three chord, just the handle and the fact that I"ve seen nothing ever relevant to anything in this group him means it's no loss. Iow your request for reasoned discourse did the very same, and circumvented the killfiles of those of us who choose to ignore the drivel completely by quoting it. Iow don't bother requesting civil discourse and polite behavior, just use your killfile. Regards, Richard .... Everybody does better when everybody does better. -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. |
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"Bill Graham" wrote in message news I thought (right and wrong) was misc.legal. In rec.audio.pro, it should be (right and left)....:^) Well I liked it Bill |
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Steve Hawkins wrote:
Doug McDonald wrote in : There is a large problem with complaints over "illegal" downloads. Yep, it's called stealing and it's against the law. And that is ... there is a vast amount of music out there that some people want to buy. I mean actually pay money for. But the owners refuse to sell, or at least refuse to sell what the people want without requiring them to buy what they don't want. (I'm talking classical music here as it is my thing, but likely similar applies to pop.) It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. Only "some people" are actually honset? Care to cite some data? For example, it is so very common for all MP3 sellers to require you to pay for a whole album when you only want the four tracks that make up one symphony. Oh they will sell you three of the four tracks for $0.99 apiece, but want you to fork over $8.99 total to get the fourth track ... even though if it was 10 seconds shorter they would sell it for $0.99, making $3.96 total for what you want. People would happily pay $1.19 for that fourth track ... but they refuse to price like that. It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. You have two choices, buy it or do without. Stealing it is not an option. Sellers cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages downloading. Illegal downloders cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages artists to exert tighter control over their work. Quit trying to rationalize theft. Steve Hawkins I don't want to rationalize theft, but I have a different problem. I play a horn, and I frequently need written music, or, "scores" as they are called. Since my horn is a Bb instrument, I need the melody line raised a second over the piano part. IOW, if the piano part is in "C", the horn part has to be in "D". When I buy this music, it costs me around $4.50 a song, and I am not supposed to, (by law) import it into my transcription program to change the key. But this means that I either have to do it on a staffed sheet by pen/pencil, or break the law and use my transcription program, or find a vendor who has the music in the other key, and pay another $4.50 for the other copy. So, I break the law and put it on my computer disc for transcription purposes. I don't like breaking the law, but some of the copyright laws are very hard to work with. I can understand where they are coming from, but I am not in the business of selling their music. All I want is for them to make it available in other keys for those who don't play, "C" instruments. Is this asking too much? |
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"Bill Graham" wrote: Steve Hawkins wrote: Doug McDonald wrote in : There is a large problem with complaints over "illegal" downloads. Yep, it's called stealing and it's against the law. And that is ... there is a vast amount of music out there that some people want to buy. I mean actually pay money for. But the owners refuse to sell, or at least refuse to sell what the people want without requiring them to buy what they don't want. (I'm talking classical music here as it is my thing, but likely similar applies to pop.) It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. Only "some people" are actually honset? Care to cite some data? For example, it is so very common for all MP3 sellers to require you to pay for a whole album when you only want the four tracks that make up one symphony. Oh they will sell you three of the four tracks for $0.99 apiece, but want you to fork over $8.99 total to get the fourth track ... even though if it was 10 seconds shorter they would sell it for $0.99, making $3.96 total for what you want. People would happily pay $1.19 for that fourth track ... but they refuse to price like that. It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. You have two choices, buy it or do without. Stealing it is not an option. Sellers cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages downloading. Illegal downloders cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages artists to exert tighter control over their work. Quit trying to rationalize theft. Steve Hawkins I don't want to rationalize theft, but I have a different problem. I play a horn, and I frequently need written music, or, "scores" as they are called. Since my horn is a Bb instrument, I need the melody line raised a second over the piano part. IOW, if the piano part is in "C", the horn part has to be in "D". When I buy this music, it costs me around $4.50 a song, and I am not supposed to, (by law) import it into my transcription program to change the key. Hmmm, are you sure about that? I'll check tomorrow. -- www.jennifermartinmusic.com |
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"Bill Graham" wrote in
news Steve Hawkins wrote: Doug McDonald wrote in : There is a large problem with complaints over "illegal" downloads. Yep, it's called stealing and it's against the law. And that is ... there is a vast amount of music out there that some people want to buy. I mean actually pay money for. But the owners refuse to sell, or at least refuse to sell what the people want without requiring them to buy what they don't want. (I'm talking classical music here as it is my thing, but likely similar applies to pop.) It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. Only "some people" are actually honset? Care to cite some data? For example, it is so very common for all MP3 sellers to require you to pay for a whole album when you only want the four tracks that make up one symphony. Oh they will sell you three of the four tracks for $0.99 apiece, but want you to fork over $8.99 total to get the fourth track ... even though if it was 10 seconds shorter they would sell it for $0.99, making $3.96 total for what you want. People would happily pay $1.19 for that fourth track ... but they refuse to price like that. It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. You have two choices, buy it or do without. Stealing it is not an option. Sellers cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages downloading. Illegal downloders cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages artists to exert tighter control over their work. Quit trying to rationalize theft. Steve Hawkins I don't want to rationalize theft, but I have a different problem. I play a horn, and I frequently need written music, or, "scores" as they are called. Since my horn is a Bb instrument, I need the melody line raised a second over the piano part. IOW, if the piano part is in "C", the horn part has to be in "D". When I buy this music, it costs me around $4.50 a song, and I am not supposed to, (by law) import it into my transcription program to change the key. But this means that I either have to do it on a staffed sheet by pen/pencil, or break the law and use my transcription program, or find a vendor who has the music in the other key, and pay another $4.50 for the other copy. So, I break the law and put it on my computer disc for transcription purposes. I don't like breaking the law, but some of the copyright laws are very hard to work with. I can understand where they are coming from, but I am not in the business of selling their music. All I want is for them to make it available in other keys for those who don't play, "C" instruments. Is this asking too much? All I see here is you being too lazy to do the right and legal thing. BTW, if the music isn't available for your instrument, you might be covered by "fair use" as long as you're not making multiple copies for distribution. Steve Hawkins |
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In article 0,
Steve Hawkins wrote: "Bill Graham" wrote in news Steve Hawkins wrote: Doug McDonald wrote in : There is a large problem with complaints over "illegal" downloads. Yep, it's called stealing and it's against the law. And that is ... there is a vast amount of music out there that some people want to buy. I mean actually pay money for. But the owners refuse to sell, or at least refuse to sell what the people want without requiring them to buy what they don't want. (I'm talking classical music here as it is my thing, but likely similar applies to pop.) It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. Only "some people" are actually honset? Care to cite some data? For example, it is so very common for all MP3 sellers to require you to pay for a whole album when you only want the four tracks that make up one symphony. Oh they will sell you three of the four tracks for $0.99 apiece, but want you to fork over $8.99 total to get the fourth track ... even though if it was 10 seconds shorter they would sell it for $0.99, making $3.96 total for what you want. People would happily pay $1.19 for that fourth track ... but they refuse to price like that. It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. You have two choices, buy it or do without. Stealing it is not an option. Sellers cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages downloading. Illegal downloders cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages artists to exert tighter control over their work. Quit trying to rationalize theft. Steve Hawkins I don't want to rationalize theft, but I have a different problem. I play a horn, and I frequently need written music, or, "scores" as they are called. Since my horn is a Bb instrument, I need the melody line raised a second over the piano part. IOW, if the piano part is in "C", the horn part has to be in "D". When I buy this music, it costs me around $4.50 a song, and I am not supposed to, (by law) import it into my transcription program to change the key. But this means that I either have to do it on a staffed sheet by pen/pencil, or break the law and use my transcription program, or find a vendor who has the music in the other key, and pay another $4.50 for the other copy. So, I break the law and put it on my computer disc for transcription purposes. I don't like breaking the law, but some of the copyright laws are very hard to work with. I can understand where they are coming from, but I am not in the business of selling their music. All I want is for them to make it available in other keys for those who don't play, "C" instruments. Is this asking too much? All I see here is you being too lazy to do the right and legal thing. BTW, if the music isn't available for your instrument, you might be covered by "fair use" as long as you're not making multiple copies for distribution. Steve Hawkins I'm quite sure that this is true. If not, he can buy a C trumpet. ;-) -- www.jennifermartinmusic.com |
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Jenn wrote:
In article 0, Steve Hawkins wrote: "Bill Graham" wrote in news Steve Hawkins wrote: Doug McDonald wrote in : There is a large problem with complaints over "illegal" downloads. Yep, it's called stealing and it's against the law. And that is ... there is a vast amount of music out there that some people want to buy. I mean actually pay money for. But the owners refuse to sell, or at least refuse to sell what the people want without requiring them to buy what they don't want. (I'm talking classical music here as it is my thing, but likely similar applies to pop.) It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. Only "some people" are actually honset? Care to cite some data? For example, it is so very common for all MP3 sellers to require you to pay for a whole album when you only want the four tracks that make up one symphony. Oh they will sell you three of the four tracks for $0.99 apiece, but want you to fork over $8.99 total to get the fourth track ... even though if it was 10 seconds shorter they would sell it for $0.99, making $3.96 total for what you want. People would happily pay $1.19 for that fourth track ... but they refuse to price like that. It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. You have two choices, buy it or do without. Stealing it is not an option. Sellers cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages downloading. Illegal downloders cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages artists to exert tighter control over their work. Quit trying to rationalize theft. Steve Hawkins I don't want to rationalize theft, but I have a different problem. I play a horn, and I frequently need written music, or, "scores" as they are called. Since my horn is a Bb instrument, I need the melody line raised a second over the piano part. IOW, if the piano part is in "C", the horn part has to be in "D". When I buy this music, it costs me around $4.50 a song, and I am not supposed to, (by law) import it into my transcription program to change the key. But this means that I either have to do it on a staffed sheet by pen/pencil, or break the law and use my transcription program, or find a vendor who has the music in the other key, and pay another $4.50 for the other copy. So, I break the law and put it on my computer disc for transcription purposes. I don't like breaking the law, but some of the copyright laws are very hard to work with. I can understand where they are coming from, but I am not in the business of selling their music. All I want is for them to make it available in other keys for those who don't play, "C" instruments. Is this asking too much? All I see here is you being too lazy to do the right and legal thing. BTW, if the music isn't available for your instrument, you might be covered by "fair use" as long as you're not making multiple copies for distribution. Steve Hawkins I'm quite sure that this is true. If not, he can buy a C trumpet. ;-) Its not as simple as that. - I play a flugelhorn in some of the bands, and they don't have a "C" flugelhorn. I could learn to transpose, but at 75, it is very hard to learn to transpose. Its kind of like learning a new language at 75. |
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Steve Hawkins wrote:
"Bill Graham" wrote in news Steve Hawkins wrote: Doug McDonald wrote in : There is a large problem with complaints over "illegal" downloads. Yep, it's called stealing and it's against the law. And that is ... there is a vast amount of music out there that some people want to buy. I mean actually pay money for. But the owners refuse to sell, or at least refuse to sell what the people want without requiring them to buy what they don't want. (I'm talking classical music here as it is my thing, but likely similar applies to pop.) It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. Only "some people" are actually honset? Care to cite some data? For example, it is so very common for all MP3 sellers to require you to pay for a whole album when you only want the four tracks that make up one symphony. Oh they will sell you three of the four tracks for $0.99 apiece, but want you to fork over $8.99 total to get the fourth track ... even though if it was 10 seconds shorter they would sell it for $0.99, making $3.96 total for what you want. People would happily pay $1.19 for that fourth track ... but they refuse to price like that. It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. You have two choices, buy it or do without. Stealing it is not an option. Sellers cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages downloading. Illegal downloders cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages artists to exert tighter control over their work. Quit trying to rationalize theft. Steve Hawkins I don't want to rationalize theft, but I have a different problem. I play a horn, and I frequently need written music, or, "scores" as they are called. Since my horn is a Bb instrument, I need the melody line raised a second over the piano part. IOW, if the piano part is in "C", the horn part has to be in "D". When I buy this music, it costs me around $4.50 a song, and I am not supposed to, (by law) import it into my transcription program to change the key. But this means that I either have to do it on a staffed sheet by pen/pencil, or break the law and use my transcription program, or find a vendor who has the music in the other key, and pay another $4.50 for the other copy. So, I break the law and put it on my computer disc for transcription purposes. I don't like breaking the law, but some of the copyright laws are very hard to work with. I can understand where they are coming from, but I am not in the business of selling their music. All I want is for them to make it available in other keys for those who don't play, "C" instruments. Is this asking too much? All I see here is you being too lazy to do the right and legal thing. BTW, if the music isn't available for your instrument, you might be covered by "fair use" as long as you're not making multiple copies for distribution. Steve Hawkins Its exactly the opposite of, "lazy". Its a lot of work to input the music into my computer and then transpose it. It would be much easier for me to just buy it in the key I need it. But they don't usually have it in more than one key, so I have to do the work, and they say that its illegal for me to put it on my hard disk, reguardless of why I need to do it. |
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Jenn wrote:
In article , "Bill Graham" wrote: Steve Hawkins wrote: Doug McDonald wrote in : There is a large problem with complaints over "illegal" downloads. Yep, it's called stealing and it's against the law. And that is ... there is a vast amount of music out there that some people want to buy. I mean actually pay money for. But the owners refuse to sell, or at least refuse to sell what the people want without requiring them to buy what they don't want. (I'm talking classical music here as it is my thing, but likely similar applies to pop.) It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. Only "some people" are actually honset? Care to cite some data? For example, it is so very common for all MP3 sellers to require you to pay for a whole album when you only want the four tracks that make up one symphony. Oh they will sell you three of the four tracks for $0.99 apiece, but want you to fork over $8.99 total to get the fourth track ... even though if it was 10 seconds shorter they would sell it for $0.99, making $3.96 total for what you want. People would happily pay $1.19 for that fourth track ... but they refuse to price like that. It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. You have two choices, buy it or do without. Stealing it is not an option. Sellers cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages downloading. Illegal downloders cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages artists to exert tighter control over their work. Quit trying to rationalize theft. Steve Hawkins I don't want to rationalize theft, but I have a different problem. I play a horn, and I frequently need written music, or, "scores" as they are called. Since my horn is a Bb instrument, I need the melody line raised a second over the piano part. IOW, if the piano part is in "C", the horn part has to be in "D". When I buy this music, it costs me around $4.50 a song, and I am not supposed to, (by law) import it into my transcription program to change the key. Hmmm, are you sure about that? I'll check tomorrow. The people I buy it from tell me that its illegal to put it on my hard disk. When I buy it, I can download one copy to my printer and print that copy only. I can scan it to my hard disk after I print it, (illegaly) but that doesn't give me the ability to transpose it into another key. In order to do that, I have to input the trumpet part into a transcription program (such as Finale or Encore) and then change the key. The laws on this are nebulous and basically unenforceable. They need to be redone to stay in step with the technology. |
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"Bill Graham" wrote: Jenn wrote: In article 0, Steve Hawkins wrote: "Bill Graham" wrote in news Steve Hawkins wrote: Doug McDonald wrote in : There is a large problem with complaints over "illegal" downloads. Yep, it's called stealing and it's against the law. And that is ... there is a vast amount of music out there that some people want to buy. I mean actually pay money for. But the owners refuse to sell, or at least refuse to sell what the people want without requiring them to buy what they don't want. (I'm talking classical music here as it is my thing, but likely similar applies to pop.) It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. Only "some people" are actually honset? Care to cite some data? For example, it is so very common for all MP3 sellers to require you to pay for a whole album when you only want the four tracks that make up one symphony. Oh they will sell you three of the four tracks for $0.99 apiece, but want you to fork over $8.99 total to get the fourth track ... even though if it was 10 seconds shorter they would sell it for $0.99, making $3.96 total for what you want. People would happily pay $1.19 for that fourth track ... but they refuse to price like that. It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. You have two choices, buy it or do without. Stealing it is not an option. Sellers cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages downloading. Illegal downloders cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages artists to exert tighter control over their work. Quit trying to rationalize theft. Steve Hawkins I don't want to rationalize theft, but I have a different problem. I play a horn, and I frequently need written music, or, "scores" as they are called. Since my horn is a Bb instrument, I need the melody line raised a second over the piano part. IOW, if the piano part is in "C", the horn part has to be in "D". When I buy this music, it costs me around $4.50 a song, and I am not supposed to, (by law) import it into my transcription program to change the key. But this means that I either have to do it on a staffed sheet by pen/pencil, or break the law and use my transcription program, or find a vendor who has the music in the other key, and pay another $4.50 for the other copy. So, I break the law and put it on my computer disc for transcription purposes. I don't like breaking the law, but some of the copyright laws are very hard to work with. I can understand where they are coming from, but I am not in the business of selling their music. All I want is for them to make it available in other keys for those who don't play, "C" instruments. Is this asking too much? All I see here is you being too lazy to do the right and legal thing. BTW, if the music isn't available for your instrument, you might be covered by "fair use" as long as you're not making multiple copies for distribution. Steve Hawkins I'm quite sure that this is true. If not, he can buy a C trumpet. ;-) Its not as simple as that. - I play a flugelhorn in some of the bands, and they don't have a "C" flugelhorn. I could learn to transpose, but at 75, it is very hard to learn to transpose. Its kind of like learning a new language at 75. It's easy as pie....one step up. -- www.jennifermartinmusic.com |
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Just when you thought it was safe again
Jenn wrote:
In article , "Bill Graham" wrote: Jenn wrote: In article 0, Steve Hawkins wrote: "Bill Graham" wrote in news Steve Hawkins wrote: Doug McDonald wrote in : There is a large problem with complaints over "illegal" downloads. Yep, it's called stealing and it's against the law. And that is ... there is a vast amount of music out there that some people want to buy. I mean actually pay money for. But the owners refuse to sell, or at least refuse to sell what the people want without requiring them to buy what they don't want. (I'm talking classical music here as it is my thing, but likely similar applies to pop.) It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. Only "some people" are actually honset? Care to cite some data? For example, it is so very common for all MP3 sellers to require you to pay for a whole album when you only want the four tracks that make up one symphony. Oh they will sell you three of the four tracks for $0.99 apiece, but want you to fork over $8.99 total to get the fourth track ... even though if it was 10 seconds shorter they would sell it for $0.99, making $3.96 total for what you want. People would happily pay $1.19 for that fourth track ... but they refuse to price like that. It's their music/property and they can do what they want with it. You have two choices, buy it or do without. Stealing it is not an option. Sellers cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages downloading. Illegal downloders cannot comprehend that this behavior on their part actually infuriates people and encourages artists to exert tighter control over their work. Quit trying to rationalize theft. Steve Hawkins I don't want to rationalize theft, but I have a different problem. I play a horn, and I frequently need written music, or, "scores" as they are called. Since my horn is a Bb instrument, I need the melody line raised a second over the piano part. IOW, if the piano part is in "C", the horn part has to be in "D". When I buy this music, it costs me around $4.50 a song, and I am not supposed to, (by law) import it into my transcription program to change the key. But this means that I either have to do it on a staffed sheet by pen/pencil, or break the law and use my transcription program, or find a vendor who has the music in the other key, and pay another $4.50 for the other copy. So, I break the law and put it on my computer disc for transcription purposes. I don't like breaking the law, but some of the copyright laws are very hard to work with. I can understand where they are coming from, but I am not in the business of selling their music. All I want is for them to make it available in other keys for those who don't play, "C" instruments. Is this asking too much? All I see here is you being too lazy to do the right and legal thing. BTW, if the music isn't available for your instrument, you might be covered by "fair use" as long as you're not making multiple copies for distribution. Steve Hawkins I'm quite sure that this is true. If not, he can buy a C trumpet. ;-) Its not as simple as that. - I play a flugelhorn in some of the bands, and they don't have a "C" flugelhorn. I could learn to transpose, but at 75, it is very hard to learn to transpose. Its kind of like learning a new language at 75. It's easy as pie....one step up. Yes. Its very easy on a guitar, but a bit more difficult on a horn. Bear in mind that I took up the trumpet when I was 50 years old. Before then, I only played string instruments, like the guitar and mandolin. |
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