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"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... I almost always leave Weil's last comment hanging. Discussing anything with him has no lasting consequences on him because he has proven himself to be unteachable. People who live in glass houses... ....are sometimes named Sommerwerck. As a college drop-out, he's effectively admitted that fact himself. Edwin Land and Bill Gates both dropped out of college, and we know how insufferably stupid they both were. Obviously they were still trainable. At age 50, had Land or Gates spent the previous decade doing nothing but waiting on tables in a cheap bar? That's the story of Weil's life. Anyone who accuses other people of being unteachable, and thinks that going to college is necessarily to best way to acquire an education, is not someone you can have much intellectual respect for. Anyone who extracts one tiny comment from a long-running argument and tries to make an ass out of himself with it, can generally be expected to succeed. |
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After further discussion I don't think he Godwinized the thread.
Think as you will, but I think you should have stuck to your claim when you were still correct. Which one. I still have no problem with your participation (not that it would matter even if I did). You post lots of stuff about audio which is of interest to me. Much of the time we seem to agree about audio stuff. If you and Dave have a dispute that's between you and him. The fellow named "Middius" is filtered since I couldn't find anything he wrote that interests me and I did find lots he wrote that was offensive. When I said I had not seen you posting anything offensive I meant it. When I declined to go on a witch hunt against you (or Dave or the other fellow, for that matter) I also meant it. Frankly, if you have some issue with Dave I don't really care. I think you're a likeable person and you seem to use common sense about audio. Unsubstantiated claims by someone else that you're the "Root of All Evil" or whatever else someone wants to say don't mean squat to me. If you treat me with courtesy I figure your courteous. End of story. Nonetheless, it's degenerated at this point to where it's serving no real purpose (just my opinion). What say? I almost always leave Weil's last comment hanging. Sounds like a plan. Discussing anything with him has no lasting consequences on him because he has proven himself to be unteachable. As a college drop-out, he's effectively admitted that fact himself. Hmm. I never finished college either. That didn't mean I'm unteachable -- just stubborn and easily bored with... well, boring stuff. :^) What to say about a person whose proud of his "career", which is aiding and abetting the sale of a legal but dangerous mind-altering substance? I'm not sure I know what you mean. Please explain. |
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"Robert L. Bass" wrote in message ... I almost always leave Weil's last comment hanging. Sounds like a plan. Roger! |
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Sounds like a plan.
Roger! James! :^) |
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I also think Denon only made analog amplifier before.
10 years ago, my friend setup his home theater. He chose Yamaha DSP-A1 instead of Denon because Yamaha provide many features e.g. church effect. However, Denon was only a selector of TV, CD player, ... "George M. Middius" ??? ???... Willie Sommerdork said: First of all, I don't believe Denon was selling professional PCM recorders to anyone, anywhere in 1973 (TICBW). "1971: LEF Denon demonstrates 18-bit PCM stereo recording using a helical-scan video recorder." http://www.lovesphere.org/mosr/timetable.shtml "1972: Developed the world's first PCM digital recorder for regular studio use, thus launching the digital audio revolution. Commenced sales of PCM records." http://www.usa.denon.com/info/history.asp I think you need to go verbally trash another sales rep. |
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I do a lot of work for charity, but I don't like to talk about it.
You just did. Note that I only mentioned my role in context of talking about what others did. The post was intended to be more about them than me. Sorry if it seemed otherwise. |
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I do a lot of work for charity, but I don't like to talk about it.
You just did. Note that I only mentioned my role in context of talking about what others did. The post was intended to be more about them than me. Sorry if it seemed otherwise. |
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And based on this one medical opinion, your
whole family turned to Jesus? Not quite. I had already made that decision some time before. So had several others. Some did make a decision for Christ after that but I doubt my brother's miracle was the sole factor. It sometimes takes a lifetime to make such a decision. |
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And based on this one medical opinion, your
whole family turned to Jesus? Not quite. I had already made that decision some time before. So had several others. Some did make a decision for Christ after that but I doubt my brother's miracle was the sole factor. It sometimes takes a lifetime to make such a decision. |
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Do you agree that "Islam is a very evil and wicked religion"?
Nope. It is simply not my faith. I have a strong enough confidence in my own beliefs that I don't find it necessary to put down the beliefs of others. In short, I am absolutely convinced of the validity of what I believe. I'm not so self-assured as to deny others the right to be equally certain of their own beliefs. As long as your religious freedom doesn't involve you whacking me on the head I've no problem woth you disagreeing with me. I'm sure enough that I'm right to try to base my own life on what I believe but not so adamant as to deny you're right to think I'm wrong. Besides, even if the core of my beliefs is on the mark, I'm only human. Perhaps I have one or another thing wrong. If I don't allow myself to consider your ideas too I may miss something important. |
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Do you agree that "Islam is a very evil and wicked religion"?
Nope. It is simply not my faith. I have a strong enough confidence in my own beliefs that I don't find it necessary to put down the beliefs of others. In short, I am absolutely convinced of the validity of what I believe. I'm not so self-assured as to deny others the right to be equally certain of their own beliefs. As long as your religious freedom doesn't involve you whacking me on the head I've no problem woth you disagreeing with me. I'm sure enough that I'm right to try to base my own life on what I believe but not so adamant as to deny you're right to think I'm wrong. Besides, even if the core of my beliefs is on the mark, I'm only human. Perhaps I have one or another thing wrong. If I don't allow myself to consider your ideas too I may miss something important. |
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I'm not sure I know what you mean. Please
explain. Dave sells high quality wine at the restaurant he works at. Oh. What is the address. I don't drink much but if it's good quality I could be persuaded to order a glass with dinner. :^) |
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I'm not sure I know what you mean. Please
explain. Dave sells high quality wine at the restaurant he works at. Oh. What is the address. I don't drink much but if it's good quality I could be persuaded to order a glass with dinner. :^) |
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"Robert L. Bass" wrote in message
I'm not sure I know what you mean. Please explain. Dave sells high quality wine at the restaurant he works at. Oh. What is the address. I don't drink much but if it's good quality I could be persuaded to order a glass with dinner. :^) Don't hold your breath for an answer to this question. Weil guards the ID of his alleged employer pretty tightly. It's probably within driving distance of Nashville, but after that you're on your own and things will probably stay that way forever. |
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"Robert L. Bass" wrote in message
I'm not sure I know what you mean. Please explain. Dave sells high quality wine at the restaurant he works at. Oh. What is the address. I don't drink much but if it's good quality I could be persuaded to order a glass with dinner. :^) Don't hold your breath for an answer to this question. Weil guards the ID of his alleged employer pretty tightly. It's probably within driving distance of Nashville, but after that you're on your own and things will probably stay that way forever. |
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On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:14:04 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "Robert L. Bass" wrote in message I'm not sure I know what you mean. Please explain. Dave sells high quality wine at the restaurant he works at. Oh. What is the address. I don't drink much but if it's good quality I could be persuaded to order a glass with dinner. :^) Don't hold your breath for an answer to this question. Weil guards the ID of his alleged employer pretty tightly. It's probably within driving distance of Nashville, but after that you're on your own and things will probably stay that way forever. Yes I do. Do you have a problem with me protecting my fellow employees from RAO? I *will* say this much. It's not only within driving distance of Nashville, it is *in* Nashville. In fact, it's within 6 miles of my home, which is *also* in Nashville. |
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On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:14:04 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "Robert L. Bass" wrote in message I'm not sure I know what you mean. Please explain. Dave sells high quality wine at the restaurant he works at. Oh. What is the address. I don't drink much but if it's good quality I could be persuaded to order a glass with dinner. :^) Don't hold your breath for an answer to this question. Weil guards the ID of his alleged employer pretty tightly. It's probably within driving distance of Nashville, but after that you're on your own and things will probably stay that way forever. Yes I do. Do you have a problem with me protecting my fellow employees from RAO? I *will* say this much. It's not only within driving distance of Nashville, it is *in* Nashville. In fact, it's within 6 miles of my home, which is *also* in Nashville. |
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"dave weil" wrote in message
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:14:04 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Robert L. Bass" wrote in message I'm not sure I know what you mean. Please explain. Dave sells high quality wine at the restaurant he works at. Oh. What is the address. I don't drink much but if it's good quality I could be persuaded to order a glass with dinner. :^) Don't hold your breath for an answer to this question. Weil guards the ID of his alleged employer pretty tightly. It's probably within driving distance of Nashville, but after that you're on your own and things will probably stay that way forever. Yes I do. Do you have a problem with me protecting my fellow employees from RAO? Thanks for admitting what a toxic wasteland you've made RAO into, Weil. BTW, your paranoia is noted, Weil. Exactly what do you think that RAO would do to your fellow employees? Eat there? LOL! I *will* say this much. It's not only within driving distance of Nashville, it is *in* Nashville. In fact, it's within 6 miles of my home, which is *also* in Nashville. Are you bragging or complaining, Weil? |
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"dave weil" wrote in message
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:14:04 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Robert L. Bass" wrote in message I'm not sure I know what you mean. Please explain. Dave sells high quality wine at the restaurant he works at. Oh. What is the address. I don't drink much but if it's good quality I could be persuaded to order a glass with dinner. :^) Don't hold your breath for an answer to this question. Weil guards the ID of his alleged employer pretty tightly. It's probably within driving distance of Nashville, but after that you're on your own and things will probably stay that way forever. Yes I do. Do you have a problem with me protecting my fellow employees from RAO? Thanks for admitting what a toxic wasteland you've made RAO into, Weil. BTW, your paranoia is noted, Weil. Exactly what do you think that RAO would do to your fellow employees? Eat there? LOL! I *will* say this much. It's not only within driving distance of Nashville, it is *in* Nashville. In fact, it's within 6 miles of my home, which is *also* in Nashville. Are you bragging or complaining, Weil? |
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On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:42:06 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "dave weil" wrote in message On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:14:04 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Robert L. Bass" wrote in message I'm not sure I know what you mean. Please explain. Dave sells high quality wine at the restaurant he works at. Oh. What is the address. I don't drink much but if it's good quality I could be persuaded to order a glass with dinner. :^) Don't hold your breath for an answer to this question. Weil guards the ID of his alleged employer pretty tightly. It's probably within driving distance of Nashville, but after that you're on your own and things will probably stay that way forever. Yes I do. Do you have a problem with me protecting my fellow employees from RAO? Thanks for admitting what a toxic wasteland you've made RAO into, Weil. I've never denied that RAO isn't the most benign place. In fact, I hold you primarily responsible for that very fact. BTW, your paranoia is noted, Weil. You know what they say about paranoia... Exactly what do you think that RAO would do to your fellow employees? Eat there? No, do things like make phony phone reservations, for instance. I seem to remember someone sending flowers to someone's workplace. So, people are even willing to spend good money to "get back" at people here. BTW, if someone sent me flowers, people wouldn't find it odd, as I actually supply some of the flower arrangements there from my own garden. LOL! I *will* say this much. It's not only within driving distance of Nashville, it is *in* Nashville. In fact, it's within 6 miles of my home, which is *also* in Nashville. Are you bragging or complaining, Weil? Bragging, I guess. Nashville *is* considered one of the more desirable places to live in America. Heck, even Donna Summer lives here g. |
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On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:42:06 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "dave weil" wrote in message On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:14:04 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Robert L. Bass" wrote in message I'm not sure I know what you mean. Please explain. Dave sells high quality wine at the restaurant he works at. Oh. What is the address. I don't drink much but if it's good quality I could be persuaded to order a glass with dinner. :^) Don't hold your breath for an answer to this question. Weil guards the ID of his alleged employer pretty tightly. It's probably within driving distance of Nashville, but after that you're on your own and things will probably stay that way forever. Yes I do. Do you have a problem with me protecting my fellow employees from RAO? Thanks for admitting what a toxic wasteland you've made RAO into, Weil. I've never denied that RAO isn't the most benign place. In fact, I hold you primarily responsible for that very fact. BTW, your paranoia is noted, Weil. You know what they say about paranoia... Exactly what do you think that RAO would do to your fellow employees? Eat there? No, do things like make phony phone reservations, for instance. I seem to remember someone sending flowers to someone's workplace. So, people are even willing to spend good money to "get back" at people here. BTW, if someone sent me flowers, people wouldn't find it odd, as I actually supply some of the flower arrangements there from my own garden. LOL! I *will* say this much. It's not only within driving distance of Nashville, it is *in* Nashville. In fact, it's within 6 miles of my home, which is *also* in Nashville. Are you bragging or complaining, Weil? Bragging, I guess. Nashville *is* considered one of the more desirable places to live in America. Heck, even Donna Summer lives here g. |
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Oh. What is the address. I don't drink much but if it's good
quality I could be persuaded to order a glass with dinner. :^) Don't hold your breath for an answer to this question. Weil guards the ID of his alleged employer pretty tightly. It's probably within driving distance of Nashville, but after that you're on your own and things will probably stay that way forever. I was only being facetious, Arny. |
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Oh. What is the address. I don't drink much but if it's good
quality I could be persuaded to order a glass with dinner. :^) Don't hold your breath for an answer to this question. Weil guards the ID of his alleged employer pretty tightly. It's probably within driving distance of Nashville, but after that you're on your own and things will probably stay that way forever. I was only being facetious, Arny. |
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Apparently non-believers go to hell, so you would
think He (She) would making Himself (Herself) known... Correct. He (being omnipotent) could decide to use those who believe to spread the message, too. He could even say something like: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age." |
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Apparently non-believers go to hell, so you would
think He (She) would making Himself (Herself) known... Correct. He (being omnipotent) could decide to use those who believe to spread the message, too. He could even say something like: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age." |
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"Langis" wrote in message ... "Robert L. Bass" wrote: Apparently non-believers go to hell, so you would think He (She) would making Himself (Herself) known, rather than keeping us all in suspense by dancing in the shadows. To put it another way, it's bollox. I asked specific questions about the status of deceased non-believers, and he still has not answered the questions. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Langis" wrote in message ... "Robert L. Bass" wrote: Apparently non-believers go to hell, so you would think He (She) would making Himself (Herself) known, rather than keeping us all in suspense by dancing in the shadows. To put it another way, it's bollox. I asked specific questions about the status of deceased non-believers, and he still has not answered the questions. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Sockpuppet Yustabe said: I asked specific questions about the status of deceased non-believers, and he still has not answered the questions. You'd think he'd have some "facts" about that too. Maybe he's been there. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Sockpuppet Yustabe said: I asked specific questions about the status of deceased non-believers, and he still has not answered the questions. You'd think he'd have some "facts" about that too. Maybe he's been there. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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I asked specific questions about the status of
deceased non-believers, and he still has not answered the questions. Sorry, I must have overlooked that post. Deceased non-believers who never did anything wrong in their lives are in heaven. Others may be located elsewhere. |
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"Robert L. Bass" wrote in message ... I asked specific questions about the status of deceased non-believers, and he still has not answered the questions. Sorry, I must have overlooked that post. Deceased non-believers who never did anything wrong in their lives are in heaven. Others may be located elsewhere. Therefore, murderers who later accept Jesus as Savior go to heaven, while nonbeleivers who littered the highways burn in hell? ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Therefore, murderers who later accept Jesus as Savior
go to heaven, while nonbeleivers who littered the highways burn in hell? There's no mention of littering that I have found in Scripture. There is mention of repentance though. |
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"Robert L. Bass" wrote in message
Therefore, murderers who later accept Jesus as Savior go to heaven, while nonbeleivers who littered the highways burn in hell? There's no mention of littering that I have found in Scripture. There is mention of repentance though. Nice answer, especially given that you're talking to a guy who desperately wants to avoid taking *any* responsibility for his actions. |
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Nice answer, especially given that you're talking to a guy
who desperately wants to avoid taking *any* responsibility for his actions. I've found that to be a fairly common problem. Listen to the argument over almost any traffic accident. Everyone insists it was the other guy's fault. Sit in a court room some day as I recently did (as a witness) in a DUI case. Every defendant has a story to tell that explains his actions or denies them entirely. Of course, some are truly innocent -- but all?!? It's the same story in USENET flame wars. Everyone insists that the whole thing is the other guy's fault. I disagree with something you or Dave says so I make a snide comment. You take offense and crack right back. I don't like your reply and the war is on. Sometimes the resulting flame fest lasts for years, effectively destroying a newsgroup. Imagine what would happen if everyone just said, "Look, I don't agree with your ideas but I was wrong to call you a [fill in the blank]. I apologize for my part of the problem." Those two simple words, "I'm sorry," seem to be the hardest things for any of us (myself included) to say. Why is that? No flame here, Arny. I agree with a lot of what you say about audio and I suspect you're a likeable guy in person. I disagree with you about some of the personal taunts -- not that they're unprovoked but that they're counter-productive. I disagree with the others who flame you for the same reasons. If you guys can ever decide to make peace (hint: requires consumption of a significant portion of crow) it will be a good thing. In the meantime I refuse to join the war. |
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Nice answer, especially given that you're talking to a guy
who desperately wants to avoid taking *any* responsibility for his actions. I've found that to be a fairly common problem. Listen to the argument over almost any traffic accident. Everyone insists it was the other guy's fault. Sit in a court room some day as I recently did (as a witness) in a DUI case. Every defendant has a story to tell that explains his actions or denies them entirely. Of course, some are truly innocent -- but all?!? It's the same story in USENET flame wars. Everyone insists that the whole thing is the other guy's fault. I disagree with something you or Dave says so I make a snide comment. You take offense and crack right back. I don't like your reply and the war is on. Sometimes the resulting flame fest lasts for years, effectively destroying a newsgroup. Imagine what would happen if everyone just said, "Look, I don't agree with your ideas but I was wrong to call you a [fill in the blank]. I apologize for my part of the problem." Those two simple words, "I'm sorry," seem to be the hardest things for any of us (myself included) to say. Why is that? No flame here, Arny. I agree with a lot of what you say about audio and I suspect you're a likeable guy in person. I disagree with you about some of the personal taunts -- not that they're unprovoked but that they're counter-productive. I disagree with the others who flame you for the same reasons. If you guys can ever decide to make peace (hint: requires consumption of a significant portion of crow) it will be a good thing. In the meantime I refuse to join the war. |
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"Robert L. Bass" wrote in message
Nice answer, especially given that you're talking to a guy who desperately wants to avoid taking *any* responsibility for his actions. I've found that to be a fairly common problem. Listen to the argument over almost any traffic accident. Everyone insists it was the other guy's fault. Sit in a court room some day as I recently did (as a witness) in a DUI case. Every defendant has a story to tell that explains his actions or denies them entirely. Of course, some are truly innocent -- but all?!? In RAO this argument is kinda flipped around. For years a number of people have repeatedly claimed that I'm personally responsible for *everything* that is wrong with RAO. It's the same story in USENET flame wars. Everyone insists that the whole thing is the other guy's fault. I've already offered to share some blame, but that's not good enough for all of the RAO trolls. They've said in so many words that they aren't going to be happy until I not only abandon RAO, but also commit suicide right away. Any number of specific means of suicide have been suggested any number of times. I disagree with something you or Dave says so I make a snide comment. Well, there are several forms of suicide comment, of course. You take offense and crack right back. Only when this gets repeated enough to irritate me. I don't like your reply and the war is on. Sometimes the resulting flame fest lasts for years, effectively destroying a newsgroup. Welcome to RAO! Imagine what would happen if everyone just said, "Look, I don't agree with your ideas but I was wrong to call you a [fill in the blank]. I apologize for my part of the problem." That's about as unlikely as things get on Usenet. Those two simple words, "I'm sorry," seem to be the hardest things for any of us (myself included) to say. Why is that? That's pretty well known to most of us I think. No flame here, Arny. I agree with a lot of what you say about audio and I suspect you're a likeable guy in person. I disagree with you about some of the personal taunts -- not that they're unprovoked but that they're counter-productive. Sure its counter productive, that's the whole point. The history of RAO is that maybe 5-6 years ago it was a wild and wooly place, but there were a fair number of intelligent discussions of audio. At some point certain people became dissatisfied with the direction things were going and decided to do everything they could to force certain people away. Frankly I'm just about the only person on their "hit list" that still stops by. I disagree with the others who flame you for the same reasons. If you guys can ever decide to make peace (hint: requires consumption of a significant portion of crow) it will be a good thing. In the meantime I refuse to join the war. I think that staying clear of RAO is a good thing to do, particularly for people who aren't yet involved in any of its long term disputes. |
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"Robert L. Bass" wrote in message
Nice answer, especially given that you're talking to a guy who desperately wants to avoid taking *any* responsibility for his actions. I've found that to be a fairly common problem. Listen to the argument over almost any traffic accident. Everyone insists it was the other guy's fault. Sit in a court room some day as I recently did (as a witness) in a DUI case. Every defendant has a story to tell that explains his actions or denies them entirely. Of course, some are truly innocent -- but all?!? In RAO this argument is kinda flipped around. For years a number of people have repeatedly claimed that I'm personally responsible for *everything* that is wrong with RAO. It's the same story in USENET flame wars. Everyone insists that the whole thing is the other guy's fault. I've already offered to share some blame, but that's not good enough for all of the RAO trolls. They've said in so many words that they aren't going to be happy until I not only abandon RAO, but also commit suicide right away. Any number of specific means of suicide have been suggested any number of times. I disagree with something you or Dave says so I make a snide comment. Well, there are several forms of suicide comment, of course. You take offense and crack right back. Only when this gets repeated enough to irritate me. I don't like your reply and the war is on. Sometimes the resulting flame fest lasts for years, effectively destroying a newsgroup. Welcome to RAO! Imagine what would happen if everyone just said, "Look, I don't agree with your ideas but I was wrong to call you a [fill in the blank]. I apologize for my part of the problem." That's about as unlikely as things get on Usenet. Those two simple words, "I'm sorry," seem to be the hardest things for any of us (myself included) to say. Why is that? That's pretty well known to most of us I think. No flame here, Arny. I agree with a lot of what you say about audio and I suspect you're a likeable guy in person. I disagree with you about some of the personal taunts -- not that they're unprovoked but that they're counter-productive. Sure its counter productive, that's the whole point. The history of RAO is that maybe 5-6 years ago it was a wild and wooly place, but there were a fair number of intelligent discussions of audio. At some point certain people became dissatisfied with the direction things were going and decided to do everything they could to force certain people away. Frankly I'm just about the only person on their "hit list" that still stops by. I disagree with the others who flame you for the same reasons. If you guys can ever decide to make peace (hint: requires consumption of a significant portion of crow) it will be a good thing. In the meantime I refuse to join the war. I think that staying clear of RAO is a good thing to do, particularly for people who aren't yet involved in any of its long term disputes. |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
I've already offered to share some blame, but that's not good enough for all of the RAO trolls. They've said in so many words that they aren't going to be happy until I not only abandon RAO, but also commit suicide right away. Any number of specific means of suicide have been suggested any number of times. So, why do you persist in posting to RAO? Everyone else has abandoned it. It's all flames. There's nothing coherent going on over there. All that posting there has ever bought you (or anyone else) is grief. This being said, I don't understand why you not only persist in posting there but continuing to crosspost junk there into other audio groups. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
I've already offered to share some blame, but that's not good enough for all of the RAO trolls. They've said in so many words that they aren't going to be happy until I not only abandon RAO, but also commit suicide right away. Any number of specific means of suicide have been suggested any number of times. So, why do you persist in posting to RAO? Everyone else has abandoned it. It's all flames. There's nothing coherent going on over there. All that posting there has ever bought you (or anyone else) is grief. This being said, I don't understand why you not only persist in posting there but continuing to crosspost junk there into other audio groups. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: I've already offered to share some blame, but that's not good enough for all of the RAO trolls. They've said in so many words that they aren't going to be happy until I not only abandon RAO, but also commit suicide right away. Any number of specific means of suicide have been suggested any number of times. So, why do you persist in posting to RAO? A fair question. Some newbies stumble into it. I often try to help them find more productive places when they become frustrated with it. Everyone else has abandoned it. Pretty much. I am among the few remaining who post there, and are interested in audio. It's all flames. Some exceptions. There's nothing coherent going on over there. Precious little, yes. All that posting there has ever bought you (or anyone else) is grief. Pretty close to the way things have been for the last few years. I guess I'm too sentimental about the days when a lot of audio was discussed there. This being said, I don't understand why you not only persist in posting there but continuing to crosspost junk there into other audio groups. I try to seal off the crossposts. It's dirty work but someone probably has to do it. I've done that to this particular thread any number of times, but it keeps growing so many branches. After this post... |
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