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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
I just picked up an Insignia NS-DXA1 digital converter box at Best
Buy. The picture comes in clear but on some channels, I've noticed what I'd call an aliasing artifact in the sound - overly shrill and harsh on the highs. It seems to be more prevalent on certain channels. Is this an issue with this particular model/brand or a common problem? Anything that can be done about it? Thanks |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
"Doc" wrote in message ... I just picked up an Insignia NS-DXA1 digital converter box at Best Buy. The picture comes in clear but on some channels, I've noticed what I'd call an aliasing artifact in the sound - overly shrill and harsh on the highs. It seems to be more prevalent on certain channels. Is this an issue with this particular model/brand or a common problem? Anything that can be done about it? Thanks Need to know more about the rest of the system... what are you interfacing with? Are you using the digital output, and if so, into what? |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
"David Grant" wrote in message ... "Doc" wrote in message ... I just picked up an Insignia NS-DXA1 digital converter box at Best Buy. The picture comes in clear but on some channels, I've noticed what I'd call an aliasing artifact in the sound - overly shrill and harsh on the highs. It seems to be more prevalent on certain channels. Is this an issue with this particular model/brand or a common problem? Anything that can be done about it? Thanks Need to know more about the rest of the system... what are you interfacing with? Are you using the digital output, and if so, into what? Sorry, just looked up the box... no digital output. Nevermind then. |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
On Feb 20, 12:28*pm, "David Grant" wrote:
Need to know more about the rest of the system... what are you interfacing with? Are you using the digital output, and if so, into what? Just to clarify, I'm using a Walmart cheapie antenna going through an amplifier, just going to an analog TV. Actually, I've got it going through a VCR but I wouldn't think that would be an issue. As far as I can tell, it's an "it either works or it doesn't" proposition. It seems once the signal falls below a certain threshold, you don't get a picture. If it bounces around that threshold, the picture gets corrupted with pixelation artifacts. |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
In article , Doc wrote:
I just picked up an Insignia NS-DXA1 digital converter box at Best Buy. The picture comes in clear but on some channels, I've noticed what I'd call an aliasing artifact in the sound - overly shrill and harsh on the highs. It seems to be more prevalent on certain channels. Is this an issue with this particular model/brand or a common problem? Anything that can be done about it? Thanks If it sounds as good as my cell phone, you could stomp on it. Let us know what happens. I would try ANOTHER brand unit and hear what happens. It seems like there are cheaper models ?? greg |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
"Doc" wrote in message
I just picked up an Insignia NS-DXA1 digital converter box at Best Buy. AFAIK Insignia is a BB house brand. The picture comes in clear but on some channels, I've noticed what I'd call an aliasing artifact in the sound - overly shrill and harsh on the highs. It seems to be more prevalent on certain channels. Interesting. I watch HDTV using a HDTV receiver card in my PC. Sound seems to be OK. Is this an issue with this particular model/brand or a common problem? I noticed some mixed reviews of the device at the BB web site. IMO, it is low-featured and under-specified. Anything that can be done about it? Take it back and get a good one? |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
GregS wrote:
...snip... I just love digital picture artifacts. greg Green Xenon (aka:Radium) is that you? Later... Ron Capik -- |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
On 2ÔÂ21ÈÕ, ÉÏÎç1ʱ25·Ö, Doc wrote:
I just picked up an Insignia NS-DXA1 digital converter box at Best Buy. The picture comes in clear but on some channels, I've noticed what I'd call an aliasing artifact in the sound - overly shrill and harsh on the highs. It seems to be more prevalent on certain channels. Is this an issue with this particular model/brand or a common problem? Anything that can be done about it? Thanks http://www.885921.com/channel.php?cid=19 |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
On 2ÔÂ21ÈÕ, ÉÏÎç2ʱ17·Ö, Ron Capik wrote:
GregS wrote: ...snip... I just love digital picture artifacts. greg Green Xenon (aka:Radium) is that you? Later... Ron Capik -- http://www.885921.com/channel.php?cid=19 |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
On Feb 20, 1:15*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
I noticed some mixed reviews of the device at the BB web site. IMO, it is low-featured and under-specified. I'll have to check out the BB site. I got it because I happened to be in the store. By "under-specified" what are you referring to? As far as features, the user interface seems pretty well thought out and intuitive. I don't know what other features I'd expect it to have. One of the very useful features is a beep tone for adjusting the antenna so you can tell if the signal is getting stronger or weaker without having to see the screen, though there is a "thermometer" display as well. The only problem I really have is the sound issue, which unfortunately is a pretty major issue. I'll be taking it back if I don't divine something that can be done about it. |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
"Doc" wrote in message
On Feb 20, 1:15 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: I noticed some mixed reviews of the device at the BB web site. IMO, it is low-featured and under-specified. I'll have to check out the BB site. I got it because I happened to be in the store. By "under-specified" what are you referring to? The only specs for it that I can find are like the dimensions of its case, and other equally obvious stuff. For me, the lack of anything but a simple coax connector for video is a stopper. Lots of people have TV sets with S-video and component video inputs, that would give a better picture. |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
On Feb 20, 12:25 pm, Doc wrote:
I just picked up an Insignia NS-DXA1 digital converter box at Best Buy. The picture comes in clear but on some channels, I've noticed what I'd call an aliasing artifact in the sound - overly shrill and harsh on the highs. It seems to be more prevalent on certain channels. That's interesting and somewhat disappointing. I have an old TV set and don't watch enough to justify cable or a new set, so I'll probably buy a digital converter when my $40 coupon arrives. I haven't looked at the units available yet since I'm not ready to buy. I live down in a hole and I have a lot of multipath interference here, even with an outside rotatable antenna. On one of the local channels, I can get decent sound or decent picture by turning the antenna a few degrees, but not both. I wonder if this will improve with digital transmission, or if I just won't get anything. |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
On Feb 20, 12:25 pm, Doc wrote: I just picked up an Insignia NS-DXA1 digital converter box at Best Buy. The picture comes in clear but on some channels, I've noticed what I'd call an aliasing artifact in the sound - overly shrill and harsh on the highs. It seems to be more prevalent on certain channels. That's interesting and somewhat disappointing. I have an old TV set and don't watch enough to justify cable or a new set, so I'll probably buy a digital converter when my $40 coupon arrives. I haven't looked at the units available yet since I'm not ready to buy. If maximizing value is your goal, you probably don't want to buy into this game early. I live down in a hole and I have a lot of multipath interference here, even with an outside rotatable antenna. On one of the local channels, I can get decent sound or decent picture by turning the antenna a few degrees, but not both. I wonder if this will improve with digital transmission, or if I just won't get anything. Well, the good news with digital TV is that if you get sound, you will get picture, and if you get picture, you will get sound. Not only that, for every main channel you will usually get 2-3 different programs concurrently, if you get one. Interestingly enough this rule breaks down for HDTV QAM channels on cable. My local Comcast system has 333 digital channels, but as promised, only about a dozen of them are watchable without a magic decoder ring. At this point the magic decoder ring for PCs requires total re-engineering of the whole PC from the BIOS on up. A number of Comcast's 333 digital channels have sound, but put up a nifty blue graphic of a FM radio, even though the sound is clearly from one of the cable channels. Comcast's technical staff are about as much on the ball as ever, I guess. ;-) |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Doc" wrote in message On Feb 20, 1:15 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: I noticed some mixed reviews of the device at the BB web site. IMO, it is low-featured and under-specified. I'll have to check out the BB site. I got it because I happened to be in the store. By "under-specified" what are you referring to? The only specs for it that I can find are like the dimensions of its case, and other equally obvious stuff. For me, the lack of anything but a simple coax connector for video is a stopper. Lots of people have TV sets with S-video and component video inputs, that would give a better picture. Proof? |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
Mike Rivers wrote:
I live down in a hole and I have a lot of multipath interference here, even with an outside rotatable antenna. On one of the local channels, I can get decent sound or decent picture by turning the antenna a few degrees, but not both. I wonder if this will improve with digital transmission, or if I just won't get anything. It will. The one major advantage of the digital format is the ability to deal with severe multipath. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
... Mike Rivers wrote: I live down in a hole and I have a lot of multipath interference here, even with an outside rotatable antenna. On one of the local channels, I can get decent sound or decent picture by turning the antenna a few degrees, but not both. I wonder if this will improve with digital transmission, or if I just won't get anything. It will. The one major advantage of the digital format is the ability to deal with severe multipath. It depends on how severe "severe" is. |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
Mike Rivers wrote: I live down in a hole and I have a lot of multipath interference here, even with an outside rotatable antenna. On one of the local channels, I can get decent sound or decent picture by turning the antenna a few degrees, but not both. I wonder if this will improve with digital transmission, or if I just won't get anything. It will. The one major advantage of the digital format is the ability to deal with severe multipath. Agreed. There seem to be but 3 states of HDTV reception: 1. No picture, no sound, everything blanked. 2. Stop-motion picture and/or intermittent sound 3. About as good as it gets. |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
William Sommerwerck wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... Mike Rivers wrote: I live down in a hole and I have a lot of multipath interference here, even with an outside rotatable antenna. On one of the local channels, I can get decent sound or decent picture by turning the antenna a few degrees, but not both. I wonder if this will improve with digital transmission, or if I just won't get anything. It will. The one major advantage of the digital format is the ability to deal with severe multipath. It depends on how severe "severe" is. It is able to deal with more severe multipath than I would be willing to deal with for analogue broadcast. However, my father would be willing to put up with nearly anything if the Steelers are playing. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
On Feb 20, 11:25 am, Doc wrote:
I just picked up an Insignia NS-DXA1 digital converter box at Best Buy. The picture comes in clear but on some channels, I've noticed what I'd call an aliasing artifact in the sound - overly shrill and harsh on the highs. It seems to be more prevalent on certain channels. Is this an issue with this particular model/brand or a common problem? Anything that can be done about it? Thanks I have similar problems with my new HDTV. One of my local channels has that problem, but only for live broadcasts, mainly of news programs. All other channels are fine. I have not yet pinged on the station, but I am assuming that they are having some problems with their audio setup. Their analog station is fine, it is only on their digital channel that I notice this. Also, I notice this on the national news broadcast on that channel. So I assume the problem is at the transmitter, not at their local news studio. |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:57:15 -0500, Arny Krueger wrote:
For me, the lack of anything but a simple coax connector for video is a stopper. Lots of people have TV sets with S-video and component video inputs, that would give a better picture. I don't think boxes with component outputs are eligible for the voucher program. |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message
news On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:57:15 -0500, Arny Krueger wrote: For me, the lack of anything but a simple coax connector for video is a stopper. Lots of people have TV sets with S-video and component video inputs, that would give a better picture. I don't think boxes with component outputs are eligible for the voucher program. Ya can't buy my videophile card for $40, Mr. Big government. ;-) |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
"trotsky" wrote in message
news:lXevj.43609$yE1.7395@attbi_s21 Arny Krueger wrote: "Doc" wrote in message On Feb 20, 1:15 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: I noticed some mixed reviews of the device at the BB web site. IMO, it is low-featured and under-specified. I'll have to check out the BB site. I got it because I happened to be in the store. By "under-specified" what are you referring to? The only specs for it that I can find are like the dimensions of its case, and other equally obvious stuff. For me, the lack of anything but a simple coax connector for video is a stopper. Lots of people have TV sets with S-video and component video inputs, that would give a better picture. Proof? Are you saying that you can't tell the difference in picture quality betwen a good TV running off of a plain old baseband coax output, and CV, where the source material is first rate HDTV? |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
On Feb 21, 7:58*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
For me, the lack of anything but a simple coax connector for video is a stopper. Lots of people have TV sets with S-video and component video inputs, that would give a better picture. Proof? Are you saying that you can't tell the difference in picture quality betwen a good TV running off of a plain old baseband coax output, and CV, where the source material is first rate HDTV? Depending on the quality of the Y/C separator in the set, the difference could be very subtle. As far as the source being HD, you're converting it back to NTSC. If you had a really good feed before, how could you tell a difference? The best source I ever saw on the old 35" set was the 2003 Rose Parade on analog OTA KTLA down converted from the HD feed. GG |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
On Feb 21, 7:42 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
If maximizing value is your goal, you probably don't want to buy into this game early. I'm not eager to buy any time before the signals go away. Nor am I particularly interested in maximizing value. I just want to watch something dumb on TV when rec.audio.pro stops amusing me. |
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On Feb 21, 10:12 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
It is able to deal with more severe multipath than I would be willing to deal with for analogue broadcast. However, my father would be willing to put up with nearly anything if the Steelers are playing. Most people wouldn't put up with the picture that I get. But then a lot of the time when I'm on the couch with the TV on, I'm reading the newspaper anyway. |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
crossposts noted
Doc wrote: I just picked up an Insignia NS-DXA1 digital converter box at Best Buy. The picture comes in clear but on some channels, I've noticed what I'd call an aliasing artifact in the sound - overly shrill and harsh on the highs. It seems to be more prevalent on certain channels. Is this an issue with this particular model/brand or a common problem? Anything that can be done about it? Thanks Yeah, I've been there with that "aliasing artifact." Advice: Don't necessarily throw rocks at the Insignia Box. Rule of thumb for me: Two channels derived from OTA seems to work well. Two-channels derived from whatever is on cable might be harsh (but not always). I've had this sound problem with both our 'digital SD' cable box (SA 2100) and with translation of 5.1 sound into two-channel sound by our HD box (SA 4240). (Haven't sprung for a receiver yet as we are in 'technology overload' around here.) There are probably better ways of connecting the 4240 to our HDTV but that's way down my list of things-to-do. (As an aside, here's Rule #2 for Home Technology: Do not buy identical Harmony remotes for two separate systems, then fail to label them and write down the login's and passwords for the online profiles.) 'Harsh' was definitely noticeable during the ProBowl game. We ran sets in three rooms. One was feeding a R-L signal from the Cox 4240 into our projection HDTV--harsh. When I switched the HDTV to OTA and let the HDTV convert the broadcast sound into it's own "surround-sound" the sound was fine (this HDTV would probably be classified as a 3.1 with some screwball, Bose-like, phase shifting to 'fill the room.') In another room, Cox's 2100 box was converting cable's digital (SD) signal into 480i and two-channel 'stereo' for an older CRT set. That set also sounded "harsh." (I tend to blame Cox cable for something it was doing with the Fox signal.) In a third room, we had an older EDTV plasma running from a Samsung 451 tuner, OTA (bunny ears) with R-L audio (being decoded from whatever the local Fox station was putting out on its DTV signal) -- that one sounded clean. Things will probably be better a year from now. Meanwhile, keep a cooler of cold beer near the TV and use it as needed to take the edge off the sound. {;-) -- pj |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
On Feb 21, 4:57*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
For me, the lack of anything but a simple coax connector for video is a stopper. Lots of people have TV sets with S-video and component video inputs, that would give a better picture. Actually, it also has composite jacks. I assume it's oriented toward those like myself who have analog tv's and no cable. Mine has composite jacks but some older sets don't. I would imagine there are few people with a 16:9 High-def tv running off rabbit ears. I would assume they mostly have cable or whatever. Don't most of the newer 16:9's have tuners built in? Something that's not clear to me, some of the stations specify "HD" but can you get a high-def image over the air or do you have to have cable, satellite etc? I realize it's not applicable to an analog tv in any case. However, I'm struck by how much better the image is even on this cheap tv than I ever saw with even the strongest analog station in the area. |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
"G-squared" wrote in message
On Feb 21, 7:58 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: For me, the lack of anything but a simple coax connector for video is a stopper. Lots of people have TV sets with S-video and component video inputs, that would give a better picture. Proof? Are you saying that you can't tell the difference in picture quality betwen a good TV running off of a plain old baseband coax output, and CV, where the source material is first rate HDTV? Depending on the quality of the Y/C separator in the set, the difference could be very subtle. CV (YUV) from sources from other than a NTSC TV signal need not pass through a Y/C separator. The NTSC Y/C separator inside the TV set can't possibly have as much bandwidth of a good quality CV decoder driven by a first rate HDTV signal. Even just S-Video can have more bandwidth than a NTSC signal can handle. As far as the source being HD, you're converting it back to NTSC. CV need not be downconverted to NTSC for analog TVs that can properly handle CV. I don't know why one would do such a thing unless there was some NTSC stumbling block in the signal path. If you had a really good feed before, how could you tell a difference? The really good feed can come from a higher bandwidth source than mere NTSC. The best source I ever saw on the old 35" set was the 2003 Rose Parade on analog OTA KTLA down converted from the HD feed. The old 35" set probably didn't have YUV inputs. |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
"David Grant" wrote in message
... "Doc" wrote in message ... I just picked up an Insignia NS-DXA1 digital converter box at Best Buy. The picture comes in clear but on some channels, I've noticed what I'd call an aliasing artifact in the sound - overly shrill and harsh on the highs. It seems to be more prevalent on certain channels. Is this an issue with this particular model/brand or a common problem? Anything that can be done about it? Thanks Need to know more about the rest of the system... what are you interfacing with? Are you using the digital output, and if so, into what? ============================= That box has NO digital output! |
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"Doc" wrote in message
... On Feb 20, 1:15 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: I noticed some mixed reviews of the device at the BB web site. IMO, it is low-featured and under-specified. I'll have to check out the BB site. I got it because I happened to be in the store. By "under-specified" what are you referring to? ============================ See my review on the site. The unit is one of the higher priced and has NO digital audio out and it has NO S-Video out! =============================== |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
Arny Krueger wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message news:lXevj.43609$yE1.7395@attbi_s21 Arny Krueger wrote: "Doc" wrote in message On Feb 20, 1:15 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: I noticed some mixed reviews of the device at the BB web site. IMO, it is low-featured and under-specified. I'll have to check out the BB site. I got it because I happened to be in the store. By "under-specified" what are you referring to? The only specs for it that I can find are like the dimensions of its case, and other equally obvious stuff. For me, the lack of anything but a simple coax connector for video is a stopper. Lots of people have TV sets with S-video and component video inputs, that would give a better picture. Proof? Are you saying that you can't tell the difference in picture quality betwen a good TV running off of a plain old baseband coax output, and CV, where the source material is first rate HDTV? Not if they're ABX'd, no. |
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"trotsky" wrote in message
news:85kvj.43691$9j6.146@attbi_s22 Arny Krueger wrote: "trotsky" wrote in message news:lXevj.43609$yE1.7395@attbi_s21 Arny Krueger wrote: "Doc" wrote in message On Feb 20, 1:15 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: I noticed some mixed reviews of the device at the BB web site. IMO, it is low-featured and under-specified. I'll have to check out the BB site. I got it because I happened to be in the store. By "under-specified" what are you referring to? The only specs for it that I can find are like the dimensions of its case, and other equally obvious stuff. For me, the lack of anything but a simple coax connector for video is a stopper. Lots of people have TV sets with S-video and component video inputs, that would give a better picture. Proof? Are you saying that you can't tell the difference in picture quality betwen a good TV running off of a plain old baseband coax output, and CV, where the source material is first rate HDTV? Not if they're ABX'd, no. We've done video ABX tests and had results that were pretty consistent with the video state of the art. I take it that you have had some problems? |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On Feb 21, 10:12 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote: It is able to deal with more severe multipath than I would be willing to deal with for analogue broadcast. However, my father would be willing to put up with nearly anything if the Steelers are playing. Most people wouldn't put up with the picture that I get. But then a lot of the time when I'm on the couch with the TV on, I'm reading the newspaper anyway. I've actually started watching TV now that I get it in HD. I'm sure I'll quit when the neato factor wears off. Digital reception over here is WAY better than analog, it's clear as a bell and there are more channels on digital than analog. Rabbit ears are all that I need and multipath doesn't seem to be an issue at all (if it is, I can't tell from where I'm sitting) |
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That box has NO digital output! Hence my follow-up post over 24hours ago. |
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Doug Smith W9WI wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:57:15 -0500, Arny Krueger wrote: For me, the lack of anything but a simple coax connector for video is a stopper. Lots of people have TV sets with S-video and component video inputs, that would give a better picture. I don't think boxes with component outputs are eligible for the voucher program. Who said anything about a voucher program? -- jer email reply - I am not a 'ten' |
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On Feb 21, 11:48*am, Doc wrote:
On Feb 21, 4:57*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: For me, the lack of anything but a simple coax connector for video is a stopper. Lots of people have TV sets with S-video and component video inputs, that would give a better picture. Actually, it also has composite jacks. I assume it's oriented toward those like myself who have analog tv's and no cable. Mine has composite jacks but some older sets don't. *I would imagine there are few people with a 16:9 High-def tv running off rabbit ears. I would assume they mostly have cable or whatever. Don't most of the newer 16:9's have tuners built in? Most do have ATSC/QAM tuners. But don't dismiss rabbit ears. } Sure, the majority of people use some cable or satellite service, but I'm one of the minority who only watches OTA. Since the switch to digital broadcasts, all the broadcasts in my area are easier to receive and *far* better quality. Something that's not clear to me, some of the stations specify "HD" but can you get a high-def image over the air or do you have to have cable, satellite etc? I realize it's not applicable to an analog tv in any case. Did I miss something? Are you asking if HD broadcasts are available over-the-air? Of course they are. All the networks and most of the major independents broadcast quite a bit of HD these days. All it takes is the appropriate antenna (for most people near the broadcast towers, that could be rabbit ears - Don't forget, unless you live with a particular reception problem, like a mountain in the way, or live in an extreme fringe area, (over 40 miles away) digital broadcast are usually much easier to receive than the analog broadcasts. ) and an HDTV with an ATSC tuner (which is pretty much all of them for the last 2 years). Of course an external ATSC tuner can be used if needed. However, I'm struck by how much better the image is even on this cheap tv than I ever saw with even the strongest analog station in the area. Certainly. } I use a DVD recorder with an ATSC tuner to feed my remaining analog TV set. Even downconverted for a standard tube TV, the improvement in quality is obvious except for the most perfect of analog broadcasts. Dan (Woj...) |
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On Feb 21, 3:39*pm, dmaster wrote:
Something that's not clear to me, some of the stations specify "HD" but can you get a high-def image over the air or do you have to have cable, satellite etc? I realize it's not applicable to an analog tv in any case. Did I miss something? *Are you asking if HD broadcasts are available over-the-air? * Nope, you've grasped what I was asking. It wasn't clear to me if HD is available over the air or if you had to pay for it. Your answer clarified this. However, I still don't like how HD TV looks when viewed on actual HD TV's and computer monitors, all kinds of artifacts that I find I don't see on an analog set - at the top of the list is the "swarm of bees" effect whenever there's motion. Everyone says "you haven't seen a good one set up correctly" etc. I have yet to see one, either in someone's house or set up in special display areas to showcase them in the stores, whether the source is Blu-Ray, HD disc, or off whatever feed they have that I haven't had a problem with. Is it possible there isn't ONE competent setup person in ANY of the stores around here? I'll find a big analog TV so I can get a decent-sized letterbox image until it dies and I can't find another one and have no other choice. |
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Harsh, "aliased" sound with digital TV converter box.
True but the subject is the subsidized converter box which
is NOT intended to be the best performance. Hello? The subsidy is a fixed discount. The government doesn't care which converter you buy, as long as it meets certain minimum standards. |
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