Where does the airy nature of the sub amp, the high damping factor, the
warmth of the sound, and the precision of the control of the cone come into
play?


When bridging, although I have never found it to be that noticeable to the
ear.


You have argued that thier are sonic differences in amps, but I did not see
that in your list of reasons. Now you are saying that you have not found it to
be noticeable to the ear. Which is it?

Les

Captain Howdy wrote: " If i'm not mistaken PG had something like it called a
basscube, it just never became as popular as the epicenter for some reason."

The basscube is a subwoofer volume controller that allows you to choose the
frequency of boost and the Q.

Tony



--



What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the
universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that
he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't
have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact

"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
...
The bass boost is a totally waste, most hu's have that built-in. If it was
bass restoration that would be a diiferent story such as the epicenter. If
i'm
not mistaken PG had something like it called a basscube, it just never
became
as popular as the epicenter for some reason.


In article , "Tony Fernandes"
wrote:
Captain Howdy wrote: "Why is everyone in here so hung up on features"

Wow. Really a serious question?

My PG ZX amps are extrememly flexible. Continuously variable LP/HP
xovers.
Selectible LP/HP/BP RCA outputs. Dash-mount sub control. Digital
diagnostics port (never used these personally, but maybe one day).
Variable
speed cooling fans. Small size. Bass boost (never used this very much
either, but I can totally see why a LOT of people would need this based
on
their personal preference). And complete connectivity to a lot of other
PG
amp accessories. I love my amps. Features go a LONG way for me.

Tony

That right, I can't tell the difference between an amp running stereo or
bridged. What's the problem?

In article ,
othanks (Soundfreak03) wrote:
Where does the airy nature of the sub amp, the high damping factor, the
warmth of the sound, and the precision of the control of the cone come into
play?


When bridging, although I have never found it to be that noticeable to the
ear.


You have argued that thier are sonic differences in amps, but I did not see
that in your list of reasons. Now you are saying that you have not found it to
be noticeable to the ear. Which is it?

Les

Oh okay.


In article , "Tony Fernandes"
wrote:
Captain Howdy wrote: " If i'm not mistaken PG had something like it called a
basscube, it just never became as popular as the epicenter for some reason."

The basscube is a subwoofer volume controller that allows you to choose the
frequency of boost and the Q.

Tony

I wanted to quote something from the Feb/March issue of Mobile
Entertainment. I just adds to that which many of you have already stated:

MYTH #3: (of the top 5 sound-off competition myths) GET A HIGH-END AMPLIFER.
"A watt is a watt. I doubt most people can hear the difference between
amplifiers unless you push them into clipping anyway." -Scott Buwalda.

I won't list all his IASCA championship trophies, but they're quite
extensive.

Tony






What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the
universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that
he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't
have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact

Externally bridgable amps come into play here such as the Directed 600D
and 1100D. Crossfire 1000D also comes to mind and a few others that I
can't remember the model numbers to at the moment. Can be had relatively
inexpensive on ebay or even sometimes in a shop and produce balls out
power. I don't quite recall on the older-style Directeds, but the
current style have synced gains wherein when the gain or other features
are set on one amplifier, the amp that is externally bridged to it uses
those same settings. Really quite a time saver when setting up bi-amping
subwoofers, etc. Quite popular for the dBDrag crowd. I have several
older and newer style myself.

Brandonb


Mark Zarella wrote:

There is nothing that I hate more then trying
to tune a pair of amps with an oscilloscope and a tone generator, because on
average it takes me a better part of a week to tune a system with just a
single amps per each sound range.


That's why I never biamp a sub. I can't think of many reasons why you would
have to, unless you're into some really exotic dB drag stuff.

"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
...
It says right on the amp that it's 200watts. LOL

In article , "Mark Zarella"
wrote:
There is nothing wrong with it other then it being extremely under
rated
and
the fact that not many amps in it's class will keep up to it's rated
200
watts. How many 200watt amps have you seen that need to be fused at
120amps.

If it's underrated, then it's not a 200 watt amp.

Mark is saying that it shouldn't be listed as a 200 watt amp, but closer to
a 1kwrms amp.

"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
...
My point is stated below, Lester are challenged also?

I would be "Lester is challenged also" no question mark, we'll work with you
and get your skills up.

"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
...
True, but never the less, it sells amps.

if a buyer has a minutes worth of common sense they will wonder why two amps
that have they same power rating are not in the same price class. anyone
that buys an amp based upon the power rating is a noBie

"Tony Fernandes" wrote in message
...
Captain Howdy wrote: "Why is everyone in here so hung up on features"

Wow. Really a serious question?

My PG ZX amps are extrememly flexible. Continuously variable LP/HP
xovers.
Selectible LP/HP/BP RCA outputs. Dash-mount sub control. Digital
diagnostics port (never used these personally, but maybe one day).
Variable
speed cooling fans. Small size. Bass boost (never used this very much
either, but I can totally see why a LOT of people would need this based on
their personal preference). And complete connectivity to a lot of other
PG
amp accessories. I love my amps. Features go a LONG way for me.

Tony

the only reason I don't like internal x-overs is there a few amps that have
a band-pass settings, if more had this I wouldn't use an external x-over. I
still need my DEQ-30 nothing's better.

"ampdoc" wrote in message
...
So does anyone here like the US Amps products? I've looked in a couple of
them and they have a very solid design, at least the USA50HC, 100HC and
the
2000X looked good.


--
Jammy Harbin
J & J Electronics, Inc
227 S. 4Th St.
Selmer, TN 38375
731-645-3311

they're very good amps, only problem they're class A/B so you may need to
upgrade you elect. system. one last thing is that they are long like 20"+
so that is also a consideration for install purposes.

"Brian" wrote in message
om...
I spoke with Al.

I appologize for getting defensive to a few posts here. I do
appreciate and respect everyone's experience and opinion.

Its getting overwhelming trying to decide what amp to get. There's
just too many options out there. People keep suggesting more and more
different brands. There's just too many!!! Adcom, a/d/s, Audison,
Brax, Butler, Diamond, DLS, Genesis, LinearPower, McIntosh,
PhoenixGold, PPI, Xtant, Zapco...

If anyone has experience with any of these, please share your comments
as far as sound quality goes. (please name specific models) I
already tried Butler TDB-475, DLS Ultimate A3, PPI PCX-4125, and Zapco
C2K-6.0X.

Thank you.

great guy, all those are great amps, I would take a few weeks, months and
look at all the amps you can. to see how they fit in the car, intergrate
with your system. The Butler is a tube amp you have to like the sound.
Nothing on the DLS amps but the mids/tweets are above average. PPI is PPI
not great, but will give you every watt you pay for. and the Zapco is a
class leader lots of power and features if you can find a pre-owned one you
found a deal if not it's a lot to bit off.

one amp that I still love if you can find a non abused one, is the old MXT
2300 almost 1kwrms and it was clean and cool.

what exactly do you mean by "abuse"? Arent they built to be driven?Thats why
people buy a 1kw amp.

"Tha Ghee" wrote in message
...
one amp that I still love if you can find a non abused one, is the old MXT
2300 almost 1kwrms and it was clean and cool.

I think that Tha Ghee mounts his amps on the front bumper and asumes we all
do.


In article , "wicked1"
wrote:
what exactly do you mean by "abuse"? Arent they built to be driven?Thats why
people buy a 1kw amp.

"Tha Ghee" wrote in message
...
one amp that I still love if you can find a non abused one, is the old MXT
2300 almost 1kwrms and it was clean and cool.

Wait, isn't this ghee's car?

"http://www.beaterz.com/one_liners/1000/100009_boomin_system.htm"

"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
...
I think that Tha Ghee mounts his amps on the front bumper and asumes we
all
do.


In article , "wicked1"
wrote:
what exactly do you mean by "abuse"? Arent they built to be driven?Thats
why
people buy a 1kw amp.

"Tha Ghee" wrote in message
...
one amp that I still love if you can find a non abused one, is the old
MXT
2300 almost 1kwrms and it was clean and cool.

LOL

In article , "Mark Zarella"
wrote:
Wait, isn't this ghee's car?

"http://www.beaterz.com/one_liners/1000/100009_boomin_system.htm"

"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
...
I think that Tha Ghee mounts his amps on the front bumper and asumes we
all
do.


In article , "wicked1"
wrote:
what exactly do you mean by "abuse"? Arent they built to be driven?Thats
why
people buy a 1kw amp.

"Tha Ghee" wrote in message
...
one amp that I still love if you can find a non abused one, is the old
MXT
2300 almost 1kwrms and it was clean and cool.

"wicked1" wrote in message
...
what exactly do you mean by "abuse"? Arent they built to be driven?Thats
why
people buy a 1kw amp.

no people would run them at 1 ohm not give it enough vrms, not have proper
ventilation. that's abuse.

"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
...
I think that Tha Ghee mounts his amps on the front bumper and asumes we
all
do.

well I don't need to mount them in my mummies car like you I have my own
vehicle. I've forgot more about car audio then you know or ignored on here.
come on CH you don't know enough to put in a double din let alone ascend to
my level.

"Mark Zarella" wrote in message
...
Wait, isn't this ghee's car?

"http://www.beaterz.com/one_liners/1000/100009_boomin_system.htm"


that was alsmost funny what do you drive?? I have and 02 A6 4.2Q. now
don't post what you saw at the lot over the weekend.

that was alsmost funny what do you drive??

What do you care? If you wanted to know, I'm sure you could find out with a
google search.

By the way, my reference was clearly about the installation, not the car.
Context, my good man, context.

errrr, my bank owns a 02 A6 4.2Q they let me drive for a fee of $550, and
when I'm done with it I turn it in for nothing


"Tha Ghee" wrote in message
...
"Mark Zarella" wrote in message
...
Wait, isn't this ghee's car?

"http://www.beaterz.com/one_liners/1000/100009_boomin_system.htm"


that was alsmost funny what do you drive?? I have and 02 A6 4.2Q. now
don't post what you saw at the lot over the weekend.

"Mark Zarella" wrote in message
...
that was alsmost funny what do you drive??

What do you care? If you wanted to know, I'm sure you could find out with
a
google search.

By the way, my reference was clearly about the installation, not the car.
Context, my good man, context.

are you scared to talk about the bucket you drive??

"ReEfErMaDnEsS" wrote in message
news:%1fRb.153559$I06.1548508@attbi_s01...
errrr, my bank owns a 02 A6 4.2Q they let me drive for a fee of $550, and
when I'm done with it I turn it in for nothing


do you want a cookie or something I pay that much and it's not a lease.

By the way, my reference was clearly about the installation, not the
car.
Context, my good man, context.

are you scared to talk about the bucket you drive??

That must be it.

good for you...paying way too much for a gussied up Volkswagen

Me....I got a regular GM car and I put the extra $325 a month in my
retirement


"Tha Ghee" wrote in message
...
"ReEfErMaDnEsS" wrote in message
news:%1fRb.153559$I06.1548508@attbi_s01...
errrr, my bank owns a 02 A6 4.2Q they let me drive for a fee of $550,
and
when I'm done with it I turn it in for nothing


do you want a cookie or something I pay that much and it's not a lease.

good for you...paying way too much for a gussied up Volkswagen

Me....I got a regular GM car and I put the extra $325 a month in my
retirement

Wait a second. I thought everyone on the internet drove Porsches and BMWs??

we do!


"Mark Zarella" wrote in message
...
good for you...paying way too much for a gussied up Volkswagen

Me....I got a regular GM car and I put the extra $325 a month in my
retirement

Wait a second. I thought everyone on the internet drove Porsches and
BMWs??

are you scared to talk about the bucket you drive??

That must be it.


Must be a pretty good sounding bucket!!! Your using madison's right?

Les

Well I have 2 VWs and VW owns Porsche so YES!


Paul Vina





"Mark Zarella" wrote in message
...
good for you...paying way too much for a gussied up Volkswagen

Me....I got a regular GM car and I put the extra $325 a month in my
retirement

Wait a second. I thought everyone on the internet drove Porsches and
BMWs??

"Mark Zarella" wrote in message
...
By the way, my reference was clearly about the installation, not the
car.
Context, my good man, context.

are you scared to talk about the bucket you drive??

That must be it.

then what is it??

"Soundfreak03" wrote in message
...
are you scared to talk about the bucket you drive??

That must be it.


Must be a pretty good sounding bucket!!! Your using madison's right?

Les

seen a lot of cheap cars with great systems happens all the time.

That must be it.

then what is it??

What do you care, stalker?

"ReEfErMaDnEsS" wrote in message
news:gMDRb.40058$U%5.220639@attbi_s03...
good for you...paying way too much for a gussied up Volkswagen

Me....I got a regular GM car and I put the extra $325 a month in my
retirement


no VW comes with a "V-8" and AWD. I have my Roth for retirement.

"Mark Zarella" wrote in message
...
good for you...paying way too much for a gussied up Volkswagen

Me....I got a regular GM car and I put the extra $325 a month in my
retirement

Wait a second. I thought everyone on the internet drove Porsches and
BMWs??

not at all a lot of people try to act like they have great cars but many
don't. but one day they car get a good key chain.

no VW comes with a "V-8" and AWD. I have my Roth for retirement.

I swear, car washes are being way too generous to their employees
nowadays...

Wait a second. I thought everyone on the internet drove Porsches and
BMWs??

not at all a lot of people try to act like they have great cars but many
don't. but one day they car get a good key chain.

Clearly I was being facetious.

ahhhh yes there is idiot

http://www.vw.com/phaeton/


"Tha Ghee" wrote in message
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"ReEfErMaDnEsS" wrote in message
news:gMDRb.40058$U%5.220639@attbi_s03...
good for you...paying way too much for a gussied up Volkswagen

Me....I got a regular GM car and I put the extra $325 a month in my
retirement


no VW comes with a "V-8" and AWD. I have my Roth for retirement.

The Toureg does. Not to mention the Passat W8 4Motion. When the Phaeton
shis this fall it will have a W12 and 4Motion.


Paul Vina




"Tha Ghee" wrote in message
...
"ReEfErMaDnEsS" wrote in message
news:gMDRb.40058$U%5.220639@attbi_s03...
good for you...paying way too much for a gussied up Volkswagen

Me....I got a regular GM car and I put the extra $325 a month in my
retirement


no VW comes with a "V-8" and AWD. I have my Roth for retirement.

not at all a lot of people try to act like they have great cars but many
don't. but one day they car get a good key chain.


?????????????

Can someone please translate this into English for me?

Les