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On 5/13/2017 6:20 PM, gray_wolf wrote:
https://www.engadget.com/2017/05/12/...long-live-aac/ Whot's dis aboot? Alternative facts. There's no reason why MP3 to be abandoned. In fact, now that it's license-free, there will probably be more software available to convert good recordings to high bit rate MP3 files. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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And the key there is "high" bitrate -
256kbps or higher. It's not the format that makes the difference, it's the production! *Unless you're ripping to slaggard bitrates, like 128, which I wouldn't use even to store a phone conversation!  |
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On 5/13/2017 6:57 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 5/13/2017 6:20 PM, gray_wolf wrote: https://www.engadget.com/2017/05/12/...long-live-aac/ Whot's dis aboot? Alternative facts. There's no reason why MP3 to be abandoned. In fact, now that it's license-free, there will probably be more software available to convert good recordings to high bit rate MP3 files. I'll just wait and see I suppose. At my age I probably couldn't hear the difference :-) I've been seeing more flac in the past few years. Never see ape or ogg anymore |
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On 5/14/2017 4:23 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
I'll just wait and see I suppose. At my age I probably couldn't hear the difference :-) I've been seeing more flac in the past few years. Never see ape or ogg anymore The thing about MP3 is that, for better or worse (which is a function of the person creating the file), it's a well established standard for audio files. Everybody has something that can play it. The only time I ever used OGG for my own work was when I was trying out a recording app that didn't offer MP3 conversion because the maker didn't want to pay for the license. I didn't like that app very much so I didn't bother with it, though I notice that a recent release (after the MP3 patent expired) now includes an MP3 codec. I remember when Real Audio was the standard and I had to get software to play MP3 files. It wasn't long after that when there was a lot of software that would play most audio formats, but that Windows Media could only be played with the Windows Media Player. So many standards, so little time. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On 14/05/2017 9:22 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 5/14/2017 4:23 AM, gray_wolf wrote: I'll just wait and see I suppose. At my age I probably couldn't hear the difference :-) I've been seeing more flac in the past few years. Never see ape or ogg anymore The thing about MP3 is that, for better or worse (which is a function of the person creating the file), it's a well established standard for audio files. Everybody has something that can play it. The only time I ever used OGG for my own work was when I was trying out a recording app that didn't offer MP3 conversion because the maker didn't want to pay for the license. I didn't like that app very much so I didn't bother with it, though I notice that a recent release (after the MP3 patent expired) now includes an MP3 codec. Even though LAME "Aint an MP3 Encoder", it's always worked pretty well with all MP3 decoders, and is free! Have been using LameXP for a long time now to create both MP3 and FLAC versions of all my CD's. Trevor. |
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On 5/14/2017 8:42 AM, Trevor wrote:
Even though LAME "Aint an MP3 Encoder", it's always worked pretty well with all MP3 decoders, and is free! Have been using LameXP for a long time now to create both MP3 and FLAC versions of all my CD's. Me, too. Proprietary software doesn't remain unique for very long. People say that some MP3 encoders are better than others (LAME being one of the better ones) with Fraunhofer being the best, but, frankly, I never worried about it. If I cared about the best quality, I'd just use WAV files. If I wanted more audio in less storage space, it was something for which fidelity wasn't critical for me. How much aural accuracy can you appreciate when driving on the Interstate or flying across the country? -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 7:22:26 AM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 5/14/2017 4:23 AM, gray_wolf wrote: I'll just wait and see I suppose. At my age I probably couldn't hear the difference :-) I've been seeing more flac in the past few years. Never see ape or ogg anymore The thing about MP3 is that, for better or worse (which is a function of the person creating the file), it's a well established standard for audio files. Everybody has something that can play it. The only time I ever used OGG for my own work was when I was trying out a recording app that didn't offer MP3 conversion because the maker didn't want to pay for the license. I didn't like that app very much so I didn't bother with it, though I notice that a recent release (after the MP3 patent expired) now includes an MP3 codec. ..OGG is often use to trade multi-tracks, but requires many files. I GUESS .Mogg means Multiple Oggs. Jack I remember when Real Audio was the standard and I had to get software to play MP3 files. It wasn't long after that when there was a lot of software that would play most audio formats, but that Windows Media could only be played with the Windows Media Player. So many standards, so little time. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 4:23:48 AM UTC-4, gray_wolf wrote:
On 5/13/2017 6:57 PM, Mike Rivers wrote: On 5/13/2017 6:20 PM, gray_wolf wrote: https://www.engadget.com/2017/05/12/...long-live-aac/ Whot's dis aboot? Alternative facts. There's no reason why MP3 to be abandoned. In fact, now that it's license-free, there will probably be more software available to convert good recordings to high bit rate MP3 files. I'll just wait and see I suppose. At my age I probably couldn't hear the difference :-) I've been seeing more flac in the past few years. Never see ape or ogg anymore You MAY not lose anything with Flac, but horrible sounding audio will sound just that way in ANY format. Back in the Napster days, I founds a song I liked, it was only 96kpbs. However, it sounded better than the average 128 and 160 kbps MP3. People are bean counters, higher bitrate to them means higher quality sound. Right. Jack |
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On 14/05/2017 00:57, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 5/13/2017 6:20 PM, gray_wolf wrote: https://www.engadget.com/2017/05/12/...long-live-aac/ Whot's dis aboot? Alternative facts. There's no reason why MP3 to be abandoned. In fact, now that it's license-free, there will probably be more software available to convert good recordings to high bit rate MP3 files. LAME has been doing a very good job of producing MP3 compatible files for a long time now, and is available for all platforms except, maybe, Apple. What will mainly be affected are small hand held recorders, if the makers are licencing the mp3 production software and hardware from Technicolor. Companies like Zoom will either have to find another way to encde the files or start using other formats, which opens a wjole can of worms for playback, as most players are firmware enabled for .mp3 or ..wav only. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 14/05/2017 11:05 PM, John Williamson wrote:
LAME has been doing a very good job of producing MP3 compatible files for a long time now, and is available for all platforms except, maybe, Apple. What will mainly be affected are small hand held recorders, if the makers are licencing the mp3 production software and hardware from Technicolor. Companies like Zoom will either have to find another way to encde the files or start using other formats, which opens a wjole can of worms for playback, as most players are firmware enabled for .mp3 or .wav only. What have I missed? Why should Zoom need to stop providing MP3 recording and playback? Not that I have EVER used my Zoom to record in MP3 anyway. (can easily convert later if needed, and I don't need to record days at a time onto one card.) It does make a nice MP3 player though. Rather have one than any iPod. Trevor. |
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On 15/05/2017 09:09, Trevor wrote:
On 14/05/2017 11:05 PM, John Williamson wrote: LAME has been doing a very good job of producing MP3 compatible files for a long time now, and is available for all platforms except, maybe, Apple. What will mainly be affected are small hand held recorders, if the makers are licencing the mp3 production software and hardware from Technicolor. Companies like Zoom will either have to find another way to encde the files or start using other formats, which opens a wjole can of worms for playback, as most players are firmware enabled for .mp3 or .wav only. What have I missed? Why should Zoom need to stop providing MP3 recording and playback? Not that I have EVER used my Zoom to record in MP3 anyway. (can easily convert later if needed, and I don't need to record days at a time onto one card.) It does make a nice MP3 player though. Rather have one than any iPod. Technicolor and Fraunhofer have announced they will no longer be issuing licences to use their patented software and hardware to create mp3 files, and will be withdrawing support for it. As Zoom and other makers need licences to legally give their products mp3 capability, they will no longer be able to make new designs that encode audio as mp3. Current designs are licenced, and production can be continued under the terms of that licence, but new stuff isn't and won't be able to be. Alternative methods of producing files compatible with mp3 players are not affected, so we may see LAME or other encoders embedded in standalone recorders, and the firmware modified to use a Linux kernel. The problem for the makers is that they are not permitted to call the compatible files "mp3 format" or use the trademarked logo. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 5/15/2017 6:19 AM, John Williamson wrote:
Technicolor and Fraunhofer have announced they will no longer be issuing licences to use their patented software and hardware to create mp3 files, and will be withdrawing support for it. That's because the patent expired. The technology is available for anyone to use at no cost. They're moving on to making money off other things. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On 15/05/2017 8:19 PM, John Williamson wrote:
On 15/05/2017 09:09, Trevor wrote: On 14/05/2017 11:05 PM, John Williamson wrote: LAME has been doing a very good job of producing MP3 compatible files for a long time now, and is available for all platforms except, maybe, Apple. What will mainly be affected are small hand held recorders, if the makers are licencing the mp3 production software and hardware from Technicolor. Companies like Zoom will either have to find another way to encde the files or start using other formats, which opens a wjole can of worms for playback, as most players are firmware enabled for .mp3 or .wav only. What have I missed? Why should Zoom need to stop providing MP3 recording and playback? Not that I have EVER used my Zoom to record in MP3 anyway. (can easily convert later if needed, and I don't need to record days at a time onto one card.) It does make a nice MP3 player though. Rather have one than any iPod. Technicolor and Fraunhofer have announced they will no longer be issuing licences to use their patented software and hardware to create mp3 files, and will be withdrawing support for it. As Zoom and other makers need licences to legally give their products mp3 capability, they will no longer be able to make new designs that encode audio as mp3. Current designs are licenced, and production can be continued under the terms of that licence, but new stuff isn't and won't be able to be. NOT so, the reason it is no longer to be licensed is that the patents expire and it won't be necessary any more. As for support, I don't think Fraunhofer have done anything with MP3 for years anyway. Alternative methods of producing files compatible with mp3 players are not affected, so we may see LAME or other encoders embedded in standalone recorders, and the firmware modified to use a Linux kernel. The problem for the makers is that they are not permitted to call the compatible files "mp3 format" or use the trademarked logo. They will still be able to call them MP3 once the patents expire, and I doubt anyone cares about the LOGO anyway, assuming the trademark is even renewed. However I expect most companies won't bother supporting MP3 recording as there are better formats now and storage costs have diminished substantially since MP3 was invented. I do expect (and sure hope) they continue to support MP3 playback for legacy files however. Since that is not difficult or expensive to do, I would expect most will. Companies like APPLE who like to NEVER do anything that is the norm, will probably ignore it I expect. No loss there. Trevor. |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On 5/13/2017 6:20 PM, gray_wolf wrote: https://www.engadget.com/2017/05/12/...long-live-aac/ Whot's dis aboot? Alternative facts. There's no reason why MP3 to be abandoned. In fact, now that it's license-free, there will probably be more software available to convert good recordings to high bit rate MP3 files. LAME has been around for a long time, and it's always worked for me. -- Les Cargill |
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On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 6:20:26 PM UTC-4, gray_wolf wrote:
https://www.engadget.com/2017/05/12/...long-live-aac/ Whot's dis aboot? David Lumb of the Dumb :-) Jack |
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On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 6:20:26 PM UTC-4, gray_wolf wrote:
https://www.engadget.com/2017/05/12/...long-live-aac/ Whot's dis aboot? Old news!.... "The death of the MP3 was announced in a conference room in Erlangen, Germany, in the spring of 1995." That engadget.com dipwad. Jack |
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