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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
Sony's having a sale on some of their software, including
Acid Pro. It looks like it's a DAW program. I'm thinking of getting it, so I down loaded a demo copy. I have a bunch of 6 track 24 bit wave files I'd like to mix down. I can't seem to get Acid to open them. Can anyone here tell me how to load them into Acid? If not, why not. Also, if not then what is Acid good for? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong software. == Later... Ron Capik -- |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
Ron Capik wrote:
Sony's having a sale on some of their software, including Acid Pro. It looks like it's a DAW program. I'm thinking of getting it, so I down loaded a demo copy. Acid is a looper. Dunno if you can make it DAW or not. I have a bunch of 6 track 24 bit wave files I'd like to mix down. I can't seem to get Acid to open them. A bunch of six files, or a bunch of one file, 6-tracks? I don't know of anything that reads those directly... There's always libsndfile. Can anyone here tell me how to load them into Acid? If not, why not. Also, if not then what is Acid good for? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong software. == Later... Ron Capik -- -- Les Cargill |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
On 3/28/2012 10:06 PM, Trevor wrote:
"Ron wrote in message ... Sony's having a sale on some of their software, including Acid Pro. It looks like it's a DAW program. I'm thinking of getting it, so I down loaded a demo copy. I have a bunch of 6 track 24 bit wave files I'd like to mix down. I can't seem to get Acid to open them. Can anyone here tell me how to load them into Acid? Split them into six wave files, Acid should open them then. If not, why not. Also, if not then what is Acid good for? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong software. You might find Vegas or Sound Forge more what you are after, (or not :-) Trevor. I've been using Sound Forge for a number of years. Main drawback is that it doesn't interface to a control surface. I always thought of Vegas as audio/video, and I'm not in to video at all. Splitting the file in to 6 mono files is a pain in the ass. The file(s) load in to Sound Forge just fine. If SF worked with a control surface it would be great. == Later... Ron Capik -- |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
On 3/28/2012 9:30 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
Ron Capik wrote: Sony's having a sale on some of their software, including Acid Pro. It looks like it's a DAW program. I'm thinking of getting it, so I down loaded a demo copy. Acid is a looper. Dunno if you can make it DAW or not. I have a bunch of 6 track 24 bit wave files I'd like to mix down. I can't seem to get Acid to open them. A bunch of six files, or a bunch of one file, 6-tracks? I don't know of anything that reads those directly... There's always libsndfile. Can anyone here tell me how to load them into Acid? If not, why not. Also, if not then what is Acid good for? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong software. == Later... Ron Capik -- -- Les Cargill Wave files can have [nearly] any number of tracks. I have a large number of live show multi-track dumps from an ADAT. Someday I'd like to mix them down. Sound Forge has no problem opening multi-track wave files, but has no control surface interface for mix down... Acid can do multi-tracks and control surfaces. Odd that it can't open these files. == Later... Ron Capik -- |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
"Ron Capik" wrote in message ... Sony's having a sale on some of their software, including Acid Pro. It looks like it's a DAW program. I'm thinking of getting it, so I down loaded a demo copy. I have a bunch of 6 track 24 bit wave files I'd like to mix down. I can't seem to get Acid to open them. Can anyone here tell me how to load them into Acid? Split them into six wave files, Acid should open them then. If not, why not. Also, if not then what is Acid good for? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong software. You might find Vegas or Sound Forge more what you are after, (or not :-) Trevor. |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
Ron Capik wrote:
On 3/28/2012 9:30 PM, Les Cargill wrote: Ron Capik wrote: Sony's having a sale on some of their software, including Acid Pro. It looks like it's a DAW program. I'm thinking of getting it, so I down loaded a demo copy. Acid is a looper. Dunno if you can make it DAW or not. I have a bunch of 6 track 24 bit wave files I'd like to mix down. I can't seem to get Acid to open them. A bunch of six files, or a bunch of one file, 6-tracks? I don't know of anything that reads those directly... There's always libsndfile. Can anyone here tell me how to load them into Acid? If not, why not. Also, if not then what is Acid good for? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong software. == Later... Ron Capik -- -- Les Cargill Wave files can have [nearly] any number of tracks. I know. Most software doesn't handle more than two tracks per file. I have a large number of live show multi-track dumps from an ADAT. Someday I'd like to mix them down. Sound Forge has no problem opening multi-track wave files, but has no control surface interface for mix down... Ach.... Acid can do multi-tracks and control surfaces. Odd that it can't open these files. == Later... Ron Capik -- -- Les Cargill |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
On 3/28/2012 11:47 PM, Trevor wrote:
"Ron wrote in message ...snip... Splitting the file in to 6 mono files is a pain in the ass. The file(s) load in to Sound Forge just fine. Automate it in Sound Forge then. Having them in seperate files lets you use them in *far* more software. Trevor. I'm confused. Automate what "it" to do what in Sound Forge, ...and how? [Are you talking about that cryptic scripting stuff?] Then too, I don't have (nor am currently aware of) any of the "*far* more software" that you speak of. == Later... Ron Capik -- |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
"Ron Capik" wrote in message ... I've been using Sound Forge for a number of years. Main drawback is that it doesn't interface to a control surface. I always thought of Vegas as audio/video, and I'm not in to video at all. Well it is a very good video with audio editor, but also a passable multitrack audio only editor, depending on your needs. Certainly NOT the best around, but it does work with control surfaces since that's what you want. Splitting the file in to 6 mono files is a pain in the ass. The file(s) load in to Sound Forge just fine. Automate it in Sound Forge then. Having them in seperate files lets you use them in *far* more software. Trevor. |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
Ron Capik wrote:
Sony's having a sale on some of their software, including Acid Pro. It looks like it's a DAW program. I'm thinking of getting it, so I down loaded a demo copy. I have a bunch of 6 track 24 bit wave files I'd like to mix down. I can't seem to get Acid to open them. Can anyone here tell me how to load them into Acid? If not, why not. Also, if not then what is Acid good for? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong software. Clearly explained in the manual and the apps Help. Yes, Acid, as well as looping etc, is a DAW. You can get the WAVs onto the timeline by many methods - simply drag onto the timeline with the internal (or external Win Explorer), or File|Open. But you are limited to mono or stereo WAV files for source media (mixes down fine to 5.1 though). If you have a multi-channel WAV file, you'll need to split it into separate files first. SF can edit multi-channel WAVs , but is not a DAW but an Audio Editor, and does not have mixdown functions. geoff |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
Trevor wrote:
"Ron Capik" wrote in message ... I've been using Sound Forge for a number of years. Main drawback is that it doesn't interface to a control surface. I always thought of Vegas as audio/video, and I'm not in to video at all. Well it is a very good video with audio editor, but also a passable multitrack audio only editor, depending on your needs. Certainly NOT the best around, but it does work with control surfaces since that's what you want. Vegas is my (audio) DAW app of choice. As intuitive and slick-to-use as you can get, and has done things for years that SlowTools still doesn't ! geoff |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
"Ron Capik" wrote in message ... Splitting the file in to 6 mono files is a pain in the ass. The file(s) load in to Sound Forge just fine. Automate it in Sound Forge then. Having them in seperate files lets you use them in *far* more software. I'm confused. Automate what "it" to do what in Sound Forge, ...and how? Open the multi-channel files and save them as mono wave files. [Are you talking about that cryptic scripting stuff?] Yes. Then too, I don't have (nor am currently aware of) any of the "*far* more software" that you speak of. It's your choice to decide what you want to do, or need obviously. Trevor. |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
"geoff" wrote in message ... Well it is a very good video with audio editor, but also a passable multitrack audio only editor, depending on your needs. Certainly NOT the best around, but it does work with control surfaces since that's what you want. Vegas is my (audio) DAW app of choice. As intuitive and slick-to-use as you can get, and has done things for years that SlowTools still doesn't ! Yep very good at what it does, especially video with multi-track audio. And the click to open a file from the timeline in Soundforge really helps, but that means rendering those changes though. Trevor. |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
Trevor wrote:
"geoff" wrote in message ... Well it is a very good video with audio editor, but also a passable multitrack audio only editor, depending on your needs. Certainly NOT the best around, but it does work with control surfaces since that's what you want. Vegas is my (audio) DAW app of choice. As intuitive and slick-to-use as you can get, and has done things for years that SlowTools still doesn't ! Yep very good at what it does, especially video with multi-track audio. And just as good with just multi-track audio. You can switch off all the video-related windows. And the click to open a file from the timeline in Soundforge really helps, but that means rendering those changes though. No - use "Open....' rather than 'Open Copy.... ' - then you simply 'Save' the file from SF (or your editor of choice), and the changes appear directly in the Vegas event. . geoff |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
"geoff" wrote in message ... Yep very good at what it does, especially video with multi-track audio. And just as good with just multi-track audio. You can switch off all the video-related windows. Sure, but it's still fairly clunky for audio editing compared to some. And the click to open a file from the timeline in Soundforge really helps, but that means rendering those changes though. No - use "Open....' rather than 'Open Copy.... ' - then you simply 'Save' the file from SF (or your editor of choice), and the changes appear directly in the Vegas event. . That *IS* re-rendering the file when saved, not simply an EDL edit. Trevor. |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
On 3/28/2012 8:14 PM, Ron Capik wrote:
Sony's having a sale on some of their software, including Acid Pro. It looks like it's a DAW program. I went to a private press briefing (they even bought lunch) of ACID in its more or less most current version (this was at a San Francisco AES maybe 4 years ago) when they were pushing it as being a friendly and full fledged DAW program. I was impressed with the layout of its mixer view and that seemed like it would be a comfortable way for me, a DAW protester, to learn how to use it. I was going to review it for Pro Audio Review. I failed miserably, and eventually gave up. I suppose I just wasn't willing to put hours and hours into learning its vocabulary - it wasn't intuitive enough to get my interest quickly. Further, I never got accustomed to how many mouse clicks it took to find the mixer controls I was looking for. But then I have this same problem with every DAW that I've ever tried. Monitors just aren't big enough to display a full set of channel strips, and that's what I want. Your mileage, and patience, may differ. I have a bunch of 6 track 24 bit wave files I'd like to mix down. I can't seem to get Acid to open them. Can anyone here tell me how to load them into Acid? If not, why not. Also, if not then what is Acid good for? You mean 6-channel WAV files? Or 6 WAV files that make up a 6-track recording? Individual WAV files (mono or stereo) imported easily, but that's part of what I meant about learning the vocabulary. It's been at least two years since I set ACID aside so I can't do it, but that was one of the things that was fairly intuitive. I recall that it was able to import mutlti-channel WAV files, but I never tried it because I didn't have any to work with. The documentation wasn't very good which is one of the reasons why I gave up. They kept pointing me toward videos but I don't have the patience for learning that way ACID has its plalce, doing what ACID does best, which is manipulating fragments of audio and making something resembling music from them. Using it as a DAW for recording and mixing is probably a poor use for it. I now use Reaper and it makes a lot more sense to me. But I still prefer working with a real mixing console and don't need all the features of a DAW in my work. Computers are good recorders and good editors. They can be good signal processors. But I have yet to find the user interface that integrates them all in a way that's easy for me to use as separate tools. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
"geoff"
said...news:u5CdnSkovceCcO7SnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@gigan ews.com: Ron Capik wrote: Sony's having a sale on some of their software, including Acid Pro. It looks like it's a DAW program. I'm thinking of getting it, so I down loaded a demo copy. I have a bunch of 6 track 24 bit wave files I'd like to mix down. I can't seem to get Acid to open them. Can anyone here tell me how to load them into Acid? If not, why not. Also, if not then what is Acid good for? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong software. Clearly explained in the manual and the apps Help. Yes, Acid, as well as looping etc, is a DAW. You can get the WAVs onto the timeline by many methods - simply drag onto the timeline with the internal (or external Win Explorer), or File|Open. But you are limited to mono or stereo WAV files for source media (mixes down fine to 5.1 though). If you have a multi-channel WAV file, you'll need to split it into separate files first. SF can edit multi-channel WAVs , but is not a DAW but an Audio Editor, and does not have mixdown functions. geoff Vegas was originally sold as separate audio and video applications. IIRC, Acid is what became of 'Vegas Audio.' david |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
Trevor wrote:
"geoff" wrote in message ... Yep very good at what it does, especially video with multi-track audio. And just as good with just multi-track audio. You can switch off all the video-related windows. Sure, but it's still fairly clunky for audio editing compared to some. Al contraire in my experience. I'd call it slicker than most. And the click to open a file from the timeline in Soundforge really helps, but that means rendering those changes though. No - use "Open....' rather than 'Open Copy.... ' - then you simply 'Save' the file from SF (or your editor of choice), and the changes appear directly in the Vegas event. . That *IS* re-rendering the file when saved, not simply an EDL edit. I took you to mean an explicit render within Vegas. geoff |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
Mike Rivers wrote:
On 3/28/2012 8:14 PM, Ron Capik wrote: Sony's having a sale on some of their software, including Acid Pro. It looks like it's a DAW program. I went to a private press briefing (they even bought lunch) of ACID in its more or less most current version (this was at a San Francisco AES maybe 4 years ago) when they were pushing it as being a friendly and full fledged DAW program. I was impressed with the layout of its mixer view and that seemed like it would be a comfortable way for me, a DAW protester, to learn how to use it. Yeah, Acid is clunkier than Vegas, because of it's added functionality wrt to beat-mapping, looping, blaa, blaa , blaa. Actually the mixer view is a paradigm I actively avoid, as is unnecessary in these apps. Multiple montiors is just about essential in any DAW ( with undockable windows). geoff |
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On 3/29/2012 3:40 PM, geoff wrote:
Actually the mixer view is a paradigm I actively avoid, as is unnecessary in these apps. I'm afraid that I don't have the imagination or discipline to mix without something that looks like a mixing console. But then I only work with actual played-and-recorded music which is less than perfect, and I want the mix to end up that way (less than perfect). Multiple montiors is just about essential in any DAW ( with undockable windows). It sure seems like it's getting that way. On one hand you are able to preserve the views you're accustomed to working with and have enough space to actually work within them. On the other hand, it blows away the concept of a portable workstation, which, otherwise, is completely feasible with a modern laptop computer. Sure, you can capture tracks easily enough with a single monitor, unless of course you also want to have the interface's application open for low latency monitoring and metering, for example, but editing and mixing becomes a separate operation. You can't really work with both functions at once very conveniently, with most DAW programs, on a single screen. Your arguments are as valid as mine so it's not necessarily to name your own personal DAW and say that's not true. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On 3/29/2012 3:40 PM, geoff wrote: Actually the mixer view is a paradigm I actively avoid, as is unnecessary in these apps. I'm afraid that I don't have the imagination or discipline to mix without something that looks like a mixing console. But then I only work with actual played-and-recorded music which is less than perfect, and I want the mix to end up that way (less than perfect). No problem! ;-D Multiple montiors is just about essential in any DAW ( with undockable windows). (...) Sure, you can capture tracks easily enough with a single monitor, unless of course you also want to have the interface's application open for low latency monitoring and metering, for example, but editing and mixing becomes a separate operation. You can't really work with both functions at once very conveniently, with most DAW programs, on a single screen. A couple of decades ago, when I was doing a lot of pro video work I used mulitple monitors because the computer monitor was low-res and less than full color, so the video was handled by a separate card running its own NTSC/PAL calibrated video monitor. Not much choice there. But, for an audio DAW, it's entirely feasible to edit and mix simultaneously on a single monitor so long as one isn't stuck working with a pseudo-hardware UI, and AFAIK, most DAW programs don't force you to use a pseudo-hardware UI. -- best regards, Neil |
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Is Sony Acid Pro a DAW program?
Neil Gould wrote:
But, for an audio DAW, it's entirely feasible to edit and mix simultaneously on a single monitor so long as one isn't stuck working with a pseudo-hardware UI, and AFAIK, most DAW programs don't force you to use a pseudo-hardware UI. Yeah, feasible, but more fiddly than if you plug a seconfd monitor into your desktop of laptop DAW. Most take one natively these days. I prefer my track view 'timeline', including busses, to take one whole display, with the other necessary windows arranged on the other. This seldom includes a 'mixer view'. geoff |
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geoff wrote:
Neil Gould wrote: But, for an audio DAW, it's entirely feasible to edit and mix simultaneously on a single monitor so long as one isn't stuck working with a pseudo-hardware UI, and AFAIK, most DAW programs don't force you to use a pseudo-hardware UI. Yeah, feasible, but more fiddly than if you plug a seconfd monitor into your desktop of laptop DAW. Most take one natively these days. I prefer my track view 'timeline', including busses, to take one whole display, with the other necessary windows arranged on the other. This seldom includes a 'mixer view'. geoff I have no issue with preferences, geoff. I prefer a single monitor, and don't find working with it any more "fiddly", i.e. requiring more mouse clicks, taking more time, etc., than multiple monitors. As I said in my first comment, BTDT, don't care for it. -- best regards, Neil |
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