[Bret L]

Anger in White America — Again

Kevin MacDonald

August 24, 2009

"The health care debate continues to rivet the country. By most accounts, the sheer emotional intensity of the protests has forced Democrats to scale back their plans for nationalized health care. And who are these angry protesters? The vast majority of these angry citizens are White people — a topic I wrote about recently, but before the health care debate assumed center stage.

The health care debate seems to have ratcheted things up a notch. As
an NPR commentary of August 13 noted,

If you've been anywhere near a TV in the past week, you have seen
images of irate voters berating their elected representatives. And if
so, you cannot have missed the strong representation of vociferous
Caucasian males of a certain age. Theirs are not the only voices
raised, but they are surely the loudest and most numerous.

A Democrat strategist commented,

the vocally disaffected represent a very real phenomenon that has been
rising around the country since before Obama's election. It is growing
in the face of a damaged economy, a series of bank and Wall Street
bailouts, and big-dollar government programs to stimulate jobs and
stave off foreclosures.

I've never seen as angry an electorate as this one. …. They're as
scared as I've ever seen them, and that manifests into anger.

There is a general fear that the American dream is not going to be
there for them or their children. … There is concern about trust
broken between government and the people.

Angry White people. And we are not talking about elite Whites who
wouldn’t have to worry about health care no matter what the government
does. This is racially-based populism: The protest is coming from
middle- and lower-middle-class Whites, not Blacks and Latinos in the
same social classes.

And it’s about more than health care. A month ago it was the angry
White people who support Sarah Palin. And before that, it was angry
Whites participating in "tea parties" protesting the stimulus bill.

It's not any specific issue, but a generalized fear that the country
is slipping away from them — that the Obama presidency is moving
America very rapidly into a country that they would not recognize and
where they do not have political power. Our friend, Mark Potok, of the
$PLC, comments, "Clearly, this president has set off a real rage. ...
Certain people look around and see this is not the country their white
Christian forefathers built, and they are angry."

Not that there's anything wrong with that. These angry White people
are quite right to fear such a transformation. The anti-White
revolution is working beautifully. Legal and illegal immigration is
gradually but noticeably transforming the country so that the White
populist base will have decreasing political power. By my calculation,
by 2012, the Republicans would have to attract around 63% of Whites to
get a majority (assuming Whites continue to represent 90% of the
Republican vote). In the ideal world of the left, however, this
transformation would be carried out without anger and mass protest,
apart from the occasional skinhead, swastika-painting fringe that
replenish the coffers of organizations like the $PLC and the ADL.
White people would sink peacefully into the sunset of American
politics, happily joining multicultural coalitions in both parties.

The problem for the left is the anger. With huge majorities in both
Houses of Congress and an Obama presidency that seemed committed to
nationalized health care, the “progressives” are saying the Democrats
should just push through a plan. Elections matter. We’ve got the
power, so let’s do it.

But trampling on the sensibilities of what remains a large
constituency is very risky. These voters are energized in a way they
were not during the 2008 election where the media’s slobbering love
affair with Obama (including Chris Matthews’ “thrill going up my leg”
when Obama speaks), the failed Bush presidency, the horrible economy,
and John McCain (need I say more) kept populist passions low.

The White House seems to realize that simply having a large majority
in Congress isn’t enough if a large angry minority is so enraged that
they start storming the barricades with torches and pitchforks.
Imagine the commentariat trying to explain away a 65–70% White vote
for the Republicans in 2010 or 2012. The stark racial abyss of
American politics would be staring everyone in the face. Best not to
wake the sleeping giant until it’s really too powerless to matter much
at all.

There are doubtless a great many anxieties behind this anger.
Certainly many lower-and middle-class Whites have been devastated by
the changes in the labor market brought about by massive immigration
(including the H1-B program that imports skilled workers), and many
companies cutting health benefits because of the need to compete in a
globalized economy in which American elites feel no obligation to
protect American workers. And as immigration begins to transform
cities in the heartland of America, more and more Americans are coming
face to face with the future. Indeed, I suspect the next major
outbreak of White anger will be any attempt by the Obama
administration to legalize the millions of illegals. Already, the
administration seems to be scaling back its ambitions on the
immigration front.

But I suspect that a large part of the fear is about what health care
would be like if the progressive wing of the Democratic Party got its
way. These middle class Whites envision themselves standing in line
with Blacks, Latinos, legal and illegal immigrants, and everyone else.
And they realize that in general the taxes of people like themselves
are being used to support services for people quite a bit unlike
themselves — people who pay proportionately far less of the tax burden
and are part of the coalition of minorities that is the backbone of
the Democratic Party, while 90% of the Republican vote comes from
Whites.

From an evolutionary perspective, this is a classic case of a public
goods issue in a multicultural society. As noted by Frank Salter
http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=vdare&l=ur2&o=1, because of closer
ties of kinship and culture, ethnically homogeneous societies are more
likely to be open to redistributive policies such as social welfare
and nationalized health care. European nationalized health care
systems were initiated decades ago when those countries were
ethnically homogeneous. In the US, the Medicare system was enacted in
1965 — well before the multicultural onslaught.

Some enraged Whites may also have read about the aspects of the bill
that make it “affirmative action on steroids,” including what amounts
to a quota system for "underrepresented minorities" in medical
schools. It's one thing to have affirmative action professors teaching
obscure subjects to college students. But do people really want
affirmative action doctors performing heart surgery?

The problem for advocates of universal health care in the US is that
this round of reform is being proposed at the precise point when
general anxieties about America's multicultural future are on the
minds of a whole lot of White people. It's not at all unreasonable for
them to believe that universal health care will indeed be the
embodiment of the multicultural nightmare of the future. And it's not
at all unreasonable for them to be very angry about that.

Finally, in my recent fundraising appeal letter, I suggested that the
next revolution — like the one that resulted in our current
multicultural nightmare — will be a top-down revolution that begins by
converting the elite opinion makers. This anger among non-elite
Whites suggests there is a possibility of a successful movement
energized by non-elite Whites. In the health care debate, there
certainly seems to be a prominent role of elite conservative media
figures, such as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, in mobilizing
hostility toward the Obama plan and validating the energy of the
protests. The question remains: Will these elite conservative voices
openly advocate what needs to be done for their constituency to really
take back the country?"


http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...ald-Anger.html

[Bob Eld]

"Bret L" wrote in message
...
Anger in White America — Again

Kevin MacDonald

August 24, 2009

"The health care debate continues to rivet the country. By most accounts,
the sheer emotional intensity of the protests has forced Democrats to scale
back their plans for nationalized health care. And who are these angry
protesters? The vast majority of these angry citizens are White people — a
topic I wrote about recently, but before the health care debate assumed
center stage.

The health care debate seems to have ratcheted things up a notch. As
an NPR commentary of August 13 noted,

If you've been anywhere near a TV in the past week, you have seen
images of irate voters berating their elected representatives. And if
so, you cannot have missed the strong representation of vociferous
Caucasian males of a certain age. Theirs are not the only voices
raised, but they are surely the loudest and most numerous.

A Democrat strategist commented,

the vocally disaffected represent a very real phenomenon that has been
rising around the country since before Obama's election. It is growing
in the face of a damaged economy, a series of bank and Wall Street
bailouts, and big-dollar government programs to stimulate jobs and
stave off foreclosures.

I've never seen as angry an electorate as this one. …. They're as
scared as I've ever seen them, and that manifests into anger.

There is a general fear that the American dream is not going to be
there for them or their children. … There is concern about trust
broken between government and the people.

Angry White people. And we are not talking about elite Whites who
wouldn’t have to worry about health care no matter what the government
does. This is racially-based populism: The protest is coming from
middle- and lower-middle-class Whites, not Blacks and Latinos in the
same social classes.

And it’s about more than health care. A month ago it was the angry
White people who support Sarah Palin. And before that, it was angry
Whites participating in "tea parties" protesting the stimulus bill.

It's not any specific issue, but a generalized fear that the country
is slipping away from them — that the Obama presidency is moving
America very rapidly into a country that they would not recognize and
where they do not have political power. Our friend, Mark Potok, of the
$PLC, comments, "Clearly, this president has set off a real rage. ...
Certain people look around and see this is not the country their white
Christian forefathers built, and they are angry."
Snip....

They're angry because they are losing political power but don't want to
participate in things that are in their own best interest like universal
health care. It very strange, they don't want to lose Medicare, the single
payer socialized government run system that everyone seems to like. They
don't want to lose Social Security another big government program created by
Liberals. Basically these people are brain washed by the republican echo
chamber that has convinced them that such programs are bad, are socialism
and so on even though most benefit from them. Of course, it has its recent
roots in race which bothers these bottom feeders that a black guy is
president. That catalyzes the level of hatred that allows them to protest
every thing else. They lament the loss of their America. Yet, I don't hear
any of these white people asking any Indians about the loss of "their
America." The times they are a changing. Smart people are hitching their
wagon to it and will benefit greatly. Stupid people are fighting it but will
lose in the end, the demographics guarantee it.

[Bob Eld]

"Norman Schwartz" wrote in message
...

"Bob Eld" wrote in message
...

They're angry because they are losing political power but don't want to
participate in things that are in their own best interest like universal
health care. It very strange, they don't want to lose Medicare, the
single
payer socialized government run system that everyone seems to like. They
don't want to lose Social Security another big government program
created
by
Liberals.

They are angry because their life long paid FICA taxes may not deliver
that
which they promised.

Basically these people are brain washed by the republican echo
chamber that has convinced them that such programs are bad, are
socialism
and so on even though most benefit from them. Of course, it has its
recent
roots in race which bothers these bottom feeders that a black guy is
president. That catalyzes the level of hatred that allows them to
protest
every thing else. They lament the loss of their America.

Nonsense, they lament the loss of what they paid for.

Yet, I don't hear
any of these white people asking any Indians about the loss of "their
America." The times they are a changing. Smart people are hitching their
wagon to it and will benefit greatly. Stupid people are fighting it but
will
lose in the end, the demographics guarantee it.

More nonsense.

Think it's nonsense? Your not paying attention. Didn't you ever notice that
most of the lily white protestors are old farts with a few uneducated Joe
the plumbers thrown in. The coming generations do not subscribe to
republican bull ****, like it or not. The era greed and intolerance is
coming to an end.

[Norman Schwartz]

"Bob Eld" wrote in message
...

They're angry because they are losing political power but don't want to
participate in things that are in their own best interest like universal
health care. It very strange, they don't want to lose Medicare, the single
payer socialized government run system that everyone seems to like. They
don't want to lose Social Security another big government program created
by
Liberals.

They are angry because their life long paid FICA taxes may not deliver that
which they promised.

Basically these people are brain washed by the republican echo
chamber that has convinced them that such programs are bad, are socialism
and so on even though most benefit from them. Of course, it has its recent
roots in race which bothers these bottom feeders that a black guy is
president. That catalyzes the level of hatred that allows them to protest
every thing else. They lament the loss of their America.

Nonsense, they lament the loss of what they paid for.

Yet, I don't hear
any of these white people asking any Indians about the loss of "their
America." The times they are a changing. Smart people are hitching their
wagon to it and will benefit greatly. Stupid people are fighting it but
will
lose in the end, the demographics guarantee it.

More nonsense.

[Bret L]

They're angry because they are losing political power but don't want to
participate in things that are in their own best interest like universal
health care. It very strange, they don't want to lose Medicare, the single
payer socialized government run system that everyone seems to like. They
don't want to lose Social Security another big government program created by
Liberals. Basically these people are brain washed by the republican echo
chamber that has convinced them that such programs are bad, are socialism
and so on even though most benefit from them. Of course, it has its recent
roots in race which bothers these bottom feeders that a black guy is
president. That catalyzes the level of hatred that allows them to protest
every thing else. They lament the loss of their America. Yet, I don't hear
any of these white people asking any Indians about the loss of *"their
America." The times they are a changing. Smart people are hitching their
wagon to it and will benefit greatly. Stupid people are fighting it but will
lose in the end, the demographics guarantee it.

Nationalized health care is NOT in the best interest of working
white people. They will get the fuzzy end of the lollipop and they
know it, plus, it is morally wrong in that it involves stealing from
some to benefit others, and they know that too. It's a way to make the
government's penis bigger and harder.

It's been a disaster in the UK, in Canada, in France, and everywhere
else pretty much.

The Indians got the fuzzy end of the lollipop because of biological
reality-the white man was more capable of utilizing the land,
occupying it, controlling it, making it work for him than the Indians.
There were at most a couple million people in North America before the
white man came, or more precisely, came back. The Indians took it from
someone else too, ad infinitum.

In fact, saying "the Indians" is a misnomer. The question should be,
WHICH Indians since one tribe was always killing another one. They
were as different from each other as whites were to any of them. Most
every tribe hated all the others.

Right now the white man is in heap big trouble because he has lost
his racial consciousness. He may or may not survive. But if he
doesn't, there will be a mass starve-off across the planet as
population levels go back to what they were without white technology
and discipline, and it will be thousands or tens of thousands of years
before anyone from this planet goes back into space.

Personally I'm glad a black man is President and not that piece of
**** McCain. If he was still listening to militant blacks like Rev.
Wright instead of Rahm Emmanuel and David Axelrod I'd be a lot
happier. But hey, this way, White voters just might finally learn a
lesson.

[Bob Eld]

"Bret L" wrote in message
...


They're angry because they are losing political power but don't want to
participate in things that are in their own best interest like universal
health care. It very strange, they don't want to lose Medicare, the single
payer socialized government run system that everyone seems to like. They
don't want to lose Social Security another big government program created
by
Liberals. Basically these people are brain washed by the republican echo
chamber that has convinced them that such programs are bad, are socialism
and so on even though most benefit from them. Of course, it has its recent
roots in race which bothers these bottom feeders that a black guy is
president. That catalyzes the level of hatred that allows them to protest
every thing else. They lament the loss of their America. Yet, I don't hear
any of these white people asking any Indians about the loss of "their
America." The times they are a changing. Smart people are hitching their
wagon to it and will benefit greatly. Stupid people are fighting it but
will
lose in the end, the demographics guarantee it.

Nationalized health care is NOT in the best interest of working
white people. They will get the fuzzy end of the lollipop and they
know it, plus, it is morally wrong in that it involves stealing from
some to benefit others, and they know that too. It's a way to make the
government's penis bigger and harder.

It's been a disaster in the UK, in Canada, in France, and everywhere
else pretty much.
snip....

Funny how the only people in the world who think the UK, Canadian or French
system are disasters are American republicans and shills for the American
Insurance companies. Most people under those systems don't think they are
disasters. Are there occasional horror stories in those countries, yes and
that's gets focused on but there are far more horror stories in the American
system. Open your eyes.

Why will white people get the "fuzzy end of the lolly pop?" Do they get the
fuzzy end of the lolly pop with Medicare? Most people like it.

Why is it we can spend trillions of dollars waging wars in **** holes like
Iraq and Afghanistan but don't want to spend on the American people? That's
Socialism! It'll cost too much to take care of those poor people I don't
want my taxes to go for those *******s. **** 'em. Republican mantra. Just
like with the fire departments, roads and other accouterments, its the price
of civilization.

[Norman Schwartz]

"Bob Eld" wrote in message
...

"Norman Schwartz" wrote in message
...

"Bob Eld" wrote in message
...

They're angry because they are losing political power but don't want to
participate in things that are in their own best interest like
universal
health care. It very strange, they don't want to lose Medicare, the
single
payer socialized government run system that everyone seems to like.
They
don't want to lose Social Security another big government program
created
by
Liberals.

They are angry because their life long paid FICA taxes may not deliver
that
which they promised.

Basically these people are brain washed by the republican echo
chamber that has convinced them that such programs are bad, are
socialism
and so on even though most benefit from them. Of course, it has its
recent
roots in race which bothers these bottom feeders that a black guy is
president. That catalyzes the level of hatred that allows them to
protest
every thing else. They lament the loss of their America.

Nonsense, they lament the loss of what they paid for.

Yet, I don't hear
any of these white people asking any Indians about the loss of "their
America." The times they are a changing. Smart people are hitching
their
wagon to it and will benefit greatly. Stupid people are fighting it but
will
lose in the end, the demographics guarantee it.

More nonsense.

Think it's nonsense? Your not paying attention. Didn't you ever notice
that
most of the lily white protestors are old farts with a few uneducated Joe
the plumbers thrown in. The coming generations do not subscribe to
republican bull ****, like it or not. The era greed and intolerance is
coming to an end.

Greed? I don't see or understand anything related to greed in getting all
the benefits one paid for in their FICA taxes. Additionally the folks that
earn the most are subject to the greatest FICA taxation. Greedy people want
to take away their benefits for themselves. With a bit of luck, and by
playing your cards right, you too will have the opportunity of becoming an
'old fart'. If town meetings were held in certain different neighborhoods,
old fart people of color would have been visible and getting their say, and
that's the 'American Way'. If all this nation's wealth was distributed
equally amongst the entire population, sooner rather than later it would
again end up in the wallets of the few.

[Bret L]

Funny how the only people in the world who think the UK, Canadian or French
system are disasters are American republicans and shills for the American
Insurance companies. Most people under those systems don't think they are
disasters. Are there occasional horror stories in those countries, yes and
that's gets focused on but there are far more horror stories in the American
system. Open your eyes.

Why will white people get the "fuzzy end of the lolly pop?" Do they get the
fuzzy end of the lolly pop with Medicare? Most people like it.

Why is it we can spend trillions of dollars waging wars in **** holes like
Iraq and Afghanistan but don't want to spend on the American people? That's
Socialism! It'll cost too much to take care of those poor people I don't
want my taxes to go for those *******s. **** 'em. Republican mantra. Just
like with the fire departments, roads and other accouterments, its the price
of civilization.

I have a female friend who in the 70s came heref rom the UK to live
with my grandparents because she had a partially prolapsed uterus.
She had to go around with a pessary-that is, a big hard rubber plug
that looked like a chess pawn, sort of-up her vagina, for an extended
period (no pun intended, though it did cause bleeding) because it was
considered elective surgery. She waited a considerable time and then
decided to get it done here and simply pay for it out of her funds,
which, as she was a student, were not considerable. (Back then the US
was not so expensive as today for surgical costs and today one would
be advised to go elsewhere in the First World.) She arrived here on a
Friday, and they had her in Monday morning and she was able to leave
the hospital the next Thursday or thereabouts IIRC.

About the only good thing about this was that she was able to, with
the help of NHS physicians, impose on British Airways and get a ticket
for the London-NYC segment on Concorde at the regular rate. The trip
back however, was on a regular 747, and more problematic.

Hospitals and clinics in snowbird states are always filled with
Canadians, as well, another indicator of the success of Canada's
program.

It has to be said that statistically, a tiny number pf people
actually die directly because of rationing and other limits to health
care in Canada. If you have a life threatening condition you get
immediate, and good, treatment. The difference is there-and in the UK-
you may have a painful and anxious wait for elective procedures, such
as gallbladder operations, bone and joint surgery, and the like.

The difference between here and there is that here if you have
halfway decent insurance, you never wait very long and you get the
full armamentarium unless it's something considered experimental. If
you don't, you still get lifesaving emergency treatment, but it might
bankrupt you. There everyone gets the same treatment, but everyone may
have to wait and the technology is behind the times. My best guess is
that WHEN Quebec says au revoir, or gets the boot from the ROC which
has mostly had it with the Frenchies, Canada will revert to a much
more US style system.

[Bret L]

Why is it we can spend trillions of dollars waging wars in **** holes like
Iraq and Afghanistan but don't want to spend on the American people?

I never said we should do that. I'm a white nationalist. "We" went
into those countries because (primarily) politically powerful New York
Jews and their "premillennial dispensationalist" pegboy Jeboo lover
bitches decided it was good for Israel, as determined by Likudniks. We
ousted Saddam Hussein, who was turning the country into a nation, did
away with him with a kangaroo court, and caused a hell of a mess.

I think we should either get the hell OUT of the Middle East and pay
market price for oil (which would make coal-derived fuels and nuclear
very attractive) or take over both Saudi Arabia AND Israel and run
them Genghis Khan style. No in between measures will work.

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
ScottW2 wrote:

On Aug 25, 4:33*pm, "Bob Eld" wrote:
"Bret L" wrote in message

...









They're angry because they are losing political power but don't want to
participate in things that are in their own best interest like universal
health care. It very strange, they don't want to lose Medicare, the
single
payer socialized government run system that everyone seems to like. They
don't want to lose Social Security another big government program created
by
Liberals. Basically these people are brain washed by the republican echo
chamber that has convinced them that such programs are bad, are socialism
and so on even though most benefit from them. Of course, it has its
recent
roots in race which bothers these bottom feeders that a black guy is
president. That catalyzes the level of hatred that allows them to protest
every thing else. They lament the loss of their America. Yet, I don't
hear
any of these white people asking any Indians about the loss of "their
America." The times they are a changing. Smart people are hitching their
wagon to it and will benefit greatly. Stupid people are fighting it but
will
lose in the end, the demographics guarantee it.

* Nationalized health care is NOT in the best interest of working

white people. They will get the fuzzy end of the lollipop and they
know it, plus, it is morally wrong in that it involves stealing from
some to benefit others, and they know that too. It's a way to make the
government's penis bigger and harder.

*It's been a disaster in the UK, in Canada, in France, and everywhereelse
pretty much.

snip....

Funny how the only people in the world who think the UK, Canadian or French
system are disasters are American republicans and shills for the American
Insurance companies.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...zPEY0Y3bvRD335
rGu_Z3KXoQw

The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this
country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a
plan to cure it.

Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she
adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in
Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes
must be made.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things
are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an
interview with The Canadian Press.

"We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat
out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day
demands."

Proposals include electronic records, a role for private insurance and
"activity-based funding."

You left out this part:

"Doig, who has had a full-time family practice in Saskatoon for 30
years, acknowledges that when physicians have talked about changing the
health-care system in the past, they've been accused of wanting an
American-style structure. She insists that's not the case."

Stephen

[Bret L]

Never call anything you want "US style" in Canada. instead, say, "It
will be the best in North America".

They are funny that way.