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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
I've never used a VST plug-in before (at least not to my knowledge) but
I thought I'd try playinng around with Roger Nichols' Inspector. I figured that Audacity was the most simple-minded program I use that I could try it with. Audacity has a "VST Enabler" dll which I downloaded and installed per the instructions. But the fine print from the Audacity web page says: "Because of licensing issues, VST support must be kept separate from Audacity. This "VST Enabler" is mostly open-source, but the source code to Steinberg's VST SDK is required, and this must be downloaded from Steinberg separately." Duh??? OK, I understand the words, but I don't understand what to download from Steinberg and what to do with it when I download it. There's no evidence that Audacity knows anything about a VST plug-in at this point, so I guess I really need the Steinberg code. Can someone tell me what to do next? |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
Mike Rivers wrote:
I've never used a VST plug-in before (at least not to my knowledge) but I thought I'd try playinng around with Roger Nichols' Inspector. I figured that Audacity was the most simple-minded program I use that I could try it with. Audacity has a "VST Enabler" dll which I downloaded and installed per the instructions. But the fine print from the Audacity web page says: "Because of licensing issues, VST support must be kept separate from Audacity. This "VST Enabler" is mostly open-source, but the source code to Steinberg's VST SDK is required, and this must be downloaded from Steinberg separately." Duh??? OK, I understand the words, but I don't understand what to download from Steinberg and what to do with it when I download it. There's no evidence that Audacity knows anything about a VST plug-in at this point, so I guess I really need the Steinberg code. Can someone tell me what to do next? Mike, Tracktion is a VST host that is pretty straight forward, works well and doesn't require any funny business. Another way is to put a directx wrapper around VST dlls. Not all VST hosts are created equal. Expect fooling around with some hosts to get VST running and still some features may remain disabled or crash the system when used. bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaos http://www.bsstudios.com |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
Mike, dump Audacity and download Reaper, which is free and offers VST
support without the end user having to jump through hoops. Reaper also has a more intuitive interface, in my opinion: http://www.cockos.com/reaper/ "Mike Rivers" wrote in message ups.com... I've never used a VST plug-in before (at least not to my knowledge) but I thought I'd try playinng around with Roger Nichols' Inspector. I figured that Audacity was the most simple-minded program I use that I could try it with. Audacity has a "VST Enabler" dll which I downloaded and installed per the instructions. But the fine print from the Audacity web page says: "Because of licensing issues, VST support must be kept separate from Audacity. This "VST Enabler" is mostly open-source, but the source code to Steinberg's VST SDK is required, and this must be downloaded from Steinberg separately." Duh??? OK, I understand the words, but I don't understand what to download from Steinberg and what to do with it when I download it. There's no evidence that Audacity knows anything about a VST plug-in at this point, so I guess I really need the Steinberg code. Can someone tell me what to do next? |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
I agree Reaper is updating on a daily basis and does a large amount for
free. Arthur James Scott wrote: Mike, dump Audacity and download Reaper, which is free and offers VST support without the end user having to jump through hoops. Reaper also has a more intuitive interface, in my opinion: http://www.cockos.com/reaper/ "Mike Rivers" wrote in message ups.com... I've never used a VST plug-in before (at least not to my knowledge) but I thought I'd try playinng around with Roger Nichols' Inspector. I figured that Audacity was the most simple-minded program I use that I could try it with. Audacity has a "VST Enabler" dll which I downloaded and installed per the instructions. But the fine print from the Audacity web page says: "Because of licensing issues, VST support must be kept separate from Audacity. This "VST Enabler" is mostly open-source, but the source code to Steinberg's VST SDK is required, and this must be downloaded from Steinberg separately." Duh??? OK, I understand the words, but I don't understand what to download from Steinberg and what to do with it when I download it. There's no evidence that Audacity knows anything about a VST plug-in at this point, so I guess I really need the Steinberg code. Can someone tell me what to do next? |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
More importantly, I forgot to add that Inspector runs fine under Reaper.
"James Scott" wrote in message ... Mike, dump Audacity and download Reaper, which is free and offers VST support without the end user having to jump through hoops. Reaper also has a more intuitive interface, in my opinion: http://www.cockos.com/reaper/ "Mike Rivers" wrote in message ups.com... I've never used a VST plug-in before (at least not to my knowledge) but I thought I'd try playinng around with Roger Nichols' Inspector. I figured that Audacity was the most simple-minded program I use that I could try it with. Audacity has a "VST Enabler" dll which I downloaded and installed per the instructions. But the fine print from the Audacity web page says: "Because of licensing issues, VST support must be kept separate from Audacity. This "VST Enabler" is mostly open-source, but the source code to Steinberg's VST SDK is required, and this must be downloaded from Steinberg separately." Duh??? OK, I understand the words, but I don't understand what to download from Steinberg and what to do with it when I download it. There's no evidence that Audacity knows anything about a VST plug-in at this point, so I guess I really need the Steinberg code. Can someone tell me what to do next? |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
Mike,
I'm not an Audacity user, but my impression is that the wording you've seen is targeted at software developers rather than users - there's no reason to download the source for anything unless you're intending to compile it yourself. This thread on the audacity users mailing list appears to confirm this: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.a...024/focus=3027 HTH, Nick Mike Rivers wrote: I've never used a VST plug-in before (at least not to my knowledge) but I thought I'd try playinng around with Roger Nichols' Inspector. I figured that Audacity was the most simple-minded program I use that I could try it with. Audacity has a "VST Enabler" dll which I downloaded and installed per the instructions. But the fine print from the Audacity web page says: "Because of licensing issues, VST support must be kept separate from Audacity. This "VST Enabler" is mostly open-source, but the source code to Steinberg's VST SDK is required, and this must be downloaded from Steinberg separately." Duh??? OK, I understand the words, but I don't understand what to download from Steinberg and what to do with it when I download it. There's no evidence that Audacity knows anything about a VST plug-in at this point, so I guess I really need the Steinberg code. Can someone tell me what to do next? |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
James Scott wrote: Mike, dump Audacity and download Reaper, which is free and offers VST support without the end user having to jump through hoops. Reaper also has a more intuitive interface, in my opinion: Too bad it crashes like a mofo whenever I try something more elaborate, like, editing MIDI. It also lacks ReWire support. RS |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
"Richard Smol" wrote in message oups.com... James Scott wrote: Mike, dump Audacity and download Reaper, which is free and offers VST support without the end user having to jump through hoops. Reaper also has a more intuitive interface, in my opinion: Too bad it crashes like a mofo whenever I try something more elaborate, like, editing MIDI. It also lacks ReWire support. I haven't used it extensively, but it seems stable enough when using Inspector, which is what Mike wanted. If this were for serious work, I doubt he'd use a free DAW. |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
Nick Brown wrote: I'm not an Audacity user, but my impression is that the wording you've seen is targeted at software developers rather than users - there's no reason to download the source for anything unless you're intending to compile it yourself. This thread on the audacity users mailing list appears to confirm this: Thanks for the link. That's exactly what I did - put the VST Enabler.dll in the Audacity\Plugins directory. So maybe my question is more fundamental - How do I start the plug-in? I used the installation tool that came with Inspector and it created its own directory for its files (as expected). So how to I tell Audacity to go there to look for the plug-in? Or do I need to copy Inspectors's files into the Audacity folder? I'm a virgin here. I don't have a clue and there are no instructions that I can find. I've tried Reaper and didn't care for it, and it, too, crashed. I just want something simple. I know there are some Audacity users here. Why does everyone want me to change programs? Oh, I know - it's Usenet. g Perhaps I just don't know what to expect. The only thing I could think of to do was to select the waveform, then look for a clue as to how to engage a plug-in from the pull-down "Effects" menu. Bob - I have Tracktion but I don't like it very much, plus it's crashed on me when I actually tried to use it (never when I was just playing around). And I tried |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
Mike Rivers wrote: So how to I tell Audacity to go there to look for the plug-in? Or do I need to copy Inspectors's files into the Audacity folder? I'm a virgin here. OK, did that, and now I can find Inspector on the Effects list, but I don't see anything that looks remotely like what the plug-in's GUI is supposed to look like. Is this what they mean by the "poor GUI" with the VST enabler? I had guessed that means that the GUI for launching the plug-in didn't look good, but that once the plug-in was launched, it would look like it's supposed to look. Or maybe not??? Like I said, I don't really know how these things are supposed to work. If it isn't obvious, I guess I don't need it. Maybe I'm just chasing something that isn't ready to work here. I'll try using Inspector with Trackton to see if it looks like I expect it to look. |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
jazznutz wrote: I agree Reaper is updating on a daily basis Wake me up when it's finished. g |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
VST plugin GUIs come in two flavors. Simple plugins just declare a list
of parameters, and it's up to the host how those are presented to the user - commonly just a row of sliders. There is no provision (that I'm aware of) for giving visual feedback (like metering) to the user. That sort are very rare these days; the second flavor of plugin is one which supplies it's own GUI - the Inspector plugin will certainly be of this kind. Usually with a "whatever-to-VST" plugin adapter there's some button to press which opens the plugin's own GUI in a new window. I wouldn't have thought that VST Enabler would be very much use without that, but you could be right - maybe it's not ready yet. Come to think of it, last time I used such an adapter it was to get VST plugins within Samplitude (probably about v5.9) - surely Sequoia has decent VST support these days? -Nick Mike Rivers wrote: Mike Rivers wrote: So how to I tell Audacity to go there to look for the plug-in? Or do I need to copy Inspectors's files into the Audacity folder? I'm a virgin here. OK, did that, and now I can find Inspector on the Effects list, but I don't see anything that looks remotely like what the plug-in's GUI is supposed to look like. Is this what they mean by the "poor GUI" with the VST enabler? I had guessed that means that the GUI for launching the plug-in didn't look good, but that once the plug-in was launched, it would look like it's supposed to look. Or maybe not??? Like I said, I don't really know how these things are supposed to work. If it isn't obvious, I guess I don't need it. Maybe I'm just chasing something that isn't ready to work here. I'll try using Inspector with Trackton to see if it looks like I expect it to look. |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message oups.com... jazznutz wrote: I agree Reaper is updating on a daily basis Wake me up when it's finished. g Why? It's more complete than Audacity. |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
James Scott wrote: Why? It's more complete than Audacity. And this is a criteria? It does things I don't want to do. It doesn't do things I want to do as easily as other programs. It crashes. Please, let it go. I tried it, didn't want to use it. Just because it's good for you doesn't mean it's good for me. Case closed. |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
Nick Brown wrote: Usually with a "whatever-to-VST" plugin adapter there's some button to press which opens the plugin's own GUI in a new window. I wouldn't have thought that VST Enabler would be very much use without that, but you could be right - maybe it's not ready yet. Come to think of it, last time I used such an adapter it was to get VST plugins within Samplitude (probably about v5.9) - surely Sequoia has decent VST support these days? It does. I was avoiding using Sequoia because that's on another computer and I didn't want to muck things up over there, but I broke down and gave it a try. Indeed, the Inspector user interface is there, looking just like it's supposed to look. I still feel like I'm in a video game haze with this, though - just had to keep fooling around until I figured out what they wanted me to do. As I said, I've never (knowingly) used a VST plug-in, and for sure never installed one that wasn't part of a program. Much as I looked in the Sequoia menus, the Sequoia help, and even the manual, I couldn't find something that lets you tell it "Look for a plug-in here." I copied the DLL into what seemed like a likely directory under Sequoia and then was able to start it up with a little fumbling. As I've said before, I'm not a very visual person (you don't have to be sightless to be blind) and it might be right in front of me and I just haven't seen the button. Trouble is that once I find it, I'll probably forget where it is next time. g Anyway, unless someone has Inspector running on Audacity and looking like it's supposed to look, I'll just write this off as a lost cause. I've had my look, and it's pretty neat. That's about all I wanted for now. |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message oups.com... James Scott wrote: Why? It's more complete than Audacity. And this is a criteria? It does things I don't want to do. It doesn't do things I want to do as easily as other programs. It crashes. Please, let it go. I tried it, didn't want to use it. Just because it's good for you doesn't mean it's good for me. Case closed. It's not a problem or anything, just wondering why you blew it off in light of the bull**** you just went through with Audacity. No biggie though. |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
James Scott wrote: It's not a problem or anything, just wondering why you blew it off in light of the bull**** you just went through with Audacity. No biggie though. I've been using Audacity on and off for a couple of years. I tried Reaper when people first started talking about it (as an alternative to Tracktion) on the Mackie forum, went through one or two updates, and still didn't like it. So I blew it off long before now. Not a problem or anything. I just didn't need Reaper's strong points, and (other than working with a VST plug-in, which I only tried for the first time yesterday) Audacity has been satisfactory for my applications. What I really need to do is get the update to Fast Edit so I can work with 24-bit files and I can ditch Audacity. |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
Bob - I have Tracktion but I don't like it very much, plus it's crashed on me when I actually tried to use it (never when I was just playing around). And I tried Mike, I'm not real fond of the Tracktion user interface either, but that's probably due to my preference for Cool Edit Pro. Tracktion was the only program I could get the PowerCore Firewire DSP accelerator & Sony Oxford VST plugins to run without crashing (BSOD) on my workstation during serious work, source files hours in length, days of use. Tracktion had come with an Onyx mixer acquired so it didn't cost me any extra money. I have four VST hosts and they all behaved differently as to stability, the way they exposed the plugin control interface, the number of control interfaces that could be displayed simultaneously and so on. For my situation I was informed that Nuendo would be the best choice but I'm not in a hurry to spend another pile of money to move away from Audition anytime soon. I get the feeling that VST Hosts and plugins are still somewhat on the bleeding edge. bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaos http://www.bsstudios.com |
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Mike Rivers wrote: Anyway, unless someone has Inspector running on Audacity and looking like it's supposed to look, I'll just write this off as a lost cause. I've had my look, and it's pretty neat. That's about all I wanted for now. This seems to be a limitation with Steinberg's wanting to maintain control over the use of VST's source code. The Audacity site bears this out in stating that the recent versions are a step backward in VST implementation. The VSTs get a generic GUI. They should be fully functional, just look different than expected. I've noticed this in other programs as well when using "third party" plugins. Isn't open source great ? Audacity (etc) must really be putting a dent in Steinberg's profits. ;- rd |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
wrote: I have four VST hosts and they all behaved differently as to stability, the way they exposed the plugin control interface, the number of control interfaces that could be displayed simultaneously and so on. What's wrong with this picture? What's wrong with this industry that they call something a "standard" (VST) and then nobody standardizes with it. That's the nice thing about standards, so many to choose from and so many versions and variants at any given hour of any given day. For my situation I was informed that Nuendo would be the best choice but I'm not in a hurry to spend another pile of money to move away from Audition anytime soon. Oh, THAT'S what's wrong with this industry - they need to keep getting money out of you. g Periodically I give Fletcher a pile of money for single instance only analog plugins. They seem to work fine even without a DAW, do what their supposed to with a minimum of fuss and the user interface is usually simple enough, always displayed and stable. Only problem is the amount of space they take up and electricity used collectively when many plugins are employed simultaneously. I'm still drooling for a Dan Kennedy Great River EQ plugin someday. bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaos http://www.bsstudios.com |
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VST Plug-Ins with Audacity
On 31 Jul 2006 15:06:19 -0700, "Mike Rivers"
wrote: Can someone tell me what to do next? Yeah! Dump Audacity and use Kristal Audio Engine: http://www.kreatives.org/kristal/ It's been around for years, has a great feature set, is ultra-easy to use and supports VST and ASIO very well. It's not my preferred app, but I recommend it regularly to folks looking for a simple freeware audio editing app. Try it! - TR |
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Citizen Ted wrote: Yeah! Dump Audacity and use Kristal Audio Engine: http://www.kreatives.org/kristal/ Geez, I don't know why I tolerate this nonsense, but having nothing better to do for an hour, I downloaded and installed the program. Fumbling through the minimal documentation, it seemed to work fine (including displaying Inspector) on my "desktop" computer with some dumb AC97 sound card. But when I installed it on the "serious audio computer" (the famous Dell laptop that I still haven't replaced) and tried to use it with the Digigram VX Pocket card, it wasn't very well behaved. It recorded, but the transport time code display didn't run, and it didn't seem to recognize the Digigram ASIO driver properly. It would monitor - an ASIO-only feature - but I couldn't turn it off. Hour up, it's outa here. Nice try, though. I'll stick with analog for another 20 years, and then I'll probably be dead or deaf. |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
Anyway, unless someone has Inspector running on Audacity and looking like it's supposed to look, I'll just write this off as a lost cause. I've had my look, and it's pretty neat. That's about all I wanted for now. Mike, this may not help, but I use Audacity and I just downloaded a new VST plugin and it works fine. I did download and install the VST enabler. When I downloaded the plugin (Ambiance from Magnus at smartelectronix) it came with very specific directions as to where to put the plugin. I did that and it worked fine. However, that may be of limited help to you because I use Mac. If you think it would help, I'll post the details. -Raf -- Misifus- Rafael Seibert blog: http://rafsrincon.blogspot.com/ Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii home: http://www.rafandsioux.com |
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RD Jones wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote: Anyway, unless someone has Inspector running on Audacity and looking like it's supposed to look, I'll just write this off as a lost cause. I've had my look, and it's pretty neat. That's about all I wanted for now. This seems to be a limitation with Steinberg's wanting to maintain control over the use of VST's source code. The Audacity site bears this out in stating that the recent versions are a step backward in VST implementation. The VSTs get a generic GUI. They should be fully functional, just look different than expected. I've noticed this in other programs as well when using "third party" plugins. Isn't open source great ? Audacity (etc) must really be putting a dent in Steinberg's profits. ;- rd Oh, yeah, it's a very plain jane interface - doesn't look anything like the slick GUI on the website. -Raf -- Misifus- Rafael Seibert blog: http://rafsrincon.blogspot.com/ Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii home: http://www.rafandsioux.com |
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Hour up, it's outa here.
Nice try, though. I'll stick with analog for another 20 years, and then I'll probably be dead or deaf. Or you could use a real application instead of the ****ty free stuff... :-) BTW, would you ever use a 2" 24-track that the company gives out for free? |
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Romeo Rondeau wrote: Or you could use a real application instead of the ****ty free stuff... :-) No money to be made playing with this plug-in, so no money is budgeted for a "real" application. BTW, would you ever use a 2" 24-track that the company gives out for free? Well, I did use a 2" 16-track that the company (our local public TV station) gave me for free. Since I didn't have a way to carry it home whole, I had to disassemble it there and leave the rack chassis behind (someone from the station took it home to use for his church's sound system) and I used it as a source of spare parts. |
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Romeo Rondeau wrote:
Hour up, it's outa here. Nice try, though. I'll stick with analog for another 20 years, and then I'll probably be dead or deaf. Or you could use a real application instead of the ****ty free stuff... :-) BTW, would you ever use a 2" 24-track that the company gives out for free? I think Quantegy is coming close to that. It's like the razors that are free... you still have to pay for the blades. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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BTW, would you ever use a 2" 24-track that the company gives out for
free? Perhaps. We just got one for free and it'll cost $500 to wire up and $500 for a short calibration tape. Tape's $200 a reel. Someone could make money that way. Kinda like ProTools! :-) Buy the hardware and the software is free... |
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