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When did you switch to CDs, and why?
Peter Larsen: "Shut up..." "Kind Regards,"
Kind of hypocritical, telling people to "shut up". Where'd you learn that from - Bill O'Reilly? lmao... Look in the toilet bowl for the last iota of respect I ONCE HAD for you. I tried to make a point as best as I could on here, and some JERK is telling me to shut up? Wish I knew your Mother so I could share this with her. |
#1042
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When did you switch to CDs, and why?
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I tried to make a point as best as I could on here, and some JERK is telling me to shut up? Wish I knew your Mother so I could share this with her. It's possible that they are telling you to shut up because your point is totally irrelevant to the subject at hand. It's also possible that they are telling you to shut up because you are totally unable to defend your point and your inability to understand how levels work invalidates your argument. This is bad, because overcompression is a problem. As someone who has worked long and hard for many years to fight against overcompression, I have to say that people like you are not helping and in fact are distracting public interest from the the real issue. If you were indeed to shut up, it would help your own side. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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#1044
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When did you switch to CDs, and why?
Peter Larsen:
I happen to operate from the gut. And my gut tells me, common sense, that the more you compress something, not only can you raise it's RMS, but the closer more of its peaks will continuously reside near full-scale. You're absolutely right - most of the loudening effect occurs to the RMS, but the peaks become somewhat more sustained near FS too. The crest factor - the ratio between the RMS and those peaks, diminishes. Again, something even a child would know. |
#1045
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#1046
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"Peter Larsen" wrote in message ... wrote: I happen to operate from the gut. And my gut tells me, common sense, that the more you compress something, not only can you raise it's RMS, but the closer more of its peaks will continuously reside near full-scale. Your gut is wrong, you can easily compress music by *reducing* the peaks, and thus they are further from dFS. You can *increase* the "RMS" *and* also a *reduction* in peak levels with compression. That's the way it was usually done in the analog era. You're absolutely right - most of the loudening effect occurs to the RMS, but the peaks become somewhat more sustained near FS too. Leave FS out of it, it is irrelevant, in this context only crest factor matters. Not totally irrelevent, since most pop CD's these days are digitally clipped to hell and back, the crest factor will also be reduced even without any extra compression. Of course they add plenty of that as well. Trevor. |
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"Trevor" wrote in message ... Not totally irrelevent, since most pop CD's these days are digitally clipped to hell and back, You sure they are 'digitally clipped' rather than 'heavily limited' ? Cos that is pure incompetence and acheives nothing positive for anybody, whatever their aim. And probably goes against something in the Red Book. geoff |
#1048
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When did you switch to CDs, and why?
Peter Larsen wrote:
wrote: geoff wrote "You are still confusing peak level with RMS power content. geoff " Like HELL I am! You are not a positive example of well mannered behavior in a usenet newsgroup, cut the caps lock or expect to be flamed, that _is_ just how it is on the usenet. His loudness problem is personal. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://hankandshaidrimusic.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic |
#1049
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When did you switch to CDs, and why?
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You go away for a while, but then you come back with the same Stupid that you started with last time. That's a keeper line. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://hankandshaidrimusic.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic |
#1050
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When did you switch to CDs, and why?
geoff wrote:
"Trevor" wrote in message ... Not totally irrelevent, since most pop CD's these days are digitally clipped to hell and back, You sure they are 'digitally clipped' rather than 'heavily limited' ? Cos that is pure incompetence and acheives nothing positive for anybody, whatever their aim. And probably goes against something in the Red Book. geoff Digital clipping is de rigueur at the mastering stage for that truly crushed drop-a-brick-on-yer-tympanic-membrane "sound". I wish I was joking. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://hankandshaidrimusic.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic |
#1051
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Trevor wrote: "Your gut is wrong, you can easily compress music by *reducing* the peaks,
and thus they are further from dFS. You can *increase* the "RMS" *and* also a *reduction* in peak levels with compression. That's the way it was usually " Yes, but when you increase the RMS(raise the level globally), those compressed peaks will be back up as close to FS as you need them to be! Basically, it's like shaving all the buildings in manhattan to 50 stories, and then raising the entire island of manhattan(rms) up so that all those shaved buildings are at or close to peak(110 stories if we use WTC as "full scale"). |
#1052
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When did you switch to CDs, and why?
geoff wrote from under a rock "You sure they are 'digitally clipped' rather than 'heavily limited' ? Cos
that is pure incompetence and acheives nothing positive for anybody, " Two words for you: Death Magnetic |
#1053
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When did you switch to CDs, and why?
brownnote @ gmail.com wrote in message
... I happen to operate from the gut. And my gut tells me, common sense, You'd be better off using your brain. Too bad it's so badly damaged. Your "common sense" is a lame euphemism for abject ignorance, and your gut is what produces your ****. You have no idea what you're talking about. You may be fooling someone, somewhere, but here in RAP, nobody's falling for it. You need elementary training in mathematics and science, followed by education in audio beginning from first principles. Then you might have the basis for understanding that you are, at this time, nothing more than a ****ing idiot spewing from the nether end of the gut. |
#1054
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When did you switch to CDs, and why?
"geoff" wrote in message ... "Trevor" wrote in message ... Not totally irrelevent, since most pop CD's these days are digitally clipped to hell and back, You sure they are 'digitally clipped' rather than 'heavily limited' ? Yep I sure am, and anyone can see for themselves by ripping something like Brittny Spears, Katy Perry etc. into their favourite DAW and marvelling at all those flat tops, some hundreds of samples wide! :-( They often drop the level 0.3dB after it has been massively clipped before going to CD, mainly to disguise the fact. I'm surprised at how many idots argue it's not clipped just because the level has been reduced, but obviously there's no shortage of technical illiterates or they wouldn't do it. Cos that is pure incompetence Yes, but it is definitely deliberate. and acheives nothing positive for anybody, It achieves what they are asked to do, in a really crapper manner. whatever their aim. And probably goes against something in the Red Book. I don't think Red Book has anything to say about poor taste. Trevor. |
#1055
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When did you switch to CDs, and why?
wrote in message ... Trevor wrote: "Your gut is wrong, you can easily compress music by *reducing* the peaks, and thus they are further from dFS. You can *increase* the "RMS" *and* also a *reduction* in peak levels with compression. That's the way it was usually .... Yes, but when you increase the RMS(raise the level globally), those compressed peaks will be back up as close to FS as you need them to be! Simply depends on how much compression you apply and how much global gain increase you apply. The choice is yours. *If* you apply more compression than gain increase, you *can* increase RMS while reducing peak levels, just as I stated. Trevor. |
#1056
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When did you switch to CDs, and why?
Trevor wrote: "Yep I sure am, and anyone can see for themselves by ripping something like
Brittny Spears, Katy Perry etc. into their favourite DAW and marvelling at all those flat tops, some hundreds of samples wide! :-( They often drop the level 0.3dB after it has been massively clipped before going to CD, mainly to disguise the fact. I'm surprised at how many idots argue it's not clipped just because the level has been reduced, but obviously there's no shortage of technical illiterates or they wouldn't do " And what you described is why I have stopped buying CDs - new ones anyway. It is not just being done to Spears and Perry and other modern acts' CDs, but to many so-called remasters of classic rock and r&b back catalog. (Though some on here might deny it in those latter cases..) And in modern cases it's a real kick in the gut when a vinyl release of the same album reveals none of that overprocessing! That's why all my CD shopping for the past two years has been at flea markets and thrift stores. |
#1057
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When did you switch to CDs, and why?
Trever wrote: "
"geoff" wrote in message ... "Trevor" wrote in message ... Not totally irrelevent, since most pop CD's these days are digitally clipped to hell and back, You sure they are 'digitally clipped' rather than 'heavily limited' ? Yep I sure am, and anyone can see for themselves by ripping something like Brittny Spears, Katy Perry etc. into their favourite DAW and marvelling at all those flat tops, some hundreds of samples wide! :-( They often drop the level 0.3dB after it has been massively clipped before going to CD, mainly to disguise the fact. I'm surprised at how many idots argue it's not clipped just because the level has been reduced, but obviously there's no shortage of technical illiterates or they wouldn't do it. Cos that is pure incompetence Yes, but it is definitely deliberate. and acheives nothing positive for anybody, It achieves what they are asked to do, in a really crapper manner. whatever their aim. And probably goes against something in the Red Book. I don't think Red Book has anything to say about poor taste. Trevor. " And to add Trevor: THIS is what I've been railing about on here, the heavy CD compression and clipping, on Gearslutz, PSW, "End the loudness War"(Ian Shepard's phoney group on Facebook)!! And all I've been told by people in those places is to "ignore the numbers" and the waveforms and just decide for yourself how it sounds. Ironic: When I make a statement about it, I get called a troll and killfiled. When another poster makes light of it, it's alright! I can't win... |
#1058
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When did you switch to CDs, and why?
brain damaged troll @gmail.com wrote in message
... snip a bunch of crap where chrissie boy refuses to quote properly When I make a statement about it, I get called a troll and killfiled. When another poster makes light of it, it's alright! And you're still too stupid to figure it out. You seem to like being stupid. I can't win... It might help if you stopped working so hard at being a loser. But you're too stupid to figure it out. Did you get dropped on your head a lot as a child? |
#1059
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wrote in message ... Trever wrote: " And to add Trevor: THIS is what I've been railing about on here, the heavy CD compression and clipping, on Gearslutz, PSW, "End the loudness War"(Ian Shepard's phoney group on Facebook)!! And all I've been told by people in those places is to "ignore the numbers" and the waveforms and just decide for yourself how it sounds. Ironic: When I make a statement about it, I get called a troll and killfiled. When another poster makes light of it, it's alright! I can't win... No, you started by raving on about analogue operating levels of consoles and somehow relating this to clipping on CDs. geoff |
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