Arrgh! I just finished making a pair of insert cables for my RNP and
it turns out the jacks are so crammed together on the back panel, I
cant even fit two Neutrik TRS connectors side by side...The exact same
thing happened to me a couple weeks ago with an AdrenaLinn.
Can anyone recommend a good 1/4" connector that is narrower than the
Neutrik? I guess I could use the old standard issue connectors, but
I've always liked the Neutriks...it could be purely psychological but
they just feel more substantial. I'm really surprised that this is
even an issue as these connectors are fairly standard issue. I'm all
for small packages, but come on!
Thanks,
Boyd Post

I just finished making a pair of insert cables for my RNP and
it turns out the jacks are so crammed together on the back panel, I
cant even fit two Neutrik TRS connectors side by side...The exact same
thing happened to me a couple weeks ago with an AdrenaLinn.
Can anyone recommend a good 1/4" connector that is narrower than the
Neutrik?

The plain vanilla Switchcraft will work. As close as the females can physically
fit on a panel, the males can accomodate. Part number might be 250, IIRC.



Scott Fraser

I just finished making a pair of insert cables for my RNP and
it turns out the jacks are so crammed together on the back panel, I
cant even fit two Neutrik TRS connectors side by side...The exact same
thing happened to me a couple weeks ago with an AdrenaLinn.
Can anyone recommend a good 1/4" connector that is narrower than the
Neutrik?

The plain vanilla Switchcraft will work. As close as the females can physically
fit on a panel, the males can accomodate. Part number might be 250, IIRC.



Scott Fraser

Arrgh! I just finished making a pair of insert cables for my RNP and
it turns out the jacks are so crammed together on the back panel, I
cant even fit two Neutrik TRS connectors side by side...The exact same
thing happened to me a couple weeks ago with an AdrenaLinn.
Can anyone recommend a good 1/4" connector that is narrower than the
Neutrik? I guess I could use the old standard issue connectors, but
I've always liked the Neutriks...it could be purely psychological but
they just feel more substantial. I'm really surprised that this is
even an issue as these connectors are fairly standard issue. I'm all
for small packages, but come on!
Thanks,
Boyd Post


Think Switchcraft and Markertek

--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

Arrgh! I just finished making a pair of insert cables for my RNP and
it turns out the jacks are so crammed together on the back panel, I
cant even fit two Neutrik TRS connectors side by side...The exact same
thing happened to me a couple weeks ago with an AdrenaLinn.
Can anyone recommend a good 1/4" connector that is narrower than the
Neutrik? I guess I could use the old standard issue connectors, but
I've always liked the Neutriks...it could be purely psychological but
they just feel more substantial. I'm really surprised that this is
even an issue as these connectors are fairly standard issue. I'm all
for small packages, but come on!
Thanks,
Boyd Post


Think Switchcraft and Markertek

--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

(boydp) wrote:
Arrgh! I just finished making a pair of insert cables for my RNP and
it turns out the jacks are so crammed together on the back panel, I
cant even fit two Neutrik TRS connectors side by side...The exact same
thing happened to me a couple weeks ago with an AdrenaLinn.

Yep, and MOTU stuff usually has the jacks crammed too close for the
Neutriks, too. I usually use Soundcraft 1/4" plugs for snakes and
patch cables. The Neutrik 1/4"s I just use for guitar/instrument
cables because they do look impressive, don't they?

Andrew

(boydp) wrote:
Arrgh! I just finished making a pair of insert cables for my RNP and
it turns out the jacks are so crammed together on the back panel, I
cant even fit two Neutrik TRS connectors side by side...The exact same
thing happened to me a couple weeks ago with an AdrenaLinn.

Yep, and MOTU stuff usually has the jacks crammed too close for the
Neutriks, too. I usually use Soundcraft 1/4" plugs for snakes and
patch cables. The Neutrik 1/4"s I just use for guitar/instrument
cables because they do look impressive, don't they?

Andrew

In article writes:

Arrgh! I just finished making a pair of insert cables for my RNP and
it turns out the jacks are so crammed together on the back panel, I
cant even fit two Neutrik TRS connectors side by side...The exact same
thing happened to me a couple weeks ago with an AdrenaLinn.
Can anyone recommend a good 1/4" connector that is narrower than the
Neutrik?


Switchcraft 297. Accept no substitutes. The Neutrik shell is nice and
beefy, but sometimes you just need standard "commercial" sized
connectors.

Now if anyone knows of a 2-conductor+shield mini phone plug with a
shell small enough to fit the input jack on a Jukebox 3, I'd love to
know what it is. I'm getting pretty good at trimming down the soft
plugs molded on to Radio Shack cables with a pocket knife. Maybe I
need to buy a real metal plug and turn it down in the lathe (before
attaching cables, of course).


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In article writes:

Arrgh! I just finished making a pair of insert cables for my RNP and
it turns out the jacks are so crammed together on the back panel, I
cant even fit two Neutrik TRS connectors side by side...The exact same
thing happened to me a couple weeks ago with an AdrenaLinn.
Can anyone recommend a good 1/4" connector that is narrower than the
Neutrik?


Switchcraft 297. Accept no substitutes. The Neutrik shell is nice and
beefy, but sometimes you just need standard "commercial" sized
connectors.

Now if anyone knows of a 2-conductor+shield mini phone plug with a
shell small enough to fit the input jack on a Jukebox 3, I'd love to
know what it is. I'm getting pretty good at trimming down the soft
plugs molded on to Radio Shack cables with a pocket knife. Maybe I
need to buy a real metal plug and turn it down in the lathe (before
attaching cables, of course).


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

boydp wrote:

Arrgh! I just finished making a pair of insert cables for my RNP and
it turns out the jacks are so crammed together on the back panel, I
cant even fit two Neutrik TRS connectors side by side...The exact same
thing happened to me a couple weeks ago with an AdrenaLinn.
Can anyone recommend a good 1/4" connector that is narrower than the
Neutrik? I guess I could use the old standard issue connectors, but
I've always liked the Neutriks...it could be purely psychological but
they just feel more substantial. I'm really surprised that this is
even an issue as these connectors are fairly standard issue. I'm all
for small packages, but come on!

Get the Mil Spec Neutriks, NP3T series. Stronger than dirt, too.

--
ha

boydp wrote:

Arrgh! I just finished making a pair of insert cables for my RNP and
it turns out the jacks are so crammed together on the back panel, I
cant even fit two Neutrik TRS connectors side by side...The exact same
thing happened to me a couple weeks ago with an AdrenaLinn.
Can anyone recommend a good 1/4" connector that is narrower than the
Neutrik? I guess I could use the old standard issue connectors, but
I've always liked the Neutriks...it could be purely psychological but
they just feel more substantial. I'm really surprised that this is
even an issue as these connectors are fairly standard issue. I'm all
for small packages, but come on!

Get the Mil Spec Neutriks, NP3T series. Stronger than dirt, too.

--
ha

Get the Mil Spec Neutriks, NP3T series. Stronger than dirt, too.

--
ha



Those are the ones that don't fit.

I love them too.

The Switchcraft 297 has been a regular staple of mine, but their prices are sky
high.
Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

Get the Mil Spec Neutriks, NP3T series. Stronger than dirt, too.

--
ha



Those are the ones that don't fit.

I love them too.

The Switchcraft 297 has been a regular staple of mine, but their prices are sky
high.
Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

In article writes:

The Switchcraft 297 has been a regular staple of mine, but their
prices are sky high.

My Winter 2003 Markertek catalog has the Switchcraft 297 for $2.53 in
single quantites, and $1.95 if you can use 100. That doesn't seem sky
high to me, unless the prices have gone up very recently because of
something like OPEC holding out on production or reduced connector
herds due to mad plug disease.




--
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In article writes:

The Switchcraft 297 has been a regular staple of mine, but their
prices are sky high.

My Winter 2003 Markertek catalog has the Switchcraft 297 for $2.53 in
single quantites, and $1.95 if you can use 100. That doesn't seem sky
high to me, unless the prices have gone up very recently because of
something like OPEC holding out on production or reduced connector
herds due to mad plug disease.




--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
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Richard Kuschel wrote:

Those are the ones that don't fit.

You are thinking of the NPC series, which is far more common and has
that easy-to-grab bulged barrel; note the one letter difference; the NPT
series are as narrow as any 1/4" TRS made, straight-sided barrel and out
of machined stock. Really, and really tough. Pretty bitchin' lookin',
too, as if that matters.

--
ha

Richard Kuschel wrote:

Those are the ones that don't fit.

You are thinking of the NPC series, which is far more common and has
that easy-to-grab bulged barrel; note the one letter difference; the NPT
series are as narrow as any 1/4" TRS made, straight-sided barrel and out
of machined stock. Really, and really tough. Pretty bitchin' lookin',
too, as if that matters.

--
ha

Richard Kuschel wrote:

Those are the ones that don't fit.

You are thinking of the NPC series, which is far more common and has
that easy-to-grab bulged barrel; note the one letter difference; the NPT
series are as narrow as any 1/4" TRS made, straight-sided barrel and out
of machined stock. Really, and really tough. Pretty bitchin' lookin',
too, as if that matters.

--
ha


Thanks for that clarification, Hank.

I didn't know that Neutrik had a Mil Spec plug.

They do look nice

The cheap Neutrik TRS Chinese made plugs aren't all that great and I prefer the
Horizon Chinese plugs to them. The Switchcraft are sturdier, though about 2x
the price.


Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

Richard Kuschel wrote:

Those are the ones that don't fit.

You are thinking of the NPC series, which is far more common and has
that easy-to-grab bulged barrel; note the one letter difference; the NPT
series are as narrow as any 1/4" TRS made, straight-sided barrel and out
of machined stock. Really, and really tough. Pretty bitchin' lookin',
too, as if that matters.

--
ha


Thanks for that clarification, Hank.

I didn't know that Neutrik had a Mil Spec plug.

They do look nice

The cheap Neutrik TRS Chinese made plugs aren't all that great and I prefer the
Horizon Chinese plugs to them. The Switchcraft are sturdier, though about 2x
the price.


Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

Richard Kuschel wrote:
Richard Kuschel wrote:
Those are the ones that don't fit.
You are thinking of the NPC series, which is far more common and has
that easy-to-grab bulged barrel; note the one letter difference; the NPT
series are as narrow as any 1/4" TRS made, straight-sided barrel and out
of machined stock. Really, and really tough. Pretty bitchin' lookin',
too, as if that matters.

I didn't know that Neutrik had a Mil Spec plug.

The cheap Neutrik TRS Chinese made plugs aren't all that great and I prefer the
Horizon Chinese plugs to them. The Switchcraft are sturdier, though about 2x
the price.

After my last bout with making snakes and wiring patchbays---I won't
ever use Neutrik TRS (or TS) male plugs again. While I like working
with the XLRs, I have a hard time with the phone plugs.

It's Switchcraft for me.

Rob R.

Richard Kuschel wrote:
Richard Kuschel wrote:
Those are the ones that don't fit.
You are thinking of the NPC series, which is far more common and has
that easy-to-grab bulged barrel; note the one letter difference; the NPT
series are as narrow as any 1/4" TRS made, straight-sided barrel and out
of machined stock. Really, and really tough. Pretty bitchin' lookin',
too, as if that matters.

I didn't know that Neutrik had a Mil Spec plug.

The cheap Neutrik TRS Chinese made plugs aren't all that great and I prefer the
Horizon Chinese plugs to them. The Switchcraft are sturdier, though about 2x
the price.

After my last bout with making snakes and wiring patchbays---I won't
ever use Neutrik TRS (or TS) male plugs again. While I like working
with the XLRs, I have a hard time with the phone plugs.

It's Switchcraft for me.

Rob R.

Rob Reedijk wrote:

After my last bout with making snakes and wiring patchbays---I won't
ever use Neutrik TRS (or TS) male plugs again. While I like working
with the XLRs, I have a hard time with the phone plugs.

Interesting. I appreciate them very well. I find them easy to deal with.
They've been very reliable for me.

It's Switchcraft for me.

Have they been redesigned? I only continue to use their mid-grade right
angle plug for instrument cables. Otherwise the strain relief of the
Neutrik wins me over.

--
ha

Rob Reedijk wrote:

After my last bout with making snakes and wiring patchbays---I won't
ever use Neutrik TRS (or TS) male plugs again. While I like working
with the XLRs, I have a hard time with the phone plugs.

Interesting. I appreciate them very well. I find them easy to deal with.
They've been very reliable for me.

It's Switchcraft for me.

Have they been redesigned? I only continue to use their mid-grade right
angle plug for instrument cables. Otherwise the strain relief of the
Neutrik wins me over.

--
ha

Rob Reedijk wrote:

After my last bout with making snakes and wiring patchbays---I won't
ever use Neutrik TRS (or TS) male plugs again. While I like working
with the XLRs, I have a hard time with the phone plugs.

Interesting. I appreciate them very well. I find them easy to deal with.
They've been very reliable for me.

It's Switchcraft for me.

Have they been redesigned? I only continue to use their mid-grade right
angle plug for instrument cables. Otherwise the strain relief of the
Neutrik wins me over.

--
ha

In article ,
says...
Rob Reedijk wrote:

After my last bout with making snakes and wiring patchbays---I won't
ever use Neutrik TRS (or TS) male plugs again. While I like working
with the XLRs, I have a hard time with the phone plugs.

Interesting. I appreciate them very well. I find them easy to deal with.
They've been very reliable for me.

It's Switchcraft for me.

Have they been redesigned? I only continue to use their mid-grade right
angle plug for instrument cables. Otherwise the strain relief of the
Neutrik wins me over.

I hope not. I've been using Switchcraft 280s and (I think) 290s
(TRS) for a long time. They work great and last forever. I do form
my own strain relief using heatshrink tubing, though.
---Michael (of APP)...

In article ,
says...
Rob Reedijk wrote:

After my last bout with making snakes and wiring patchbays---I won't
ever use Neutrik TRS (or TS) male plugs again. While I like working
with the XLRs, I have a hard time with the phone plugs.

Interesting. I appreciate them very well. I find them easy to deal with.
They've been very reliable for me.

It's Switchcraft for me.

Have they been redesigned? I only continue to use their mid-grade right
angle plug for instrument cables. Otherwise the strain relief of the
Neutrik wins me over.

I hope not. I've been using Switchcraft 280s and (I think) 290s
(TRS) for a long time. They work great and last forever. I do form
my own strain relief using heatshrink tubing, though.
---Michael (of APP)...

In article ,
says...
Rob Reedijk wrote:

After my last bout with making snakes and wiring patchbays---I won't
ever use Neutrik TRS (or TS) male plugs again. While I like working
with the XLRs, I have a hard time with the phone plugs.

Interesting. I appreciate them very well. I find them easy to deal with.
They've been very reliable for me.

It's Switchcraft for me.

Have they been redesigned? I only continue to use their mid-grade right
angle plug for instrument cables. Otherwise the strain relief of the
Neutrik wins me over.

I hope not. I've been using Switchcraft 280s and (I think) 290s
(TRS) for a long time. They work great and last forever. I do form
my own strain relief using heatshrink tubing, though.
---Michael (of APP)...

Michael wrote:

walkinay says...

It's Switchcraft for me.

Have they been redesigned? I only continue to use their mid-grade right
angle plug for instrument cables. Otherwise the strain relief of the
Neutrik wins me over.

I hope not. I've been using Switchcraft 280s and (I think) 290s
(TRS) for a long time. They work great and last forever. I do form
my own strain relief using heatshrink tubing, though.

I do that, too, regardless of a plug's built-in strain relief; I just no
longer appreciate the 280 et al the way I used to, and it's the Neutrik
strain reliever that has turned my mind. Combined with heatshrink good
relief is had. And no pliers needed to bend litle pieces of metal into
place.

--
ha

Michael wrote:

walkinay says...

It's Switchcraft for me.

Have they been redesigned? I only continue to use their mid-grade right
angle plug for instrument cables. Otherwise the strain relief of the
Neutrik wins me over.

I hope not. I've been using Switchcraft 280s and (I think) 290s
(TRS) for a long time. They work great and last forever. I do form
my own strain relief using heatshrink tubing, though.

I do that, too, regardless of a plug's built-in strain relief; I just no
longer appreciate the 280 et al the way I used to, and it's the Neutrik
strain reliever that has turned my mind. Combined with heatshrink good
relief is had. And no pliers needed to bend litle pieces of metal into
place.

--
ha

Michael wrote:

walkinay says...

It's Switchcraft for me.

Have they been redesigned? I only continue to use their mid-grade right
angle plug for instrument cables. Otherwise the strain relief of the
Neutrik wins me over.

I hope not. I've been using Switchcraft 280s and (I think) 290s
(TRS) for a long time. They work great and last forever. I do form
my own strain relief using heatshrink tubing, though.

I do that, too, regardless of a plug's built-in strain relief; I just no
longer appreciate the 280 et al the way I used to, and it's the Neutrik
strain reliever that has turned my mind. Combined with heatshrink good
relief is had. And no pliers needed to bend litle pieces of metal into
place.

--
ha

I didn't know that Neutrik had a Mil Spec plug.

Their web site indicated that the mil spec plugs (NP3T, etc series) are
not compatible with standard 1/4" jacks....

Cheers,

Jeff

I didn't know that Neutrik had a Mil Spec plug.

Their web site indicated that the mil spec plugs (NP3T, etc series) are
not compatible with standard 1/4" jacks....

Cheers,

Jeff

I didn't know that Neutrik had a Mil Spec plug.

Their web site indicated that the mil spec plugs (NP3T, etc series) are
not compatible with standard 1/4" jacks....

Cheers,

Jeff

In article . net HIS writes:

Their web site indicated that the mil spec plugs (NP3T, etc series) are
not compatible with standard 1/4" jacks....

Long frame and headphone type plugs and jacks are not fully
compatible. They'll work most of the time, but putting a long frame
plug in a phone jack won't make great contact with the tip. Putting a
phone plug in a long frame jack will bend the tip contact on the jack
further than it was designed to be bent, and extended use will shorten
the life of the jack, particularly when used with long frame plugs.

I don't know if the "Mil" series you're discussing is the long frame
style ("Mil" is one description of long frame jacks and plugs) but
that's an important compatibility difference.


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In article . net HIS writes:

Their web site indicated that the mil spec plugs (NP3T, etc series) are
not compatible with standard 1/4" jacks....

Long frame and headphone type plugs and jacks are not fully
compatible. They'll work most of the time, but putting a long frame
plug in a phone jack won't make great contact with the tip. Putting a
phone plug in a long frame jack will bend the tip contact on the jack
further than it was designed to be bent, and extended use will shorten
the life of the jack, particularly when used with long frame plugs.

I don't know if the "Mil" series you're discussing is the long frame
style ("Mil" is one description of long frame jacks and plugs) but
that's an important compatibility difference.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article . net HIS writes:

Their web site indicated that the mil spec plugs (NP3T, etc series) are
not compatible with standard 1/4" jacks....

Long frame and headphone type plugs and jacks are not fully
compatible. They'll work most of the time, but putting a long frame
plug in a phone jack won't make great contact with the tip. Putting a
phone plug in a long frame jack will bend the tip contact on the jack
further than it was designed to be bent, and extended use will shorten
the life of the jack, particularly when used with long frame plugs.

I don't know if the "Mil" series you're discussing is the long frame
style ("Mil" is one description of long frame jacks and plugs) but
that's an important compatibility difference.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
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BrightBoy wrote:
I didn't know that Neutrik had a Mil Spec plug.

Their web site indicated that the mil spec plugs (NP3T, etc series) are
not compatible with standard 1/4" jacks....

Those are long-frame plugs. I'd be suspicious if they actually met mil spec.
Long frame plugs cannot be plugged reliably into short-frame jacks.

Neutrik DOES have a narrow right-angle short-frame TRS plug, but it feels
kind of flimsy to me.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

BrightBoy wrote:
I didn't know that Neutrik had a Mil Spec plug.

Their web site indicated that the mil spec plugs (NP3T, etc series) are
not compatible with standard 1/4" jacks....

Those are long-frame plugs. I'd be suspicious if they actually met mil spec.
Long frame plugs cannot be plugged reliably into short-frame jacks.

Neutrik DOES have a narrow right-angle short-frame TRS plug, but it feels
kind of flimsy to me.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

BrightBoy wrote:
I didn't know that Neutrik had a Mil Spec plug.

Their web site indicated that the mil spec plugs (NP3T, etc series) are
not compatible with standard 1/4" jacks....

Those are long-frame plugs. I'd be suspicious if they actually met mil spec.
Long frame plugs cannot be plugged reliably into short-frame jacks.

Neutrik DOES have a narrow right-angle short-frame TRS plug, but it feels
kind of flimsy to me.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Mike Rivers wrote:

I don't know if the "Mil" series you're discussing is the long frame
style ("Mil" is one description of long frame jacks and plugs) but
that's an important compatibility difference.

Yes, it is the longframe style, but I have yet to have any trouble with
it interfacing well with standard 1/4" TRS jacks, excepting those in a
plug 'n' play patchbay I bought that doesn't like regular 1/4" plugs
either. (In the case of the bay, I didn't get what I didn't pay for.)

--
ha