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decent reverb in a DAW system?
After using my share of various software reverbs and such with my existing
Audiophile card, I'm wondering if it's possible to improve the sound of the reverb. I know there are name brand outboard units (ie Lexicon, etc) that are great, but is there any way to improve the reverb of my existing DAW at reasonable cost? How about a card made especially for reverb, any of these recommended and how do they compare to outboard units? Thanks, Sam |
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decent reverb in a DAW system?
Sam Testers wrote:
After using my share of various software reverbs and such with my existing Audiophile card, I'm wondering if it's possible to improve the sound of the reverb. I know there are name brand outboard units (ie Lexicon, etc) that are great, but is there any way to improve the reverb of my existing DAW at reasonable cost? How about a card made especially for reverb, any of these recommended and how do they compare to outboard units? What kind of DAW system are you using? Do you mind of the reverb system can't run in realtime? That is, you have to process a track, then load it into the DAW seperately? There are bunch of convolution reverb packages out there in software that are very good, some of them very cheap. They all eat up a huge amount of CPU time but if you can run them in batch so they don't need to run in realtime, that's not an issue. All of the convolution systems are as good or as bad as the impulses you put into them. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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You can also get UAD-1 cards pretty cheap these days as users are dumping
for much more powerful UAD-2. The Plate 140 is outstanding and Dreamverb & Proverb(?) are also very good. Neil R -- Neil Rutman "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... Sam Testers wrote: After using my share of various software reverbs and such with my existing Audiophile card, I'm wondering if it's possible to improve the sound of the reverb. I know there are name brand outboard units (ie Lexicon, etc) that are great, but is there any way to improve the reverb of my existing DAW at reasonable cost? How about a card made especially for reverb, any of these recommended and how do they compare to outboard units? What kind of DAW system are you using? Do you mind of the reverb system can't run in realtime? That is, you have to process a track, then load it into the DAW seperately? There are bunch of convolution reverb packages out there in software that are very good, some of them very cheap. They all eat up a huge amount of CPU time but if you can run them in batch so they don't need to run in realtime, that's not an issue. All of the convolution systems are as good or as bad as the impulses you put into them. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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decent reverb in a DAW system?
On Dec 22, 8:01*am, "Sam Testers" wrote:
After using my share of various software reverbs and such with my existing Audiophile card, I'm wondering if it's possible to improve the sound of the reverb. *I know there are name brand outboard units (ie Lexicon, etc) that are great, but is there any way to improve the reverb of my existing DAW at reasonable cost? *How about a card made especially for reverb, any of these recommended and how do they compare to outboard units? Thanks, Sam don't know if this may help, but it is a nifty little verb. http://www.anwida.com/product.asp?pid=7 |
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decent reverb in a DAW system?
"Sam Testers" writes:
After using my share of various software reverbs and such with my existing Audiophile card, I'm wondering if it's possible to improve the sound of the reverb. I know there are name brand outboard units (ie Lexicon, etc) that are great, but is there any way to improve the reverb of my existing DAW at reasonable cost? How about a card made especially for reverb, any of these recommended and how do they compare to outboard units? My single biggest complaint about being "forced" into a digital mix system was the general sonic character of in-the-box digital reverb. The TC Electronic outboard digital reverb I was using with the analog mix system took a lot of tweaking to get a good sound, but it finally was a good sound, which indicated that pleasant digital reverb was at least possible. (I did finally wind up building a live acoustic chamber as well, but that's a whole other story. I do take reverb seriously!) Back in Protools land, I did a lot with delays and various EQs to make it better but with mixed success. Main clients finally agreed to buy me the TL convolution reverb, and then later the Waves IR-1 convolution reverb. Still, neither was very impressive out of the box regardless of the impulse set chosen. Still lots of tweaking, fiddling, and multiple-'verb layerings were needed. It's a long, tedious story, but I am finally able to get some gorgeous reverb fields in-the-box. but it's based on two things: a lot of listening and experimentation to get the tweaks, and a large amount of CPU brute force. I got a great buy on a locally-built quad-core machine, which doesn't mind the dozen or so various reverb engines I ask it to run on any given mix session. The client's dual-core really can't do it, and my old single core simply wilts. To answer your question, I'd guess you're on the right path by getting a dedicated reverb engine (adding horsepower, in essence), but such specialized hardware might limit how much varied things you can do. In my case, specialized hardware would be a non-starter with some of my clients because they couldn't run what I'd done. (Wait! That might be a *good* thing!) I do simultaneously run several fields now, but have noticed that even running a couple of instances of reverb (say one convolution and one typical DAW-type "fake" 'verb), along with some careful EQ, can help a lot. But you have to be willing to fiddle with it, step away for a while, come back, go listen to music in a *good* space with NO amplifiation to re-align your perception of reverb, fiddle some more with your synthetic reverb, and eventually you'll get a much better sound. Never trust presets! There is, in my opinion, no "general purpose" reverb setup that will work for everything. There's more to tweak than just decay time and predelay. You have to become more aware, and dial in the 'verb sound best suited for the job. And you might need more CPU umph to do it. Best of luck with it, Frank Stearns Mobile Audio -- |
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I do simultaneously run several fields now, but have noticed that even running a couple of instances of reverb (say one convolution and one typical DAW-type "fake" 'verb), along with some careful EQ, can help a lot. But you have to be willing to fiddle with it, step away for a while, come back, go listen to music in a *good* space with NO amplifiation to re-align your perception of reverb, fiddle some more with your synthetic reverb, and eventually you'll get a much better sound.. Never trust presets! There is, in my opinion, no "general purpose" reverb setup that will work for everything. There's more to tweak than just decay time and predelay. You have to become more aware, and dial in the 'verb sound best suited for the job. And you might need more CPU umph to do it. Best of luck with it, Frank Stearns Mobile Audio -- *. Do different convolution reverbs have a "sound" to them other than the selection of impulse response? If they all do the math right, the "sound" should be totaly determined only by the choice of the impulse repsonse and not the particular SW package. Mark |
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decent reverb in a DAW system?
Sam Testers wrote:
After using my share of various software reverbs and such with my existing Audiophile card, I'm wondering if it's possible to improve the sound of the reverb. I know there are name brand outboard units (ie Lexicon, etc) that are great, but is there any way to improve the reverb of my existing DAW at reasonable cost? How about a card made especially for reverb, any of these recommended and how do they compare to outboard units? You could choose from a huge variety of reverb plugings, one that hopefully does what you want. Nothing that a hardware box can do that can't be done in a DAW, though CPU load can be a factor for realtime preview in some of the 'heavier' reverbs. geoff |
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decent reverb in a DAW system?
"Sam Testers" wrote in
: After using my share of various software reverbs and such with my existing Audiophile card, I'm wondering if it's possible to improve the sound of the reverb. I know there are name brand outboard units (ie Lexicon, etc) that are great, but is there any way to improve the reverb of my existing DAW at reasonable cost? How about a card made especially for reverb, any of these recommended and how do they compare to outboard units? Have you tried SIR? It's free and, when properly applied, sounds like the real thing. Quality is determined by the convolution files. These are available from many sources or you can roll your own. http://www.knufinke.de/sir/sir1.html |
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Frank Stearns wrote:
I wonder about any undisclosed arithmetic short-cuts that might be taken by various packages. Given the exact same impulse data, algorithm variances alone might yield a slightly different sound from different vendors. I guess if there are 'short cuts' taken by a package's designer, if it indeed shows then that package will end up less popular than those that don't do the short-cuts ! geoff |
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decent reverb in a DAW system?
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:01:36 -0500, Sam Testers wrote:
After using my share of various software reverbs and such with my existing Audiophile card, I'm wondering if it's possible to improve the sound of the reverb. I know there are name brand outboard units (ie Lexicon, etc) that are great, but is there any way to improve the reverb of my existing DAW at reasonable cost? How about a card made especially for reverb, any of these recommended and how do they compare to outboard units? Thanks, Sam I've been thinking about this myself recently. Convolution reverbs do the job for me most of the time, but I need a little more flexibility and quite like synthetic reverbs. The cheapest TC DSP card (no bundled plugins, no firewire) with the TC VSS3 reverb plugin might be an option. It has a good pedigree and will do the modulation that I miss from convolving reverbs. For something more digital sounding, the audio damage ADverb reverb is lots of fun. It can sound wonderfully clear and high fidelity, until I solo the reverb return and it sounds really odd. Take the solo off and it sounds great again. You have to trust your ears with it! |
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