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Real 'borgs don't spin vinyl
Some WannaBorg said: I have been engaged in a debate about the "superiority" of LP over CD measured stats (SNR/DR/FR/THD/Speed stability) the CD case (pun) a better transient response system can response to rapidly rising or falling frequencies viz transients. transient rise time of about 7 or 8 microseconds while CD is somewhat slower at around 23 microseconds thus LP is theoretically better at dealing with decay and such - I would not have thought that 16 x 10 to the minus 6 seconds would be a perceptible difference How would one go about measuring this in any case ? Your technojabber is probably pointless enough for the 'borgs to accept you. However, you need to upgrade your wetware to eliminate foolish questions such as this one: does this make any audible difference in practice If you want to be a 'borg and fixate on meaningless measurements, then you must forswear all reliance on subjective criteria. You can't have it both ways: A human being cares about sound and a 'borg cares about measurements. If you are ready to get fully implanted and assimilated, you must be willing to stop wondering if anything is audible. -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
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George M. Middius wrote:
Some WannaBorg said: What ? - I post a perfectly reasonable question and am insulted - why ? Your technojabber is probably pointless enough for the 'borgs to accept you. However, you need to upgrade your wetware to eliminate foolish questions such as this one: does this make any audible difference in practice Er, what is this all about - I dont see why this is a foolish question. Some folks argue that some properties of LP give rise to superior transient response to CD, this may make LP *audibly* superior in some respects - I see it as a legit question. If I am using an incorrect technical term I am happy to being corrected, but I see no need to get rude. If you want to be a 'borg and fixate on meaningless measurements, then you must forswear all reliance on subjective criteria. You can't have it both ways: A human being cares about sound and a 'borg cares about measurements. If you are ready to get fully implanted and assimilated, you must be willing to stop wondering if anything is audible. Well, I would contend that some measurements at least are meaningful, such as SNR which would indicate how much extraneous noise a system has, and would humbly suggest that less noise would be better - within the limits of human perception of course. I dont know preciesely what you mean by "be a borg" , but I assume it is an insult, this seems somewhat uncalled for. |
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George M. Middius a scris: Some WannaBorg said: I have been engaged in a debate about the "superiority" of LP over CD measured stats (SNR/DR/FR/THD/Speed stability) the CD case (pun) a better transient response system can response to rapidly rising or falling frequencies viz transients. transient rise time of about 7 or 8 microseconds while CD is somewhat slower at around 23 microseconds thus LP is theoretically better at dealing with decay and such - I would not have thought that 16 x 10 to the minus 6 seconds would be a perceptible difference How would one go about measuring this in any case ? Your technojabber is probably pointless enough for the 'borgs to accept you. However, you need to upgrade your wetware to eliminate foolish questions such as this one: does this make any audible difference in practice If you want to be a 'borg and fixate on meaningless measurements, then you must forswear all reliance on subjective criteria. You can't have it both ways: A human being cares about sound and a 'borg cares about measurements. If you are ready to get fully implanted and assimilated, you must be willing to stop wondering if anything is audible. -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
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George M. Middius a scris: If you want to be a 'borg and fixate on meaningless measurements, then you must forswear all reliance on subjective criteria. You can't have it both ways: A human being cares about sound and a 'borg cares about measurements. If you are ready to get fully implanted and assimilated, you must be willing to stop wondering if anything is audible. He can have it both ways, but at the cost of an eye gouging. |
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Real 'borgs don't spin vinyl
George M. Middius wrote: Some WannaBorg said: I have been engaged in a debate about the "superiority" of LP over CD measured stats (SNR/DR/FR/THD/Speed stability) the CD case (pun) a better transient response system can response to rapidly rising or falling frequencies viz transients. transient rise time of about 7 or 8 microseconds while CD is somewhat slower at around 23 microseconds thus LP is theoretically better at dealing with decay and such - I would not have thought that 16 x 10 to the minus 6 seconds would be a perceptible difference How would one go about measuring this in any case ? Your technojabber is probably pointless enough for the 'borgs to accept you. However, you need to upgrade your wetware to eliminate foolish questions such as this one: does this make any audible difference in practice If you want to be a 'borg and fixate on meaningless measurements, then you must forswear all reliance on subjective criteria. You can't have it both ways: A human being cares about sound and a 'borg cares about measurements. If you are ready to get fully implanted and assimilated, you must be willing to stop wondering if anything is audible. Does it make an audible difference or not is not a question our resident ridiculer accepts as pertinent. You must ask if it makes you feel different. Understand that George probably crushes one or both of his nuts with a pair of vice grips before playing Metallica to get in the proper frame of mind. After that audible differences really have no bearing on his enjoyment. ScottW |
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My god, Scottie Terrierdork made aNOTHer joke! Understand that George probably crushes one or both of his nuts with a pair of vice grips before playing Metallica to get in the proper frame of mind. After that audible differences really have no bearing on his enjoyment. This bizarre, un-Scottie like behavior (two jokes in two days) must be connected to some event you haven't disclosed. I think Shhhh was right about the Chargers' loss having an effect on you, but wrong about the specifics. I think you bet *against* the home team and won a pile of money when the team lost. And that's why you're brimming with Scottie-humor of late. BTW, your "vice[sic] grips" joke fell flat because I never listen to any metal bands. A sophisticated version of the joke -- equally erroneous in its premise, but palpably snider -- would have invoked Liza or Babs. Too bad you missed that obvious opening, Scooter. -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
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Real 'borgs don't spin vinyl
I was posed with a similar question a couple of weeks ago. I was trying
to compare my TT to my CD player. I managed to find some old recordings on vinyl for which I had CD's for and started this regime of comparisions. And trust me there is no commonality. Couple of things I should have known...different technologies, different media materials. Though I must admit the sound quality from the vinyl was more dynamic but lacked bass and the on the CD it was tighter with a bit more bass. Both sounded good and it was a futile exercise. My conclusions were later 'harmonised' by a good man on this newsgroup.I hope this helps. Cheers Max George M. Middius wrote: Some WannaBorg said: I have been engaged in a debate about the "superiority" of LP over CD measured stats (SNR/DR/FR/THD/Speed stability) the CD case (pun) a better transient response system can response to rapidly rising or falling frequencies viz transients. transient rise time of about 7 or 8 microseconds while CD is somewhat slower at around 23 microseconds thus LP is theoretically better at dealing with decay and such - I would not have thought that 16 x 10 to the minus 6 seconds would be a perceptible difference How would one go about measuring this in any case ? Your technojabber is probably pointless enough for the 'borgs to accept you. However, you need to upgrade your wetware to eliminate foolish questions such as this one: does this make any audible difference in practice If you want to be a 'borg and fixate on meaningless measurements, then you must forswear all reliance on subjective criteria. You can't have it both ways: A human being cares about sound and a 'borg cares about measurements. If you are ready to get fully implanted and assimilated, you must be willing to stop wondering if anything is audible. -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
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