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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
I need a little help.
Last week I heard a song where the male vocal was panned left to right during the verse. Next verse would start again on the left and pan to the right during the verse. Per my memory it was something like Eric Burdon and the Animals but I went through all of those and didn't find one like that. I really thought it was something like the song "When I was Young", the song builds through each verse and pans left to right. It was probably from that era but I'm not 100% sure. Anybody help? thanks Mark |
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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
Mako:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aTLU1Qx5ioI ? (Though every instance of "When I was Young" by the Animals, on YouTube, is in mono ) Then there is Eric Carmen's "All By Myself" - opening lyrics are "When I was young .. .." Plenty of that in stereo on YouTube, but Carmen stayed basically in the middle during that song. |
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Last week I heard a song where the male vocal was panned left to right during the verse. Next verse would start again on the left and pan to the right during the verse. Per my memory it was something like Eric Burdon and the Animals but I went through all of those and didn't find one like that. I really thought it was something like the song "When I was Young", the song builds through each verse and pans left to right. ** The song you heard is "Closer to the Truth", the third track on Eric Burdon and the Animals "The Twain Shall Meet" album from 1968. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Q5...BB35&index= 3 Hit singles "Monterey" and "Sky Pilot" are on the same album. The Beatles had astonished the pop music world with Sgt Peppers about a year earlier, I thought this album from the Animals was rather better. ..... Phil |
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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
Phil Allison wrote: wrote:
Last week I heard a song where the male vocal was panned left to right during the verse. Next verse would start again on the left and pan to the right during the verse. Per my memory it was something like Eric Burdon and the Animals but I went through all of those and didn't find one like that. I really thought it was something like the song "When I was Young", the song builds through each verse and pans left to right. ** The song you heard is "Closer to the Truth", the third track on Eric Burdon and the Animals "The Twain Shall Meet" album from 1968. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Q5...BB35&index= 3 Hit singles "Monterey" and "Sky Pilot" are on the same album. The Beatles had astonished the pop music world with Sgt Peppers about a year earlier, I thought this album from the Animals was rather better. ..... Phil " Wow! The panning on that may not be natural, but it's still a cool effect for a captive audience(listening in the car or a room with spread out speakers). Hey at least one of my guesses was for the right band. |
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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-4, wrote:
I need a little help. Last week I heard a song where the male vocal was panned left to right during the verse. Next verse would start again on the left and pan to the right during the verse. Per my memory it was something like Eric Burdon and the Animals but I went through all of those and didn't find one like that. I really thought it was something like the song "When I was Young", the song builds through each verse and pans left to right. It was probably from that era but I'm not 100% sure. Anybody help? thanks Mark Since you are no longer talking to me, allow me to gripe... I liked Rock And Roll Hoochie Koo, by Rick Derrigner. It had a bit of interesting guitar panning. Sadly, on CD (All American Boy album), it sounds poor (missing high end). Should have a nice sounding crisp tambourine, but on CD it doesn't. Besides, sounds like someone ran over the master tape with a bus!! Also, Meat Loaf's, Bat Out Of Hell album - Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad song, across two CD renditions of this album, it lacks bass!! I can repair that though. Someone like KMA Rocks probably thinks these two songs sound marvelous on CD! Jack |
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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
JackA wrote: "Someone like KMA Rocks probably thinks these two songs sound marvelous on CD! "
#1. That's THEKMANROCKS to you, sir. #2. I do not think everything automatically sounds better on CD. CD provides the canvas: flat response, low noise floor, wide dynamic range, stereo separation. What matters above all is what is put on that canvas - the source. The writing, the composition, the performance, the capture, the mixing, and the mastering. Interspersed with all of that is are the choices and placement of microphones, processing choices, quality of digital converters, types of dithering employed, etc. If it is a legacy item(something previously released on LP decades ago), how it sounds on CD depends again upon the SOURCE - original master tape vs safety tape vs mix tapes - plus, is it transferred flat to digital master tape, or is it "futzed" with(EQ or excessive dynamics applied, etc). I own lots of CDs, of albums from 1970 to 2010, which sound boomy and edgy at the same time. Analysis confirms what I heard: Everything from 100Hz up to 5-8kHz was "scooped" out. Or, lots of bottom and top were added to it. Either way, a smiley face EQ was applied to the master for CD that didn't exist on the original vinyl. So I do prefer the LP version in those cases. Some edginess on earlier CDs(pre 1990) might be related to the quality of converters used at that time, and not to EQ or dynamics choices. So no, I do not automatically think "everything sounds better in digital/on CD". It depends upon the source, so I take it case by case, Jack. |
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On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 6:23:26 PM UTC-4, wrote:
JackA wrote: "Someone like KMA Rocks probably thinks these two songs sound marvelous on CD! " #1. That's THEKMANROCKS to you, sir. #2. I do not think everything automatically sounds better on CD. CD provides the canvas: flat response, low noise floor, wide dynamic range, stereo separation. What matters above all is what is put on that canvas - the source. The writing, the composition, the performance, the capture, the mixing, and the mastering. Interspersed with all of that is are the choices and placement of microphones, processing choices, quality of digital converters, types of dithering employed, etc. If it is a legacy item(something previously released on LP decades ago), how it sounds on CD depends again upon the SOURCE - original master tape vs safety tape vs mix tapes - plus, is it transferred flat to digital master tape, or is it "futzed" with(EQ or excessive dynamics applied, etc). I own lots of CDs, of albums from 1970 to 2010, which sound boomy and edgy at the same time. Analysis confirms what I heard: Everything from 100Hz up to 5-8kHz was "scooped" out. Or, lots of bottom and top were added to it. Either way, a smiley face EQ was applied to the master for CD that didn't exist on the original vinyl. So I do prefer the LP version in those cases. Some edginess on earlier CDs(pre 1990) might be related to the quality of converters used at that time, and not to EQ or dynamics choices. So no, I do not automatically think "everything sounds better in digital/on CD". It depends upon the source, so I take it case by case, Jack. Okay, then name ONE CD that you think SOUNDS pretty darn good, and I will purchase, so I can get a better idea of what you like. Please, include at least (1) one US Top 40 hit one whatever CD. Thanks! Jack |
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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:01:30 PM UTC-4, JackA wrote:
On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 6:23:26 PM UTC-4, wrote: JackA wrote: "Someone like KMA Rocks probably thinks these two songs sound marvelous on CD! " #1. That's THEKMANROCKS to you, sir. #2. I do not think everything automatically sounds better on CD. CD provides the canvas: flat response, low noise floor, wide dynamic range, stereo separation. What matters above all is what is put on that canvas - the source. The writing, the composition, the performance, the capture, the mixing, and the mastering. Interspersed with all of that is are the choices and placement of microphones, processing choices, quality of digital converters, types of dithering employed, etc. If it is a legacy item(something previously released on LP decades ago), how it sounds on CD depends again upon the SOURCE - original master tape vs safety tape vs mix tapes - plus, is it transferred flat to digital master tape, or is it "futzed" with(EQ or excessive dynamics applied, etc). I own lots of CDs, of albums from 1970 to 2010, which sound boomy and edgy at the same time. Analysis confirms what I heard: Everything from 100Hz up to 5-8kHz was "scooped" out. Or, lots of bottom and top were added to it. Either way, a smiley face EQ was applied to the master for CD that didn't exist on the original vinyl. So I do prefer the LP version in those cases. Some edginess on earlier CDs(pre 1990) might be related to the quality of converters used at that time, and not to EQ or dynamics choices. So no, I do not automatically think "everything sounds better in digital/on CD". It depends upon the source, so I take it case by case, Jack. Okay, then name ONE CD that you think SOUNDS pretty darn good, and I will purchase, so I can get a better idea of what you like. Please, include at least (1) one US Top 40 hit one whatever CD. Thanks! Jack 5E-507-2 THE CARS/CANDY-O ELECTRA |
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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
On 4/24/2016 5:01 PM, JackA wrote:
Okay, then name ONE CD that you think SOUNDS pretty darn good, and I will purchase, so I can get a better idea of what you like. Please, include at least (1) one US Top 40 hit one whatever CD. Did you have to make it so hard? I think that most of us who support good sounding CDs aren't talking about top 40 charting hits. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then |
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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:50:55 PM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 4/24/2016 5:01 PM, JackA wrote: Okay, then name ONE CD that you think SOUNDS pretty darn good, and I will purchase, so I can get a better idea of what you like. Please, include at least (1) one US Top 40 hit one whatever CD. Did you have to make it so hard? I think that most of us who support good sounding CDs aren't talking about top 40 charting hits. Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then ____ I don't agree that good sounding CDs and top 40 hits are mutually exclusive. One just has to listen. |
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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:36:40 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:01:30 PM UTC-4, JackA wrote: On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 6:23:26 PM UTC-4, wrote: JackA wrote: "Someone like KMA Rocks probably thinks these two songs sound marvelous on CD! " #1. That's THEKMANROCKS to you, sir. #2. I do not think everything automatically sounds better on CD. CD provides the canvas: flat response, low noise floor, wide dynamic range, stereo separation. What matters above all is what is put on that canvas - the source. The writing, the composition, the performance, the capture, the mixing, and the mastering. Interspersed with all of that is are the choices and placement of microphones, processing choices, quality of digital converters, types of dithering employed, etc. If it is a legacy item(something previously released on LP decades ago), how it sounds on CD depends again upon the SOURCE - original master tape vs safety tape vs mix tapes - plus, is it transferred flat to digital master tape, or is it "futzed" with(EQ or excessive dynamics applied, etc). I own lots of CDs, of albums from 1970 to 2010, which sound boomy and edgy at the same time. Analysis confirms what I heard: Everything from 100Hz up to 5-8kHz was "scooped" out. Or, lots of bottom and top were added to it. Either way, a smiley face EQ was applied to the master for CD that didn't exist on the original vinyl. So I do prefer the LP version in those cases. Some edginess on earlier CDs(pre 1990) might be related to the quality of converters used at that time, and not to EQ or dynamics choices. So no, I do not automatically think "everything sounds better in digital/on CD". It depends upon the source, so I take it case by case, Jack. Okay, then name ONE CD that you think SOUNDS pretty darn good, and I will purchase, so I can get a better idea of what you like. Please, include at least (1) one US Top 40 hit one whatever CD. Thanks! Jack 5E-507-2 THE CARS/CANDY-O ELECTRA Thanks. It's Just What I Needed!! Jack |
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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:50:55 PM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 4/24/2016 5:01 PM, JackA wrote: Okay, then name ONE CD that you think SOUNDS pretty darn good, and I will purchase, so I can get a better idea of what you like. Please, include at least (1) one US Top 40 hit one whatever CD. Did you have to make it so hard? I think that most of us who support good sounding CDs aren't talking about top 40 charting hits. Mike, I know where you are coming from. However, I know US Top 40 well enough to gauge remastered quality, that's all. Jack -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then |
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On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:58:15 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:50:55 PM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote: On 4/24/2016 5:01 PM, JackA wrote: Okay, then name ONE CD that you think SOUNDS pretty darn good, and I will purchase, so I can get a better idea of what you like. Please, include at least (1) one US Top 40 hit one whatever CD. Did you have to make it so hard? I think that most of us who support good sounding CDs aren't talking about top 40 charting hits. Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then ____ I don't agree that good sounding CDs and top 40 hits are mutually exclusive. One just has to listen. So, now you are agreeing with me? Jack |
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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:36:40 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:01:30 PM UTC-4, JackA wrote: On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 6:23:26 PM UTC-4, wrote: JackA wrote: "Someone like KMA Rocks probably thinks these two songs sound marvelous on CD! " #1. That's THEKMANROCKS to you, sir. #2. I do not think everything automatically sounds better on CD. CD provides the canvas: flat response, low noise floor, wide dynamic range, stereo separation. What matters above all is what is put on that canvas - the source. The writing, the composition, the performance, the capture, the mixing, and the mastering. Interspersed with all of that is are the choices and placement of microphones, processing choices, quality of digital converters, types of dithering employed, etc. If it is a legacy item(something previously released on LP decades ago), how it sounds on CD depends again upon the SOURCE - original master tape vs safety tape vs mix tapes - plus, is it transferred flat to digital master tape, or is it "futzed" with(EQ or excessive dynamics applied, etc). I own lots of CDs, of albums from 1970 to 2010, which sound boomy and edgy at the same time. Analysis confirms what I heard: Everything from 100Hz up to 5-8kHz was "scooped" out. Or, lots of bottom and top were added to it. Either way, a smiley face EQ was applied to the master for CD that didn't exist on the original vinyl. So I do prefer the LP version in those cases. Some edginess on earlier CDs(pre 1990) might be related to the quality of converters used at that time, and not to EQ or dynamics choices. So no, I do not automatically think "everything sounds better in digital/on CD". It depends upon the source, so I take it case by case, Jack. Okay, then name ONE CD that you think SOUNDS pretty darn good, and I will purchase, so I can get a better idea of what you like. Please, include at least (1) one US Top 40 hit one whatever CD. Thanks! Jack 5E-507-2 THE CARS/CANDY-O ELECTRA Not MFSL's CD album? Jack |
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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:50:55 PM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 4/24/2016 5:01 PM, JackA wrote: Okay, then name ONE CD that you think SOUNDS pretty darn good, and I will purchase, so I can get a better idea of what you like. Please, include at least (1) one US Top 40 hit one whatever CD. Did you have to make it so hard? I think that most of us who support good sounding CDs aren't talking about top 40 charting hits. Like, Jethro Tull. Love his "Living In The Past" song, but even though other recommended the CD for sound, it still sounds like crap (compared to vinyl). Not sure what happened to Tull's multi-tracks and Master tapes, maybe some went up in flames. However, Joe Cocker's "Cry Me A River" (no, not you, Mike), but from day one, first verse sounded ill. Decades later, someone finally remixed it to my expectations. So, yes, remixing will sometimes exceed the best quality "Master". Jack -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then |
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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-4, wrote:
I need a little help. Last week I heard a song where the male vocal was panned left to right during the verse. Next verse would start again on the left and pan to the right during the verse. Per my memory it was something like Eric Burdon and the Animals but I went through all of those and didn't find one like that. I really thought it was something like the song "When I was Young", the song builds through each verse and pans left to right. It was probably from that era but I'm not 100% sure. Anybody help? thanks Mark The [stereo] opening of The Grassroots "Let's Live For Today" pans lead vocals from center to left. HOWEVER, I say, however, this stereo version [below] doesn't. Wonder why? It's because Steve Hoffman remixed it, after criticizing Steven Wilson for remixing!... http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abps...ve42day-rm.mp3 Jack |
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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 5:40:20 PM UTC-4, JackA wrote:
On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-4, wrote: I need a little help. Last week I heard a song where the male vocal was panned left to right during the verse. Next verse would start again on the left and pan to the right during the verse. Per my memory it was something like Eric Burdon and the Animals but I went through all of those and didn't find one like that. I really thought it was something like the song "When I was Young", the song builds through each verse and pans left to right. It was probably from that era but I'm not 100% sure. Anybody help? thanks Mark The [stereo] opening of The Grassroots "Let's Live For Today" pans lead vocals from center to left. YES that's the song! thank you Mark |
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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
On 29 Apr 2016, JackA wrote in
rec.audio.pro: The [stereo] opening of The Grassroots "Let's Live For Today" pans lead vocals from center to left. HOWEVER, I say, however, this stereo version [below] doesn't. Wonder why? It's because Steve Hoffman remixed it, after criticizing Steven Wilson for remixing!... Here he goes again: lying through his teeth, trying to get people to refute his bogus claims and get drawn into a troll thread. Not to mention trying to increase hits on his web site (which is full of copyrighted material, by the way.) What a poisonous insect. |
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On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 6:27:42 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 5:40:20 PM UTC-4, JackA wrote: On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-4, wrote: I need a little help. Last week I heard a song where the male vocal was panned left to right during the verse. Next verse would start again on the left and pan to the right during the verse. Per my memory it was something like Eric Burdon and the Animals but I went through all of those and didn't find one like that. I really thought it was something like the song "When I was Young", the song builds through each verse and pans left to right. It was probably from that era but I'm not 100% sure. Anybody help? thanks Mark The [stereo] opening of The Grassroots "Let's Live For Today" pans lead vocals from center to left. YES that's the song! thank you Mark You are welcome. Actually, that is the longest published version, can be found on past MCA Vintage Music series CD. I boosted the amplitude. Jack |
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Trying to recall a song, the male vocal was panned left to right
On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 6:39:50 PM UTC-4, Nil wrote:
On 29 Apr 2016, JackA wrote in rec.audio.pro: The [stereo] opening of The Grassroots "Let's Live For Today" pans lead vocals from center to left. HOWEVER, I say, however, this stereo version [below] doesn't. Wonder why? It's because Steve Hoffman remixed it, after criticizing Steven Wilson for remixing!... Here he goes again: lying through his teeth I am guessing Steve Hoffman was terminated from MCA because he felt he could do as he wished. The MCA Vintage Music series was supposed to be created from Master tapes, not remixing, that would come later. This is why Steve talks so little about this series. Jack , trying to get people to refute his bogus claims and get drawn into a troll thread. Not to mention trying to increase hits on his web site (which is full of copyrighted material, by the way.) What a poisonous insect. |
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On 29 Apr 2016, JackA wrote in
rec.audio.pro: I am guessing Steve Hoffman was terminated from MCA because he felt he could do as he wished. The MCA Vintage Music series was supposed to be created from Master tapes, not remixing, that would come later. This is why Steve talks so little about this series. More bald-faced lies. The fact is, you were kicked out of the Hoffman forums for exactly the same bull**** you bring here. Ever since you are out to assassinate his character by lying through your teeth. He would be well within his rights to sue you for defamation, but you're such an ineffectual little mosquito I'm sure he wouldn't bother. Hopefully, someone will get you for hosting copyrighted materials on your web site. I'd be glad to help in any way I can. |
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On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 8:57:50 PM UTC-4, Nil wrote:
On 29 Apr 2016, JackA wrote in rec.audio.pro: I am guessing Steve Hoffman was terminated from MCA because he felt he could do as he wished. The MCA Vintage Music series was supposed to be created from Master tapes, not remixing, that would come later. This is why Steve talks so little about this series. More bald-faced lies. The fact is, you were kicked out of the Hoffman forums for exactly the same bull**** you bring here. Ever since you are out to assassinate his character by lying through your teeth. He would be well within his rights to sue you for defamation, but you're such an ineffectual little mosquito I'm sure he wouldn't bother. Hopefully, someone will get you for hosting copyrighted materials on your web site. I'd be glad to help in any way I can. Thank you. Some strange things: Steve Hoffman did a Heart (group) CD compilation (Audio Fidelity). I didn't expect studio talk, but there was faint studio talk heading one song. I amplified it. Oddly, when I purchased Sony's rendition, that same studio talk appeared, but with a different song!! Anyway, I told Steve's "partner", Marshall, I didn't think much of the audio quality. Then, I find a Fleetwoods CD, might be a bootleg. Ron Furmanek did on for EMI. Same thing above occurred, studio talk the same, but different song!! So, someone is fibbing!! You know, I purchased some Japan (only) CD sets. I think (5) CDs, (100 Popular Songs, various artists). You know, they came and went so fast, but I was AMAZED at the price, about $25! You know what that tells me, Nil? Yes, record companies are basically GIVING AWAY this past music. Though, I found some goodies, like the extended version of the song, War, by Edwin Starr! There is one person who is always thanking me about songs on my site. From what I can judge, he can't afford finding all of this, maybe poor, so I help him smile. My goal was to do a deluxe, one of a kind radio show. However, since MP3 r=trading caused thousands of "Oldie" radio shows, people became tired of the same old thing. That's why I offer (sometimes) rare stereo, different Takes, studio talk, unedited versions - basically ANYTHING to make it a bit more interesting to other collectors. But, to tell you the truth, others get upset with me modify sound, and they feel I'm competing with them, when I do it for fun, but takes a long time to get the sound to please me. You can never impress anyone with audio quality until you can impress yourself. It was nice to be contacted by some artists, they gave me inside information, even a Producer or two contacted me. But, Mel Shaw (Canada) had to be the nicest Producer I even met, a wealth of information. Speaking of Shaw, even Sandy Shaw (UK) gave me a nice reply!! Be well. Jack |
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