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Bad sound at the Oscars?
I see people in cyberspace commenting that the sound quality of the Oscar
broadcast is terrible. Is that true? (I don't watch the Oscars myself, but I'm curious to know if they've actually screwed something up--or deliberately messed around with the audio.) |
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On Feb 26, 11:31*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
I see people in cyberspace commenting that the sound quality of the Oscar broadcast is terrible. Is that true? (I don't watch the Oscars myself, but I'm curious to know if they've actually screwed something up--or deliberately messed around with the audio.) I thought it was pretty bad. There was an annoying metallic ringing noise on a lot of the speeches. My wife, who rarely comments on such things, kept wondering what it was. Some facebook friends, none of them audio experts, also brought it up. (I'm not a pro, just a lurker. Curious if anyone here has any guesses what the problem was.) |
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone was fired over it. |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:31:42 -0800, Mxsmanic wrote
(in article ): I see people in cyberspace commenting that the sound quality of the Oscar broadcast is terrible. ------------------------------snip------------------------------ I think Roy Rising elsewhere is correct, and it was a downmix problem, exacerbated by slight acoustic feedback. You know it's bad when even MSN is covering it: "What's up with the Oscar microphone feedback?" http://todayentertainment.today.msnb...0513860-whats- up-with-the-oscar-microphone-feedback A lot of the live reality contest shows use combinations of directional mikes, feedback eliminators, careful EQ, feedback eliminators, and the ubiquitous iZotope RX box in the rack, plus tons of rehearsals and set up. The Kodak theater has got a very weird design -- 3 balconies, lots of vertical speakers in a vast indoor area -- I don't envy anybody who has to mix in an environment like that. --MFW |
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"Marc Wielage" wrote in message .com... On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:31:42 -0800, Mxsmanic wrote (in article ): I see people in cyberspace commenting that the sound quality of the Oscar broadcast is terrible. ------------------------------snip------------------------------ I think Roy Rising elsewhere is correct, and it was a downmix problem, exacerbated by slight acoustic feedback. You know it's bad when even MSN is covering it: "What's up with the Oscar microphone feedback?" http://todayentertainment.today.msnb...0513860-whats- up-with-the-oscar-microphone-feedback A lot of the live reality contest shows use combinations of directional mikes, feedback eliminators, careful EQ, feedback eliminators, and the ubiquitous iZotope RX box in the rack, plus tons of rehearsals and set up. The Kodak theater has got a very weird design -- 3 balconies, lots of vertical speakers in a vast indoor area -- I don't envy anybody who has to mix in an environment like that. --MFW Long ago I worked in Master Control and QC was one of our primary tasks. I see so much bad stuff on the air now that I wonder whether there are humans in the chain anymore. I just find it mind-boggling that this could happen on such a highly watched show. |
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"MG" wrote in message
... "Marc Wielage" wrote in message .com... On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:31:42 -0800, Mxsmanic wrote (in article ): I see people in cyberspace commenting that the sound quality of the Oscar broadcast is terrible. ------------------------------snip------------------------------ I think Roy Rising elsewhere is correct, and it was a downmix problem, exacerbated by slight acoustic feedback. You know it's bad when even MSN is covering it: "What's up with the Oscar microphone feedback?" http://todayentertainment.today.msnb...0513860-whats- up-with-the-oscar-microphone-feedback A lot of the live reality contest shows use combinations of directional mikes, feedback eliminators, careful EQ, feedback eliminators, and the ubiquitous iZotope RX box in the rack, plus tons of rehearsals and set up. The Kodak theater has got a very weird design -- 3 balconies, lots of vertical speakers in a vast indoor area -- I don't envy anybody who has to mix in an environment like that. --MFW Long ago I worked in Master Control and QC was one of our primary tasks. I see so much bad stuff on the air now that I wonder whether there are humans in the chain anymore. I just find it mind-boggling that this could happen on such a highly watched show. Don't you think the problem lies in the fact that there are so many more 'nodes' in the supply chain. When I was chief engineer of both AM and FM radio stations, the only signal processing equipment (level controlling amplifiers/limiters) were between the control rooms and the transmitter. In much larger stations studios fed their signals to master control and then to the transmitter. In that case there are, typically, three people between the microphones and the transmitter. I can't imagine how many opportunities to screw up the signal there are beween the Oscar show and my flat screen. I know that a few years ago I had a chance to visit the local cable operation's down-link and distribution center. I think there were processors on the audio of every cable channel. Could be wrong about that, but I do remember being surprised that there should be any local processing. Steve King |
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"Steve King" wrote in message ... "MG" wrote in message ... "Marc Wielage" wrote in message .com... On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:31:42 -0800, Mxsmanic wrote (in article ): I see people in cyberspace commenting that the sound quality of the Oscar broadcast is terrible. ------------------------------snip------------------------------ I think Roy Rising elsewhere is correct, and it was a downmix problem, exacerbated by slight acoustic feedback. You know it's bad when even MSN is covering it: "What's up with the Oscar microphone feedback?" http://todayentertainment.today.msnb...0513860-whats- up-with-the-oscar-microphone-feedback A lot of the live reality contest shows use combinations of directional mikes, feedback eliminators, careful EQ, feedback eliminators, and the ubiquitous iZotope RX box in the rack, plus tons of rehearsals and set up. The Kodak theater has got a very weird design -- 3 balconies, lots of vertical speakers in a vast indoor area -- I don't envy anybody who has to mix in an environment like that. --MFW Long ago I worked in Master Control and QC was one of our primary tasks. I see so much bad stuff on the air now that I wonder whether there are humans in the chain anymore. I just find it mind-boggling that this could happen on such a highly watched show. Don't you think the problem lies in the fact that there are so many more 'nodes' in the supply chain. When I was chief engineer of both AM and FM radio stations, the only signal processing equipment (level controlling amplifiers/limiters) were between the control rooms and the transmitter. In much larger stations studios fed their signals to master control and then to the transmitter. In that case there are, typically, three people between the microphones and the transmitter. I can't imagine how many opportunities to screw up the signal there are beween the Oscar show and my flat screen. I know that a few years ago I had a chance to visit the local cable operation's down-link and distribution center. I think there were processors on the audio of every cable channel. Could be wrong about that, but I do remember being surprised that there should be any local processing. Steve King There are a myriad of devices in between, lots of ways to do it, and all kinds of places for things to go wrong, but the reality is that live TV events get distributed every day without these issues, so it's puzzling, at least to me, how this could have been left unresolved. This was a very high-profile event, and I'm sure they had been in place for several days. |
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least to me, how this could have been left unresolved. This was a very high-profile event, and I'm sure they had been in place for several days. I missed the show. Oh, woe is me. smirk Is Ed Greene still involved? Once upon a time, Ed did audio for a lot of the major "event" shows from the mid-70s through the 90s, and perhaps beyond. Pretty sure he did the Oscars for a while. There was the Greene-Crow remote truck, which I never saw, but heard it was a wonder. Ed's work usually sounded fabulous (in a few seconds you could typically pick out a show he'd mixed before seeing the credits). It even sounded good on the crappy tv speakers of the day (not that they've gotten appreciably better). Back when I had a meager expense account at Quad-8, Ed and I had lunch during the 1982 AES in LA and I asked him how the hell he got such fabulous sound on these shows. He just gave a sly grin and said, "well, I do those shows like I was doing a record, and try to make it sound like music." What a concept! (Though of course there were countless layers of skill and aesthetics that Ed brought to the table, er, desk.) Although, with the loudness wars, maybe these days "making it sound like a record" isn't the best idea... Frank Mobile Audio -- |
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"Frank Stearns" wrote in message
... Although, with the loudness wars, maybe these days "making it sound like a record" isn't the best idea... as long as it is not "cd quality" or "digitally remastered for your listening pleasure" ... O;-) ... like a record to me implies like one of those black 12" thingies that should be worse but some of the time are a lot better than the CD. Frank Mobile Audio Kind regards Peter Larsen -- . |
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Bad sound at the Oscars?
"stereo was full of a flanging
type sound on all the mics" Confirmed. But I didn't notice it the whole time, just at points. (I'm not paying attention to audio quality when I watch the Oscars and listen on our crappy TV speakers; it has to really jump out for me to be concerned.) The voice on the singer during the "dead package" was hard to pick out too. Too far back and too much room on it. I'm not sure why, but that seems to happen a lot with live music on TV. They're probably listening on monitors that are too good. |
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MG wrote:
Long ago I worked in Master Control and QC was one of our primary tasks. I see so much bad stuff on the air now that I wonder whether there are humans in the chain anymore. I just find it mind-boggling that this could happen on such a highly watched show. Is there anyone AT master control anymore? There certainly isn't at the local affiliates.... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Bad sound at the Oscars?
Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote: Long ago I worked in Master Control and QC was one of our primary tasks. I see so much bad stuff on the air now that I wonder whether there are humans in the chain anymore. I just find it mind-boggling that this could happen on such a highly watched show. Is there anyone AT master control anymore? There certainly isn't at the local affiliates.... --scott I saw "the King's Speech" recently, and all the nattily dressed engineers in front of immaculate racks of radio equipment ( which was probably CGI ) might have been the best part of the movie. -- Les Cargill |
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Bad sound at the Oscars?
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:48:05 -0800, Frank Stearns wrote
(in article ): Is Ed Greene still involved? Once upon a time, Ed did audio for a lot of the major "event" shows from the mid-70s through the 90s, and perhaps beyond. Pretty sure he did the Oscars for a while. There was the Greene-Crow remote truck, which I never saw, but heard it was a wonder. ------------------------------snip------------------------------ Ed was (and still is!) a prince. I honestly had thought he retired, but damned if his name isn't on the current episodes of AMERICAN IDOL. And the show sounds extremely good, week after week. I have to say, I never heard live sound problems like this in any of Ed's work. --MFW |
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Bad sound at the Oscars?
"Too much room" sounds like a hyper-compression issue to me - some thing that happened to the sound AFTER it left Ed's truck/domain.
-ChrisCoaster |
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Bad sound at the Oscars?
I'm thinking about just finding an older analog TV the ones with knobs to change the channel, setting it to channel 3 and just blasting the pink static noise while watching my main TV. Couldnt sound much worse and no less dynamic range than broadcast signal. LMFAO!
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