[macandal]

Say you have a concert on DVD of a band you like and you would like to
extract the concert to listen to the music only (as a lossless music
file, be that FLAC/SHN/Apple Lossless/AIFF/WAV--take your pick), could
you do it? Is this possible? If so, how do you do this? Thanks. (I
use a mac and Toast generally to burn music or convert music into
different formats.)

I'm not a techie so the simpler the better, however, I wouldn't want
to skim on the quality of the file.

[Geoff]

macandal wrote:
Say you have a concert on DVD of a band you like and you would like to
extract the concert to listen to the music only (as a lossless music
file, be that FLAC/SHN/Apple Lossless/AIFF/WAV--take your pick), could
you do it? Is this possible? If so, how do you do this? Thanks. (I
use a mac and Toast generally to burn music or convert music into
different formats.)

I'm not a techie so the simpler the better, however, I wouldn't want
to skim on the quality of the file.

If you don't want to skimp on the audio quality, extract as 24/48(or44k1)/s
wav.

http://www.imtoo.com/dvd-audio-ripper.html works well.

geoff

[Mr.T]

"Geoff" wrote in message
...
If you don't want to skimp on the audio quality, extract as
24/48(or44k1)/s
wav.

In fact you can do no better than to extract whatever format the disk is
already encoded in.
If you then need to convert formats, that's another issue entirely.

MrT.

[macandal]

On Apr 10, 7:16 pm, "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:

In fact you can do no better than to extract whatever format the disk is
already encoded in.
If you then need to convert formats, that's another issue entirely.

MrT.

But, remember, I have a DVD from which I only want the music so I
cannot extract it in the same format the disc is in. If this were a
regular DVD, I agree with you, I would extract it as an AIFF and keep
the quality intact. So, how do I do it?

[Richard Crowley]

"macandal" wrote ...
"Mr.T" wrote:
In fact you can do no better than to extract whatever
format the disk is already encoded in.
If you then need to convert formats, that's another issue entirely.


But, remember, I have a DVD from which I only want the music so I
cannot extract it in the same format the disc is in. If this were a
regular DVD, I agree with you, I would extract it as an AIFF and keep
the quality intact. So, how do I do it?

www.videohelp.com features extensive listings of software
and procedures available to rip/convert from practically
anything to anything else. However, reflecting the market
conditions, it mostly shows applications and procedures for
PC users. Might also have Mac-oriented solutions??

[Neil Green]

"macandal" wrote in message
ps.com...
Say you have a concert on DVD of a band you like and
you would like to
extract the concert to listen to the music only (as
a lossless music
file, be that FLAC/SHN/Apple Lossless/AIFF/WAV--take
your pick), could
you do it? Is this possible? If so, how do you do
this? Thanks. (I
use a mac and Toast generally to burn music or
convert music into
different formats.)

I'm not a techie so the simpler the better, however,
I wouldn't want
to skim on the quality of the file.

The most common format for audio on DVD is AC3, with
varying sample rates.
The most common seems to be 192kbps.
If you want CD quality sound you'd be better trying to
find an audio CD (or CD's) of the concert.

[Mr.T]

"macandal" wrote in message
ups.com...
In fact you can do no better than to extract whatever format the disk is
already encoded in.
If you then need to convert formats, that's another issue entirely.

But, remember, I have a DVD from which I only want the music so I
cannot extract it in the same format the disc is in.

Sure you can. Do you even know what it is?

If this were a regular DVD, I agree with you, I would extract it as an AIFF
and keep
the quality intact.

As I said, the "quality" depends on what audio format the disk uses in the
first place. If it has PCM audio then there is no problem. Many have AAC
only.

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Neil Green" wrote in message
...
The most common format for audio on DVD is AC3, with
varying sample rates.
The most common seems to be 192kbps.
If you want CD quality sound you'd be better trying to
find an audio CD (or CD's) of the concert.

Fortunately some music DVD's do provide a stereo PCM alternative, but if
it's going to end up on a ipod then it hardly matters anyway :-)

MrT.

[Don Pearce]

On 10 Apr 2007 21:54:03 -0700, "macandal" wrote:

On Apr 10, 7:16 pm, "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:

In fact you can do no better than to extract whatever format the disk is
already encoded in.
If you then need to convert formats, that's another issue entirely.

MrT.

But, remember, I have a DVD from which I only want the music so I
cannot extract it in the same format the disc is in. If this were a
regular DVD, I agree with you, I would extract it as an AIFF and keep
the quality intact. So, how do I do it?

Just plug the audio output into a sound card. I know that intuitively
this sounds like a route to reduced quality, but I guarantee you will
be unable to hear the slightest difference between the original and
the recording.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Mr.T]

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
Just plug the audio output into a sound card. I know that intuitively
this sounds like a route to reduced quality, but I guarantee you will
be unable to hear the slightest difference between the original and
the recording.

Even *IF* you could guarantee his hearing ability, his sound card
performance and his DVD player performance, why would anyone bother doing it
that way!

MrT.

[Don Pearce]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:40:10 +1000, "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
Just plug the audio output into a sound card. I know that intuitively
this sounds like a route to reduced quality, but I guarantee you will
be unable to hear the slightest difference between the original and
the recording.

Even *IF* you could guarantee his hearing ability, his sound card
performance and his DVD player performance, why would anyone bother doing it
that way!

MrT.


Because he is clearly having problems doing it any other way.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Laurence Payne]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:40:10 +1000, "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:

Just plug the audio output into a sound card. I know that intuitively
this sounds like a route to reduced quality, but I guarantee you will
be unable to hear the slightest difference between the original and
the recording.

Even *IF* you could guarantee his hearing ability, his sound card
performance and his DVD player performance, why would anyone bother doing it
that way!

Because it can be tricky to rip audio off a commercial video DVD, and
often that's the easiest way.

[Arny Krueger]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
Just plug the audio output into a sound card. I know
that intuitively this sounds like a route to reduced
quality, but I guarantee you will be unable to hear the
slightest difference between the original and the
recording.

Even *IF* you could guarantee his hearing ability, his
sound card performance and his DVD player performance,
why would anyone bother doing it that way!

Agreed.

Advantage, but - conceptually stone simple except that most DVD players need
a display to work, but this tends to lead down the ground loop path to hum
in the audio.

Disadvantages - has to happen in real time, and gives worst possible results
because you pass the signal through the audio section of the DVD player
(usually pretty good) and your audio recorder.

I've done most of my extraction of audio tracks from DVDs by ripping the
audio and video with Premiere Elements, and exporting the audio from it.
This can run into problems when there is more than one audio track - PE
picks the track for you, and you may not like its choice. I then learned
about DVDShrink which lets you choose which audio track you pick to rip. But
it still extracts A/V, not just the audio.

I hope that any of the audio ripping software alternatives let you pick the
audio track. I note that many don't handle every possible kind of audio
track - namely SACD, DVD-A, and the old 96/24 PCM tracks. I don't believe
there is any SACD ripping software, nor is any possible at this time.

[Arny Krueger]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message

"Neil Green" wrote in
message
...
The most common format for audio on DVD is AC3, with
varying sample rates.
The most common seems to be 192kbps.
If you want CD quality sound you'd be better trying to
find an audio CD (or CD's) of the concert.

Fortunately some music DVD's do provide a stereo PCM
alternative, but if it's going to end up on a ipod then
it hardly matters anyway :-)

Actually, iPods playing .wav files are just fine.

[Neil Green]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
Just plug the audio output into a sound card. I
know
that intuitively this sounds like a route to
reduced
quality, but I guarantee you will be unable to
hear the
slightest difference between the original and the
recording.

Even *IF* you could guarantee his hearing ability,
his
sound card performance and his DVD player
performance,
why would anyone bother doing it that way!

Agreed.

Advantage, but - conceptually stone simple except
that most DVD players need a display to work, but
this tends to lead down the ground loop path to hum
in the audio.

Disadvantages - has to happen in real time, and
gives worst possible results because you pass the
signal through the audio section of the DVD player
(usually pretty good) and your audio recorder.

I've done most of my extraction of audio tracks from
DVDs by ripping the audio and video with Premiere
Elements, and exporting the audio from it. This can
run into problems when there is more than one audio
track - PE picks the track for you, and you may not
like its choice. I then learned about DVDShrink
which lets you choose which audio track you pick to
rip. But it still extracts A/V, not just the audio.

I hope that any of the audio ripping software
alternatives let you pick the audio track. I note
that many don't handle every possible kind of audio
track - namely SACD, DVD-A, and the old 96/24 PCM
tracks. I don't believe there is any SACD ripping
software, nor is any possible at this time.

You can rip audio only with DVD Decrypter.
Freeware.

[Arny Krueger]

"Neil Green" wrote in
message u
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
Just plug the audio output into a sound card. I
know
that intuitively this sounds like a route to
reduced
quality, but I guarantee you will be unable to
hear the
slightest difference between the original and the
recording.

Even *IF* you could guarantee his hearing ability,
his
sound card performance and his DVD player
performance,
why would anyone bother doing it that way!

Agreed.

Advantage, but - conceptually stone simple except
that most DVD players need a display to work, but
this tends to lead down the ground loop path to hum
in the audio.

Disadvantages - has to happen in real time, and
gives worst possible results because you pass the
signal through the audio section of the DVD player
(usually pretty good) and your audio recorder.

I've done most of my extraction of audio tracks from
DVDs by ripping the audio and video with Premiere
Elements, and exporting the audio from it. This can
run into problems when there is more than one audio
track - PE picks the track for you, and you may not
like its choice. I then learned about DVDShrink
which lets you choose which audio track you pick to
rip. But it still extracts A/V, not just the audio.

I hope that any of the audio ripping software
alternatives let you pick the audio track. I note
that many don't handle every possible kind of audio
track - namely SACD, DVD-A, and the old 96/24 PCM
tracks. I don't believe there is any SACD ripping
software, nor is any possible at this time.

You can rip audio only with DVD Decrypter.
Freeware.

Which audio track formats does DVD Decrypter handle?

PCM 44 stereo
PCM 48 stereo
AC3 stereo
AC3 5.1
PCM 24/96 stereo
DVD-A 44 stereo
DVD-A 48 stereo
DVD-A 24/96 stereo
DVD-A 24/96 5.1
DVD-A 24/192 stereo
DVD-A 24/192 5.1
SACD DSD Stereo
SACD DSD 5.1
Alternate languages

[Mr.T]

"Laurence Payne" lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote in message
...
Just plug the audio output into a sound card. I know that intuitively
this sounds like a route to reduced quality, but I guarantee you will
be unable to hear the slightest difference between the original and
the recording.

Even *IF* you could guarantee his hearing ability, his sound card
performance and his DVD player performance, why would anyone bother doing
it
that way!

Because it can be tricky to rip audio off a commercial video DVD, and
often that's the easiest way.

If you think so, I sure don't care.

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
I hope that any of the audio ripping software alternatives let you pick
the
audio track.

The ones I use sure do.

I note that many don't handle every possible kind of audio
track - namely SACD, DVD-A, and the old 96/24 PCM tracks. I don't believe
there is any SACD ripping software, nor is any possible at this time.

But the OP said DVD, *not* DVD-A or SACD.

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
Fortunately some music DVD's do provide a stereo PCM
alternative, but if it's going to end up on a ipod then
it hardly matters anyway :-)

Actually, iPods playing .wav files are just fine.

Yes, and you can plug an ipod into a proper stereo sound system too, I
realise that.
It's not what I meant though, and not why I added the smiley. Maybe you
missed it.

MrT.

[Arny Krueger]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
u
"Laurence Payne" lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote
in message
...
Just plug the audio output into a sound card. I know
that intuitively this sounds like a route to reduced
quality, but I guarantee you will be unable to hear
the slightest difference between the original and the
recording.

Even *IF* you could guarantee his hearing ability, his
sound card performance and his DVD player performance,
why would anyone bother doing it that way!

Because it can be tricky to rip audio off a commercial
video DVD, and often that's the easiest way.

If you think so, I sure don't care.

What ripping software do you recommend?

[macandal]

On Apr 10, 1:52 pm, "macandal" wrote:
Ok. After reading these posts (and others at a different forum I
posted in) I decided to do a "trial run." I used Audio Hijack (http://
www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijack/) and I extracted audio from a dvd.
To test the quality, I tried it with a DVD concert that also comes
with an (also official) CD release of the same concert (Bruce
Springsteen's Hammersmith concert). Now, Hijack did the job, it
extracted audio from a dvd as an AIFF (from there you can go
anywhere). It sounds good! But then I compared the extracted audio
to the one from the original CD and the one from the music CD sounds
louder. I know that louder doesn't necessarily mean better but is
there a reason why this happened? I am not an audiophile and had
there not been an audio CD to compare to I would've been happy but now
I'm thinking I did something wrong or I didn't do enough to extract
the best possible audio from a DVD. I didn't play with the controls
and extracted as is, with the automatic settings. Is there a reason
for the difference in "sound"? Is it because I used the free version
of Hijack? I don't mind paying the $16 for the full version
especially if it is good. I usually donate to freeware programs if
I'm satisfied with them so that's not a problem. Can someone help?
Thanks. (Oh, one drawback, as far as I can tell, you have to extract
it in real time--which, to me, is not such a big deal although being
able to do it another way would be nice.)

[macandal]

On Apr 11, 2:24 am, "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:
"Neil Green" wrote in message

...

The most common format for audio on DVD is AC3, with
varying sample rates.
The most common seems to be 192kbps.
If you want CD quality sound you'd be better trying to
find an audio CD (or CD's) of the concert.

Fortunately some music DVD's do provide a stereo PCM alternative, but if
it's going to end up on a ipod then it hardly matters anyway :-)

MrT.

Well I never said I wanted it necessarily for an iPod. I said I
wanted to extract the audio from the DVD as a lossless file so I can
do as I wish with it from there (make a CD, convert to mp3, etc).

[Steven Sullivan]

Arny Krueger wrote:

Which audio track formats does DVD Decrypter handle?

PCM 44 stereo
PCM 48 stereo
AC3 stereo
AC3 5.1
PCM 24/96 stereo

Yes (though not totally sure about PCM 24/96). In IFO mode DVD Decrypter has a "PCM to Wav"
output option.

DVD-A 44 stereo
DVD-A 48 stereo
DVD-A 24/96 stereo
DVD-A 24/96 5.1
DVD-A 24/192 stereo
DVD-A 24/192 5.1

AFAIK DVD Decrypter does not decrypt/rip the DVD-A directories of a DVD-A. It can do so with
the DVD-V files. For DVD-A, there is a set of tools that can be used to go from DVD-A to
stored .wav...some of which can be substituted with other tools, some of which cannot. One
PC-based strategy looks like this (some details omitted):

1) dvdaripper + WinDVD6 - unecrypted AOBs/VOBs
2) UltraISO - non-ecrypted DVD-Audio Image (ISO); can then mount the image with
virtual drive software (Daemon Tools)
3) ppcmripper + WinDVD6 - wavs (stereo or surround)
4) (surround only) Foobar2000 ver0.91 to combine the wav files and generate a cuesheet
5) Wavpack 4.31/FLAC etc. to compress the single wav file


SACD DSD Stereo
SACD DSD 5.1

No

Alternate languages

Yes



___
-S
"As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy,
metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason

[Neil Green]

"macandal" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Apr 10, 1:52 pm, "macandal"
wrote:
Ok. After reading these posts (and others at a
different forum I
posted in) I decided to do a "trial run." I used
Audio Hijack (http://
www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijack/) and I extracted
audio from a dvd.
To test the quality, I tried it with a DVD concert
that also comes
with an (also official) CD release of the same
concert (Bruce
Springsteen's Hammersmith concert). Now, Hijack did
the job, it
extracted audio from a dvd as an AIFF (from there
you can go
anywhere). It sounds good! But then I compared the
extracted audio
to the one from the original CD and the one from the
music CD sounds
louder. I know that louder doesn't necessarily mean
better but is
there a reason why this happened? I am not an
audiophile and had
there not been an audio CD to compare to I would've
been happy but now
I'm thinking I did something wrong or I didn't do
enough to extract
the best possible audio from a DVD. I didn't play
with the controls
and extracted as is, with the automatic settings.
Is there a reason
for the difference in "sound"? Is it because I used
the free version
of Hijack? I don't mind paying the $16 for the full
version
especially if it is good. I usually donate to
freeware programs if
I'm satisfied with them so that's not a problem.
Can someone help?
Thanks. (Oh, one drawback, as far as I can tell,
you have to extract
it in real time--which, to me, is not such a big
deal although being
able to do it another way would be nice.)

Read above, and download DVD Decrypter, freeware.
There's a handy guide to using it he
http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dvddec.htm
Your CD version of the same concert is almost
certainly a higher bitrate and therefore quality than
the audio ripped from DVD, whether you're happy with
it is your call.

[Neil Green]

"Neil Green" wrote in
message
...

"macandal" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Apr 10, 1:52 pm, "macandal"
wrote:
Ok. After reading these posts (and others at a
different forum I
posted in) I decided to do a "trial run." I used
Audio Hijack (http://
www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijack/) and I extracted
audio from a dvd.
To test the quality, I tried it with a DVD concert
that also comes
with an (also official) CD release of the same
concert (Bruce
Springsteen's Hammersmith concert). Now, Hijack
did the job, it
extracted audio from a dvd as an AIFF (from there
you can go
anywhere). It sounds good! But then I compared
the extracted audio
to the one from the original CD and the one from
the music CD sounds
louder. I know that louder doesn't necessarily
mean better but is
there a reason why this happened? I am not an
audiophile and had
there not been an audio CD to compare to I would've
been happy but now
I'm thinking I did something wrong or I didn't do
enough to extract
the best possible audio from a DVD. I didn't play
with the controls
and extracted as is, with the automatic settings.
Is there a reason
for the difference in "sound"? Is it because I
used the free version
of Hijack? I don't mind paying the $16 for the
full version
especially if it is good. I usually donate to
freeware programs if
I'm satisfied with them so that's not a problem.
Can someone help?
Thanks. (Oh, one drawback, as far as I can tell,
you have to extract
it in real time--which, to me, is not such a big
deal although being
able to do it another way would be nice.)

Read above, and download DVD Decrypter, freeware.
There's a handy guide to using it he
http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dvddec.htm
Your CD version of the same concert is almost
certainly a higher bitrate and therefore quality
than the audio ripped from DVD, whether you're happy
with it is your call.

Sorry, not sure about a Mac.

[Geoff]

Neil Green wrote:
..

The most common format for audio on DVD is AC3, with
varying sample rates.
The most common seems to be 192kbps.
If you want CD quality sound you'd be better trying to
find an audio CD (or CD's) of the concert.\

Most (all ?) music concert DVDs I have, have stereo LPCM tracks plus AC3,
some exclusively LPCM.

geoff

[Robert Orban]

In article . com,
says...


On Apr 10, 1:52 pm, "macandal" wrote:
Ok. After reading these posts (and others at a different forum I
posted in) I decided to do a "trial run." I used Audio Hijack (http://
www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijack/) and I extracted audio from a dvd.
To test the quality, I tried it with a DVD concert that also comes
with an (also official) CD release of the same concert (Bruce
Springsteen's Hammersmith concert). Now, Hijack did the job, it
extracted audio from a dvd as an AIFF (from there you can go
anywhere). It sounds good! But then I compared the extracted audio
to the one from the original CD and the one from the music CD sounds
louder. I know that louder doesn't necessarily mean better but is
there a reason why this happened?

Probably the CD was hammered by "hypercompression" (a virulent disease,
caught from ignorant "louder is better" label A&R people, infecting the
CD mastering community) while the dynamic range on the DVD audio track
was more representative of the actual mix because it was not ruined in
mastering.

[Mr.T]

"Robert Orban" wrote in message
...
On Apr 10, 1:52 pm, "macandal" wrote:
Ok. After reading these posts (and others at a different forum I
posted in) I decided to do a "trial run." I used Audio Hijack (http://
www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijack/) and I extracted audio from a dvd.
To test the quality, I tried it with a DVD concert that also comes
with an (also official) CD release of the same concert (Bruce
Springsteen's Hammersmith concert). Now, Hijack did the job, it
extracted audio from a dvd as an AIFF (from there you can go
anywhere). It sounds good! But then I compared the extracted audio
to the one from the original CD and the one from the music CD sounds
louder. I know that louder doesn't necessarily mean better but is
there a reason why this happened?

Yes, the DVD peak level was set below the maximum. (most DVD's are)
You can use a sound editor to "normalise" the audio file to Dfs, or any
other value you choose.


Probably the CD was hammered by "hypercompression" (a virulent disease,
caught from ignorant "louder is better" label A&R people, infecting the
CD mastering community) while the dynamic range on the DVD audio track
was more representative of the actual mix because it was not ruined in
mastering.

Doubtful unfortunately. I find most DVD's simply have the audio peaks set
well below Dfs, unlike CD's which are nearly always normalised to (or very
close to) Dfs.
Both probably use similar compression, but unless the DVD has a PCM
soundtrack option, then the CD is likely to be the better quality, but there
is no guarantee one way or the other.

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"macandal" wrote in message
oups.com...
Fortunately some music DVD's do provide a stereo PCM alternative, but if
it's going to end up on a ipod then it hardly matters anyway :-)

Well I never said I wanted it necessarily for an iPod.

And I never said you did, I only stated *IF* it was.

I said I
wanted to extract the audio from the DVD as a lossless file so I can
do as I wish with it from there (make a CD, convert to mp3, etc).

And I simply pointed out that the original disk *may* be uncompressed PCM,
or it may be compressed already. Simply uncompressing AAC,MP3 etc. to a
PCM/AIFF file dos *NOT* increase the sound quality, but may be necessary for
format conversion. (which can only REDUCE quality even further if it is
recompressed)

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

What ripping software do you recommend?

I can't say I've tried many since DVD Decrypter and DVD Audio Extractor do
all I need so far.
There may be better alternatives, but not analog copying IMO.

MrT.

[Arny Krueger]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

What ripping software do you recommend?

I can't say I've tried many since DVD Decrypter and DVD
Audio Extractor do all I need so far.

That's a good answer.

There may be better alternatives, but not analog copying
IMO.

I've been down the analog copying road, and yes, it has a lot of
disadvantages. I abandoned it as soon as I had a digital-domain alternative.