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Digital vs. Analog; the word from Danish Pro Audio
Soundhaspriority wrote: DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are one of the top microphone makers in the world. They give their opinion in the digital versus analog debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then "Microphone University" and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote: "When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market, they set themselves some very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades after the introduction of digital audio technology, analog electronics is still superior with regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. " So one one side, we have DPA. Representing the digital camp, we have the esteemed choir recordist from Grosse Point, MI, who has had the high honor of an all-expenses paid trip to NYC, where he was toasted, wined, and dined by the audiophile community at the NY Hifi show. Who would you bet on? I didn't know you were doing analog recordings and mixes Bob. Isn't that a lot more gear to stuff into your backpack on the subway? ScottW |
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Digital vs. Analog; the word from Danish Pro Audio
Soundhaspriority wrote: "ScottW" wrote in message ups.com... Soundhaspriority wrote: DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are one of the top microphone makers in the world. They give their opinion in the digital versus analog debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then "Microphone University" and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote: "When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market, they set themselves some very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades after the introduction of digital audio technology, analog electronics is still superior with regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. " So one one side, we have DPA. Representing the digital camp, we have the esteemed choir recordist from Grosse Point, MI, who has had the high honor of an all-expenses paid trip to NYC, where he was toasted, wined, and dined by the audiophile community at the NY Hifi show. Who would you bet on? I didn't know you were doing analog recordings and mixes Bob. Isn't that a lot more gear to stuff into your backpack on the subway? ScottW I use an ATR-100 mounted on a hand truck. So with only 2 tracks you're mixing on site? What board do you lug around? ScottW |
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Digital vs. Analog; the word from Danish Pro Audio
Soundhaspriority wrote: "ScottW" wrote in message ups.com... Soundhaspriority wrote: "ScottW" wrote in message ups.com... Soundhaspriority wrote: DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are one of the top microphone makers in the world. They give their opinion in the digital versus analog debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then "Microphone University" and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote: "When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market, they set themselves some very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades after the introduction of digital audio technology, analog electronics is still superior with regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. " So one one side, we have DPA. Representing the digital camp, we have the esteemed choir recordist from Grosse Point, MI, who has had the high honor of an all-expenses paid trip to NYC, where he was toasted, wined, and dined by the audiophile community at the NY Hifi show. Who would you bet on? I didn't know you were doing analog recordings and mixes Bob. Isn't that a lot more gear to stuff into your backpack on the subway? ScottW I use an ATR-100 mounted on a hand truck. So with only 2 tracks you're mixing on site? What board do you lug around? ScottW Spirit Folio Rackpack., jammed into my shopping cart. Way to meld your true hearts aspirations, vagabond + recording engineer. ScottW |
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Digital vs. Analog; the word from Danish Pro Audio
Soundhaspriority wrote: DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are one of the top microphone makers in the world. They give their opinion in the digital versus analog debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then "Microphone University" and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote: "When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market, they set themselves some very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades after the introduction of digital audio technology, analog electronics is still superior with regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. " I followed the path to Microphone Technology Guide, but I failed to find this quotation. Exactly where is it hiding? Thanks, Norm Strong |
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Digital vs. Analog; the word from Danish Pro Audio
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Soundhaspriority wrote: DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are one of the top microphone makers in the world. They give their opinion in the digital versus analog debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then "Microphone University" and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote: "When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market, they set themselves some very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades after the introduction of digital audio technology, analog electronics is still superior with regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. " I followed the path to Microphone Technology Guide, but I failed to find this quotation. Exactly where is it hiding? http://www.dpamicrophones.com/page.php?PID=34 The justification follows: "The dynamic problems in both the digital and the analog domain originate from the power supply. There is a tendency in the digital domain to stick to low supply voltages below 5V and try to expand the dynamic range by decreasing the self noise of the electronic components, whereas the analog domain has no limits on supply voltages and can easily obtain dynamic ranges of more than 120dB." The idea that dynamic range can be extended indefinately by raising voltages breaks down as soon as one introduces active devices, whether tubed or solid state. IOW in the context of microphone cartridges that never have to be attached to real-world active devices in the mind of the writer, and considering only digital devices that are limited to operation with 5 volts or less, the analog domain has superior dynamic range to digital. |
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Digital vs. Analog; the word from Danish Pro Audio
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. wrote in message Soundhaspriority wrote: DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are one of the top microphone makers in the world. They give their opinion in the digital versus analog debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then "Microphone University" and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote: "When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market, they set themselves some very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades after the introduction of digital audio technology, analog electronics is still superior with regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. " I followed the path to Microphone Technology Guide, but I failed to find this quotation. Exactly where is it hiding? http://www.dpamicrophones.com/page.php?PID=34 The justification follows: "The dynamic problems in both the digital and the analog domain originate from the power supply. There is a tendency in the digital domain to stick to low supply voltages below 5V and try to expand the dynamic range by decreasing the self noise of the electronic components, whereas the analog domain has no limits on supply voltages and can easily obtain dynamic ranges of more than 120dB." The idea that dynamic range can be extended indefinately by raising voltages breaks down as soon as one introduces active devices, whether tubed or solid state. IOW in the context of microphone cartridges that never have to be attached to real-world active devices in the mind of the writer, and considering only digital devices that are limited to operation with 5 volts or less, the analog domain has superior dynamic range to digital. Aha. Now I understand. The superiority of the analog domain over the digital refers to the fact that digital devices frequently operate from 5 volts. It's an issue of dynamic range--not quality. If your power supply is limited to 5v, there will be sacrifices that don't have to be made if 130v is available. This is a far cry from the insinuation that analog is inherently better than digital. Thanks for the input, Arny, Norm |
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Digital vs. Analog; the word from Danish Pro Audio
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. wrote in message Soundhaspriority wrote: DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are one of the top microphone makers in the world. They give their opinion in the digital versus analog debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then "Microphone University" and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote: "When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market, they set themselves some very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades after the introduction of digital audio technology, analog electronics is still superior with regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. " I followed the path to Microphone Technology Guide, but I failed to find this quotation. Exactly where is it hiding? http://www.dpamicrophones.com/page.php?PID=34 The justification follows: "The dynamic problems in both the digital and the analog domain originate from the power supply. There is a tendency in the digital domain to stick to low supply voltages below 5V and try to expand the dynamic range by decreasing the self noise of the electronic components, whereas the analog domain has no limits on supply voltages and can easily obtain dynamic ranges of more than 120dB." The idea that dynamic range can be extended indefinately by raising voltages breaks down as soon as one introduces active devices, whether tubed or solid state. IOW in the context of microphone cartridges that never have to be attached to real-world active devices in the mind of the writer, and considering only digital devices that are limited to operation with 5 volts or less, the analog domain has superior dynamic range to digital. Aha. Now I understand. The superiority of the analog domain over the digital refers to the fact that digital devices frequently operate from 5 volts. It's an issue of dynamic range--not quality. If your power supply is limited to 5v, there will be sacrifices that don't have to be made if 130v is available. This is a far cry from the insinuation that analog is inherently better than digital. Thanks for the input, Arny, AFAIK one does not simply raise the supply voltage of an amplifier to say 180 volts from 36 volts (+/- 18) and instantly and without offsetting losses of some kind immediately pick up corresponding amounts of dynamic range, at least when active devices are involved. |
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Digital vs. Analog; the word from Danish Pro Audio
Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. wrote in message Soundhaspriority wrote: DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are one of the top microphone makers in the world. They give their opinion in the digital versus analog debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then "Microphone University" and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote: "When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market, they set themselves some very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades after the introduction of digital audio technology, analog electronics is still superior with regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. " I followed the path to Microphone Technology Guide, but I failed to find this quotation. Exactly where is it hiding? http://www.dpamicrophones.com/page.php?PID=34 The justification follows: "The dynamic problems in both the digital and the analog domain originate from the power supply. There is a tendency in the digital domain to stick to low supply voltages below 5V and try to expand the dynamic range by decreasing the self noise of the electronic components, whereas the analog domain has no limits on supply voltages and can easily obtain dynamic ranges of more than 120dB." The idea that dynamic range can be extended indefinately by raising voltages breaks down as soon as one introduces active devices, whether tubed or solid state. IOW in the context of microphone cartridges that never have to be attached to real-world active devices in the mind of the writer, and considering only digital devices that are limited to operation with 5 volts or less, the analog domain has superior dynamic range to digital. Aha. Now I understand. The superiority of the analog domain over the digital refers to the fact that digital devices frequently operate from 5 volts. It's an issue of dynamic range--not quality. If your power supply is limited to 5v, there will be sacrifices that don't have to be made if 130v is available. This is a far cry from the insinuation that analog is inherently better than digital. Thanks for the input, Arny, AFAIK one does not simply raise the supply voltage of an amplifier to say 180 volts from 36 volts (+/- 18) and instantly and without offsetting losses of some kind immediately pick up corresponding amounts of dynamic range, at least when active devices are involved. How does one establish the audible noise floor of an amp? If it remains below audible threshold....would measurable offsetting losses matter? ScottW |
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