[ScottW]

Soundhaspriority wrote:
DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are one of the top microphone
makers in the world. They give their opinion in the digital versus analog
debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then "Microphone University"
and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote:

"When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market, they set themselves some
very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades after the introduction
of digital audio technology, analog electronics is still superior with
regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. "

So one one side, we have DPA. Representing the digital camp, we have the
esteemed choir recordist from Grosse Point, MI, who has had the high honor
of an all-expenses paid trip to NYC, where he was toasted, wined, and dined
by the audiophile community at the NY Hifi show.

Who would you bet on?

I didn't know you were doing analog recordings and mixes Bob. Isn't
that a lot more gear to stuff into your backpack on the subway?

ScottW

[ScottW]

Soundhaspriority wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message
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Soundhaspriority wrote:
DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are one of the top
microphone
makers in the world. They give their opinion in the digital versus analog
debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then "Microphone University"
and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote:

"When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market, they set themselves some
very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades after the introduction
of digital audio technology, analog electronics is still superior with
regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. "

So one one side, we have DPA. Representing the digital camp, we have the
esteemed choir recordist from Grosse Point, MI, who has had the high honor
of an all-expenses paid trip to NYC, where he was toasted, wined, and
dined
by the audiophile community at the NY Hifi show.

Who would you bet on?

I didn't know you were doing analog recordings and mixes Bob. Isn't
that a lot more gear to stuff into your backpack on the subway?

ScottW

I use an ATR-100 mounted on a hand truck.

So with only 2 tracks you're mixing on site?
What board do you lug around?

ScottW

[ScottW]

Soundhaspriority wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message
ups.com...

Soundhaspriority wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message
ups.com...

Soundhaspriority wrote:
DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are one of the top
microphone
makers in the world. They give their opinion in the digital versus
analog
debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then "Microphone
University"
and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote:

"When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market, they set themselves
some
very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades after the
introduction
of digital audio technology, analog electronics is still superior with
regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. "

So one one side, we have DPA. Representing the digital camp, we have the
esteemed choir recordist from Grosse Point, MI, who has had the high
honor
of an all-expenses paid trip to NYC, where he was toasted, wined, and
dined
by the audiophile community at the NY Hifi show.

Who would you bet on?

I didn't know you were doing analog recordings and mixes Bob. Isn't
that a lot more gear to stuff into your backpack on the subway?

ScottW

I use an ATR-100 mounted on a hand truck.

So with only 2 tracks you're mixing on site?
What board do you lug around?

ScottW

Spirit Folio Rackpack., jammed into my shopping cart.

Way to meld your true hearts aspirations, vagabond + recording
engineer.

ScottW

Soundhaspriority wrote:

DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are one of the top
microphone
makers in the world. They give their opinion in the digital versus
analog
debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then "Microphone
University"
and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote:

"When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market, they set themselves
some
very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades after the
introduction
of digital audio technology, analog electronics is still superior
with
regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. "

I followed the path to Microphone Technology Guide, but I failed to find
this quotation. Exactly where is it hiding?

Thanks,

Norm Strong

[Arny Krueger]

wrote in message

Soundhaspriority wrote:

DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are one
of the top microphone
makers in the world. They give their opinion in the
digital versus analog
debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then
"Microphone University"
and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote:

"When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market,
they set themselves some
very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades
after the introduction
of digital audio technology, analog electronics is
still superior with
regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. "

I followed the path to Microphone Technology Guide, but I
failed to find this quotation. Exactly where is it
hiding?

http://www.dpamicrophones.com/page.php?PID=34

The justification follows:

"The dynamic problems in both the digital and the analog domain originate
from the power supply. There is a tendency in the digital domain to stick to
low supply voltages below 5V and try to expand the dynamic range by
decreasing the self noise of the electronic components, whereas the analog
domain has no limits on supply voltages and can easily obtain dynamic ranges
of more than 120dB."

The idea that dynamic range can be extended indefinately by raising voltages
breaks down as soon as one introduces active devices, whether tubed or solid
state.

IOW in the context of microphone cartridges that never have to be attached
to real-world active devices in the mind of the writer, and considering only
digital devices that are limited to operation with 5 volts or less, the
analog domain has superior dynamic range to digital.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
wrote in message

Soundhaspriority wrote:

DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are one
of the top microphone
makers in the world. They give their opinion in the
digital versus analog
debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then
"Microphone University"
and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote:

"When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market,
they set themselves some
very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades
after the introduction
of digital audio technology, analog electronics is
still superior with
regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. "

I followed the path to Microphone Technology Guide, but I
failed to find this quotation. Exactly where is it
hiding?

http://www.dpamicrophones.com/page.php?PID=34

The justification follows:

"The dynamic problems in both the digital and the analog domain originate
from the power supply. There is a tendency in the digital domain to stick
to low supply voltages below 5V and try to expand the dynamic range by
decreasing the self noise of the electronic components, whereas the analog
domain has no limits on supply voltages and can easily obtain dynamic
ranges of more than 120dB."

The idea that dynamic range can be extended indefinately by raising
voltages breaks down as soon as one introduces active devices, whether
tubed or solid state.

IOW in the context of microphone cartridges that never have to be attached
to real-world active devices in the mind of the writer, and considering
only digital devices that are limited to operation with 5 volts or less,
the analog domain has superior dynamic range to digital.

Aha. Now I understand. The superiority of the analog domain over the
digital refers to the fact that digital devices frequently operate from 5
volts. It's an issue of dynamic range--not quality. If your power supply
is limited to 5v, there will be sacrifices that don't have to be made if
130v is available. This is a far cry from the insinuation that analog is
inherently better than digital.

Thanks for the input, Arny,

Norm

[Arny Krueger]

wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
wrote in message

Soundhaspriority wrote:

DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are
one of the top microphone
makers in the world. They give their opinion in the
digital versus analog
debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then
"Microphone University"
and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote:

"When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market,
they set themselves some
very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades
after the introduction
of digital audio technology, analog electronics is
still superior with
regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. "

I followed the path to Microphone Technology Guide, but
I failed to find this quotation. Exactly where is it
hiding?

http://www.dpamicrophones.com/page.php?PID=34

The justification follows:

"The dynamic problems in both the digital and the analog
domain originate from the power supply. There is a
tendency in the digital domain to stick to low supply
voltages below 5V and try to expand the dynamic range by
decreasing the self noise of the electronic components,
whereas the analog domain has no limits on supply
voltages and can easily obtain dynamic ranges of more
than 120dB." The idea that dynamic range can be extended indefinately
by raising voltages breaks down as soon as one
introduces active devices, whether tubed or solid state.

IOW in the context of microphone cartridges that never
have to be attached to real-world active devices in the
mind of the writer, and considering only digital devices
that are limited to operation with 5 volts or less, the
analog domain has superior dynamic range to digital.

Aha. Now I understand. The superiority of the analog
domain over the digital refers to the fact that digital
devices frequently operate from 5 volts. It's an issue
of dynamic range--not quality. If your power supply is
limited to 5v, there will be sacrifices that don't have
to be made if 130v is available. This is a far cry from
the insinuation that analog is inherently better than
digital.

Thanks for the input, Arny,

AFAIK one does not simply raise the supply voltage of an amplifier to say
180 volts from 36 volts (+/- 18) and instantly and without offsetting losses
of some kind immediately pick up corresponding amounts of dynamic range, at
least when active devices are involved.

[ScottW]

Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
wrote in message

Soundhaspriority wrote:

DPA, that is, Danish Pro Audio, formerly B&K, are
one of the top microphone
makers in the world. They give their opinion in the
digital versus analog
debate. Go to http://www.dpamicrophones.com, then
"Microphone University"
and then "Microphone Technology Guide." And I quote:

"When Brüel & Kjaer entered the pro audio market,
they set themselves some
very exacting standards. Now, more than two decades
after the introduction
of digital audio technology, analog electronics is
still superior with
regards to both audio bandwidth and dynamic range. "

I followed the path to Microphone Technology Guide, but
I failed to find this quotation. Exactly where is it
hiding?

http://www.dpamicrophones.com/page.php?PID=34

The justification follows:

"The dynamic problems in both the digital and the analog
domain originate from the power supply. There is a
tendency in the digital domain to stick to low supply
voltages below 5V and try to expand the dynamic range by
decreasing the self noise of the electronic components,
whereas the analog domain has no limits on supply
voltages and can easily obtain dynamic ranges of more
than 120dB." The idea that dynamic range can be extended indefinately
by raising voltages breaks down as soon as one
introduces active devices, whether tubed or solid state.

IOW in the context of microphone cartridges that never
have to be attached to real-world active devices in the
mind of the writer, and considering only digital devices
that are limited to operation with 5 volts or less, the
analog domain has superior dynamic range to digital.

Aha. Now I understand. The superiority of the analog
domain over the digital refers to the fact that digital
devices frequently operate from 5 volts. It's an issue
of dynamic range--not quality. If your power supply is
limited to 5v, there will be sacrifices that don't have
to be made if 130v is available. This is a far cry from
the insinuation that analog is inherently better than
digital.

Thanks for the input, Arny,

AFAIK one does not simply raise the supply voltage of an amplifier to say
180 volts from 36 volts (+/- 18) and instantly and without offsetting losses
of some kind immediately pick up corresponding amounts of dynamic range, at
least when active devices are involved.

How does one establish the audible noise floor of an amp?
If it remains below audible threshold....would measurable offsetting
losses matter?

ScottW