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They haven't changed it have they? I.e. If I bought a brand new one will it perform as expected? Or have they given it the 421 treatment?
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Nate Najar wrote:
They haven't changed it have they? I.e. If I bought a brand new one will it perform as expected? Or have they given it the 421 treatment? The capsule looks different, but it doesn't sound obviously different. I have not done a careful A-B test between them, but I have used both on the same stage and not noticed anything. It's certainly not like the new 421 that sounds like Jack has been at it with the 3k boost. You'll also see some of the Fireball 441s out there, which have capsules that look different than all the other 441 variations, and more limited M-S settings. Those came out back in the eighties and I don't think they sound dramatically different either. Maybe someone else who has done a real A-B test can be sure. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Thanks Scott. I shall just get a new one and not be concerned then!
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On 23/01/2017 2:10 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Nate Najar wrote: They haven't changed it have they? I.e. If I bought a brand new one will it perform as expected? Or have they given it the 421 treatment? The capsule looks different, but it doesn't sound obviously different. I have not done a careful A-B test between them, but I have used both on the same stage and not noticed anything. It's certainly not like the new 421 that sounds like Jack has been at it with the 3k boost. How do you know which vintage you have ? I've never been fond of the two oldish 421s that I have because of what I perceive as a thin shrill sound and very low output, even for a dynamic. Or are they both broken ? The casing around the stand-adaptor slot certainly is one one ! geoff |
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geoff wrote:
How do you know which vintage you have ? I've never been fond of the two oldish 421s that I have because of what I perceive as a thin shrill sound and very low output, even for a dynamic. There are three kinds of 421. The original one, which is white, the newer-but-fine one which is black, and the "improved" model which says 421 Mk. II on the nameplate. The original 421 capsule is designed to be repaired. During my lifetime I don't think anyone actually provided a repair service for it, but it was designed for the diaphragm to be removed from the element and replaced. The stuff required for that made it very expensive to manufacture, and making it flat was even more expensive. The Mk. II has a huge gargantuan presence peak and sounds totally different. The capsule is not repairable and is much easier to manufacture. Or are they both broken ? The casing around the stand-adaptor slot certainly is one one ! If the low end is gone, likely the voice coil has become deformed and is sticking. This might be repairable by someone with skill, but for the past few decades Sennheiser has just replaced the whole element. It is a common failure. I suggest getting replacement elements while you can. Throw out the stand adaptor that comes with it, and get the flexible rubber "broadcast mount" that Sennheiser sells. It actually works. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Is there any chance that an original 421 could have a replacement mkii capsule? I just got a secondhand u5 and it sounds brighter than I remember 421's sounding.....
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Nate Najar wrote: Is there any chance that an original 421 could have a replacement mkii capsule? I just got a secondhand u5 and it sounds brighter than I remember 421's sounding..... Dunno. I don't know if they can be fit in, but maybe. If it's bright, it might again be a low end loss due to voice coil sticking or on the other hand it might be the preamp load impedance being higher. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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I just borrowed a buddy's u4 and compared it to mine. The top end is the same but mine has a little less low end than his. His sounds normal, mine slightly brighter. Makes sense now.
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On 23-01-2017 18:25, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article , Nate Najar wrote: Is there any chance that an original 421 could have a replacement mkii capsule? I just got a secondhand u5 and it sounds brighter than I remember 421's sounding..... Dunno. I don't know if they can be fit in, but maybe. If it's bright, it might again be a low end loss due to voice coil sticking or on the other hand it might be the preamp load impedance being higher. I have had old and less old greys and have a pair of black 421's, from their specsheet curve what Sennheiser did over time was to fix the 500 Hz. KinoVox kindly made large Tüchel rears - available sparepart in the late 1970-ties - into XLR rears on my 5 greys. Something that made them a very nice drum set bunch, I eventually sold them to a PA Company. Not having the entire tone control module in my opinion comes with a clarity benefit and in some contexts it is also practical because it reduces the possible number of setup-errors. A bypass wiring may be possible. AB-test not done. Today I would not discard the tonecontrol: it is very good for fixing the proximity effect and in doing that - 2 clicks down - also appears to make off axis response reasonably linear in the low range. --scott Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 9:37:06 PM UTC+2, Nate Najar wrote:
They haven't changed it have they? I.e. If I bought a brand new one will it perform as expected? Or have they given it the 421 treatment? Thanks! test |
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