ref: the previous line of this amp

So now I got officially sued on intentionally prolonging the time of the
repair, intentionally "not having been reached when the customer wanted",
and finally intentionally braking the amp myself. So the ex friend of mine
claims, that I broke the "xxx" amp for just the fun of it! And this all was
for repairing an amp "without a fee, just ´for the fun of it, only the parts
should be payed".

I will keep you posted, the court hearing (and the apparent desicion) will
be in the 17th of Nov. I will tell ya all what'd happened then.

I thank everyone, that has posted me your opinions.

Sampo

I thought it was a bad Italian (or maybe American) habit to take people to a
court for any minimal argument, it's sad to see that Northern Europe has
been infected too. I suppose lawyers will cost as a brand new, top quality
unit... not including the cost sustained by the State to provide a judge, a
court and so on, which will be in turn paid in taxes.
In similar cases people should be forced by the law to find an agreement
without wasting courts' time.

Try not to worry and not to loose Your spirit for such a minimal (but
annoying) problem.

Ciao

Fabio


"Sampo Kolkki" ha scritto nel messaggio
...


ref: the previous line of this amp

So now I got officially sued on intentionally prolonging the time of the
repair, intentionally "not having been reached when the customer wanted",
and finally intentionally braking the amp myself. So the ex friend of mine
claims, that I broke the "xxx" amp for just the fun of it! And this all
was
for repairing an amp "without a fee, just ´for the fun of it, only the
parts
should be payed".

I will keep you posted, the court hearing (and the apparent desicion) will
be in the 17th of Nov. I will tell ya all what'd happened then.

I thank everyone, that has posted me your opinions.

Sampo

"Sampo Kolkki" said:

ref: the previous line of this amp

So now I got officially sued on intentionally prolonging the time of the
repair, intentionally "not having been reached when the customer wanted",
and finally intentionally braking the amp myself. So the ex friend of mine
claims, that I broke the "xxx" amp for just the fun of it! And this all was
for repairing an amp "without a fee, just ´for the fun of it, only the parts
should be payed".

I will keep you posted, the court hearing (and the apparent desicion) will
be in the 17th of Nov. I will tell ya all what'd happened then.

I thank everyone, that has posted me your opinions.

I can't believe it.
Best of luck with this utterly useless excercise.
Let's hope that the judge has some common sense and reject this case
beforehand.

At least you now know what your "friendship" was worth him.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Be sure to tell the judge that you have discovered from this unfortunate
incident that no good deed goes unpunished.

Good luck! Fellow fixers like myself wish you the best.

Jon






n article , Sampo Kolkki at
wrote on 10/7/04 9:04 PM:



ref: the previous line of this amp

So now I got officially sued on intentionally prolonging the time of the
repair, intentionally "not having been reached when the customer wanted",
and finally intentionally braking the amp myself. So the ex friend of mine
claims, that I broke the "xxx" amp for just the fun of it! And this all was
for repairing an amp "without a fee, just ´for the fun of it, only the parts
should be payed".

I will keep you posted, the court hearing (and the apparent desicion) will
be in the 17th of Nov. I will tell ya all what'd happened then.

I thank everyone, that has posted me your opinions.

Sampo

in article , Sampo Kolkki at
wrote on 10/7/04 9:04 PM:



ref: the previous line of this amp

So now I got officially sued on intentionally prolonging the time of the
repair, intentionally "not having been reached when the customer wanted",
and finally intentionally braking the amp myself. So the ex friend of mine
claims, that I broke the "xxx" amp for just the fun of it! And this all was
for repairing an amp "without a fee, just ´for the fun of it, only the parts
should be payed".

I will keep you posted, the court hearing (and the apparent desicion) will
be in the 17th of Nov. I will tell ya all what'd happened then.

I thank everyone, that has posted me your opinions.

Sampo



One more thought . . . In the U.S. You can bring a countersuit for a yost,
i.e. a frivolous action. Your friends lawsuit sounds both frivolous,
malicious, and an abuse of process.

Do Finnish courts provide similar relief?

Jon

Sampo Kolkki wrote:


ref: the previous line of this amp

So now I got officially sued on intentionally prolonging the time of the
repair, intentionally "not having been reached when the customer wanted",
and finally intentionally braking the amp myself. So the ex friend of mine
claims, that I broke the "xxx" amp for just the fun of it! And this all was
for repairing an amp "without a fee, just ´for the fun of it, only the parts
should be payed".

I will keep you posted, the court hearing (and the apparent desicion) will
be in the 17th of Nov. I will tell ya all what'd happened then.

I thank everyone, that has posted me your opinions.

Sampo


I missed the start of this thread ( once worked at Braun and CSV-60
was one of the items i repaired)

What happened ?


--
Peter Håkanson
IPSec Sverige ( At Gothenburg Riverside )
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remove "icke-reklam" if you feel for mailing me. Thanx.

Sampo Kolkki wrote:
ref: the previous line of this amp

So now I got officially sued on intentionally prolonging the time of the
repair, intentionally "not having been reached when the customer wanted",
and finally intentionally braking the amp myself. So the ex friend of mine
claims, that I broke the "xxx" amp for just the fun of it! And this all was
for repairing an amp "without a fee, just ´for the fun of it, only the parts
should be payed".

I will keep you posted, the court hearing (and the apparent desicion) will
be in the 17th of Nov. I will tell ya all what'd happened then.

I thank everyone, that has posted me your opinions.

Sampo


Want to restore your friendship, let your friend withdraw the case and
compensate him eventually with this one?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...78969 89&rd=1

it is not a csv-60, though. But this csv-13 has been nicely refurbished.

Walther

Walther said:

Want to restore your friendship, let your friend withdraw the case and
compensate him eventually with this one?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...78969 89&rd=1

it is not a csv-60, though. But this csv-13 has been nicely refurbished.

In case the "friend" wants to pursue the suit, the asking price isn't
gonna help him.........600 euros for this amp is quite steep if you
ask me.
But as some RAT poster pointed out recently, going prices these days
are determined by Ebay.

Recently I saw a Radford SC22/STA25 combo in original (mint) condition
for sale here. Asking price? 1200 euros. Sold in one day............

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

Sander deWaal wrote:
Walther said:


Want to restore your friendship, let your friend withdraw the case and
compensate him eventually with this one?


http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...78969 89&rd=1


it is not a csv-60, though. But this csv-13 has been nicely refurbished.


In case the "friend" wants to pursue the suit, the asking price isn't
gonna help him.........600 euros for this amp is quite steep if you
ask me.

Yep, quite a lot. Why look for the holy grail? I already _got_ me one.

But I understand the sensation an accidental loss of a CSV-60 may cause,
at least to an enthusiast that knows about its value - which is not
possible to count in cash alone. That´s not everything to a collector!

IMO, btw., one has to access it´s real value with the _ears_ only.

But as some RAT poster pointed out recently, going prices these days
are determined by Ebay.

Recently I saw a Radford SC22/STA25 combo in original (mint) condition
for sale here. Asking price? 1200 euros. Sold in one day............


Impressive! I missed that... and, btw., am not going to sell mine ;-).

For determination of prices through ebay - I found out that high end
equipment goes much higher in Europe than in the US. Maybe the old
continent has more buyers or more serious listeners.

But this is for contemporary gear only - on the other hand, there are e.
g. very few Braun amps over there in the US - it seems they were mainly
sold at home. A european vintage amp reimport biz would not flourish
like one with sportscars from california :-(.

Walther

Walther said:

But I understand the sensation an accidental loss of a CSV-60 may cause,
at least to an enthusiast that knows about its value - which is not
possible to count in cash alone. That´s not everything to a collector!

Well, I was never attracted to old tube gear for its collectability.
Except maybe for the Quad II, which is IMO one of the few older amps
one can use without design modifications.
Adding a good cinch receptacle is necessary though.

I'm a heathen. If I ever would buy a Braun, Leak, Radford or any other
old amp, I'd modify the heck out of them!
Probably only use the transformers :-)

IMO, btw., one has to access it´s real value with the _ears_ only.

Yep, we're in agreement here.

Recently I saw a Radford SC22/STA25 combo in original (mint) condition
for sale here. Asking price? 1200 euros. Sold in one day............

Impressive! I missed that... and, btw., am not going to sell mine ;-).

It was on Dutch Marktplaats.nl, some kind of Ebay but without teh
feedback.

For determination of prices through ebay - I found out that high end
equipment goes much higher in Europe than in the US. Maybe the old
continent has more buyers or more serious listeners.

I noted that prices in Germany are in general higher than in the
Netherlands.
A friend of mine sold some McIntosh gear partly in Germany and partly
in Holland.
The German buyers offered about twice the amount the Dutch did.
No surprise, huh? :-)

But this is for contemporary gear only - on the other hand, there are e.
g. very few Braun amps over there in the US - it seems they were mainly
sold at home. A european vintage amp reimport biz would not flourish
like one with sportscars from california :-(.

Well, there are some Dynacos that crossed the Atlantic, but there's
the power transformer problem.
The trannies are intended for 60 Hz use so core saturation is a
problem with those already underspecced transformers.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

Sander deWaal wrote:

If I ever would buy a Braun, Leak, Radford or any other
old amp, I'd modify the heck out of them!
Probably only use the transformers :-)

....but what for? You mean you could easily improve the sound?
Of a Braun, Leak or Radford (once famed to be better than Quad)?
Better built your own amo, the transformers are still available.
I´d like to hear the difference if there is one...


IMO, btw., one has to access it´s real value with the _ears_ only.


Yep, we're in agreement here.


Walther

Sampo Kolkki wrote:
ref: the previous line of this amp

[...snip...]

have a look at this ebay auction:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=3849551021

at least an answer to the "what is a CSV-60 worth today" question.

Walther

Walther wrote:
Sampo Kolkki wrote:

ref: the previous line of this amp


[...snip...]

have a look at this ebay auction:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=3849551021

at least an answer to the "what is a CSV-60 worth today" question.

Walther

another one!

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=3853072491

Walther said:

have a look at this ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=3849551021

at least an answer to the "what is a CSV-60 worth today" question.

another one!
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=3853072491

Well, it *is* a beauty to behold!
Note that the asking price is nowhere near the amount the "friend" of
mr. Kolkki wants to see....................

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "