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I'm Dumping Sonar 4P and Cubase SX3 for Ardour/Audacity/Rosegarden/Linux
I've really had it with the bloated, buggy software on the Windows
platform and I have finally made the decision to move over to Linux because all the software I need is free. I've been test driving some Linux software for the last couple of weeks and truthfully I can't find anything that my Linux software can't do that the others with Windows can do. I plan on using the following for tracking, mixing and mastering: Ardour http://ardour.org/ This program just ROCKS!!! Audacity for Mastering: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Which comes with about 200 plugins for mastering. Rosegarden for MIDI: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ I have been using all of these programs under Mepis Linux and I can't say enough good about them. Super stable and great. So long DONGLES, Serial numbers and other BS and hello to the freedom of Linux. My LEGAL versions of Sonar 4 Producer and Cubase SX3 will be up on ebay shortly. Wilson Pettibone |
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:11:26 -0700, Wilson Pettibone wrote:
I've really had it with the bloated, buggy software on the Windows platform and I have finally made the decision to move over to Linux because all the software I need is free. I've been test driving some Linux software for the last couple of weeks and truthfully I can't find anything that my Linux software can't do that the others with Windows can do. I plan on using the following for tracking, mixing and mastering: Ardour http://ardour.org/ This program just ROCKS!!! Audacity for Mastering: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Which comes with about 200 plugins for mastering. Rosegarden for MIDI: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ I have been using all of these programs under Mepis Linux and I can't say enough good about them. Super stable and great. So long DONGLES, Serial numbers and other BS and hello to the freedom of Linux. My LEGAL versions of Sonar 4 Producer and Cubase SX3 will be up on ebay shortly. Should we call you the anti-flatfish? Widefish, maybe? Criminy! Just so you know, I'm posting this from pan running on Fedora 1. I haven't used winblows for anything in at least 5 years (except my day job, where my client pays for the license & I still spend more time on Solaris & HP-UX). But if you're ****canning current versions Sonar & Cubase (both top rate apps, reqardless of the platform they run on) you've already paid for, then you're a ****ing dumbass. Hell, I'm waiting for the day when Ardour (or something else, (actually, I'd prefer if it was something else)) is ready for prime time. It will happen; and it will probably happen faster than it did for windows audio apps. (It wasn't that long ago that ALL the serious audio apps were Mac only, remember?). But that day ain't here yet. Actually some of the exchanges I read between P. Davis & he Debian maintainers, makes me wonder if we wouldn't all be better off to just ignore Ardour & hope somebody else comes up with another approach. Linux (and Unix in general) has way more important business to attend to than Ardour. But in from my POV, P. Davis comes off as some kind of primadonna who thinks he deserves to be the next Linus Torvalds. Well, he ain't there by a long shot. If you want your app to be welcomed by and included in the major distros, then compatibility is YOUR responsibility. What percentage of Debian users (or Linux users in general) do you think give a rat's ass about audio? Why should Debian package a different version of C libraries just to make Ardour work? Short answer - they shouldn't. So would you crossposting OS geeks PLEASE keep your bull**** OFF of rec.audio.pro, 'cause people here DON'T ****ING GIVE A ****!!! |
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On 10 Jun 2005 16:11:26 -0700, "Wilson Pettibone"
wrote: I've really had it with the bloated, buggy software on the Windows platform and I have finally made the decision to move over to Linux because all the software I need is free. I've been test driving some Linux software for the last couple of weeks and truthfully I can't find anything that my Linux software can't do that the others with Windows can do. What are you using for an audio card? Ap |
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Agent 86 wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:11:26 -0700, Wilson Pettibone wrote: I've really had it with the bloated, buggy software on the Windows platform and I have finally made the decision to move over to Linux because all the software I need is free. I've been test driving some Linux software for the last couple of weeks and truthfully I can't find anything that my Linux software can't do that the others with Windows can do. I plan on using the following for tracking, mixing and mastering: Ardour http://ardour.org/ This program just ROCKS!!! Audacity for Mastering: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Which comes with about 200 plugins for mastering. Rosegarden for MIDI: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ I have been using all of these programs under Mepis Linux and I can't say enough good about them. Super stable and great. So long DONGLES, Serial numbers and other BS and hello to the freedom of Linux. My LEGAL versions of Sonar 4 Producer and Cubase SX3 will be up on ebay shortly. Should we call you the anti-flatfish? Widefish, maybe? Criminy! Just so you know, I'm posting this from pan running on Fedora 1. I haven't used winblows for anything in at least 5 years (except my day job, where my client pays for the license & I still spend more time on Solaris & HP-UX). But if you're ****canning current versions Sonar & Cubase (both top rate apps, reqardless of the platform they run on) you've already paid for, then you're a ****ing dumbass. Hell, I'm waiting for the day when Ardour (or something else, (actually, I'd prefer if it was something else)) is ready for prime time. It will happen; and it will probably happen faster than it did for windows audio apps. (It wasn't that long ago that ALL the serious audio apps were Mac only, remember?). But that day ain't here yet. Actually some of the exchanges I read between P. Davis & he Debian maintainers, makes me wonder if we wouldn't all be better off to just ignore Ardour & hope somebody else comes up with another approach. Linux (and Unix in general) has way more important business to attend to than Ardour. But in from my POV, P. Davis comes off as some kind of primadonna who thinks he deserves to be the next Linus Torvalds. Well, he ain't there by a long shot. If you want your app to be welcomed by and included in the major distros, then compatibility is YOUR responsibility. What percentage of Debian users (or Linux users in general) do you think give a rat's ass about audio? Why should Debian package a different version of C libraries just to make Ardour work? Short answer - they shouldn't. So would you crossposting OS geeks PLEASE keep your bull**** OFF of rec.audio.pro, 'cause people here DON'T ****ING GIVE A ****!!! Agent 86, you da man! Great post. |
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I've really had it with the bloated, buggy software on the Windows platform and I have finally made the decision to move over to Linux because all the software I need is free. I've been test driving some Linux software for the last couple of weeks and truthfully I can't find anything that my Linux software can't do that the others with Windows can do. Well, I looked at it too and found it woefully incomplete and not suitable for professional use, at least not yet. Still hobbyist level IMHO. Ap |
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:11:04 -0700, Richie Miller wrote:
I've really had it with the bloated, buggy software on the Windows platform and I have finally made the decision to move over to Linux because all the software I need is free. I've been test driving some Linux software for the last couple of weeks and truthfully I can't find anything that my Linux software can't do that the others with Windows can do. I plan on using the following for tracking, mixing and mastering: Ardour http://ardour.org/ This program just ROCKS!!! Audacity for Mastering: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Which comes with about 200 plugins for mastering. Rosegarden for MIDI: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ I have been using all of these programs under Mepis Linux and I can't say enough good about them. Super stable and great. So long DONGLES, Serial numbers and other BS and hello to the freedom of Linux. My LEGAL versions of Sonar 4 Producer and Cubase SX3 will be up on ebay shortly. Interesting. What about all those VSTs, Dxis, plugins, etc? Will they run in Linux? No, they won't... but he won't need them as his Soundblaster Live has builit in effects! Oh wait, SBLive effects aren't supported in Linux... darn! Ap RM |
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:10:19 -0500, Kraig Olmstead wrote:
Richie Miller wrote: Interesting. What about all those VSTs, Dxis, plugins, etc? Will they run in Linux? RM I presume you're being facetious, but in case you're not: There are Windows emulators on Linux. The actual binary code doesn't have to change (since it'd be running on the same processor as Windows does) but the file format for the linker/loader (what does the DLL call and what functions does it expose?) has to be interpretted and all of the system calls have to be redirected to the Linux equivalant. It would be possible to move all the Windows plug-ins over via emulation, but I doubt it's been done yet. Perhaps it has though - the technology is there on Linux and source code is probably available. Here's a list of VST plugins that are known to work in Ardour on x86 Linux under Wine/FST emulation. The main stumbling block at the moment is the redistribution licence for the VST header files that requires you to either download them separately from Steinberg and compile VST support yourself (difficult), or buy a distro like Fervent. There is little to no efficiency hit from the 'emulation' as far as I know. Running VST plugins is Linux is still pretty raw, though it's easier than running Jack apps in Windows. AbsynthVST.dll Ambience.dll AnechoicRoomSimulator.dll +armonicos2.dll BarsStripes.dll Battery Demo.dll Big Tick Hexaline.dll BLOCKFISH.dll Boss DS-1.dll Boss SD-1.dll Classic Delay.dll Classic EQ.dll Crystal.dll Cyanide2.dll DebaserDemo.dll DeeLay_sm.dll Delay Lama.dll deloizer095.dll DFX Transverb.dll Didjerimoog.dll dominion v1.2.dll dronebox.dll Drumatic_22.dll E-Kit_trigger.dll endorphin.dll E-Phonic XPressor.dll ersdrums.dll FLOORFISH.dll Frohmage.dll GoldenGate.dll H2O.dll JS Vibrato V1.0.dll jultram.dll Kontakt Demo.dll KTGranulator.dll Laidback-er.dll LoopaZoid.dll mabento.dll MadShifta.dll mda DX10.dll mda ePiano.dll mda Piano.dll MjMultibandCompressor.dll MjRotoDelay.dll NUSofting_HarpTime_fun_Demo.dll NUSofting_Kazootronica.dll Octaver12B.dll Paax.dll ParisEQ.dll relofter.dll resolator_1.03_demo.dll RetroDelay.dll SIR_086.dll SIR_1005.dll SIR.dll sloper.dll SoloString_v10.dll SpaceLab_Cmpr.dll SpaceLab_CmprMono.dll SpaceLab_CombEmu.dll SPITFISH.dll Stretch & Squash.dll SupaPhaser.dll Syntar.dll Tape Delay.dll TapeStop.dll THD.dll themodulator2.dll TLs_Maximizer.dll ToW_Compressor.dll Trancemitter.dll TubeLimit.dll VoxengoElephant.dll VoxengoElephantHQ.dll WNMiasma.dll FWIW, I'm somewhat interested in how things are shaping up like on Linux, but I'm less thrilled with some troll doing a spamming cross-post for the education. KO |
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Richie Miller wrote:
Interesting. What about all those VSTs, Dxis, plugins, etc? Will they run in Linux? RM I presume you're being facetious, but in case you're not: There are Windows emulators on Linux. The actual binary code doesn't have to change (since it'd be running on the same processor as Windows does) but the file format for the linker/loader (what does the DLL call and what functions does it expose?) has to be interpretted and all of the system calls have to be redirected to the Linux equivalant. It would be possible to move all the Windows plug-ins over via emulation, but I doubt it's been done yet. Perhaps it has though - the technology is there on Linux and source code is probably available. FWIW, I'm somewhat interested in how things are shaping up like on Linux, but I'm less thrilled with some troll doing a spamming cross-post for the education. KO |
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I really wish these Linux geeks would stop cross posting in rec.audio.
pro. We don't care what you use. You are just annoying. |
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 07:25:22 -0700, blckout420 wrote:
I really wish these Linux geeks would stop cross posting in rec.audio. pro. We don't care what you use. You are just annoying. This is about recording software. Therefore as far as I'm concerned the discussion is on topic for rec.audio.pro. I agree the particular OS the software runs on is irrelevent, unless it affects audio production in some way. |
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:43:20 GMT, philicorda
wrote: Here's a list of VST plugins that are known to work in Ardour on x86 Linux under Wine/FST emulation. The main stumbling block at the moment is the redistribution licence for the VST header files that requires you to either download them separately from Steinberg and compile VST support yourself (difficult), or buy a distro like Fervent. There is little to no efficiency hit from the 'emulation' as far as I know. Running VST plugins is Linux is still pretty raw, though it's easier than running Jack apps in Windows. AbsynthVST.dll Ambience.dll AnechoicRoomSimulator.dll snip-snip Sorry..... using real time applications running under an emulation does not cut it. I have nothing against Linux and it's variations but there is currently no way you can come close to matching features available in modern Windows sequencers. About a year ago I was willing to give Linux a try but after a lot of investigation I soon realized it what a futile attempt it would become. To say nothing of the lack of audio card support. Specifically, full featured audio support. What good is having an audio card that supports 16 channels I/O, ADAT compatibility, S/PDIF... if under Linux all you get is stereo I/O. Linux I like the idea... but I'd rather pay for what works and what I need. Ap |
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It's not like the code is emulated. The binaries will run at normal
speed because it's all Intel code being run. The work was done at load time, patching up references to code that doesn't really exist. KO Aphelion wrote: On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:43:20 GMT, philicorda wrote: Here's a list of VST plugins that are known to work in Ardour on x86 Linux under Wine/FST emulation. The main stumbling block at the moment is the redistribution licence for the VST header files that requires you to either download them separately from Steinberg and compile VST support yourself (difficult), or buy a distro like Fervent. There is little to no efficiency hit from the 'emulation' as far as I know. Running VST plugins is Linux is still pretty raw, though it's easier than running Jack apps in Windows. AbsynthVST.dll Ambience.dll AnechoicRoomSimulator.dll snip-snip Sorry..... using real time applications running under an emulation does not cut it. I have nothing against Linux and it's variations but there is currently no way you can come close to matching features available in modern Windows sequencers. About a year ago I was willing to give Linux a try but after a lot of investigation I soon realized it what a futile attempt it would become. To say nothing of the lack of audio card support. Specifically, full featured audio support. What good is having an audio card that supports 16 channels I/O, ADAT compatibility, S/PDIF... if under Linux all you get is stereo I/O. Linux I like the idea... but I'd rather pay for what works and what I need. Ap |
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Thanks David. Perhaps we'll make a silk purse out of this sow's ear of
a thread yet! KO David Troxell - Encourager Software wrote: In article , says... Richie Miller wrote: Interesting. What about all those VSTs, Dxis, plugins, etc? Will they run in Linux? RM FWIW, I'm somewhat interested in how things are shaping up like on Linux, but I'm less thrilled with some troll doing a spamming cross-post for the education. KO, if you didn't read my earlier post about this Linux distro CD product (Studio to Go!), you might want to check it out - I am NOT a Linux user, but found this while doing some research on this subject. For PC Audio recording enthusiasts g (no Mac CD available) who are curious about how the Linux Audio world is shaping up - Fervent Software has put together a collection that doesn't even require install to disk, just a fast enough computer with adequate RAM (and, of course, a supported Audio card) to test the Linux OS and Linux Audio software at the same time. Current pricing: GBP 49.99 (USD 90.85) After reading Fervent Software's - public forum - it seems they have done extensive testing with quite a few computer and audio card combinations, and have accomplished a fairly painless method for the Linux novice to test the waters - Load the CD, reboot, and a Linux OS is loaded with the Linux audio software. Studio to Go! http://www.ferventsoftware.com/ Bascially, a commercial linux install (or run from CD) with a lot of the linux audio software programs that has been mentioned. (Also, there are similar non-commercial linux projects such as the AGNULA project - http://www.agnula.org/ - refer to this Sound On Sound article for an overview of the AGNULA project - http://tinyurl.com/akklh, also SOS article on Studio to Go! - http://tinyurl.com/9zw7m) "Studio..to go! is a complete music production environment on a single CD. What's truly remarkable is you don't have to install any software before you start using it! Put the CD in the drive, reboot your computer and get dropped into a complete music production environment including sequencer, MIDI and Audio editors, scoring support, soft synths, drum machines, CD ripping and burning and mastering software. You can use your existing VST plugins and VST instruments and any Soundfonts with the Studio..to go! software immediately. When you're done recording you can save your compositions to a USB key and take them and your software away with you to use on another computer!" David KO |
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:41:49 +0000, Aphelion wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:43:20 GMT, philicorda wrote: Here's a list of VST plugins that are known to work in Ardour on x86 Linux under Wine/FST emulation. The main stumbling block at the moment is the redistribution licence for the VST header files that requires you to either download them separately from Steinberg and compile VST support yourself (difficult), or buy a distro like Fervent. There is little to no efficiency hit from the 'emulation' as far as I know. Running VST plugins is Linux is still pretty raw, though it's easier than running Jack apps in Windows. AbsynthVST.dll Ambience.dll AnechoicRoomSimulator.dll snip-snip Sorry..... using real time applications running under an emulation does not cut it. I have nothing against Linux and it's variations but there is currently no way you can come close to matching features available in modern Windows sequencers. About a year ago I was willing to give Linux a try but after a lot of investigation I soon realized it what a futile attempt it would become. As kraig pointed out, it's not a problem in theory for plugins, hence the quotes around 'emulation' as it's not really emulation, but rather providing a windows compatible API. I would say that running audio apps like Cubase,Logic etc under Wine is never going to be that great (If they would work at all)... There are too many differences in the OSs to trust them to be reliable, even if the execution speed was the same. Plugins are not so OS specific or demanding, so it's possible. Copy protection is a real problem though. Linux audio apps are nowhere near as advanced as those available for windows... but hey, give me virtually unlimited tracks of 24/96 audio with non linear editing and automation plus a good software modular and I can just about rough it. I work mostly with real instruments, and like outboard effects, so I don't need much, at least for my personal recording. To say nothing of the lack of audio card support. Specifically, full featured audio support. What good is having an audio card that supports 16 channels I/O, ADAT compatibility, S/PDIF... if under Linux all you get is stereo I/O. Which card is that? Linux I like the idea... but I'd rather pay for what works and what I need. To do anything else would be foolish. Ap |
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 21:23:11 GMT, philicorda
wrote: On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:41:49 +0000, Aphelion wrote: Sorry..... using real time applications running under an emulation does not cut it. I have nothing against Linux and it's variations but there is currently no way you can come close to matching features available in modern Windows sequencers. About a year ago I was willing to give Linux a try but after a lot of investigation I soon realized it what a futile attempt it would become. As kraig pointed out, it's not a problem in theory for plugins, hence the quotes around 'emulation' as it's not really emulation, but rather providing a windows compatible API. Yes, in theory. I would say that running audio apps like Cubase,Logic etc under Wine is never going to be that great (If they would work at all)... There are too many differences in the OSs to trust them to be reliable, even if the execution speed was the same. Plugins are not so OS specific or demanding, so it's possible. Copy protection is a real problem though. Linux audio apps are nowhere near as advanced as those available for windows... but hey, give me virtually unlimited tracks of 24/96 audio with non linear editing and automation plus a good software modular and I can just about rough it. I work mostly with real instruments, and like outboard effects, so I don't need much, at least for my personal recording. I too work mostly with live musicians w/outboard mixer, synths and some effects. However... it would be difficult to lose 99% compatibility with other musicians/studios, lose great plugins that I've paid good money for. I know East/West Symphonic Gold edition is mot going to run under Linux! :-). To say nothing of the lack of audio card support. Specifically, full featured audio support. What good is having an audio card that supports 16 channels I/O, ADAT compatibility, S/PDIF... if under Linux all you get is stereo I/O. Which card is that? The MOTU series, RME, Lynx. Cards that offer professional audio features. When I looked at Linux (a year ago) audio card support was seriously lacking. Cards that did have support did not have all features available, only basic I/O. Is there now audio support for 8 or 16 Input audio devices? Linux I like the idea... but I'd rather pay for what works and what I need. To do anything else would be foolish. Those that tout the advantages of Linux might also consider posting it's downside. There's no need to slam exisiting Win software (not you Phil) to prove a point about Linux. (if there is a point other than it's free, efficient, not Windows and lacks professional features.) That said, I will probably order the Fervent software CD to see how things have developed. Ap |
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"philicorda" wrote in message As kraig pointed out, it's not a problem in theory for plugins, hence the quotes around 'emulation' as it's not really emulation, but rather providing a windows compatible API. So that's why 'DX' gets dropped from every plugin discussion ? geoff |
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Yes, I mean who doesn't want to jump through hoops and make it more
complex to record than necessary? I ask you. Run an emulator to use apps that I can run in Windows itself with full compatibility? If that floats your boat, more power to you. Can you explain again why anyone would want to switch from Windows/Mac to Linux for recording? I fail to see any real benefit. |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:25:38 +1200, Geoff Wood wrote:
"philicorda" wrote in message As kraig pointed out, it's not a problem in theory for plugins, hence the quotes around 'emulation' as it's not really emulation, but rather providing a windows compatible API. So that's why 'DX' gets dropped from every plugin discussion ? There is zero DirectX audio plugin support. Not many VST plugins work either. Most software uses the LADSPA plugin API or connects via Jack. geoff |
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Good.
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J.C. Scott wrote:
Can you explain again why anyone would want to switch from Windows/Mac to Linux for recording? I fail to see any real benefit. Hopefully someday Linux will be great for audio. Windows and Mac have their drawbacks as well. |
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Hi. Troll here. By the way, what exactly is wrong with being a troll? I
simply read the posts when I get a chance to and see if something interests me. This thread certainly did just that. *L* I just wanted to note(for what ever it matters from a troll) that the first guy who said he was switching to Linux didn't seem to me as though he was doing or saying anything wrong in the very first post. Did I miss something there? Mod did seem to(from what I saw) "attack" first. Either way, it turned out to be fairly amusing. I had a few chuckles here and there. In case I did miss it, is there something wrong with switching to Linux or selling your legal copies of software on Ebay(if they could be sold, which he seemed to have believed to be the case)? I personally feel that you should have EVERY right to sell something that you have purchased. Cakewalk saying I can't sell something I have paid for(a product, a thing, something I have in my hands that I OWN) is CRAZY! *L* Anyway, certainly not joining in either side here, just wondering if I missed something. Back to the troll thing real quick though... what exactly is so bad about being a troll to a newsgroup? Am I missing something there as well? Am I expected to log on everyday and type something so that someone somewhere will think I'm actively participating? When I do log on, I always throw in a post when it seems I have info that may help some how, but I don't go to newsgroups very often. Any newsgroup I ever go to for any subject is just to get info. I didn't realize they were used for anything else. If I have something to share, I certainly do out of common courtesy, but I don't just "hang out" and post on them all day. I have a job and a family that require more time of me than that, and, I enjoy spending time with friends and family here in real life, so seeking that on the internet just seems a bit trivial. hmm... that sounded sarcastic. Didn't mean it that way, I'm just not sure I'm getting the whole concept of this particular newsgroup? I use a newsgroup like any other type of manual or research for something I'm doing. If there's something I'm un-shure of, I pop in and see if it's been discussed, and if not, I post a question and the nice people here will usually post a reply, and while I'm here, I scan over other posts to see if I have anything useful to contribute. Let me know if I'm missing the mark here? Have a good day. J. Anthony |
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On , "J. Anthony" wrote:
In case I did miss it, is there something wrong with switching to Linux or selling your legal copies of software on Ebay(if they could be sold, which he seemed to have believed to be the case)? I personally feel that you should have EVERY right to sell something that you have purchased. Cakewalk saying I can't sell something I have paid for(a product, a thing, something I have in my hands that I OWN) is CRAZY! *L* Anyway, Of course you can sell it, however it can't be registered in the (new) purchasers name or upgraded. Ap |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:12:44 -0500, "J. Anthony"
wrote: Let me know if I'm missing the mark here? Have a good day. I think you don't know what a "troll" is. :-) CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm "Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect |
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 21:49:22 +0000, Aphelion wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 21:23:11 GMT, philicorda wrote: On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:41:49 +0000, Aphelion wrote: Sorry..... using real time applications running under an emulation does not cut it. I have nothing against Linux and it's variations but there is currently no way you can come close to matching features available in modern Windows sequencers. About a year ago I was willing to give Linux a try but after a lot of investigation I soon realized it what a futile attempt it would become. As kraig pointed out, it's not a problem in theory for plugins, hence the quotes around 'emulation' as it's not really emulation, but rather providing a windows compatible API. Yes, in theory. I would say that running audio apps like Cubase,Logic etc under Wine is never going to be that great (If they would work at all)... There are too many differences in the OSs to trust them to be reliable, even if the execution speed was the same. Plugins are not so OS specific or demanding, so it's possible. Copy protection is a real problem though. Linux audio apps are nowhere near as advanced as those available for windows... but hey, give me virtually unlimited tracks of 24/96 audio with non linear editing and automation plus a good software modular and I can just about rough it. I work mostly with real instruments, and like outboard effects, so I don't need much, at least for my personal recording. I too work mostly with live musicians w/outboard mixer, synths and some effects. However... it would be difficult to lose 99% compatibility with other musicians/studios, lose great plugins that I've paid good money for. I know East/West Symphonic Gold edition is mot going to run under Linux! :-). That's the way it is. There is no way I can ever lose my Windows+CubaseSX system as I have so much archived material recorded with it. Also, it's reliable and pleasant to use. Compatibility is another issue. I can't exchange files reliably with other SX users on the Mac, or at all with other PC users using a more recent upgrade of SX, let alone with other Windows sequencers. I get the feeling Linux audio is going to be around a long time, and I'm in no hurry to dump a working system. As a second audio computer in the studio it has proved useful though, so I keep hacking away with it. To say nothing of the lack of audio card support. Specifically, full featured audio support. What good is having an audio card that supports 16 channels I/O, ADAT compatibility, S/PDIF... if under Linux all you get is stereo I/O. Which card is that? The MOTU series, RME, Lynx. There's virtually no support for MOTU cards, and probably never will be. (Only their little midi interfaces work I think.) Lynx is the same. RME cards are well supported with gui mixers and all io as far as I can tell. Not used one myself. Cards that offer professional audio features. When I looked at Linux (a year ago) audio card support was seriously lacking. Cards that did have support did not have all features available, only basic I/O. Is there now audio support for 8 or 16 Input audio devices? Yes. I have Delta1010 and Echoaudio Gina20 with all io working and nice mixers for monitoring, clocking, scms, emphasis, spdif consumer/pro etc. Linux I like the idea... but I'd rather pay for what works and what I need. To do anything else would be foolish. Those that tout the advantages of Linux might also consider posting it's downside. There's no need to slam exisiting Win software (not you Phil) to prove a point about Linux. (if there is a point other than it's free, efficient, not Windows and lacks professional features.) That said, I will probably order the Fervent software CD to see how things have developed. I'd be interested to hear what it's like. Ap |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:48:01 GMT, philicorda
wrote: That said, I will probably order the Fervent software CD to see how things have developed. I'd be interested to hear what it's like. Hi, Just spoke (emailed) with the fellow from Fervent, looks like I'll be ordering the CD next week. Wasn't sure if they ship to the US but it's all covered in the base price. Ap |
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Good point. Still silly. I should be able to sell my right to use it if I no
longer need to. By the way, someone posted that I must not know what a troll is. I guess I don't. Could someone spell it out for me please? I guess I never knew what exactly was meant by that term. Later... J. Anthony "Glennbo" wrote in message . 6... In the killer robot "J. Anthony" grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... I personally feel that you should have EVERY right to sell something that you have purchased. Cakewalk saying I can't sell something I have paid for(a product, a thing, something I have in my hands that I OWN) You don't own *any* of the software you have. Read the freeking license agreement. You own a *license* to *use* the software, nothing more. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to reply by email. _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo These go to eleven Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits |
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On , "J. Anthony" wrote:
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:56:11 MST Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 18:56:11 -0500 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com cakewalk.audio:140961 alt.steinberg.cubase:213066 rec.audio.pro:1179523 Good point. Still silly. I should be able to sell my right to use it if I no longer need to. By the way, someone posted that I must not know what a troll is. I guess I don't. Could someone spell it out for me please? I guess I never knew what exactly was meant by that term. Later... A very excellnt desciption. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll As for the softwa As mentioned, you cansell it but the purchaser will not have rights to tech support or upgrades, neither can it be registered in his/her name. Before Steinberg was bought by Pinnacle and subsquently sold to Yamaha. You could sell the software by informing Steinberg (by post) of the new owners name, your name and the software's serial number. The new owner could then pay a flat $50 fee to register the software in their name. Don't know if the above procedure is still in place, doubtful. Ap |
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Kraig Olmstead wrote:
I think Cakewalk will let you transfer the license, but you do have to involve them in order for them to recognise it. KO Doesn't Cakewalk also have a 30 day money back guarantee? |
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Aphelion wrote:
On , "J. Anthony" wrote: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:56:11 MST Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 18:56:11 -0500 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com cakewalk.audio:140961 alt.steinberg.cubase:213066 rec.audio.pro:1179523 Good point. Still silly. I should be able to sell my right to use it if I no longer need to. By the way, someone posted that I must not know what a troll is. I guess I don't. Could someone spell it out for me please? I guess I never knew what exactly was meant by that term. Later... A very excellnt desciption. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll As for the softwa As mentioned, you cansell it but the purchaser will not have rights to tech support or upgrades, neither can it be registered in his/her name. Before Steinberg was bought by Pinnacle and subsquently sold to Yamaha. You could sell the software by informing Steinberg (by post) of the new owners name, your name and the software's serial number. The new owner could then pay a flat $50 fee to register the software in their name. Don't know if the above procedure is still in place, doubtful. Ap I think Cakewalk will let you transfer the license, but you do have to involve them in order for them to recognise it. KO |
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Aphelion wrote:
Interesting. What about all those VSTs, Dxis, plugins, etc? Will they run in Linux? No, they won't... but he won't need them as his Soundblaster Live has builit in effects! Oh wait, SBLive effects aren't supported in Linux... darn! Ap RM Go to Google and search for' vst and linux' and come out with these results: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=...Search&me ta= Specifically look at this: http://www.djcj.org/LAU/ladspavst/ They say vsts can run under linux using wine, but it looks like a major pain to set up. I have used Linux for several years and have more than enough technical skills, but I'd rather would rather spend my music time recording with Cubase, Tracktion etc and vstis on Windows for now. If all this could be done with one install they might have something. But not yet for vsti use. |
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