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On 7/30/2013 4:46 PM, geoff wrote:
wrote in message ... Someone in the know sends out a memo with the code number, and the technican inspects the chip to see if it has that marking. That's why I emailed Behringer twice with description of the problem and the question if the chip problem was identified and fixed. Got only auto-responce: "Send the unit in repair center". So maybe that's what you should do then. geoff I'm thinking it suggests there is no commonly reported problem with those symptoms, or there may be more than one potential cause. Thing is, these are low cost units that aren't designed with service in mind. == Later... Ron Capik -- |
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Bob Quintal wrote:
" wrote in I did re-solder the joints all around processor area in my original unit (the one I bought used). Didn't help. Also the problem always disappears (at least for a while) every time I re-boot FX processor by holding down FX select knob on power up (Technician recommendation). That strongly indicates chip internal problem that has nothing to do with solder joints. Or maybe a problem with the power going to the chip that causes the ic to oscillate. Have you checked the filter capacitors near the microcircuit? Or. as he says Behringer have now asked him to do, put the whole lot into a box and sent it back for them to fix. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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geoff wrote:
wrote in message ... Behringer offered help AFTER I uploaded the video. Before that I didn't get much response from them. And they even closed the thread on the subject I put up on their users forum. http://forum.behringer.com/showthrea...-with-RX1202FX I wonder why .... I can see why they closed the thread. It's a shame we can't do the same here. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 7/30/2013 12:28 PM, wrote:
That's why I emailed Behringer twice with description of the problem and the question if the chip problem was identified and fixed. Got only auto-responce: "Send the unit in repair center". Sounds like a case of an irresistible force and an immovable object. They don't want to admit that there's something wrong unless they see the mixer, and you aren't making any effort to getting the mixer to them. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On 7/30/2013 1:44 PM, wrote:
Didn't help. Also the problem always disappears (at least for a while) every time I re-boot FX processor by holding down FX select knob on power up Maybe it really disappears when you power it down and up again, suggesting that perhaps it's a faulty capacitor. Or a faulty IC. You've put a soldering iron on it already. Put a scope on it and analyzer the noise, That might give you a real clue. It's what any bench technician would do. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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Chuck wrote:
There was one Behringer unit from the bad electrolyte days that I looked at that had over 50 bad electrolytics. It went into the trash. With a desoldering tool, I can do 50 bad electrolytics in two hours easy. I recapped an entire Interface console in a day. I was cramped and sore but it sounded great. The desoldering tool is worth every penny. It will pay for itself in one job like that. It doesn't work any better than a Soldapulit but it sure works a lot faster. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Les Cargill" wrote in message ... Mike Rivers wrote: On 7/29/2013 8:15 AM, Les Cargill wrote: Software isn't intermittent. Yes, it is. Frequently. No, it isn't. The environment is intermittent. *Sigh* Software can be, and frequently is intermittent. Trust me on this... The code is not intermittent, only the causal triggers vary making it appear intermittent. Trevor. |
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wrote in message ... Dah.......... And how exactly bad solder joint can cause EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM in 4 different units? It's called automatic fabrication. Poor solder masks can easily lead to consistantly bad solder joints. (I'm Not saying that is the most likely cause however.) Trevor. |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... This is the absolute cheapest bargain basement gear. You should be pleased that it works at all given how cheaply it is made. Exactly, but I do give credit to Behringer for selling their cheaply made gear cheaply, rather than charging more money for cheaply made gear as some other manufacturers do. Especially so before Behrenger entered the SR market and forced the bottom end prices down, thus making them affordable for the occasional user. As I always say, you can only guarantee you get what you pay for at the bottom. Higher quality always costs more, but paying more is no guarantee of higher quality unfortunately. Trevor. |
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"Gareth Magennis" wrote in message ... Then contemplate buying a Neve instead, you may gain a little perspective. Yes, the owners of Behringer mixers can obviously afford Neve instead :-) Trevor. |
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"Ralf R. Radermacher" wrote in message ... wrote: There are already 4 units out there (and still counting) with EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM. Need more evidence of design flaw? Four out of how many thousand? Yes, we do indeed need more evidence. Come back if you've found... what shall we say... 400 faulty units? It's quite possible there are 400 faulty units, and 396 people not making an issue of it. Trevor. |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message ... This may be different on modern digital consoles (which have their own set of problems) but every mixer that I've known about that has a built-in effect unit has been compromised in one way or another. They want to add this feature for people who want it, but they don't want to make the mixer any more expensive because of it. Funny, the Behringer mixers with FX all cost more than the equivalent models without FX. Most of low range have the choice, and you gain absolutely nothing but a cost saving by opting out. Trevor. |
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On 7/31/2013 2:14 AM, Trevor wrote:
Funny, the Behringer mixers with FX all cost more than the equivalent models without FX. Most of low range have the choice, and you gain absolutely nothing but a cost saving by opting out. Yes, that is funny. Most companies that make mixers don't have nearly as many products in their mixer line as Behringer does. I guess that the way they build 'em, it's not difficult to punch a couple more holes in the chassis, stick in an FX chip, and charge a little more than the same design without FX. They go the other way, too, putting the same X-32 mixer guts in several different packages differing only by the number and type of input and output connectors, number of knobs, and display. It's a good approach to being able to satisfy a wide range of customers without having a large number of individual designs. Mackie, on the other hand, doesn't have a 1640i with a built in effect processor. They expect that you'll want to choose your own so they don't make you spend your money on theirs. If you want a mixer with built-in effects, you need to get one from the ProFX series which, like Behringer's, is designated "pro." -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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In article , Trevor wrote:
"Gareth Magennis" wrote in message ... Then contemplate buying a Neve instead, you may gain a little perspective. Yes, the owners of Behringer mixers can obviously afford Neve instead :-) You can buy one console that will last fifty years or you can buy fifty consoles that last one year.... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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In article , Mike Rivers wrote:
Yes, that is funny. Most companies that make mixers don't have nearly as many products in their mixer line as Behringer does. I guess that the way they build 'em, it's not difficult to punch a couple more holes in the chassis, stick in an FX chip, and charge a little more than the same design without FX. They go the other way, too, putting the same X-32 mixer guts in several different packages differing only by the number and type of input and output connectors, number of knobs, and display. It's a good approach to being able to satisfy a wide range of customers without having a large number of individual designs. Bingo. Some of the companies doing this sort of thing (and I don't know if Behringer is in that category) sell multiple products with different feature sets and sometimes even totally different functions, which mostly differ in software. Swap out the ROM, and your equalizer turns into a compressor.... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:48:28 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article , Trevor wrote: "Gareth Magennis" wrote in message ... Then contemplate buying a Neve instead, you may gain a little perspective. Yes, the owners of Behringer mixers can obviously afford Neve instead :-) You can buy one console that will last fifty years or you can buy fifty consoles that last one year.... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Which console will last 50 years if you drag it around on the live gigs at 5 times a week avrg? |
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On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:42:38 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
wrote in message ... I tried it every possible way. Nothing that I do in mixer section has any effect on FX processor. And there is no way to route FX anywhere. FX processor is hard wired to Mains/Control room. There is only SOLO button that lets you listen FX only on Control outs. It has no effect on the problem. I'd suggest you send it/them in and get them fixed. Or throw them away and get something else. What do you hope to acheive by continuing your seemingly increasingly pointless crusade here ? geoff What crusade? I am doing great service to gigging musicians warning potential buyers about design defect. And there is no need to throw them away. Mixes section works pretty good for the $$. Clean, quiet, not even noisy pots and sliders typical for Behringer. Still make good versatile submixers. But spending more money on shipping and repairs than what I payed for the unit is not very bright idea. |
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On 7/31/2013 8:51 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Bingo. Some of the companies doing this sort of thing (and I don't know if Behringer is in that category) sell multiple products with different feature sets and sometimes even totally different functions, which mostly differ in software. Swap out the ROM, and your equalizer turns into a compressor.... I tried for three years to get PreSonus to make a different version of the StudioLive software that would make it a much more usable studio console, but they seem to be selling as many as they want as it is. And honestly, I'm not sure how good an investment in a different software version would be since the market for studio consoles is small while the market for live sound consoles is still strong. They could sell a lot more of them to studios, though, if they were able to make it work as a DAW control surface. It seems like they have all the building blocks since there's a bi-directional control application for it - move a fader on the console and it moves a fader on the on-screen graphic. Seems like they could use that same data stream to generate MIDI continuous control messages, or even better, translate them to HUI, and send that on to the DAW through the same Firewire cable that sends the digital audio data. But then I"m not the marketing department, and they're the ones who figure out what to sell. The live sound people now want motorized faders so they can see where the faders are audio-wise when they recall a scene instead of using the present clumsy "zero the fader while you have a chance" system. Putting in motorized faders would be a big jump in cost, but they could take a lesson for how faders are zeroed in non-moving-fader automated consoles, but noooooooo, they like it the way it is. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:02:52 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote: Which console will last 50 years if you drag it around on the live gigs at 5 times a week avrg? I know someone who has been doing that with a Tapco of all things. She's up to nearly 40 years now. It's had new caps and a bunch of new pots, but it's still the same Tapco. I think 90% of the reason for this is that the Tapco controls are not directly board-mounted. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Tapco is low end line of Mackie. Does Mackie lasts even more than that? I have 15 year old Mackie 32-8, but it never left the studio. |
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On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:02:26 PM UTC-5, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/31/2013 10:33 AM, wrote: Which console will last 50 years if you drag it around on the live gigs at 5 times a week avrg? None of them will if you drag them around carelessly and without protection, just about any one will if you take care of it. But that was really a rhetorical question since most bands won't last 50 years being dragged around on live gigs five days a week. But other than those who choose disposable mixers like your Behringer, most people who buy quality equipment can use it until it no longer meets their needs, and then sell it as a working unit rather than throw it away. The good part about using a disposable mixer is that you know exactly how much it will cost, though you may not know how long it will last. A mixer that can go for 50 years will likely require some service within the time you're using it, and that adds to the cost. If you buy a $200 mixer and throw it away after a year, it costs you $200/year. If you buy a $4,000 mixer and need a couple of $250 repairs over 10 years life, after which you can re-sell it for $2,500, it costs you the same $200/year, but you have a better mixer to work with over that whole time period. And how come a musician (you?) who plays five nights a week can't afford anything better than a Behringer mixer? -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com I buy what I need. Not what I can afford. And My 10+ year old Behringer UB222FX still doing fine with a little maintenance I did myself. |
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On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:02:52 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote: wrote: I know someone who has been doing that with a Tapco of all things. She's up to nearly 40 years now. It's had new caps and a bunch of new pots, but it's still the same Tapco. I think 90% of the reason for this is that the Tapco controls are not directly board-mounted. Tapco is low end line of Mackie. Does Mackie lasts even more than that? I have 15 year old Mackie 32-8, but it never left the studio. I would be worried about the current Mackies because the controls are board mounted, so if there is stress on the panel or the frame it is apt to damage the controls. The advantage of the old Tapcos is that the whole frame can flex without damage. A lot of older mixers were built that way, but it's much more expensive than putting everything on the board because it requires hand assembly. So you will only find that sort of construction on more expensive products today. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. Crazy and Stupid is anybody who thinks that technician in repair center is going to spent hours on your unit waiting for intermittent problem to show up. I sent units with intermittent problems to Akai and Rolland without any results. I did emailed Behringer twice with question about design flow and got only auto-response. In the mean time I would have to cancel the gigs or to buy another unit. |
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John Williamson wrote:
seriouslysadmusic214 wrote: What crusade? I am doing great service to gigging musicians warning potential buyers about design defect. And there is no need to throw them away. Mixes section works pretty good for the $$. Clean, quiet, not even noisy pots and sliders typical for Behringer. Still make good versatile submixers. But spending more money on shipping and repairs than what I payed for the unit is not very bright idea. Your apparent crusade to get people to stop buying Behringer gear, apparently because a small sample of one model of mixer show up with the same problem, which Behringer have asked for your co-operation in fixing, in order that changes may be made to stop is happening again. *That* crusade. Anyone who's been offered and refused a free of charge out of warranty repair on a defective unit and turned it down is, according to my thinking, crazy or stupid. Put it in a box and send it back to Behringer. Then they can investigate and find out whether it's a design flaw, a bad batch of chips, a bad batch of boards or something totally different, Coming onto usenet and whining that *in your opinion* there's a design fault, but you're not willing to let the maker investigate the problem, is futile and not in your interest if you are trying to prove yourself to be a credible poster. For your information, this is not a Google Group, but is a usenet group that Google present through an inferior interface, which is often used by those with little comprehension of how things work. Hold your calls, folks; we have our winning post. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://hankandshaidrimusic.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic |
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On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. Crazy and Stupid is anybody who thinks that technician in repair center is going to spent hours on your unit waiting for intermittent problem to show up. I sent units with intermittent problems to Akai and Rolland without any results. I did emailed Behringer twice with question about design flow and got only auto-response. In the mean time I would have to cancel the gigs or to buy another unit. Now you are lying by omission, you previously told us that the response was a request for you to send the defective unit in for repairs. That you didn't do. So get it done and stop whining. If some hardware is mission critical then you a) do not buy "toy grade" or "weekend warrior grade" and b) take care that you have sufficiant redundancy to ensure that hardware failure does not render you unable to do a promised job. The design flaw that matters is that you designed you rig incompetently. It is not Behringers fault that you would have had to cancel jobs because of sending defective hardware in for warranty repair, it is your, your only. Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:06:17 PM UTC-5, Peter Larsen wrote:
wrote: On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. Crazy and Stupid is anybody who thinks that technician in repair center is going to spent hours on your unit waiting for intermittent problem to show up. I sent units with intermittent problems to Akai and Rolland without any results. I did emailed Behringer twice with question about design flow and got only auto-response. In the mean time I would have to cancel the gigs or to buy another unit. Now you are lying by omission, you previously told us that the response was a request for you to send the defective unit in for repairs. That you didn't do. So get it done and stop whining. If some hardware is mission critical then you a) do not buy "toy grade" or "weekend warrior grade" and b) take care that you have sufficiant redundancy to ensure that hardware failure does not render you unable to do a promised job. The design flaw that matters is that you designed you rig incompetently. It is not Behringers fault that you would have had to cancel jobs because of sending defective hardware in for warranty repair, it is your, your only. Kind regards Peter Larsen Where did you extrapolated all that nonsense from? I said I received standard auto-response saying send the unit to service center. And if you know of any better unit that suits my needs, name it. Don't just blabber off your mouth. |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:02:52 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote: wrote: I know someone who has been doing that with a Tapco of all things. She's up to nearly 40 years now. It's had new caps and a bunch of new pots, but it's still the same Tapco. I think 90% of the reason for this is that the Tapco controls are not directly board-mounted. Tapco is low end line of Mackie. Does Mackie lasts even more than that? I have 15 year old Mackie 32-8, but it never left the studio. I would be worried about the current Mackies because the controls are board mounted, so if there is stress on the panel or the frame it is apt to damage the controls. The advantage of the old Tapcos is that the whole frame can flex without damage. A lot of older mixers were built that way, but it's much more expensive than putting everything on the board because it requires hand assembly. So you will only find that sort of construction on more expensive products today. --scott Here's a series to avoid in that respect: http://sales.adlibsolutions.co.uk/ya...n¤cy=GBP For some unfathomable reason, Yamaha elected to fit knobs on this mixer series that were a smaller diameter than the holes punched in the top panel. Since all the pots are PCB mounted in groups of 6 channels, that means that pressure or a blow to the top surface forces all the knobs through the top panel, breaking the PCB's. I have seen a few of these catastophes now, and still scratch my head, wondering what on earth Yamaha were thinking. Gareth. |
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On 7/31/2013 4:58 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:
For some unfathomable reason, Yamaha elected to fit knobs on this mixer series that were a smaller diameter than the holes punched in the top panel. Since all the pots are PCB mounted in groups of 6 channels, that means that pressure or a blow to the top surface forces all the knobs through the top panel, breaking the PCB's. You can break anything if you try hard enough. I once repaired a Soundcraft 200 mixer that had some intermittent channels. The problem turned out to be that on a few modules, the put mounting lugs had sheared. Each channel was on a module with the circuit board perpendicular to the top panel. The pots were mounted to the board with solder lugs and nuts through the top panel of the module, so the pots couldn't go anywhere if the mixer took a hit on the knobs. But the only thing holding the circuit board in place was the pot lugs (leads). I suspect that what happened was that someone dropped the console on its back, the case stopped when the back hit the deck, but the board tried to keep moving and broke off a couple of the mounting leads in the process. This wasn't a cheap mixer, but still, you're not supposed to drop it. Was this a design defect? Some would call it that, others would just say it was a case of bad luck and extreme mishandling. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On 7/31/2013 2:44 PM, wrote:
Crazy and Stupid is anybody who thinks that technician in repair center is going to spent hours on your unit waiting for intermittent problem to show up. If there are enough of the same intermittent, it's only good business to find out why it's occurring. As many have said, it's likely to be a manufacturing process gone wrong that can be corrected, or maybe already has been corrected. Probably what they'd do is not wait around to repair your mixer, but rather send you a new or refurbished one to get you going again as quickly as possible. Then if they want to assign your mixer to a technician and let him spend months with it, that's their business. Behringer has a HUGE facility in China and they could easily do that. Did anyone contact you with shipping information yet? Ask them to send you a prepaid shipping label. I'm sure they'd do it. I did emailed Behringer twice with question about design flow and got only auto-response. That's not the kind of question that companies like Behringer answer. But it sounds like you're refusing the help that they've offered you on the assumption that they won't pay for shipping. As Fletcher used to say: "Our motto- We're not happy until you're not happy." -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On 7/31/2013 3:46 PM, Thread Ender wrote:
This thread is now ended. No, it isn't. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message ... On 7/31/2013 4:58 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote: For some unfathomable reason, Yamaha elected to fit knobs on this mixer series that were a smaller diameter than the holes punched in the top panel. Since all the pots are PCB mounted in groups of 6 channels, that means that pressure or a blow to the top surface forces all the knobs through the top panel, breaking the PCB's. You can break anything if you try hard enough. I once repaired a Soundcraft 200 mixer that had some intermittent channels. The problem turned out to be that on a few modules, the put mounting lugs had sheared. Each channel was on a module with the circuit board perpendicular to the top panel. The pots were mounted to the board with solder lugs and nuts through the top panel of the module, so the pots couldn't go anywhere if the mixer took a hit on the knobs. But the only thing holding the circuit board in place was the pot lugs (leads). I suspect that what happened was that someone dropped the console on its back, the case stopped when the back hit the deck, but the board tried to keep moving and broke off a couple of the mounting leads in the process. This wasn't a cheap mixer, but still, you're not supposed to drop it. Was this a design defect? Some would call it that, others would just say it was a case of bad luck and extreme mishandling. Yes, but the Yamaha can be destroyed simply by someone with a fat arse sitting on it, the 200B would not even notice. This sometimes happens in the back of a van. Gareth. |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... I would be worried about the current Mackies because the controls are board mounted, so if there is stress on the panel or the frame it is apt to damage the controls. The 1202 I have is built so that the knobs are very close to the panel, the manual specifically points out that it is done with the objective of protecting the pcb. Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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Gareth Magennis wrote:
For some unfathomable reason, Yamaha elected to fit knobs on this mixer series that were a smaller diameter than the holes punched in the top panel. Since all the pots are PCB mounted in groups of 6 channels, that means that pressure or a blow to the top surface forces all the knobs through the top panel, breaking the PCB's. I have seen a few of these catastophes now, and still scratch my head, wondering what on earth Yamaha were thinking. Maybe they hired the same people who designed those Alesis consoles with the resistive elements deposited on the main board.... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 7/31/2013 5:24 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/31/2013 3:46 PM, Thread Ender wrote: This thread is now ended. No, it isn't. Hell the discussion hasn't even gotten close to Godwin's Rule. == Later... Ron Capik -- |
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