I'm not. I have a problem with my Beringers.

10 years ago this was a forum for audio.

I am now taking anybody to task with this.

I am happy with my system. But there are a few idiosyncrasies.

Is anyone willing to address them?

Is this still an audio group?

I have Berry 2030A's and they boom in the midbass. They are butted up to a
half inch drywall and in a corner configuration. I have added bass isolators
and made positional adjustments du jour, but I can't seem to get them to
respond flatly. They sound quite responsive, very fine detail, soundstage,
but the midbass is bloated.

I am playing Steely Dan vinyl into my new desktop with an SL1200 (I know, I
got it for cost). My box is recent, Intel board, CoolerMaster Centurion box.
I would like to think that the PS is carrying everything well because I have
had no glitches ever. I did build the box myself, everything works. Stax
phones sound absolutely as perfect as they can be, btw.

So what, in my environment, do I need to expand my space? Do I need damping
on the walls? Do I need different speaks?

This has got to be a typical apartment problem. Big, stupid midbass sucks.
And there's no recourse at this point but putting the stax on.

Any help?

Even after the scolding I have given this mass of audio people? Was it a
scolding? I don't even know. I come by here once every few months to see
what's going on, because I found some credible and useful advice here years
ago. It isn't the same neighborhood I visited then, but I think there are
some enlightened peeps here nonetheless.

And I guess that's all I have to say on that subject.

"tubeguy" wrote in message
m...
I'm not. I have a problem with my Beringers.

10 years ago this was a forum for audio.

I am now taking anybody to task with this.

I am happy with my system. But there are a few idiosyncrasies.

Is anyone willing to address them?

Is this still an audio group?

I have Berry 2030A's and they boom in the midbass. They are butted up to a
half inch drywall and in a corner configuration.

I'm not familiar with the speakers but that position doesn't sound ideal to
me.

What do they sound like in a reasonable room away from walls and corners.
If they still sound bloated... then I'd say it's the speakers or something
else in your system.

You also mentioned you listening to vinyl... does it sound the same on CD?
Maybe your arm/cart combo is a problem.


I have added bass isolators

How about a bass trap?

and made positional adjustments du jour, but I can't seem to get them to
respond flatly. They sound quite responsive, very fine detail, soundstage,
but the midbass is bloated.

I am playing Steely Dan vinyl into my new desktop with an SL1200 (I know,
I got it for cost).

What preamp? Another possibility.

My box is recent, Intel board, CoolerMaster Centurion box. I would like to
think that the PS is carrying everything well because I have had no
glitches ever. I did build the box myself, everything works. Stax phones
sound absolutely as perfect as they can be, btw.

So what, in my environment, do I need to expand my space? Do I need
damping on the walls? Do I need different speaks?

This has got to be a typical apartment problem. Big, stupid midbass sucks.
And there's no recourse at this point but putting the stax on.

Any help?

Even after the scolding I have given this mass of audio people? Was it a
scolding? I don't even know. I come by here once every few months to see
what's going on, because I found some credible and useful advice here
years ago.

Hey... you still can. But coming by once every 3 months and scolding people
for not sticking to your program is a bit absurd don't you think?

I'm sick to death of the ABX discussion yet it's the most consistently
raised
audio topic on the group. I'd way rather talk politics than ABX.
I do try to flag with an OT indicator on my threads so if
you can't figure out how to skip a
thread... then I think there is very little hope you will figure out your
sound problem.

ScottW

In article ,
"tubeguy" wrote:

I'm not. I have a problem with my Beringers.

If the problem's that "the treble sounds like 2 people having a sword
fight 3 inches from my ear drum," you're not the first one to complain
about it.

10 years ago this was a forum for audio.

I am now taking anybody to task with this.

I am happy with my system. But there are a few idiosyncrasies.

Is anyone willing to address them?

Is this still an audio group?

Sure.

I have Berry 2030A's and they boom in the midbass. They are butted up to a
half inch drywall and in a corner configuration. I have added bass isolators
and made positional adjustments du jour, but I can't seem to get them to
respond flatly. They sound quite responsive, very fine detail, soundstage,
but the midbass is bloated.

Many small box speakers are voiced with that tendency to make up for the
inevitable lack of bass. I'd guess that placing them so close to the
walls is reinforcing a mid-bass bump. I don't think these have rear
ports, but if so, that could also contribute.

I am playing Steely Dan vinyl into my new desktop with an SL1200 (I know, I
got it for cost). My box is recent, Intel board, CoolerMaster Centurion box.
I would like to think that the PS is carrying everything well because I have
had no glitches ever. I did build the box myself, everything works. Stax
phones sound absolutely as perfect as they can be, btw.

So what, in my environment, do I need to expand my space? Do I need damping
on the walls? Do I need different speaks?

This has got to be a typical apartment problem. Big, stupid midbass sucks.
And there's no recourse at this point but putting the stax on.

Any help?

An easy thing to try is to get them away from the wall. You may not have
the space for stands, but you could try a table or desk top or mixing
board to see if that helps.

Alternatives? Epos has speakers in the same price range (not powered, of
course, and still bass reflex):

http://www.stereophile.com/loudspeakerreviews/104epos/

I guess Wharfedale has powered monitors, too, but I don't know how they
would compare.

Even after the scolding I have given this mass of audio people? Was it a
scolding? I don't even know. I come by here once every few months to see
what's going on, because I found some credible and useful advice here years
ago. It isn't the same neighborhood I visited then, but I think there are
some enlightened peeps here nonetheless.

And I guess that's all I have to say on that subject.

No problem,

Stephen

On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:05:22 -0700, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

I have Berry 2030A's and they boom in the midbass. They are butted up to a
half inch drywall and in a corner configuration.

I'm not familiar with the speakers but that position doesn't sound ideal to
me.

I'd have to agree with ScottW here.

I'm not familiar with the speaker referenced either, but rarely do
speakers sound anything but bloated when put in a corner (unless they
are specifically designed for that location). Also, speakers don't
sound their best when butted up to a rear wall. Even Allisons, which
are designed to work well close to the back wall, sound better when at
least 6 inches from the back wall.

I'd bring them well out in the room and see what happens. If you lose
too much bass, you could consider a subwoofer. If you won't (or can't)
bring them out in the room, you could invest in a parametric EQ and
dial the midbass back a bit. And if you DO bring them out in the room,
get them away from the side walls. If you're having to work in a
narrow room on the short wall then you obviously won't bring them in
quite as much as you would working with the long wall as the rear
wall.

If it doesn't sound all that good at first, don't give up. Moving the
speakers a few inches left and right or up and down can make a lot of
difference. Try four positions fairly far apart and decide which
sounds the best and then experiment with placement from there. Try
different toe-in angles as well. You might find that, depending on
your furniture layout, unconventional angles MIGHT actually work. You
should try to keep them in the same plane though.

One thing that comes to mind is that if this is a "typical apartment"
situation as you describe, you might simply have an overfurnished room
that's dampening the sound excessively and throwing off the balance of
the speaker enough to overemphasize the midbass. You might try some
tricks like adding glass to the reflective points on the side walls
(IIRC, you can draw a line around 45 degrees from the speaker and put
a mirror on each sidewall at that point). This might change the
balance enough to compensate for the midbass bloat. Just throwing some
stuff out there worth experimenting with.

"ScottW" wrote in message
news:Yk4Je.13018$Tr6.11638@lakeread02...

"tubeguy" wrote in message
m...
I'm not. I have a problem with my Beringers.

10 years ago this was a forum for audio.

I am now taking anybody to task with this.

I am happy with my system. But there are a few idiosyncrasies.

Is anyone willing to address them?

Is this still an audio group?

I have Berry 2030A's and they boom in the midbass. They are butted up to
a half inch drywall and in a corner configuration.

I'm not familiar with the speakers but that position doesn't sound ideal
to me.

Dang, thanks for the quick response!

It is by design. I don't like the positioning either, but they are supposed
to be professional studio monitors, balanced for placement up against walls,
which just kills me because my walls are obviously thin crappy drywall.

What do they sound like in a reasonable room away from walls and corners.
If they still sound bloated... then I'd say it's the speakers or something
else in your system.

I have not tried them in a traditional setup because they are supposed to be
nearfield monitors, and I got them for that purpose. I will put them on some
old sand-filled stands I have and check them out, but not for a few days, I
am having too much fun listening to them through an EQ at this point.

You also mentioned you listening to vinyl... does it sound the same on CD?
Maybe your arm/cart combo is a problem.

Great point but there is no significant difference in frequency response.
There is the obvious depth and liquidity difference with vinyl, but there is
no significant difference with CDs or vinyl.

I have added bass isolators

How about a bass trap?

and made positional adjustments du jour, but I can't seem to get them to
respond flatly. They sound quite responsive, very fine detail,
soundstage, but the midbass is bloated.

I am playing Steely Dan vinyl into my new desktop with an SL1200 (I know,
I got it for cost).

What preamp? Another possibility.

Right into my computer. I have no issues with my preamp. It is an external
device. Ruled that out right away. No details here, it is a device I
"inherited" through somewhat underhanded yet morally justifiable means.

My box is recent, Intel board, CoolerMaster Centurion box. I would like to
think that the PS is carrying everything well because I have had no
glitches ever. I did build the box myself, everything works. Stax phones
sound absolutely as perfect as they can be, btw.

So what, in my environment, do I need to expand my space? Do I need
damping on the walls? Do I need different speaks?

This has got to be a typical apartment problem. Big, stupid midbass
sucks. And there's no recourse at this point but putting the stax on.

Any help?

Even after the scolding I have given this mass of audio people? Was it a
scolding? I don't even know. I come by here once every few months to see
what's going on, because I found some credible and useful advice here
years ago.

Hey... you still can. But coming by once every 3 months and scolding
people
for not sticking to your program is a bit absurd don't you think?

I am thinking that I went overboard with my initial post. I regret my
initial manner. I just think that this forum should be about getting good
sound, not petty infighting. If you don't like what somebody posts, just
block them. It is quite absurd to rail on about how this person and that
person is doing whatever. You are right. I was wrong.

I'm sick to death of the ABX discussion yet it's the most consistently
raised
audio topic on the group. I'd way rather talk politics than ABX.
I do try to flag with an OT indicator on my threads so if
you can't figure out how to skip a
thread... then I think there is very little hope you will figure out your
sound problem.

I hope you have not decided to flag my posts. There is an inherent value to
music that I think has not been realized by the general public. Music has
the ability to communicate feeleing and situatuation, and that aspect of
music has been trivialized by modern production techniques. That is not a
bad thing per se, but this poster thinks that this is a bad trend. Steely
Dan is the epitome of class and accomplishment, and I can say that I have
purchased all of their commercially available works. There are some bootlegs
that I have on my hard drive, but this is only because I have a deep love
for their art. What I mean is that there is a final and definitive voice of
musical art, and the selection of music. What I have is, I feel, definitive
of that, at least in today's terms.

But back to my issue, which really isn't a big one, but more one suited to
this forum. I have this midbass (200-500) bug in my resposnse. I guess what
I should have been asking is how does one quell the midbass resonence in a
cheap, slapdash, Chicago apartment built in the 60's?

Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm thinking that there is a space between
the brick wall and the drywall that is cantributing to the cause of this
response disparity between reference and what I hear.

.....I have to go pee....

ScottW

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"tubeguy" wrote:

I'm not. I have a problem with my Beringers.

If the problem's that "the treble sounds like 2 people having a sword
fight 3 inches from my ear drum," you're not the first one to complain
about it.

10 years ago this was a forum for audio.

I am now taking anybody to task with this.

I am happy with my system. But there are a few idiosyncrasies.

Is anyone willing to address them?

Is this still an audio group?

Sure.

I have Berry 2030A's and they boom in the midbass. They are butted up to
a
half inch drywall and in a corner configuration. I have added bass
isolators
and made positional adjustments du jour, but I can't seem to get them to
respond flatly. They sound quite responsive, very fine detail,
soundstage,
but the midbass is bloated.

Many small box speakers are voiced with that tendency to make up for the
inevitable lack of bass. I'd guess that placing them so close to the
walls is reinforcing a mid-bass bump. I don't think these have rear
ports, but if so, that could also contribute.

I am playing Steely Dan vinyl into my new desktop with an SL1200 (I know,
I
got it for cost). My box is recent, Intel board, CoolerMaster Centurion
box.
I would like to think that the PS is carrying everything well because I
have
had no glitches ever. I did build the box myself, everything works. Stax
phones sound absolutely as perfect as they can be, btw.

So what, in my environment, do I need to expand my space? Do I need
damping
on the walls? Do I need different speaks?

This has got to be a typical apartment problem. Big, stupid midbass
sucks.
And there's no recourse at this point but putting the stax on.

Any help?

An easy thing to try is to get them away from the wall. You may not have
the space for stands, but you could try a table or desk top or mixing
board to see if that helps.

Alternatives? Epos has speakers in the same price range (not powered, of
course, and still bass reflex):

http://www.stereophile.com/loudspeakerreviews/104epos/

I guess Wharfedale has powered monitors, too, but I don't know how they
would compare.

Even after the scolding I have given this mass of audio people? Was it a
scolding? I don't even know. I come by here once every few months to see
what's going on, because I found some credible and useful advice here
years
ago. It isn't the same neighborhood I visited then, but I think there are
some enlightened peeps here nonetheless.

And I guess that's all I have to say on that subject.

No problem,

Stephen

Thanks for the replay.

Everybody I know thinks I should get them away from the wall, but when I do
that the sound sucks out. I think I have to either reinforce the walls or
set up my room differently.

It's not about transparency, it's about frequency response. If I could get
the berries to put out the right balance, I would be happy, happy, happy.
They excel at accuracy, timbre and balance. They are completely accurate in
every other respect. Such a perfect monitor I have never heard. It's just
that midbass hump that drives me up the wall.

Of course, I can EQ it. When going though the eq it is pristine. But I want
to hear it without EQ, totally unencumbered by correction. What can these
things really do? That's what I want to know.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

"tubeguy" wrote in message
m...
I'm not. I have a problem with my Beringers.

10 years ago this was a forum for audio.

I am now taking anybody to task with this.

I am happy with my system. But there are a few idiosyncrasies.

Is anyone willing to address them?

Is this still an audio group?

I have Berry 2030A's and they boom in the midbass. They are butted up to
a
half inch drywall and in a corner configuration. I have added bass
isolators
and made positional adjustments du jour, but I can't seem to get them to
respond flatly. They sound quite responsive, very fine detail,
soundstage,
but the midbass is bloated.

This sound like one of the few problems that could be markedly improved
with
an equalizer.
If you want to do it right, get a parametric eq, and an SPL meter.

Normally, room reflection problems are not handled well by eq's. However,
since this is a corner anomaly, the corner is horn-loading the driver.
This
can be fixed, but a corner horn has such a huge effect, you couldn't knock
it down with "tweaks". This requires real medicine.

You haven't complained about the octaves above this, but the configuration
in which the speakers are placed causes overlapping early reflections that
smears the sound and does alter the frequency response there as well. For
further improvement (after you install the eq), pad the area behind,
above,
and to the side of the speakers with absorbers. Although Sonex foam is
well
known to be a nonideal absorber, I use it myself, and it markedly improved
the definition.

You hit the nail on the head, but I want to hear them without EQ. I think at
this point I have no choice but to hook my good eq up to this system. While
I have a basic eq already in there, it is not granular enough to got the
lead out, so to speak. So thanks, I do appreciate your input.

In article ,
"tubeguy" wrote:

Thanks for the replay.

Everybody I know thinks I should get them away from the wall, but when I do
that the sound sucks out. I think I have to either reinforce the walls or
set up my room differently.

A combo of losing the wall reinforcement and the dread 'Allison effect.'

It's not about transparency, it's about frequency response. If I could get
the berries to put out the right balance, I would be happy, happy, happy.
They excel at accuracy, timbre and balance. They are completely accurate in
every other respect. Such a perfect monitor I have never heard. It's just
that midbass hump that drives me up the wall.

In your other post, you equate "near-field" style with wall placement.
You might rethink that expectation; monitors are sometimes meant to be
well away from room boundaries, maybe on top of mixing boards (sorry to
repeat myself!).

The web site says these go down to 50 hz, which can be satisfying but
isn't deep bass, but, if true, is good for sub-matching should you go
that route.

Of course, I can EQ it. When going though the eq it is pristine. But I want
to hear it without EQ, totally unencumbered by correction. What can these
things really do? That's what I want to know.

It's good you're confident of the rest of your rig!

Stephen

"tubeguy" wrote in message
m...

"ScottW" wrote in message
news:Yk4Je.13018$Tr6.11638@lakeread02...

"tubeguy" wrote in message
m...
I'm not. I have a problem with my Beringers.

10 years ago this was a forum for audio.

I am now taking anybody to task with this.

I am happy with my system. But there are a few idiosyncrasies.

Is anyone willing to address them?

Is this still an audio group?

I have Berry 2030A's and they boom in the midbass. They are butted up to
a half inch drywall and in a corner configuration.

I'm not familiar with the speakers but that position doesn't sound ideal
to me.

Dang, thanks for the quick response!

It is by design. I don't like the positioning either, but they are
supposed to be professional studio monitors, balanced for placement up
against walls, which just kills me because my walls are obviously thin
crappy drywall.

Aren't studio walls usually treated? Very little exposed flat, highly
reflective
drywall? But that usually impacts the "brightness" not flabby mid bass.


What do they sound like in a reasonable room away from walls and corners.
If they still sound bloated... then I'd say it's the speakers or
something
else in your system.

I have not tried them in a traditional setup because they are supposed to
be nearfield monitors, and I got them for that purpose. I will put them on
some old sand-filled stands I have and check them out, but not for a few
days, I am having too much fun listening to them through an EQ at this
point.

You also mentioned you listening to vinyl... does it sound the same on
CD?
Maybe your arm/cart combo is a problem.

Great point but there is no significant difference in frequency response.
There is the obvious depth and liquidity difference with vinyl, but there
is no significant difference with CDs or vinyl.

I have added bass isolators

How about a bass trap?

and made positional adjustments du jour, but I can't seem to get them to
respond flatly. They sound quite responsive, very fine detail,
soundstage, but the midbass is bloated.

I am playing Steely Dan vinyl into my new desktop with an SL1200 (I
know, I got it for cost).

What preamp? Another possibility.

Right into my computer. I have no issues with my preamp. It is an external
device. Ruled that out right away. No details here, it is a device I
"inherited" through somewhat underhanded yet morally justifiable means.

My box is recent, Intel board, CoolerMaster Centurion box. I would like
to think that the PS is carrying everything well because I have had no
glitches ever. I did build the box myself, everything works. Stax phones
sound absolutely as perfect as they can be, btw.

So what, in my environment, do I need to expand my space? Do I need
damping on the walls? Do I need different speaks?

This has got to be a typical apartment problem. Big, stupid midbass
sucks. And there's no recourse at this point but putting the stax on.

Any help?

Even after the scolding I have given this mass of audio people? Was it a
scolding? I don't even know. I come by here once every few months to see
what's going on, because I found some credible and useful advice here
years ago.

Hey... you still can. But coming by once every 3 months and scolding
people
for not sticking to your program is a bit absurd don't you think?

I am thinking that I went overboard with my initial post. I regret my
initial manner. I just think that this forum should be about getting good
sound, not petty infighting. If you don't like what somebody posts, just
block them. It is quite absurd to rail on about how this person and that
person is doing whatever. You are right. I was wrong.

thanks, I was almost feeling guilty for my OT posts .

I'm sick to death of the ABX discussion yet it's the most consistently
raised
audio topic on the group. I'd way rather talk politics than ABX.
I do try to flag with an OT indicator on my threads so if
you can't figure out how to skip a
thread... then I think there is very little hope you will figure out your
sound problem.

I hope you have not decided to flag my posts. There is an inherent value
to music that I think has not been realized by the general public. Music
has the ability to communicate feeleing and situatuation, and that aspect
of music has been trivialized by modern production techniques. That is not
a bad thing per se, but this poster thinks that this is a bad trend.
Steely Dan is the epitome of class and accomplishment, and I can say that
I have purchased all of their commercially available works. There are some
bootlegs that I have on my hard drive, but this is only because I have a
deep love for their art. What I mean is that there is a final and
definitive voice of musical art, and the selection of music. What I have
is, I feel, definitive of that, at least in today's terms.

But back to my issue, which really isn't a big one, but more one suited to
this forum. I have this midbass (200-500) bug in my resposnse. I guess
what I should have been asking is how does one quell the midbass resonence
in a cheap, slapdash, Chicago apartment built in the 60's?

Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm thinking that there is a space between
the brick wall and the drywall that is cantributing to the cause of this
response disparity between reference and what I hear.

Fill the wall cavity with expanding foam. Thats cheap and easy. If it
truly is
a resonant wall cavity.. that will help a lot. You can get cans of the
stuff
at home depot. Its really messy so try not to get in on stuff. And don't
overfill the wall... you can actually blow out the drywall


ScottW

"tubeguy" wrote in message
m...
I'm not. I have a problem with my Beringers.


snip whining

I have Berry 2030A's and they boom in the midbass. They are butted up to a
half inch drywall and in a corner configuration. I have added bass
isolators
and made positional adjustments du jour, but I can't seem to get them to
respond flatly. They sound quite responsive, very fine detail, soundstage,
but the midbass is bloated.

I am playing Steely Dan vinyl into my new desktop with an SL1200 (I know,
I
got it for cost). My box is recent, Intel board, CoolerMaster Centurion
box.
I would like to think that the PS is carrying everything well because I
have
had no glitches ever. I did build the box myself, everything works. Stax
phones sound absolutely as perfect as they can be, btw.

So what, in my environment, do I need to expand my space? Do I need
damping
on the walls? Do I need different speaks?


The Beringer's are near-field monitors. They are designed to provide
dispersion controlled, flat sound while sitting out in the open, on or just
in front of the console in a project studio control room. As such, the bass
will be optimized to be fairly flat down to 100hz or so in this position
(which is generally poor for bass). So when you put them in a corner,
against the wall you are increasing their bass output tremendously...and
they simply weren't designed for that.

If you want to use the speakers, use them correctly by putting them on
stands and getting them away from the wall. Barring that, find "bookshelf"
speakers that were actually designed for bookshelves/placement against the
wall. And get them away from the corners.

"tubeguy" wrote in message
m...
I'm not. I have a problem with my Beringers.

10 years ago this was a forum for audio.

I am now taking anybody to task with this.

I am happy with my system. But there are a few idiosyncrasies.

Is anyone willing to address them?

Is this still an audio group?

I have Berry 2030A's and they boom in the midbass. They are butted up to a
half inch drywall and in a corner configuration. I have added bass
isolators and made positional adjustments du jour, but I can't seem to get
them to respond flatly. They sound quite responsive, very fine detail,
soundstage, but the midbass is bloated.

I am playing Steely Dan vinyl into my new desktop with an SL1200 (I know,
I got it for cost). My box is recent, Intel board, CoolerMaster Centurion
box. I would like to think that the PS is carrying everything well because
I have had no glitches ever. I did build the box myself, everything works.
Stax phones sound absolutely as perfect as they can be, btw.

So what, in my environment, do I need to expand my space? Do I need
damping on the walls? Do I need different speaks?

This has got to be a typical apartment problem. Big, stupid midbass sucks.
And there's no recourse at this point but putting the stax on.

Any help?

Even after the scolding I have given this mass of audio people? Was it a
scolding? I don't even know. I come by here once every few months to see
what's going on, because I found some credible and useful advice here
years ago. It isn't the same neighborhood I visited then, but I think
there are some enlightened peeps here nonetheless.

And I guess that's all I have to say on that subject.

How about some sort of active EQ, Behringer makes some of those very
affordable, or you could go with one of the units from RANE.

I have Berry 2030A's and they boom in the midbass.

the ports don't help. I've got polystyrene wedged into the ports on
mine.
it helps clean up the bass end. packing foam might be better tho.

they sound a lot better once the amps have warmed up for an hour or so.

good luck.

the ports don't help. I've got polystyrene wedged into the ports on mine.

to clarify - the ports resonate (and probably rattle?) at certain
frequencies and to my ears the program material has little effect on
the sound they give out - so you end up with a generic bass/mid sound
which is no good for mixing. sticking foam in them reduces the effect
of the ports. cleaner sound more detail.

there are three tone controls. one of them rolls off the low end
cutoff point which may help combat your room acoustics. there's not
much useable bass down there anyway. keep the distance from the side
walls/backwalls different. and don't have them positioned in such a
way that the distance from the floor is the same as the distance from
the ceiling....

the Berry's are a bit bombastic so you have to 'over do' your mixes a
little otherwise they sound wimpy on other systems. I find it hard to
do this tho.

good luck.

"Garrt" wrote in message
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I have Berry 2030A's and they boom in the midbass.

the ports don't help. I've got polystyrene wedged into the ports on
mine.
it helps clean up the bass end. packing foam might be better tho.

they sound a lot better once the amps have warmed up for an hour or so.


It could also be that your ears get used to the sound after an hour. I had
the same experience with my Klipschorns. Truly horrible speakers :-)

Cheers,

Margaret

It could also be that your ears get used to the sound after an hour. I had
the same experience with my Klipschorns. Truly horrible speakers :-)

yeah, that's what I always thought but the difference is pretty big if
they've not been on all day. particularly the bass end.

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Margaret von B. said:

It could also be that your ears get used to the sound after an hour. I
had
the same experience with my Klipschorns. Truly horrible speakers :-)

So adaptability trumps audiophilia? Mediocrity supplants excellence?
Attention wanders? We need a moral for a story like that.


I think it is ultimately art supplanting technology. Until you are exposed
to something so much better that you cannot help but notice every time you
fire up your rig. Those Klipschorns are long gone.

As far as wandering attention goes, it may be preferable to some listeners.
A friend's initial admiration of my system has just gone sour for that very
reason. He claims he cannot relax while listening because "every single
minute detail just pops out" and "even the microdynamics are startling".
Therefore he cannot read or write or surf while he is listening. He finds
the whole experience "active", "demanding" and "tiring". !!??!!??!!??

I still think that it is exactly the way to go because live music is like
that - an active experience. However, it remains to be seen what happens
long term as my current setup is only a week old. And there's always the B&O
for the soothing nature sounds.

Cheers,

Margaret

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
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"tubeguy" wrote in message
m...
I'm not. I have a problem with my Beringers.


snip whining

I was whining?

I have Berry 2030A's and they boom in the midbass. They are butted up to
a
half inch drywall and in a corner configuration. I have added bass
isolators
and made positional adjustments du jour, but I can't seem to get them to
respond flatly. They sound quite responsive, very fine detail,
soundstage,
but the midbass is bloated.

I am playing Steely Dan vinyl into my new desktop with an SL1200 (I know,
I
got it for cost). My box is recent, Intel board, CoolerMaster Centurion
box.
I would like to think that the PS is carrying everything well because I
have
had no glitches ever. I did build the box myself, everything works. Stax
phones sound absolutely as perfect as they can be, btw.

So what, in my environment, do I need to expand my space? Do I need
damping
on the walls? Do I need different speaks?


The Beringer's are near-field monitors. They are designed to provide
dispersion controlled, flat sound while sitting out in the open, on or
just
in front of the console in a project studio control room. As such, the
bass
will be optimized to be fairly flat down to 100hz or so in this position
(which is generally poor for bass). So when you put them in a corner,
against the wall you are increasing their bass output tremendously...and
they simply weren't designed for that.

Makes sense. I got the wrong kind of speakers for my setup.

If you want to use the speakers, use them correctly by putting them on
stands and getting them away from the wall. Barring that, find
"bookshelf"
speakers that were actually designed for bookshelves/placement against the
wall. And get them away from the corners.

I have been looking for something more suitable. However, these were
designed to be put against a wall, as they have the connections coming up
under the back cage, so as to get as close to a wall as possible. I suppose
I could get a really good EQ, but I think I will be taking these to work and
getting some desktop speakers for home.