All this Linux talk piqued my interest, especially as it relates to my
wallet because I am tired of paying excessive amounts of money on
software that seems to be on a never ending upgrade mill.
So I decided to follow the advice of some other posts and give this
Linux Agnula thing a try. I've never used Linux before, but my Mac runs
OSX.

The bottom line is Agnula and Linux sucks for this kind of work.

Go he http://www.agnula.org/ and figure out what, where and how you
are supposed to download this pile of tripe.
Ok, Download seems like a good bet.
http://www.agnula.org/download/

So now I am met with what?
WTF *IS* this stuff?
Click on Gforge installation and you get met with this friendly page:
http://devel.agnula.org/

****! WTF! I want to install a Linux music system, not design one!

So finally I figure out where to get this beast, WTF RhMudi is I don't
know but it shows so promise as at least I see some ISO's there.

Looking in the INSTALL directory I am met with this little joy:

-----------------------------------------------------------------

How to install Rehmudi-2.0
--------------------------

A) Install From CDROM
-----------------

If you had already installed Fedora Core 1

1=2E insert cdrom Rehmudi-2.0 into the CDROM Drive
2=2E be root and execute "mount /mnt/cdrom" (mouting cdrom)
3=2E execute "cd /mnt/cdrom" (enter in the directory where there is
Rehmudi trees)
4=2E execute "./install.sh" (install Rehmudi)
5=2E After installation : reboot your machine
6=2E during reboot kudzu will detect you materiels, click "OK" or
"Configure" for all periphericals detected (all configuration will be
done automatically)
7=2E you can test for example alsaplayer

nb : if you don't have any sound, check your sound mixer
nb : not sound after checking your mixer , reboot your machine to take
alsa driver effect
nb : after reboot, always not sound, use alsaconf to configure manually
alsa drivers that will update your /etc/modules.conf file ... reboot

B) If your machine is blank (not OS installed in you machine)

=C2 =C2 =C2 1. insert first cdrom Fedora Core 1, boot on this cdrom
=C2 =C2 =C2 2. follow anaconda instructions ....
=C2 =C2 =C2 3. anaconda will ask you to insert the 2nd and 3th cdrom
=C2 =C2 =C2 4. after installation , follow instructions of A) How to
install from CDROM

nb : Test was done with "Desktop Installation" option of Fedora Core 1
installation ..... i will advice you to install complete distribution
of Fedora Core 1 to avoid dependencies problems Rehmudi-2.0

More about installation of Fedora Core 1 before installing Rehmudi
------------------------------------------------------------------

1=2E first, you have to install all Fedora Core 1 with KDE or GNOME
graphical interface. If you have already installed Fedora Core 1 full
release, see next

I advice you to install the full distro of Fedora Core 1 because of all
dependencies of Agnula Packages ...

If you did not install the full distro of Fedora Core 1, so update
your Fedora Core 1 for full distro (it will only add all packages that
were not installed during your latest install).

If you are still on Red Hat Linux 7.3, So update you machine on Red Hat
Linux 8.0 , 9.0 and Fedora Core 1 in final

2=2E download "Rehmudi-2.0" (iso, tar.bz2 ) from
http://download.agnula.org/rehmudi as "anonymous" user

3=2E mount /mnt/cdrom
cd /mnt/cdrom
./install.sh

"install.sh" script will prepare your system/hardware environment ....
by installing kernel in Low Latency, alsa module (alsa-kernel), kudzu
(for automatic detecting sound cards)

4=2E reboot your machine for the first time (it will configure all sound
card, mouse,network interface etc ... devices ) and allow you to boot
from the new kernel. Please boot on the "2.4.22-6.ll" or on the
"2.4.22-6.ll.smp" kernel not on your old kernel.

During the reboot, kudzu will redetect all your hardwares, please
click on OK for all kudzu detects

5=2E After rebooting your machine, test if you have sound with alsa
drivers (execute xmms or alsaplayer)

If you don t have any sound check :
mixer (alsamixergui)
sound card connecting with your speakers
In final, execute "alsaconf" for configuring alsa drivers detecting
(/etc/module.conf)

nb : theorically, kudzu detect your sound card and update your
/etc/module.conf

6=2E Make the final reboot now to take Alsa sound devices effects.


Technical specification
-----------------------

contain of agnula_installer tree :

Bonus
Changelog
docs
errors
install.py
install.sh
list_packages
oldconfig
RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora
RPMS
SRPMS
uninstall.sh

* Bonus contains some alsa packages and kernel with newer version and
jdk for Jmax, you can find back install.py.old that is version 1.1 of
rehmudi installer ... if you usually use it, feel free to use it back

~/list_packages/install.in contain the list of Agnula packages for
install.py script it's now in ~/list_packages
~/list_packages/g_*.rpm list of group dependances of packages for
install
~/list_packages/u_g_*.rpm list of group dependances of packages for
uninstall

* docs contains documentations of rehmudi-2.0, all descriptions of each
RPM package

* errors, some errors compiling during rehmudi building, those RPMS
will be not in rehmudi-2.0, just for developpers who want to contribute
in our projetc and offer us patches ... thank you by advanced

olfconfig initially empty, but after installation ... it contains your
old system configuration like /etc/modules.conf and
/etc/sysconfig/hwconf .... this directory is used for restoring your
old configuration

install.sh install kernel Low Latency and pmw packages and call
install.py for GUI installer

install.py GUI installer which install all Agnula packages

nb : the particularity of rehmudi-2.0 is : When Gui installeur is
displayed, this allow you to select the packages that you want, by
default all packages are choosen (set 1).
nb : At line 168, you can switch button.set_active(1) or
button.set_active(0) for select all or deselect all .

install.log is created by install.sh during the install process

docs/INSTALL is this file

RPMS contains all binary

SRPMS contains all SOURCES RPMS

Alsa drivers
------------

I've only substituted the PCI OSS drivers by the PCI ALSA drivers, if
never you have an ISA sound card again, please configure it bye
"redhat-config-soundcard".

If your ALSA soundcard driver is in the alsa-drivers-0.9 package, but
it was not loaded in the memory (see bye "lsmod"), please add it into
the /etc/modules.conf manually and see www.alsa-project for detailed
support, or mail me on , i'll try to reply you as
soon as possible. Check if alsasound service is UP if not execute
"chkconfig alsasound on" Or execute "alsaconf".

How to boot by default on the new kernel
----------------------------------------

By default, the OS boot on your new kernel .... in Low Latency ... if
not :

You can configure /boot/grub/grub.conf by setting default=3Dvalue ("0"
if the new kernel is on the first line, or "1" is it is on the second
line ...) to boot you machine automatically on the new kernel

for example :

in my /boot/grub/grub.conf

default=3D1 # boot on the 2.4.22-6.ll kernel by default
timeout=3D10
splashimage=3D(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
title Red Hat Linux (2.4.22-6.ll)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-6.ll ro root=3D/dev/md0 hdd=3Dide-scsi
initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-6.ll.img
title Red Hat Linux (2.4.22-6.llsmp)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-1.llsmp ro root=3D/dev/md0
hdd=3Dide-scsi
initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.19-1.llsmp.img
title Red Hat Linux (2.4.18-3smp)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-3smp ro root=3D/dev/md0 hdd=3Dide-scsi
initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.18-3smp.img


default=3D1 -- means that i'll boot on the "(2.4.21-1.llsmp)" kernel
because my machine is 4 processors

Ardour
------

Before executing "ardour" (/usr/bin/ardour) do not forget to copy from
/usr/ardourrc to $HOME/.ardourrc

"cp /usr/ardourrc $HOME/.ardourrc"
"/usr/bin/ardour"

nb: don t forget to run jackd before executing ardour ("jackd -d alsa")

Jmax
----

Name : jmax-agnula-java Relocations: (not
relocateable)
Version : 4.0.2 Vendor: (none)
Release : 2 Build Date: Tue 14 Oct 2003
11:17:28 AM CEST
Install Date: (not installed) Build Host:
localhost.localdomain
Group : Applications/Multimedia Source RPM:
jmax-agnula-4.0.2-2.src.rpm
Size : 1356317 License: GPL
Signature : (none)
Packager : Patrice Tisserand
Summary : Java gui for jMax
Description :
Java Graphical User Interface for jMax


IMPORTANT WARNING: Even though the jmax-java package itself is
licensed as Free Software under the GNU General Public License (GPL),
it depends upon a proprietary Java runtime environment, so in order
to be able to use it, you would also have to find, install and run
proprietary software.
The AGNULA consortium only provides the package for completeness
reference or reimplementation purposes.
There are freedom-preserving alternatives to this package and we
encourage you to choose those instead, namely the jmax-bindings
Python bindings.
Should you choose to proceed, information about the Java Runtime
Environments is available at
http://www.ircam.fr/jmax
Information about the Java situation and its problems along with
the efforts to finally Free Java are available at
http://fsfeurope.org/projects/agnula/java.html

so What you have to do to make Jmax running :

cd /mnt/cdrom/Bonus
../j2sdk-1_4_2-nb-3_5_1-bin-linux.bin
choose PATH to instal jdk for ex /opt/j2sdk-1_4_2-nb-3_5_1
export PATH=3D/opt/j2sdk-1_4_2-nb-3_5_1/j2sdk1.4.2/bin
/usr/bin/jackd -d alsa # if jackd is not started, start it because Jmax
need it
/usr/bin/jmax

remerciements

-------------------------------------------------------------------

HOLY **** CATWOMAN !!!!!!!!!

Anyone who doesn't get the **** scared out of them at this point is
either a dedicated gearhead or a complete nut!

So, being a little bit of both I follow the instructions and with some
mods it seems to install ok so now I go to use it.

First problem: A message saying I don't have access to my Soundcards
Hardware.
Huh?

Second problem: Jack is running as another user?
Huh? I am the only user on this machine.

Ok, I scour the net and discover all this ****, and I do mean ****, has
to be run as superuser.
Yea I can't wait to see the Windows users try and wrap their little
fingers around this crap.

So I get everything running, well sort of.
I import a couple of waves in Ardour and it seems to work, at least
until I go to save it and then the entire enchilada crashes!!
Real quality huh!

I give Audacity a try and while it doesn't crash it is VERY slow at
doing just about anything and this is on a Pentium 4 Hypothreaded with
2 gig of main memory and 7krpm drives.

I play with some of the seemingly 100's of plugins and don't hear
anything I like.

After playing for a couple of hours, I trash this POS and file it in
the circular file.

Conclusion is if you want to DESIGN audio software and tinker around
with Linux, this might be just what you are looking for, but don't
expect to ever make music with this pig.
You'd be better off using the limited version of Cubase that comes with
many soundcards.

Boyce

Boyce Krause a écrit :

you're wrong

I REPEAT:

1° I understand NOTHING in programming, never read a book or even a
manual sold with Mandrake. NEVER because I HATE that. A computer = a
slave, not the human slave of computer.

1°b= i m' jurist not informatician. I can install Linux, so if you're a
pro soundesigner, i bet you can make it : if i can you can.

It takes 30 min to install Agnula : only thing you MUST do: choose name,
and personal code .

that's all.


2° I don't know how to compile a kernel and i don't want to.

3° The only thing i know: linux soft installations need my personal code
before lauching synaptic or urpmi, and after that, i use urpmi or synaptic.

I choose Ardour, sometimes linux asks for original CD. I put the CD on
that's all/

4° jack : works / I don't know ow to install jack.
I only choose 41 Khz or 48 or 96 with GUI.
You can't do that ? Change of job.

then jack needs to stop ti change (41 to 48 Khz etc=)
You clic on "stop "then on "start"
Oh it starts again. !!!
very hard.

I wanted to post here because:
1° i'm non professional and I always want to learn
2° its a pro group
3° but i noticed some "pros" "met here" never used Pro Tools (not even
LE ! ) , doesn't know Ardour ? they only know Sam 7 ? Not 8 ? Only has
Cubase or Sonar ? Ok , thanks, Sonar I use since few years, CWPA then S3.
Pro really ?
i'm not sure.
----------
you cross posted at :
alt.os.windows-xp ?
Understood.

Boyce Krause wrote:

[snipped windows newsgroup]

Go he http://www.agnula.org/ and figure out what, where and how you
are supposed to download this pile of tripe.
Ok, Download seems like a good bet.
http://www.agnula.org/download/

So now I am met with what?

A webpage that has a link to download the distribution:

* Please go here to download/install DeMuDi.
* Please go here to download/install Rehmudi.

The first one leads to a page to download an ISO image.

* Download the latest A/DeMuDi 1.2.1 ISO image here.
* Download the latest A/DeMuDi 1.2.0 ISO image here.
* Download the set of A/DeMuDi 1.0 ISO images here.
* Download the A/DeMuDi 0.9 ISO image here.

I usually choose the latest version because it is usually better than
previous versions.

You can't really ask for anything more simple than that.

WTF *IS* this stuff?
Click on Gforge installation and you get met with this friendly page:
http://devel.agnula.org/

****! WTF! I want to install a Linux music system, not design one!

Then follow directions:

"How to download our software

We are reorganizing our download section, using our GForge installation
release system, in order to make it more flexible and easy to use.

*In the meantime, please use the following links to download our
software.*" [emphasis added.]

In all honesty this is really simple stuff. Having failed to even make
it past a simple website I don't find it at all surprising that you
utterly failed to install the development version of the OS, something
even experienced people can have troubles with.

Ok, I scour the net and discover all this ****,
and I do mean ****, has
to be run as superuser.

Whatever website you read is completely wrong. Not only does it not
have to be, it shouldn't be. The only thing super users should be used
for is managing the system. Installing new packages and making system
wide configurations is a good example. Part of the whole Windows
problem is everyone runs as super users.

Linux is a Unix system. It has security *built in*. It is not wide
open by default but exactly the opposite. You have to give yourself
access to parts of the system that normal users of a unix system would
not normally be granted. You do this by adding the user to the
appropriate groups, in this case you would normally add them to the
'audio' group. You can also change the permissions of the device and
give everyone access to it. The whole thing is VERY configurable.

Listen, Linux is NOT Windows. It doesn't operate the same ways and was
not designed by the same principles. It is a different OS. MacOSX,
though based on Unix, is also NOT Linux. Changing to a different OS is
going to take some time learning. Only an idiot would expect otherwise.

If you are having trouble understanding the new system you can go
purchase a book from the multitude of publications available. You can
also go to http://www.tldp.org and get free electronic books as well.
It isn't rocket science or brain surgery.

Boyce Krause wrote:


Its probable that because Agnula is closely tied with
good funding sources, the agents of M$ and Sun$ are out
trying to wreck it.

Don't believe a word of it.

Treat it instead as evidence that could be used against
these big corporations in a lawsuit.

Imagine if you will Judge Judy seeing this being written against
poor Agnula staff, and getting mighty ****ed off and
handing a big fine out to the big corporations.

7 wrote:
Boyce Krause wrote:


Its probable that because Agnula is closely tied with
good funding sources, the agents of M$ and Sun$ are out
trying to wreck it.

Don't believe a word of it.

Treat it instead as evidence that could be used against
these big corporations in a lawsuit.

Imagine if you will Judge Judy seeing this being written against
poor Agnula staff, and getting mighty ****ed off and
handing a big fine out to the big corporations.


What?

"Boyce Krause" wrote in message
oups.com...
All this Linux talk piqued my interest, especially as it relates to my
wallet because I am tired of paying excessive amounts of money on
software that seems to be on a never ending upgrade mill.
So I decided to follow the advice of some other posts and give this
Linux Agnula thing a try. I've never used Linux before, but my Mac runs
OSX.

The bottom line is Agnula and Linux sucks for this kind of work.

Go he http://www.agnula.org/ and figure out what, where and how you
are supposed to download this pile of tripe.
Ok, Download seems like a good bet.
http://www.agnula.org/download/

So now I am met with what?
WTF *IS* this stuff?
Click on Gforge installation and you get met with this friendly page:
http://devel.agnula.org/

****! WTF! I want to install a Linux music system, not design one!

So finally I figure out where to get this beast, WTF RhMudi is I don't
know but it shows so promise as at least I see some ISO's there.

Looking in the INSTALL directory I am met with this little joy:

-----------------------------------------------------------------

How to install Rehmudi-2.0
--------------------------

A) Install From CDROM
-----------------

If you had already installed Fedora Core 1

1. insert cdrom Rehmudi-2.0 into the CDROM Drive
2. be root and execute "mount /mnt/cdrom" (mouting cdrom)
3. execute "cd /mnt/cdrom" (enter in the directory where there is
Rehmudi trees)
4. execute "./install.sh" (install Rehmudi)
5. After installation : reboot your machine
6. during reboot kudzu will detect you materiels, click "OK" or
"Configure" for all periphericals detected (all configuration will be
done automatically)
7. you can test for example alsaplayer

nb : if you don't have any sound, check your sound mixer
nb : not sound after checking your mixer , reboot your machine to take
alsa driver effect
nb : after reboot, always not sound, use alsaconf to configure manually
alsa drivers that will update your /etc/modules.conf file ... reboot

B) If your machine is blank (not OS installed in you machine)

   1. insert first cdrom Fedora Core 1, boot on this cdrom
   2. follow anaconda instructions ....
   3. anaconda will ask you to insert the 2nd and 3th cdrom
   4. after installation , follow instructions of A) How to
install from CDROM

nb : Test was done with "Desktop Installation" option of Fedora Core 1
installation ..... i will advice you to install complete distribution
of Fedora Core 1 to avoid dependencies problems Rehmudi-2.0

More about installation of Fedora Core 1 before installing Rehmudi
------------------------------------------------------------------

1. first, you have to install all Fedora Core 1 with KDE or GNOME
graphical interface. If you have already installed Fedora Core 1 full
release, see next

I advice you to install the full distro of Fedora Core 1 because of all
dependencies of Agnula Packages ...

If you did not install the full distro of Fedora Core 1, so update
your Fedora Core 1 for full distro (it will only add all packages that
were not installed during your latest install).

If you are still on Red Hat Linux 7.3, So update you machine on Red Hat
Linux 8.0 , 9.0 and Fedora Core 1 in final

2. download "Rehmudi-2.0" (iso, tar.bz2 ) from
http://download.agnula.org/rehmudi as "anonymous" user

3. mount /mnt/cdrom
cd /mnt/cdrom
./install.sh

"install.sh" script will prepare your system/hardware environment ....
by installing kernel in Low Latency, alsa module (alsa-kernel), kudzu
(for automatic detecting sound cards)

4. reboot your machine for the first time (it will configure all sound
card, mouse,network interface etc ... devices ) and allow you to boot
from the new kernel. Please boot on the "2.4.22-6.ll" or on the
"2.4.22-6.ll.smp" kernel not on your old kernel.

During the reboot, kudzu will redetect all your hardwares, please
click on OK for all kudzu detects

5. After rebooting your machine, test if you have sound with alsa
drivers (execute xmms or alsaplayer)

If you don t have any sound check :
mixer (alsamixergui)
sound card connecting with your speakers
In final, execute "alsaconf" for configuring alsa drivers detecting
(/etc/module.conf)

nb : theorically, kudzu detect your sound card and update your
/etc/module.conf

6. Make the final reboot now to take Alsa sound devices effects.


Technical specification
-----------------------

contain of agnula_installer tree :

Bonus
Changelog
docs
errors
install.py
install.sh
list_packages
oldconfig
RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora
RPMS
SRPMS
uninstall.sh

* Bonus contains some alsa packages and kernel with newer version and
jdk for Jmax, you can find back install.py.old that is version 1.1 of
rehmudi installer ... if you usually use it, feel free to use it back

~/list_packages/install.in contain the list of Agnula packages for
install.py script it's now in ~/list_packages
~/list_packages/g_*.rpm list of group dependances of packages for
install
~/list_packages/u_g_*.rpm list of group dependances of packages for
uninstall

* docs contains documentations of rehmudi-2.0, all descriptions of each
RPM package

* errors, some errors compiling during rehmudi building, those RPMS
will be not in rehmudi-2.0, just for developpers who want to contribute
in our projetc and offer us patches ... thank you by advanced

olfconfig initially empty, but after installation ... it contains your
old system configuration like /etc/modules.conf and
/etc/sysconfig/hwconf .... this directory is used for restoring your
old configuration

install.sh install kernel Low Latency and pmw packages and call
install.py for GUI installer

install.py GUI installer which install all Agnula packages

nb : the particularity of rehmudi-2.0 is : When Gui installeur is
displayed, this allow you to select the packages that you want, by
default all packages are choosen (set 1).
nb : At line 168, you can switch button.set_active(1) or
button.set_active(0) for select all or deselect all .

install.log is created by install.sh during the install process

docs/INSTALL is this file

RPMS contains all binary

SRPMS contains all SOURCES RPMS

Alsa drivers
------------

I've only substituted the PCI OSS drivers by the PCI ALSA drivers, if
never you have an ISA sound card again, please configure it bye
"redhat-config-soundcard".

If your ALSA soundcard driver is in the alsa-drivers-0.9 package, but
it was not loaded in the memory (see bye "lsmod"), please add it into
the /etc/modules.conf manually and see www.alsa-project for detailed
support, or mail me on , i'll try to reply you as
soon as possible. Check if alsasound service is UP if not execute
"chkconfig alsasound on" Or execute "alsaconf".

How to boot by default on the new kernel
----------------------------------------

By default, the OS boot on your new kernel .... in Low Latency ... if
not :

You can configure /boot/grub/grub.conf by setting default=value ("0"
if the new kernel is on the first line, or "1" is it is on the second
line ...) to boot you machine automatically on the new kernel

for example :

in my /boot/grub/grub.conf

default=1 # boot on the 2.4.22-6.ll kernel by default
timeout=10
splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
title Red Hat Linux (2.4.22-6.ll)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-6.ll ro root=/dev/md0 hdd=ide-scsi
initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-6.ll.img
title Red Hat Linux (2.4.22-6.llsmp)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-1.llsmp ro root=/dev/md0
hdd=ide-scsi
initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.19-1.llsmp.img
title Red Hat Linux (2.4.18-3smp)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-3smp ro root=/dev/md0 hdd=ide-scsi
initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.18-3smp.img


default=1 -- means that i'll boot on the "(2.4.21-1.llsmp)" kernel
because my machine is 4 processors

Ardour
------

Before executing "ardour" (/usr/bin/ardour) do not forget to copy from
/usr/ardourrc to $HOME/.ardourrc

"cp /usr/ardourrc $HOME/.ardourrc"
"/usr/bin/ardour"

nb: don t forget to run jackd before executing ardour ("jackd -d alsa")

Jmax
----

Name : jmax-agnula-java Relocations: (not
relocateable)
Version : 4.0.2 Vendor: (none)
Release : 2 Build Date: Tue 14 Oct 2003
11:17:28 AM CEST
Install Date: (not installed) Build Host:
localhost.localdomain
Group : Applications/Multimedia Source RPM:
jmax-agnula-4.0.2-2.src.rpm
Size : 1356317 License: GPL
Signature : (none)
Packager : Patrice Tisserand
Summary : Java gui for jMax
Description :
Java Graphical User Interface for jMax


IMPORTANT WARNING: Even though the jmax-java package itself is
licensed as Free Software under the GNU General Public License (GPL),
it depends upon a proprietary Java runtime environment, so in order
to be able to use it, you would also have to find, install and run
proprietary software.
The AGNULA consortium only provides the package for completeness
reference or reimplementation purposes.
There are freedom-preserving alternatives to this package and we
encourage you to choose those instead, namely the jmax-bindings
Python bindings.
Should you choose to proceed, information about the Java Runtime
Environments is available at
http://www.ircam.fr/jmax
Information about the Java situation and its problems along with
the efforts to finally Free Java are available at
http://fsfeurope.org/projects/agnula/java.html

so What you have to do to make Jmax running :

cd /mnt/cdrom/Bonus
../j2sdk-1_4_2-nb-3_5_1-bin-linux.bin
choose PATH to instal jdk for ex /opt/j2sdk-1_4_2-nb-3_5_1
export PATH=/opt/j2sdk-1_4_2-nb-3_5_1/j2sdk1.4.2/bin
/usr/bin/jackd -d alsa # if jackd is not started, start it because Jmax
need it
/usr/bin/jmax

remerciements

-------------------------------------------------------------------

HOLY **** CATWOMAN !!!!!!!!!

Anyone who doesn't get the **** scared out of them at this point is
either a dedicated gearhead or a complete nut!

So, being a little bit of both I follow the instructions and with some
mods it seems to install ok so now I go to use it.

First problem: A message saying I don't have access to my Soundcards
Hardware.
Huh?

Second problem: Jack is running as another user?
Huh? I am the only user on this machine.

Ok, I scour the net and discover all this ****, and I do mean ****, has
to be run as superuser.
Yea I can't wait to see the Windows users try and wrap their little
fingers around this crap.

So I get everything running, well sort of.
I import a couple of waves in Ardour and it seems to work, at least
until I go to save it and then the entire enchilada crashes!!
Real quality huh!

I give Audacity a try and while it doesn't crash it is VERY slow at
doing just about anything and this is on a Pentium 4 Hypothreaded with
2 gig of main memory and 7krpm drives.

I play with some of the seemingly 100's of plugins and don't hear
anything I like.

After playing for a couple of hours, I trash this POS and file it in
the circular file.

Conclusion is if you want to DESIGN audio software and tinker around
with Linux, this might be just what you are looking for, but don't
expect to ever make music with this pig.
You'd be better off using the limited version of Cubase that comes with
many soundcards.

Boyce

"Boyce Krause" wrote in message
oups.com...
cd /mnt/cdrom/Bonus
../j2sdk-1_4_2-nb-3_5_1-bin-linux.bin
choose PATH to instal jdk for ex /opt/j2sdk-1_4_2-nb-3_5_1
export PATH=/opt/j2sdk-1_4_2-nb-3_5_1/j2sdk1.4.2/bin
/usr/bin/jackd -d alsa # if jackd is not started, start it because Jmax
need it
/usr/bin/jmax

******

You didn't find that easy and intuitive ? What are you ?

;-)

geoff

So one Linux distribution you don't like. Only 408 to go!

Geoff Wood wrote:
"Boyce Krause" wrote in message
oups.com...
cd /mnt/cdrom/Bonus
./j2sdk-1_4_2-nb-3_5_1-bin-linux.bin
choose PATH to instal jdk for ex /opt/j2sdk-1_4_2-nb-3_5_1
export PATH=/opt/j2sdk-1_4_2-nb-3_5_1/j2sdk1.4.2/bin
/usr/bin/jackd -d alsa # if jackd is not started, start it because Jmax
need it
/usr/bin/jmax

******

You didn't find that easy and intuitive ? What are you ?

;-)

geoff

Well I am just a student studying theory/comp but I have been following
this Linux thread with interest because I attend a workshop at night
that teaches recording concepts for non-engineers (ie:musicians).
I get a decent amount of time behind the desk mixing my small projects
and learning from professionals in the field. So anyway, we have a guy
in the class we affectionately call "The Reverend" because he is ALWAYS
preaching Linux.
He is a comp.sci major and is creating, *music*, via neural nets? or
something like that. I'm not really sure, but I know, to most of us it
sounds terrible, but whatever.
So anyhow, he brings in his own rack hard disk and loads up some Linux
thing called gynodoblic, or something like that and does nothing but
preach how great it is for the entire time he is behind the desk.
The rest of us are laughing because the entire thing looks like a
childs toy and sounds even worse.
The interface is awful.
The programs are constantly crashing and he is forever bringing in new
and improved versions (they must update that thing nightly because he
always seems to have a new version) but the results are always the
same.

The funniest part is where he types in some 200 character command on a
black screen and converts a directory of his work (wave files) to mp3
files and then lectures us on how command is the future?

I dunno, I just think the entire Linux/audio debate is a bad joke
because even with my basic skill set I can see it's all
Protools/Cubase/Samplitude and so forth.

Most small studios that the students run are using Digi02's.
Does Linux support that?

FWIW I went to that agnula page and pecked around and as soon as I
tried to learn about it, on the download page at:

You can see all our documentation about process install on our web site
http://www.redhat.com/support/resour...ing_linux.html

I was met with "Page Not Found"

Not a good sign IMHO.

Oh well back to work!

Susan

P.S Remember our Vets on Memorial Day.

Is Agnula that one who sings with Britney or something?



--
Texeme Textcasting Technology
http://www.texeme.com

"Boyce Krause" wrote ...
All this Linux talk piqued my interest, especially as it relates
to my wallet because I am tired of paying excessive amounts
of money on software that seems to be on a never ending upgrade
mill.
So I decided to follow the advice of some other posts and give
this Linux Agnula thing a try. I've never used Linux before, but
my Mac runs OSX.

The bottom line is Agnula and Linux sucks for this kind of work.

Go he http://www.agnula.org/ and figure out what, where and
how you are supposed to download this pile of tripe.
Ok, Download seems like a good bet.
http://www.agnula.org/download/

So now I am met with what?
WTF *IS* this stuff?
.....

You are clearly what the Linux people call a "moron" and you
should forget using an operating system meant for more sentient
beings. I am also a Linux "moron", so I know how you feel.

I'll try again in a couple of years and see if they have their act
together but I'm not planning on holding my breath.

Susan wrote:

He is a comp.sci major and is creating, *music*, via neural nets? or
something like that. I'm not really sure, but I know, to most of us it
sounds terrible, but whatever.

Sounds like an interesting study in AI, not so much in music. It isn't
likely to come up with anything sounding very good, but possibly has
some importance to the academic world regarding computers and
creativity. Sort of like this program I saw once that "painted".

The funniest part is where he types in some 200 character command on a
black screen and converts a directory of his work (wave files) to mp3
files and then lectures us on how command is the future?


The command line is the quickest way to do many things; it is a very
powerful tool. The gui is also good for other things. It is best to be
aware of and proficient in both on ANY system. The Unix command line is
definitely more powerful than the Windows version but with some work you
can get many of the same tools on Windows.

Most small studios that the students run are using Digi02's.
Does Linux support that?

I doubt it. Seeing as it is a pro-tools specific piece of hardware it
isn't likely to work with anything that doesn't run pro-tools.

http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/piper...er/006281.html

I can find no reference on the Internet to anyone successfully using ANY
digidesign product in Linux. They seem to be VERY closed lipped and
want you to use only their software.


FWIW I went to that agnula page and pecked around and as soon as I
tried to learn about it, on the download page at:

You can see all our documentation about process install on our web site
http://www.redhat.com/support/resour...ing_linux.html

I was met with "Page Not Found"

I don't know where you came up with that link. I can't find it on the
agnula website anywhere.

wrote in message
...


Is Agnula that one who sings with Britney or something?

No, that's Agnulera.

I do seem to recall an American politician named Spiro T. Agnula, though.
Maybe it was Agnu, I don't remember


Kendall





--
Texeme Textcasting Technology
http://www.texeme.com

http://www.agnula.org/download/rehmudi/
Look on the page for:

You can see all our documentation about process install on our web site


http://www.redhat.com/support/resour...ing_linux.html

It is a dead link.

As far as Protools/Cubase/Samplitude are concerned, they are all
totally professional applications and when put alongside Linux so
called equivilants, they blow Linux away.
I have to wonder what motive the people pushing Linux have.
Are they musicians?
Are they working or studying in the field?
Or, are they like the Reverend in my class, a nice person totally
misguided by Linux.


Look I am not anti-Linux, the idea of free software is appealing to a
student like me, but I need to use industry standards.
My time is valuable.
My goal is creating music, not building the programs to do such.

From what I have seen of Linux, and more importantly, what I have seen
of the people using and evangelizing Linux, I have to say no thank you.

I use what works and what 99 percent of the professional community is
using and learning and I can tell you for a fact it is NOT Linux.
Hell, Windows was in this boat 10 years ago against the Apple products.
Maybe Linux can rise to the occasion? I really don't know, but I do
know that the cult like attitude of the Linux users needs to change
because it does nothing good and in fact just ****es people off.
In between laughs that is!

Susan

Noah Roberts wrote:

7 wrote:
Boyce Krause wrote:


Its probable that because Agnula is closely tied with
good funding sources, the agents of M$ and Sun$ are out
trying to wreck it.

Don't believe a word of it.

Treat it instead as evidence that could be used against
these big corporations in a lawsuit.

Imagine if you will Judge Judy seeing this being written against
poor Agnula staff, and getting mighty ****ed off and
handing a big fine out to the big corporations.


What?


Its flatfish a notorious nym shifter, and it understands.

Susan wrote:
http://www.agnula.org/download/rehmudi/
Look on the page for:

You can see all our documentation about process install on our web site


http://www.redhat.com/support/resour...ing_linux.html

It is a dead link.

Yes, it is. Did you see this though?


"Last modified 2004-01-03 09:32 PM"

Development of the redhat version seems to have halted and the website
hasn't been updated since the last change. It makes reference to an
external page that has moved since Jan. 2004.

The DeMuDi one has a more recent date:

Last modified 2005-05-03 04:42 PM

If I was to try agnula I would definately try the one made this year.

On Mon, 30 May 2005 16:08:16 -0700, Susan wrote:



I use what works and what 99 percent of the professional community is
using and learning and I can tell you for a fact it is NOT Linux. Hell,
Windows was in this boat 10 years ago against the Apple products. Maybe
Linux can rise to the occasion? I really don't know, but I do know that
the cult like attitude of the Linux users needs to change because it
does nothing good and in fact just ****es people off. In between laughs
that is!





You guys listening?

Potential new user with miserable introduction to Linux. This is where
the rubber meets the road. And we failed. Shouldn't we be changing
tactics to meet the demands of real world users?

Should we employ programming teams to build professional grade "seed" apps
-- in this instance perhaps an integrated suite of sound apps?

Andrew wrote:

You guys listening?

Yes, are you.

Potential new user with miserable introduction to Linux.

Apparently not. This is a person who SAW Linux once and has decided it
isn't worth the bother.

Andrew wrote:

You guys listening?

Potential new user with miserable introduction to Linux. This is where
the rubber meets the road. And we failed.


You failed because you fell for flatfish the name shifting troll.

This flat fish is legally obliged to post this kind of stuff and
is not free from a legal point of view to sat there quietly
and feed from the bottom of the pond.

May be this fish can take its case to Judge Judy to rule
on whether their contracts that force it to post
on newsgroups are legal and if they can
get free of it and post like normal human beings.

On Monday 30 May 2005 17:40, Andrew
) wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2005 16:08:16 -0700, Susan wrote:

[snip]

You guys listening?

No, we've already heard it several hundred times.

Potential new user with miserable introduction to Linux.

"Susan" is a forgery from "Flatfish", an incorrigible troll.

This is where the rubber meets the road.

This is where "Susan" met the killfile.

And we failed.

We can't force Google to prevent trolling from abusing Usenet.

Shouldn't we be changing tactics to meet the demands of real world users?

Flatfish is not a real-world user. Flatfish is a troll.

Should we employ programming teams to build professional grade "seed" apps
-- in this instance perhaps an integrated suite of sound apps?

We should not pretend the claims of trolls are meainingful.

On Tue, 31 May 2005 00:24:21 +0000, 7 wrote:

Andrew wrote:

You guys listening?

Potential new user with miserable introduction to Linux. This is where
the rubber meets the road. And we failed.


You failed because you fell for flatfish the name shifting troll.





It does not matter if this particular individual is a troll -- the
experience described is authentic. I've seen it myself. We can deny a
problem exists, in which case the problem will never be resolved. Or we
can deal with this and swell our ranks much faster than anything seen
to date.

Every day we waste is another day that MS is still dominate on the playing
field. Where do *you* want to go today?

Andrew wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2005 00:24:21 +0000, 7 wrote:

Andrew wrote:

You guys listening?

Potential new user with miserable introduction to Linux. This is where
the rubber meets the road. And we failed.


You failed because you fell for flatfish the name shifting troll.





It does not matter if this particular individual is a troll -- the
experience described is authentic. I've seen it myself. We can deny a
problem exists, in which case the problem will never be resolved. Or we
can deal with this and swell our ranks much faster than anything seen
to date.

Every day we waste is another day that MS is still dominate on the playing
field. Where do *you* want to go today?


You have no idea the depths to which you are being conned
and to the extend you have failed.

Legit posts don't start with beaming idiocy and calculating arrogance.
There are dozens of newbies on other NGs asking daily one question
or another and getting successful replies. Linux is a vibrant
and alive community, and it has always been that way.

7 wrote:

You have no idea the depths to which you are being conned
and to the extend you have failed.

I don't think you realize how nonsensical your posts appear to be. So
far I have been able to make zero sense of anything you have said in
this thread.

Boyce Krause wrote:
The usual ****


Hey flattie, haven't you used this one before?

Running out of new names already?

"Boyce Krause" wrote in message
oups.com...
All this Linux talk piqued my interest, especially as it relates to my

snip crossposted troll

Oh well, I guess I'll just run Csound in windows, primarily because making
mistakes and learning things is no fun and I'd rather take a nap. I just
wish Microsoft made a proprietary version where all I had to do was use a
mouse.

jb

I gave trolling a try. Don't waste your time! It sucks!

In
rec.audio.pro,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux .misc,alt.os.windows-xp.
On 30 May 2005 13:05:10 -0700, "Boyce Krause"
wrote:

... { nothing worth quoting }

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

On Mon, 30 May 2005 20:11:22 -0500, Andrew wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2005 00:24:21 +0000, 7 wrote:

Andrew wrote:

You guys listening?

Potential new user with miserable introduction to Linux. This is where
the rubber meets the road. And we failed.


You failed because you fell for flatfish the name shifting troll.





It does not matter if this particular individual is a troll -- the
experience described is authentic. I've seen it myself. We can deny a
problem exists, in which case the problem will never be resolved. Or we
can deal with this and swell our ranks much faster than anything seen
to date.

How can it be authentic if it's a troll? A troll who can't even be
bothered to spell Dyne:bolic correctly, and who lied about its
capabilities

--
Kier

Boyce Krause (Flatfish) wrote:

(snip)

*plonk*

On Mon, 30 May 2005 13:05:10 -0700, Boyce Krause wrote:

snip

So Flatfish....I'm *still* waiting for that explanation from you about how
a media player, Totem, crashes while burning coasters....since, you
know....it doesn't burn CDs. You ever going to explain that one Flattie?







You see folks, Flatfish here is a well known liar, especially about the
capabilities of Linux and Linux software. And often, he doesn't even try
to squirm out of his lies.....just leaves them there forever for us to
make fun of. Like the whoppers he told about Totem.

On Mon, 30 May 2005 18:40:17 -0500, Andrew wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2005 16:08:16 -0700, Susan wrote:



I use what works and what 99 percent of the professional community is
using and learning and I can tell you for a fact it is NOT Linux. Hell,
Windows was in this boat 10 years ago against the Apple products. Maybe
Linux can rise to the occasion? I really don't know, but I do know that
the cult like attitude of the Linux users needs to change because it
does nothing good and in fact just ****es people off. In between laughs
that is!





You guys listening?

Yes.


Potential new user with miserable introduction to Linux.

Doubtful. "Susan" is almost certainly "Boyce Krause," and possibly
several others in this thread as well. COLA regulars know him as
"flatfish". He's some obsessed nut who has been trolling COLA since the
late 90s. He nymshifts, replies to himself, usually posts through Google,
uses open proxies...he's a nutcase, basically.

It's a sure bet that if it's posted to COLA through Google, with
rec.audio.pro and alt.os.windows-xp in the crosspost list, it's Flatfish.
Not that he always crossposts to those groups, but he is the only one who
does.

This is where
the rubber meets the road. And we failed. Shouldn't we be changing
tactics to meet the demands of real world users?

As far as I can tell, Flatfish is the only one making these demands. I
wouldn't change anything to meet any demand from him, but YMMV.