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Old April 27th 21, 06:23 AM posted to rec.audio.pro
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I frequently see performances where the performer is obviously having an issue with their earpieces, as Kelly Clarkson does here, eventually pulling them out completely. I assume these are high-quality earpieces and the levels are adjusted in rehearsal by people who know what they're doing, why are they so frequently still a problem for the performer?

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Old April 27th 21, 06:54 AM posted to rec.audio.pro
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On 27/04/2021 5:23 pm, wrote:
> I frequently see performances where the performer is obviously having an issue with their earpieces, as Kelly Clarkson does here, eventually pulling them out completely. I assume these are high-quality earpieces and the levels are adjusted in rehearsal by people who know what they're doing, why are they so frequently still a problem for the performer?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mAY60mR7Zc
>


Maybe because the IEM monitor mix isn't to their liking, or maybe
because it just sounds unnatural and 'disconnected'.

Dunno if anything would have helped in this particular instance though ...

geoff
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Old April 27th 21, 09:21 AM posted to rec.audio.pro
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 22:23:00 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>I frequently see performances where the performer is obviously having an issue with their earpieces, as Kelly Clarkson does here, eventually pulling them out completely. I assume these are high-quality earpieces and the levels are adjusted in rehearsal by people who know what they're doing, why are they so frequently still a problem for the performer?
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mAY60mR7Zc


A lot of singers can suddenly feel themselves a bit disconnected and
they need to "hear the room". Pulling out one earpiece restores things
instantly.

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Old April 27th 21, 11:37 AM posted to rec.audio.pro
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 22:23:00 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>I frequently see performances where the performer is obviously having an
>issue with their earpieces, as Kelly Clarkson does here, eventually pulling
>them out completely. I assume these are high-quality earpieces and the
>levels are adjusted in rehearsal by people who know what they're doing, why
>are they so frequently still a problem for the performer?
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mAY60mR7Zc


A lot of singers can suddenly feel themselves a bit disconnected and
they need to "hear the room". Pulling out one earpiece restores things
instantly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Agree 100%. As a (so called) vocalist I find myself doing the one ear
monitor thing quite often for that very reason.

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Old April 27th 21, 11:50 AM posted to rec.audio.pro
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On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:37:08 AM UTC-4, polymod wrote:
> "Don Pearce" wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 22:23:00 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >I frequently see performances where the performer is obviously having an
> >issue with their earpieces, as Kelly Clarkson does here, eventually pulling
> >them out completely. I assume these are high-quality earpieces and the
> >levels are adjusted in rehearsal by people who know what they're doing, why
> >are they so frequently still a problem for the performer?
> >
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mAY60mR7Zc

>
> A lot of singers can suddenly feel themselves a bit disconnected and
> they need to "hear the room". Pulling out one earpiece restores things
> instantly.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> Agree 100%. As a (so called) vocalist I find myself doing the one ear
> monitor thing quite often for that very reason.
>
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Wouldn't have that problem with good ol fashioned stage wedges.
Aslo, one can incur hearing damage a lot quicker with an in ear monitor
millimeters from their ear drum, than with a wedge two-three meters
away, on the floor.
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Old April 27th 21, 03:06 PM posted to rec.audio.pro
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On 4/27/2021 1:23 AM, wrote:
> I frequently see performances where the performer is obviously having an issue with their earpieces, as Kelly Clarkson does here, eventually pulling them out completely. I assume these are high-quality earpieces and the levels are adjusted in rehearsal by people who know what they're doing, why are they so frequently still a problem for the performer?


It's all about getting a good in-ear mix. With bands that are well
rehearsed and have a dedicated in-ear monitor mixer (person and
equipment), it works pretty well most of the time. But with shows where
a singer, even a famous one with a regular crew, does one song, there
often isn't time to get the system set up like it usually is. And in-ear
mixes aren't a "get it right once and set it like that all the time"
thing. It depends on the venue and the program. For example, with
something like the Grammys, the in-ear mix is rarely the artist's
working band, and often it includes pre-recorded portions of the music
that are different from what the singer usually hears.

As far as hearing "the room" - the people who do it right put up a few
mics for ambience and mix that in with the dry monitor signal. Some
in-ear systems are now including microphones to give the wearer an
individual "right where your head is" ambience.

In-ear monitoring is far more complex than wedges, but the advantages
are worth while if it's done right and everyone cooperates. But it can
easily fall to pieces.


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Old April 27th 21, 08:39 PM posted to rec.audio.pro
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 10:06:36 -0400, Mike Rivers >
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>As far as hearing "the room" - the people who do it right put up a few
>mics for ambience and mix that in with the dry monitor signal. Some
>in-ear systems are now including microphones to give the wearer an
>individual "right where your head is" ambience.


Isn't that prone to latency issues? That would be horribly confusing.

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Old April 27th 21, 10:57 PM posted to rec.audio.pro
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On 28/04/2021 2:06 am, Mike Rivers wrote:
> On 4/27/2021 1:23 AM, wrote:
>> I frequently see performances where the performer is obviously having
>> an issue with their earpieces, as Kelly Clarkson does here, eventually
>> pulling them out completely. I assume these are high-quality earpieces
>> and the levels are adjusted in rehearsal by people who know what
>> they're doing, why are they so frequently still a problem for the
>> performer?

>
> It's all about getting a good in-ear mix. With bands that are well
> rehearsed and have a dedicated in-ear monitor mixer (person and
> equipment), it works pretty well most of the time. But with shows where
> a singer, even a famous one with a regular crew, does one song, there
> often isn't time to get the system set up like it usually is. And in-ear
> mixes aren't a "get it right once and set it like that all the time"
> thing. It depends on the venue and the program. For example, with
> something like the Grammys, the in-ear mix is rarely the artist's
> working band, and often it includes pre-recorded portions of the music
> that are different from what the singer usually hears.
>
> As far as hearing "the room" - the people who do it right put up a few
> mics for ambience and mix that in with the dry monitor signal. Some
> in-ear systems are now including microphones to give the wearer an
> individual "right where your head is" ambience.
>
> In-ear monitoring is far more complex than wedges, but the advantages
> are worth while if it's done right and everyone cooperates. But it can
> easily fall to pieces.


However even at best it is the music performance equivalent of wearing a
condom.

geoff
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Old April 28th 21, 01:36 AM posted to rec.audio.pro
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On 4/27/2021 3:39 PM, Don Pearce wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 10:06:36 -0400, Mike Rivers >
> wrote:
>
>> As far as hearing "the room" - the people who do it right put up a few
>> mics for ambience and mix that in with the dry monitor signal. Some
>> in-ear systems are now including microphones to give the wearer an
>> individual "right where your head is" ambience.

>
> Isn't that prone to latency issues? That would be horribly confusing.


Sorry if I wrote that as if you were putting up audience mics for a
recording. You don't put the mics where you can clearly hear the house
or monitor mix, you put then to pick up with a player on stage would
hear. And you mix in just a little.


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