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A Piano Question
Actually, two piano questions. First, does anyone know why there are both
two pedal and three pedal Yamaha C7's? I've been told that the 2 pedal versions are gray market pianos imported from Japan, but that doesn't really answer the question of why there are only 2 pedals on the Japanese versions. Or why 3 pedals are better than two, other than the fact that there's 'one more'. Second, do any of the smart people on this newsgroup know anything abut Yamaha's CS series of grand pianos? I've come across 2 or 3 that seem to be pretty darned good deals, but can't find out any information about them other than the fact that they're 8'2" pianos (putting them between the 7'6" C7 and the 9 foot CFIII). If there's a third question, it would have to be, "Where can I get a wonderfully great deal on a wonderfully great piano at least 7 feet long?" Thanks, -- Dave Martin Java Jive Studio Nashville, TN www.javajivestudio.com |
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Dave Martin wrote:
Actually, two piano questions. First, does anyone know why there are both two pedal and three pedal Yamaha C7's? I've been told that the 2 pedal versions are gray market pianos imported from Japan, but that doesn't really answer the question of why there are only 2 pedals on the Japanese versions. Or why 3 pedals are better than two, other than the fact that there's 'one more'. Hardly anyone ever uses the middle pedal. On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed (unlike the right pedal, the damper, which sustains all the notes while it's pressed). This requires a whole lot of mechanical stuff to implement, and it is used only in very few classical works. On _some_ pianos, it is a bass damper pedal, where it sustains all of the notes below a certain point (I want to say below middle C). This is also not something you see used very often, but it's basically a cheaper way to implement the same sort of effect. The majority of pianos out there seem to skip the middle pedal completely and just have two pedals. I have played a few pianos that had three pedals but the middle pedal was just for show and didn't actually connect up to anything. Second, do any of the smart people on this newsgroup know anything abut Yamaha's CS series of grand pianos? I've come across 2 or 3 that seem to be pretty darned good deals, but can't find out any information about them other than the fact that they're 8'2" pianos (putting them between the 7'6" C7 and the 9 foot CFIII). In Hawaii, they were great sounding pianos. Here on the east coast, they don't seem to sound as good. I don't know if that is a humidity thing or just the way people have them set up. But I have heard some of them sound great, and I have also been very impressed at the ability of a good piano tech to get a huge variety of sounds out of any good piano. I am convinced that the piano setup is as important as the quality of the original piano. If there's a third question, it would have to be, "Where can I get a wonderfully great deal on a wonderfully great piano at least 7 feet long?" Find the best piano tech in town and ask him what he knows of for sale right now. He'll know what particular instruments are good and what aren't. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Dave Martin wrote:
Actually, two piano questions. First, does anyone know why there are both two pedal and three pedal Yamaha C7's? I've been told that the 2 pedal versions are gray market pianos imported from Japan, but that doesn't really answer the question of why there are only 2 pedals on the Japanese versions. Or why 3 pedals are better than two, other than the fact that there's 'one more'. Hardly anyone ever uses the middle pedal. On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed (unlike the right pedal, the damper, which sustains all the notes while it's pressed). This requires a whole lot of mechanical stuff to implement, and it is used only in very few classical works. On _some_ pianos, it is a bass damper pedal, where it sustains all of the notes below a certain point (I want to say below middle C). This is also not something you see used very often, but it's basically a cheaper way to implement the same sort of effect. The majority of pianos out there seem to skip the middle pedal completely and just have two pedals. I have played a few pianos that had three pedals but the middle pedal was just for show and didn't actually connect up to anything. Second, do any of the smart people on this newsgroup know anything abut Yamaha's CS series of grand pianos? I've come across 2 or 3 that seem to be pretty darned good deals, but can't find out any information about them other than the fact that they're 8'2" pianos (putting them between the 7'6" C7 and the 9 foot CFIII). In Hawaii, they were great sounding pianos. Here on the east coast, they don't seem to sound as good. I don't know if that is a humidity thing or just the way people have them set up. But I have heard some of them sound great, and I have also been very impressed at the ability of a good piano tech to get a huge variety of sounds out of any good piano. I am convinced that the piano setup is as important as the quality of the original piano. If there's a third question, it would have to be, "Where can I get a wonderfully great deal on a wonderfully great piano at least 7 feet long?" Find the best piano tech in town and ask him what he knows of for sale right now. He'll know what particular instruments are good and what aren't. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Or why 3 pedals are better than two, other than the fact that there's 'one
more'. The middle pedal is "sostenuto" a rarely understood & rarely used effect whereby only those notes being held down when the pedal is engaged are sustained. Most players (& composers for that matter) don't really know how to make much use of this pedal. Second, do any of the smart people on this newsgroup know anything abut Yamaha's CS series of grand pianos? My understanding is that, unlike the C series, the CS pianos are handmade. I've come across 2 or 3 that seem to be pretty darned good deals, but can't find out any information about them other than the fact that they're 8'2" pianos (putting them between the 7'6" C7 and the 9 foot CFIII). If there's a third question, it would have to be, "Where can I get a wonderfully great deal on a wonderfully great piano at least 7 feet long?" Ten or more years ago I wheedled a Yamaha dealer down to about $18,000 for a very specific C7. That's probably not an available deal anymore. Scott Fraser |
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Or why 3 pedals are better than two, other than the fact that there's 'one
more'. The middle pedal is "sostenuto" a rarely understood & rarely used effect whereby only those notes being held down when the pedal is engaged are sustained. Most players (& composers for that matter) don't really know how to make much use of this pedal. Second, do any of the smart people on this newsgroup know anything abut Yamaha's CS series of grand pianos? My understanding is that, unlike the C series, the CS pianos are handmade. I've come across 2 or 3 that seem to be pretty darned good deals, but can't find out any information about them other than the fact that they're 8'2" pianos (putting them between the 7'6" C7 and the 9 foot CFIII). If there's a third question, it would have to be, "Where can I get a wonderfully great deal on a wonderfully great piano at least 7 feet long?" Ten or more years ago I wheedled a Yamaha dealer down to about $18,000 for a very specific C7. That's probably not an available deal anymore. Scott Fraser |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Hardly anyone ever uses the middle pedal. On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed (unlike the right pedal, the damper, which sustains all the notes while it's pressed). This requires a whole lot of mechanical stuff to implement, and it is used only in very few classical works. On _some_ pianos, it is a bass damper pedal, where it sustains all of the notes below a certain point (I want to say below middle C). This is also not something you see used very often, but it's basically a cheaper way to implement the same sort of effect. Could this be a grand vs upright sort of difference? I've had my head inside more uprights than grands, & all I've seen use the middle pedal as a bass damper (why don't they call it an un-damper?). It's actually been a few years since I had my head inside ANY acoustic piano, so my memory's kind of foggy. I seem to recall the point as being about an octave below middle C. |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Hardly anyone ever uses the middle pedal. On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed (unlike the right pedal, the damper, which sustains all the notes while it's pressed). This requires a whole lot of mechanical stuff to implement, and it is used only in very few classical works. On _some_ pianos, it is a bass damper pedal, where it sustains all of the notes below a certain point (I want to say below middle C). This is also not something you see used very often, but it's basically a cheaper way to implement the same sort of effect. Could this be a grand vs upright sort of difference? I've had my head inside more uprights than grands, & all I've seen use the middle pedal as a bass damper (why don't they call it an un-damper?). It's actually been a few years since I had my head inside ANY acoustic piano, so my memory's kind of foggy. I seem to recall the point as being about an octave below middle C. |
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(ScotFraser) wrote: [snip] Ten or more years ago I wheedled a Yamaha dealer down to about $18,000 for a very specific C7. That's probably not an available deal anymore. Scott Fraser For the last several years, Yamaha has had a program in which they loan C7s and DC7s to universities and then sell them as used at the end of the year. Stanford participated in the program as did some other schools. I'm not sure if the program is still going, but you might find radio and newspaper ads announcing such sales if there is still such a program in your area. -Jay -- x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x x-------- http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jay/ ----------x |
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In article , says...
I have played a few pianos that had three pedals but the middle pedal was just for show and didn't actually connect up to anything. I (well, my parents) had an old upright like that when I was little.. the piano teacher told me that pedal was for counting the beats. -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | Hi! Faster: jay at jay dot eff-em | Where are we going? http://www.jay.fm | Why am I in this handbasket? |
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In article , says...
I have played a few pianos that had three pedals but the middle pedal was just for show and didn't actually connect up to anything. I (well, my parents) had an old upright like that when I was little.. the piano teacher told me that pedal was for counting the beats. -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | Hi! Faster: jay at jay dot eff-em | Where are we going? http://www.jay.fm | Why am I in this handbasket? |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... Hardly anyone ever uses the middle pedal. On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed (unlike the right pedal, the damper, which sustains all the notes while it's pressed). This requires a whole lot of mechanical stuff to implement, and it is used only in very few classical works. This can be a really cool effect as some notes sustain and others don't. It also means that you can hold down a chord in one range and as you play around those notes, the harmonics make those strings vibrate even if you don't play them. On _some_ pianos, it is a bass damper pedal, where it sustains all of the notes below a certain point (I want to say below middle C). This is also not something you see used very often, but it's basically a cheaper way to implement the same sort of effect. You only see that on upright pianos. Grands usually do it the "correct" way and uprights do it in the lower register. Has to do with the differences in mechanical action between the two kinds of instruments. --Ben -- Benjamin Maas Fifth Circle Audio Los Angeles, CA http://www.fifthcircle.com Please remove "Nospam" from address for replies |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... Hardly anyone ever uses the middle pedal. On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed (unlike the right pedal, the damper, which sustains all the notes while it's pressed). This requires a whole lot of mechanical stuff to implement, and it is used only in very few classical works. This can be a really cool effect as some notes sustain and others don't. It also means that you can hold down a chord in one range and as you play around those notes, the harmonics make those strings vibrate even if you don't play them. On _some_ pianos, it is a bass damper pedal, where it sustains all of the notes below a certain point (I want to say below middle C). This is also not something you see used very often, but it's basically a cheaper way to implement the same sort of effect. You only see that on upright pianos. Grands usually do it the "correct" way and uprights do it in the lower register. Has to do with the differences in mechanical action between the two kinds of instruments. --Ben -- Benjamin Maas Fifth Circle Audio Los Angeles, CA http://www.fifthcircle.com Please remove "Nospam" from address for replies |
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"Dave Martin" wrote in message
.net... Actually, two piano questions. First, does anyone know why there are both two pedal and three pedal Yamaha C7's? I've been told that the 2 pedal versions are gray market pianos imported from Japan, but that doesn't really answer the question of why there are only 2 pedals on the Japanese versions. Or why 3 pedals are better than two, other than the fact that there's 'one more'. My C7 is a grey market from Japan, and it has 2 pedals. If there's a third question, it would have to be, "Where can I get a wonderfully great deal on a wonderfully great piano at least 7 feet long?" Buy a grey market piano from Japan. Try Bob Barnes at the Piano Exchange in St. Petersburg, FL (727) 463-7135 I've bought 2 C-7's from him with great results, for less than half the going rate. Both from 1965. sound fantastic (Patrick Moraz used mine in Orlando for some recording when I lived there). |
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"Dave Martin" wrote in message
.net... Actually, two piano questions. First, does anyone know why there are both two pedal and three pedal Yamaha C7's? I've been told that the 2 pedal versions are gray market pianos imported from Japan, but that doesn't really answer the question of why there are only 2 pedals on the Japanese versions. Or why 3 pedals are better than two, other than the fact that there's 'one more'. My C7 is a grey market from Japan, and it has 2 pedals. If there's a third question, it would have to be, "Where can I get a wonderfully great deal on a wonderfully great piano at least 7 feet long?" Buy a grey market piano from Japan. Try Bob Barnes at the Piano Exchange in St. Petersburg, FL (727) 463-7135 I've bought 2 C-7's from him with great results, for less than half the going rate. Both from 1965. sound fantastic (Patrick Moraz used mine in Orlando for some recording when I lived there). |
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Damn, you're good Scott! g
-- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... Dave Martin wrote: Actually, two piano questions. First, does anyone know why there are both two pedal and three pedal Yamaha C7's? I've been told that the 2 pedal versions are gray market pianos imported from Japan, but that doesn't really answer the question of why there are only 2 pedals on the Japanese versions. Or why 3 pedals are better than two, other than the fact that there's 'one more'. Hardly anyone ever uses the middle pedal. On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed (unlike the right pedal, the damper, which sustains all the notes while it's pressed). This requires a whole lot of mechanical stuff to implement, and it is used only in very few classical works. On _some_ pianos, it is a bass damper pedal, where it sustains all of the notes below a certain point (I want to say below middle C). This is also not something you see used very often, but it's basically a cheaper way to implement the same sort of effect. The majority of pianos out there seem to skip the middle pedal completely and just have two pedals. I have played a few pianos that had three pedals but the middle pedal was just for show and didn't actually connect up to anything. Second, do any of the smart people on this newsgroup know anything abut Yamaha's CS series of grand pianos? I've come across 2 or 3 that seem to be pretty darned good deals, but can't find out any information about them other than the fact that they're 8'2" pianos (putting them between the 7'6" C7 and the 9 foot CFIII). In Hawaii, they were great sounding pianos. Here on the east coast, they don't seem to sound as good. I don't know if that is a humidity thing or just the way people have them set up. But I have heard some of them sound great, and I have also been very impressed at the ability of a good piano tech to get a huge variety of sounds out of any good piano. I am convinced that the piano setup is as important as the quality of the original piano. If there's a third question, it would have to be, "Where can I get a wonderfully great deal on a wonderfully great piano at least 7 feet long?" Find the best piano tech in town and ask him what he knows of for sale right now. He'll know what particular instruments are good and what aren't. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Damn, you're good Scott! g
-- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... Dave Martin wrote: Actually, two piano questions. First, does anyone know why there are both two pedal and three pedal Yamaha C7's? I've been told that the 2 pedal versions are gray market pianos imported from Japan, but that doesn't really answer the question of why there are only 2 pedals on the Japanese versions. Or why 3 pedals are better than two, other than the fact that there's 'one more'. Hardly anyone ever uses the middle pedal. On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed (unlike the right pedal, the damper, which sustains all the notes while it's pressed). This requires a whole lot of mechanical stuff to implement, and it is used only in very few classical works. On _some_ pianos, it is a bass damper pedal, where it sustains all of the notes below a certain point (I want to say below middle C). This is also not something you see used very often, but it's basically a cheaper way to implement the same sort of effect. The majority of pianos out there seem to skip the middle pedal completely and just have two pedals. I have played a few pianos that had three pedals but the middle pedal was just for show and didn't actually connect up to anything. Second, do any of the smart people on this newsgroup know anything abut Yamaha's CS series of grand pianos? I've come across 2 or 3 that seem to be pretty darned good deals, but can't find out any information about them other than the fact that they're 8'2" pianos (putting them between the 7'6" C7 and the 9 foot CFIII). In Hawaii, they were great sounding pianos. Here on the east coast, they don't seem to sound as good. I don't know if that is a humidity thing or just the way people have them set up. But I have heard some of them sound great, and I have also been very impressed at the ability of a good piano tech to get a huge variety of sounds out of any good piano. I am convinced that the piano setup is as important as the quality of the original piano. If there's a third question, it would have to be, "Where can I get a wonderfully great deal on a wonderfully great piano at least 7 feet long?" Find the best piano tech in town and ask him what he knows of for sale right now. He'll know what particular instruments are good and what aren't. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Hardly anyone ever uses the middle pedal. On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed On _some_ pianos, it is a bass damper pedal, where it sustains all of the notes below a certain point (I want to say below middle C). On my piano, the highest note affected by the middle pedal is the D below middle C. If memory serves, this is (perhaps not coincidentally), also the lowest note that uses two strings instead of just one[1]. One other thing you'll notice from looking at my piano, at least, is that two of the pedals are nice shiny brass and the other one is really tarnished. But they're all made out of the same material, so what does that tell you? - Logan [1] And also, again not coincidentally, also the note that goes out of tune the fastest... |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Hardly anyone ever uses the middle pedal. On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed On _some_ pianos, it is a bass damper pedal, where it sustains all of the notes below a certain point (I want to say below middle C). On my piano, the highest note affected by the middle pedal is the D below middle C. If memory serves, this is (perhaps not coincidentally), also the lowest note that uses two strings instead of just one[1]. One other thing you'll notice from looking at my piano, at least, is that two of the pedals are nice shiny brass and the other one is really tarnished. But they're all made out of the same material, so what does that tell you? - Logan [1] And also, again not coincidentally, also the note that goes out of tune the fastest... |
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agent86 wrote:
inside more uprights than grands, & all I've seen use the middle pedal as a bass damper (why don't they call it an un-damper?). It's actually been a Well, the things it moves are called dampers, right? So maybe it's named by what it actuates rather than the effect it achieves. - Logan |
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agent86 wrote:
inside more uprights than grands, & all I've seen use the middle pedal as a bass damper (why don't they call it an un-damper?). It's actually been a Well, the things it moves are called dampers, right? So maybe it's named by what it actuates rather than the effect it achieves. - Logan |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Find the best piano tech in town and ask him what he knows of for sale right now. He'll know what particular instruments are good and what aren't. What Scott said; I'm generally amazed by what my piano man has seen in his travels between visits here. There are lots of excellent pianos out there and a good tech knows which one's to consider. I wanted to offload the chickering with the ampico A mechanism because the damned roll box is right in the way of my skinny knees. But the best players that come here rave about it and we decided to keep it. When I told the tech that he smiled and said, "It's a great piano, Hank". Duh. Maybe I'll have my legs shortened. -- ha |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Find the best piano tech in town and ask him what he knows of for sale right now. He'll know what particular instruments are good and what aren't. What Scott said; I'm generally amazed by what my piano man has seen in his travels between visits here. There are lots of excellent pianos out there and a good tech knows which one's to consider. I wanted to offload the chickering with the ampico A mechanism because the damned roll box is right in the way of my skinny knees. But the best players that come here rave about it and we decided to keep it. When I told the tech that he smiled and said, "It's a great piano, Hank". Duh. Maybe I'll have my legs shortened. -- ha |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Hardly anyone ever uses the middle pedal. I played a piano one time -- forget the manufacturer -- for which the middle pedal raised a cloth curtain between the hammers and the strings. Made for an interesting soft tone. Haven't seen that since. -- Jonathan Roberts * guitar, keyboards, vocals * North River Preservation ---------------------------------------------- To reach me reverse: moc(dot)xobop(at)ggestran |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Hardly anyone ever uses the middle pedal. I played a piano one time -- forget the manufacturer -- for which the middle pedal raised a cloth curtain between the hammers and the strings. Made for an interesting soft tone. Haven't seen that since. -- Jonathan Roberts * guitar, keyboards, vocals * North River Preservation ---------------------------------------------- To reach me reverse: moc(dot)xobop(at)ggestran |
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Jay Kadis wrote
For the last several years, Yamaha has had a program in which they loan C7s and DC7s to universities and then sell them as used at the end of the year. Stanford participated in the program as did some other schools. I'm not sure if the program is still going, but you might find radio and newspaper ads announcing such sales if there is still such a program in your area. -Jay Um. I went to one of these sales several years ago at a conservatory, and the smell of "scam" was thick. They were bringing in truckloads of upright pianos of all sorts and setting them up in the school represented as these "played only by conservatory students" deals. The halls were lined with cheap digital pianos for the folks without much cash. High pressure sales tactics. The whole thing just stank. |
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Jay Kadis wrote
For the last several years, Yamaha has had a program in which they loan C7s and DC7s to universities and then sell them as used at the end of the year. Stanford participated in the program as did some other schools. I'm not sure if the program is still going, but you might find radio and newspaper ads announcing such sales if there is still such a program in your area. -Jay Um. I went to one of these sales several years ago at a conservatory, and the smell of "scam" was thick. They were bringing in truckloads of upright pianos of all sorts and setting them up in the school represented as these "played only by conservatory students" deals. The halls were lined with cheap digital pianos for the folks without much cash. High pressure sales tactics. The whole thing just stank. |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
Damn, you're good Scott! g No, but my piano teacher was really, really good. I was more interested in what was inside the piano than how to play it, though. She had a Bechstein upright with a real sostenuto pedal and it fascinated me because I couldn't figure out what it was for. In the meantime I never got good enough to play Fuer Elise all the way through. I still like pianos, though. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
Damn, you're good Scott! g No, but my piano teacher was really, really good. I was more interested in what was inside the piano than how to play it, though. She had a Bechstein upright with a real sostenuto pedal and it fascinated me because I couldn't figure out what it was for. In the meantime I never got good enough to play Fuer Elise all the way through. I still like pianos, though. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed (unlike the right pedal, the damper, which sustains all the notes while it's pressed). On my piano's all the notes I hold down sustain naturally....so why would I want a pedal to do that? "Imagine if there were no Hypothetical Situations" |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed (unlike the right pedal, the damper, which sustains all the notes while it's pressed). On my piano's all the notes I hold down sustain naturally....so why would I want a pedal to do that? "Imagine if there were no Hypothetical Situations" |
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Nathan West wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote: On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed (unlike the right pedal, the damper, which sustains all the notes while it's pressed). On my piano's all the notes I hold down sustain naturally....so why would I want a pedal to do that? So you don't have to hold them all down so long. Otherwise you'd need something like thirty fingers to play Satie's Gymnopedie because you'd be holding everything down all the time. With this fancy technology, you only need thirty fingers for the Rachmaninoff second. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Nathan West wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote: On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed (unlike the right pedal, the damper, which sustains all the notes while it's pressed). On my piano's all the notes I hold down sustain naturally....so why would I want a pedal to do that? So you don't have to hold them all down so long. Otherwise you'd need something like thirty fingers to play Satie's Gymnopedie because you'd be holding everything down all the time. With this fancy technology, you only need thirty fingers for the Rachmaninoff second. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"ScotFraser" wrote in message ... Or why 3 pedals are better than two, other than the fact that there's 'one more'. The middle pedal is "sostenuto" a rarely understood & rarely used effect whereby only those notes being held down when the pedal is engaged are sustained. Most players (& composers for that matter) don't really know how to make much use of this pedal. It's a great way to get a drone effect. Play a low octave, and hold down the sostenuto pedal. You can now play normally and occasionally repeat the drone octave for a continuous sound. Norm Strong |
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"ScotFraser" wrote in message ... Or why 3 pedals are better than two, other than the fact that there's 'one more'. The middle pedal is "sostenuto" a rarely understood & rarely used effect whereby only those notes being held down when the pedal is engaged are sustained. Most players (& composers for that matter) don't really know how to make much use of this pedal. It's a great way to get a drone effect. Play a low octave, and hold down the sostenuto pedal. You can now play normally and occasionally repeat the drone octave for a continuous sound. Norm Strong |
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Nathan West wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote: On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed (unlike the right pedal, the damper, which sustains all the notes while it's pressed). On my piano's all the notes I hold down sustain naturally....so why would I want a pedal to do that? So that those notes played will sustain when you move your fingers to different keys, yet _all_ the strings won't be singing. -- ha |
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Nathan West wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote: On _most_ pianos with one, the middle pedal is a sostenuto, and it sustains only the notes that are held down when the pedal is pressed (unlike the right pedal, the damper, which sustains all the notes while it's pressed). On my piano's all the notes I hold down sustain naturally....so why would I want a pedal to do that? So that those notes played will sustain when you move your fingers to different keys, yet _all_ the strings won't be singing. -- ha |
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For the last several years, Yamaha has had a program in which they loan
C7s and DC7s to universities and then sell them as used at the end of the year. Stanford participated in the program as did some other schools. I'm not sure if the program is still going, but you might find radio and newspaper ads announcing such sales if there is still such a program in your area. I've attended several of such college piano sales (not limited to Yamahas) & generally found they were selling off a lot of small instruments from lesser makers, lots of mediocre Kawais, etc, so be sure to get there early to see if any real instruments are still available. Scott Fraser |
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