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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
Duuhh! I was clipping the main stereo output buss, so was wondering why Ozone 5 Maximizer wasn't doing too much! Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. I ended up Drop-boxing them the fixed tracks, so not a great loss. Live and learn.....and PAY ATTENTION!! |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probablyclipping badly already!!!
On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 1:09:59 AM UTC-5, Paul wrote:
Duuhh! I was clipping the main stereo output buss, so was wondering why Ozone 5 Maximizer wasn't doing too much! Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. I ended up Drop-boxing them the fixed tracks, so not a great loss. Live and learn.....and PAY ATTENTION!! __________ Levels, Levels, LEVELS! (A lost art in this "Use Your Ears!" century) |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clipping badly already!!!
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Paul wrote: Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. You managed to exceed 0dBFS? ;-) -- *Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
On 13/01/2015 3:10 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Paul wrote: Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. You managed to exceed 0dBFS? ;-) Since "store bought CD's" vary in both peak and average levels by up to 20dB depending on genre, label, era, mastering engineer etc. the whole concept above is a joke, not just the reply. Surely the easiest way to determine clipping these days is to simply look at the waveform in your DAW? Flat tops are a definite give away! Trevor. |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
On 13/01/2015 4:58 p.m., Trevor wrote:
On 13/01/2015 3:10 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Paul wrote: Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. You managed to exceed 0dBFS? ;-) Since "store bought CD's" vary in both peak and average levels by up to 20dB depending on genre, label, era, mastering engineer etc. the whole concept above is a joke, not just the reply. Surely the easiest way to determine clipping these days is to simply look at the waveform in your DAW? Flat tops are a definite give away! Trevor. Zoom out and see how 'solid' the timeline 'enve Can be hugely compressed with no flat-tops at all. geoff |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
On 13/01/2015 4:18 PM, geoff wrote:
On 13/01/2015 4:58 p.m., Trevor wrote: On 13/01/2015 3:10 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Paul wrote: Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. You managed to exceed 0dBFS? ;-) Since "store bought CD's" vary in both peak and average levels by up to 20dB depending on genre, label, era, mastering engineer etc. the whole concept above is a joke, not just the reply. Surely the easiest way to determine clipping these days is to simply look at the waveform in your DAW? Flat tops are a definite give away! Zoom out and see how 'solid' the timeline 'enve Can be hugely compressed with no flat-tops at all. Well duh! Did you actually read what he wrote about "clipping badly" before replying?? Trevor. |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
On 13/01/2015 7:59 p.m., Trevor wrote:
On 13/01/2015 4:18 PM, geoff wrote: On 13/01/2015 4:58 p.m., Trevor wrote: On 13/01/2015 3:10 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Paul wrote: Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. You managed to exceed 0dBFS? ;-) Since "store bought CD's" vary in both peak and average levels by up to 20dB depending on genre, label, era, mastering engineer etc. the whole concept above is a joke, not just the reply. Surely the easiest way to determine clipping these days is to simply look at the waveform in your DAW? Flat tops are a definite give away! Zoom out and see how 'solid' the timeline 'enve Can be hugely compressed with no flat-tops at all. Well duh! Did you actually read what he wrote about "clipping badly" before replying?? Trevor. No, came in after that, it seems. geoff |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probablyclipping badly already!!!
On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 10:59:08 PM UTC-5, Trevor wrote:
On 13/01/2015 3:10 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Paul wrote: Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. You managed to exceed 0dBFS? ;-) Since "store bought CD's" vary in both peak and average levels by up to 20dB depending on genre, label, era, mastering engineer etc. the whole concept above is a joke, not just the reply. Surely the easiest way to determine clipping these days is to simply look at the waveform in your DAW? Flat tops are a definite give away! Trevor. Trevor, I assume you're from England? Your name hints that. I like Trevor at Ace (UK). Very nice company. Even replaced an Ace CD I bought secondhand due to CD rot!! Shame there are no great reissue labels who'd do the same in the US!!! Jack |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
On 31/01/2015 5:08 AM, JackA wrote:
Trevor, I assume you're from England? Your name hints that. Nope, Australia. There are lots of Trevor's in all countries where English people migrated to, including the USA. I like Trevor at Ace (UK). Very nice company. Even replaced an Ace CD I bought secondhand due to CD rot!! Shame there are no great reissue labels who'd do the same in the US!!! Unfortunately most record companies have a long term habit of not standing behind their product. Even more so in the days of vinyl. There was a big import market here because you knew the local pressings were gonna be crap :-( Trevor. |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probablyclipping badly already!!!
On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 2:12:44 AM UTC-5, Trevor wrote:
On 31/01/2015 5:08 AM, JackA wrote: Trevor, I assume you're from England? Your name hints that. Nope, Australia. There are lots of Trevor's in all countries where English people migrated to, including the USA. I like Trevor at Ace (UK). Very nice company. Even replaced an Ace CD I bought secondhand due to CD rot!! Shame there are no great reissue labels who'd do the same in the US!!! Unfortunately most record companies have a long term habit of not standing behind their product. Even more so in the days of vinyl. There was a big import market here because you knew the local pressings were gonna be crap :-( Trevor. Ace (UK) Records, nothing but beautiful people!! His name, too, is Trevor at Ace. Since he knew I loved stereo mixes, I told him I wished a certain (The) Olympics (Soul group) song, a regional Philadelphia hit, would surface in stereo. I soon had adequate MP3 of (4) Takes! It sounded so much better, no longer sounding like it was mastered at the bottom of a trashcan. Assume they never publishes it because it had lopsided stereo. You know, a staged recording, lead singer displaced from the music. An great amount of studio talk was included, but I soon realized, listening to the various elevated levels of tape hiss, it was accumulated studio talk! Great to hear the lead singer (RIP) just laugh! I enjoyed going to wherever I could find cheap CDs. I'd find many import CDs that didn't sell abroad. But, I found a fair amount of stereo mixes I never heard before!! Ran into another Australia person, via the 'net. I was surprised he knew of The Banana Splits (60's TV show)!! If you're ever looking for something (songs, CDs, etc.), US Top 40, 50's and above, feel free to ask. I have helped some local radio stations because I got tired of hearing poor mastering! Jack |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
On 1/12/2015 9:10 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Paul wrote: Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. You managed to exceed 0dBFS? ;-) How the Hell can anyone do THAT? :/ What you can do, is lower the peak-to-average ratio, so that the overall average loudness level is much higher than normal. At any rate, I pulled back my levels, so the main stereo buss was not clipping (except for maybe one or two points in the song), and properly used Ozone 5's Maximizer, with multiband compression, and a little EQing and overall reverb, and the result was much better. |
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